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Title: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 01, 2014, 08:41:01 pm
Disclaimer: Sorry for my english I might have fucked up here and there...  :mrgreen:

Hello and welcome to this thread!

I have now been around here for a little while, and I think that our community consists of fairly concious gamers that know what is good and what isn't in games. So I wondered what game mechanics would attract you to a game.

So, my request for you guys is to share the ideas you have for a game that you would buy, and play as much as you have played Mount & Blade.

With the upcoming Donkey Crew game I think it'd be relevant and interesting to brainstorm with TOP SECRET in your mind, and to be more precise the [EPIC]gekados side of the game.

What is it that you would like to see? How would you regulate PvP? Or how do you picture the Hunting & Gathering mechanics? Would you like something akin to an auction house? Or should trade only go player to player? How would travelling work? Would your game include Fast-Travel? Or would it not.

I think you guys could bring up very interesting idea's about how and in what way things could work.

A request:
please spoiler your idea's with titles that state the category it belongs to, for example: trade, PvP, Questing, PvE or Social. Ofcourse there are far more options but that is somewhat obvious.


I'll start!

Trading

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I think alot of you guys are bloody excited about TOP SECRET, and have fantasized aswell about how you hope it will look like in the end.

Maybe we can even conjure some good ideas with which the Donkey Crew can do something with!
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 01, 2014, 08:43:29 pm
Reserved, I will archive and categorize all your ideas because I have nothing to do with my life!
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Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Thryn on July 01, 2014, 08:46:30 pm
I'd buy Mount & MMO

like a good PW



that isn't shitty

like pw is

thx
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 01, 2014, 08:48:20 pm
Naturally that is what I want too, but I made this thread to discuss individual mechanics, not the overall idea.

(Not hating btw :D)
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 01, 2014, 11:52:02 pm
travelling, world infrastructure, PvP, merchanting

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Trade caravans

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Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Berserkadin on July 02, 2014, 12:00:06 am
For trading, you could always use shops. Would also be interesting with fairs, auctions and such, like events where players can meet up and trade in a more accesible way. This way players will have to interact to trade, and it's even better if prices of goods will flaculate due to supply & demand (bartering is !FUN!).
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 02, 2014, 12:08:24 am
For trading, you could always use shops. Would also be interesting with fairs, auctions and such, like events where players can meet up and trade in a more accesible way. This way players will have to interact to trade, and it's even better if prices of goods will flaculate due to supply & demand (bartering is !FUN!).

I definetly want player to player trading aswell, but I also think this is a way to make the world very alive and immersive. Naturally not everything will be available in shops just the basic raw materials everyone needs. What is created out of them will not be in shops, besides a basic sword and board, or some pants and boots.

(Check my latest post, i ninja edited it!  :oops:)
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Grumbs on July 02, 2014, 12:09:37 am
I just want a spiritual successor to Ultima Online before they split the realms in two so you couldn't attack people. That pretty much nailed MMO design for me. Risk vs reward, freedom, full loot, thievery, sandbox housing + player owned shops, proper alignment system, dynamic events just by wandering around (well you stumbled upon people and would decide how to engage with them), traps you could set etc. Looking back I guess the combat wasn't great, but it did a lot of stuff right and hasn't been successfully emulated since

Darkfall and Mortal Online come closest, but each have their own problems. DF isn't really much of a sandbox and Mortal I don't think ever had a good engine, but I didn't play past the beginning
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 02, 2014, 12:14:19 am
I just want a spiritual successor to Ultima Online before they split the realms in two so you couldn't attack people. That pretty much nailed MMO design for me. Risk vs reward, freedom, full loot, thievery, sandbox housing + player owned shops, proper alignment system, dynamic events just by wandering around (well you stumbled upon people and would decide how to engage with them), traps you could set etc. Looking back I guess the combat wasn't great, but it did a lot of stuff right and hasn't been successfully emulated since

Darkfall and Mortal Online come closest, but each have their own problems. DF isn't really much of a sandbox and Mortal I don't think ever had a good engine, but I didn't play past the beginning

I have heard about ultima, but neveer personally played it, neither the other two.. So i'm kind of blind here, so to speak.
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Thryn on July 02, 2014, 12:31:31 am
Mortal = great idea, poor execution


Lord British is coming out with a new mmo btw, https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 02, 2014, 12:34:34 am
Mortal = great idea, poor execution


Lord British is coming out with a new mmo btw, https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/

Looks pretty cool! Ill keep my eye on this one
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Grumbs on July 02, 2014, 12:36:29 am
Yeah I feel like Richard Garriott is kind of past it when it comes to games. I don't really think hes got the interest in making something that builds on the strengths of UO. I've seen some interviews a while ago and I just didn't get much of a positive impression. Hes more into WoW style game design I think now
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 02, 2014, 12:38:48 am
Besides texture/art it doesnt look very wow-ish to me.
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Thryn on July 02, 2014, 12:44:53 am
i just really love his take on player housing
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 02, 2014, 01:09:55 am
Do you guys also like elaborate crafting systems?
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Berserkadin on July 02, 2014, 03:16:04 am
I definetly want player to player trading aswell, but I also think this is a way to make the world very alive and immersive. Naturally not everything will be available in shops just the basic raw materials everyone needs. What is created out of them will not be in shops, besides a basic sword and board, or some pants and boots.

(Check my latest post, i ninja edited it!  :oops:)
Well, I think player owned shops could be an idea, altough with limited space, so you have to decide what kind of goods to sell. You would also probably need some NPC (or hire bored players who to try some store-simulation? :lol:) to man the shop, wich shouldn't be free.
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 02, 2014, 03:19:23 am
Mount and blade combat

????


GOTY, 10/10 ign
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 02, 2014, 03:40:51 am
Mount and blade combat

????


GOTY, 10/10 ign

Well, I mentioned to keep MBG in mind, so the m&b combat was kinda obvious... Or atleast I thought.

Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Taser on July 02, 2014, 03:45:43 am
Basically what UO was. I never played it but the stories of that game.. are awesome.

Open pvp, player housing (that you designed), ability for different playstyles, huge ability to shape the world...

I mean I never played. It was before my time (and during but I never knew about it) but if UO was available now in a decent 3D way... my god it'd be glorious.

brb able to set up chests inside chests that have traps to kill people as they open up individual chests.
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 02, 2014, 03:48:30 am
How much players did UO have at its peak? And how many players per server?

Peaked at 250k in '03. Hmm
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Clockworkkiller on July 02, 2014, 05:14:38 am
I want hot e-sex RP with fully fleshed animations and a wide variation of positions and species to choose from
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Thryn on July 02, 2014, 05:21:03 am
I want hot e-sex RP with fully fleshed animations and a wide variation of positions and species to choose from

i saw that you were the last post and thought "god its probably sex"
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Gatsby on July 04, 2014, 09:48:42 am
I loved shadowbane as mmo, for the cities builded by guilds, the unique shops in those cities, the open pvp BUT organized sieges (at mines or cities) and the epic runes respawn sistem. Something like that but with a M&M combat style would be awsome for me. At the moment i'm lookin for Life is Feudal, but that's an indie game so i have poor expectations, i also played mortal but that's really bad realized.
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Vibe on July 04, 2014, 10:04:14 am
I once wrote these feature ideas down for a non fantasy medieval mmorpg (for some reason; way before M:BG was announced):

- fully realistic fictional medieval world (no fantasy items, beasts, just land names different)
- Mount & Blade -ish combat system
- skill based leveling (skill increased by using appropriate actions)
- combat skills like one handed swords, two handed swords, shield
- other skills like crafting, farming, fishing, tailoring, resource gathering and many more
- skill caps and limitations to prevent grind to win
- Player control of villages, castles, lands... (setting tax, amount of guards, …)
- Players earning titles by raising skills (good farming skill = “Farmer” Joe)
- Royal titles such as Count, Duke, King (ala CK2)
- Royal titles earned by earning prestige (battles, efficiency of owned land, buy with gold)
- Player title hierarchical structure, Counts paying taxes to Dukes, etc (just like CK2)
- Player run economy
- Every item can/must be crafted
- Localized trade, no global shops/auction houses, transporting goods by yourself (with cart, ..)
- Resources depending on counties and land, each land would only have certain resources which will encourage trading
- Open PK PvP, killing without reason = murder = consequences = guards alert at villages
- Full loot on death
- Outlaw system, outlaw camps/villages, jail system for those caught (pay or mine in a mine, hand in ore to get out)
- Faction warfare over kingdoms/lands, Kings declaring war costs prestige etc., killing in wars != murder, wars/sieges scheduled
- Land claiming, house building, sandbox features …
- Tournaments for earning prestige
- Buildable / customized castles / villages (you'd have to build and place blacksmith, walls, towers, etc)
- Kings, Duke, … lose throne by losing prestige every day of control, then they can be challenged (in a tournament, by guild war, ..) for the title
- Item quality
- You can sell to NPC villagers, but it is discouraged (less money and it takes time) - selling 100 wood for example in your shop would take 10 hours, 10 wood per hour. Selling to players would give you more gold and faster time.
- Possible permadeath and character retirement, you then play as a son with about the same skill/attribute stats
- Faction switching with severe penalties
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 05, 2014, 11:04:04 am
I once wrote these feature ideas down for a non fantasy medieval mmorpg (for some reason; way before M:BG was announced):
[/spoiler]
- fully realistic fictional medieval world (no fantasy items, beasts, just land names different)
- Mount & Blade -ish combat system
- skill based leveling (skill increased by using appropriate actions)
- combat skills like one handed swords, two handed swords, shield
- other skills like crafting, farming, fishing, tailoring, resource gathering and many more
- skill caps and limitations to prevent grind to win
- Player control of villages, castles, lands... (setting tax, amount of guards, …)
- Players earning titles by raising skills (good farming skill = “Farmer” Joe)
- Royal titles such as Count, Duke, King (ala CK2)
- Royal titles earned by earning prestige (battles, efficiency of owned land, buy with gold)
- Player title hierarchical structure, Counts paying taxes to Dukes, etc (just like CK2)
- Player run economy
- Every item can/must be crafted
- Localized trade, no global shops/auction houses, transporting goods by yourself (with cart, ..)
- Resources depending on counties and land, each land would only have certain resources which will encourage trading
- Open PK PvP, killing without reason = murder = consequences = guards alert at villages
- Full loot on death
- Outlaw system, outlaw camps/villages, jail system for those caught (pay or mine in a mine, hand in ore to get out)
- Faction warfare over kingdoms/lands, Kings declaring war costs prestige etc., killing in wars != murder, wars/sieges scheduled
- Land claiming, house building, sandbox features …
- Tournaments for earning prestige
- Buildable / customized castles / villages (you'd have to build and place blacksmith, walls, towers, etc)
- Kings, Duke, … lose throne by losing prestige every day of control, then they can be challenged (in a tournament, by guild war, ..) for the title
- Item quality
- You can sell to NPC villagers, but it is discouraged (less money and it takes time) - selling 100 wood for example in your shop would take 10 hours, 10 wood per hour. Selling to players would give you more gold and faster time.
- Possible permadeath and character retirement, you then play as a son with about the same skill/attribute stats
- Faction switching with severe penalties
[/spoiler]


I am cvurrtently away but imma type a Morre in depth rrepply when i get home. But i think we arre both kind of in the same. Area when it comes to the idea..

Fucvk this- ill wait till i get home, this thing vkep registerting keystrrokes double..  :mad:


Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 05, 2014, 11:13:26 am
Like the idea of optional perma-death that provides character benefits  :twisted:

Toggling 'perma-death' provides a large bonus to stats, and to exp gain, and if a character achieves a unique title like a King or a powerful noble they cannot untoggle this mode. If they die they die, and the position must be filled by another player.

Perma-death players killed by perma-death players have a high chance to die (but not 100%) if beaten.

Perma-death killed by a non-perma-death regular player has a medium-low chance to die.

Non-perma-death characters, as the name implies, cannot be killed permanently - but cannot hold unique positions or gain the benefits unless they toggle this.

I actually went a little differrent with this, albeit the idea is the same, a hardcore opption that increases yourr XP-(or how the rrewwarrd system works) but you will have to think of food, drinking, etc.

The idea is to reward the hardcore aspect, id even go as far as to implement a ffatique option that afffects you affter walking long distances, with food decreasing the detorriation seed, resting slightly rrestoring it, a combination of both resulting in an increases efffect. Etc.

Also, ideally id like to see rtealistic bacckpacks, no hundreds off item you can storte in them, no dozens loafs of bread etc. With karts, hosre & wagon forr rrent which you can use ffotr resourrce gathering
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 05, 2014, 05:40:21 pm

- Player run economy
- Every item can/must be crafted
- Localized trade, no global shops/auction houses, transporting goods by yourself (with cart, ..)
- Resources depending on counties and land, each land would only have certain resources which will encourage trading
- Open PK PvP, killing without reason = murder = consequences = guards alert at villages
- Full loot on death
- Outlaw system, outlaw camps/villages, jail system for those caught (pay or mine in a mine, hand in ore to get out)

You should read my text about player supply and demand, and how AI could work with it.

- The players will be the sole generators of trade/craft goods.

This is imo a fairly big deal, as I mentioned in my Trade Caravan post this simple thing holds alot of options.

Each town's AI could produce transport quests for the players. Keeping in mind geological differences in all the area's which results in Good 1 being abundent here but in shortage elsewhere.

Just this simple supply/demand thing results in towns having to communicate with eachother, the AI of town 1 tells the AI of town 2 that trading good 1 is in shortage, whilst town 2 got plenty of it.

Voila, a generated transport quest that takes goods from Town 2 to town 1. Its more or less a system that keeps trying to keep the balance even among towns.

Now, an instance might occur that a good is in shortage in a town, but very abundant in another town. The incentive should be there for players to pick up that quest and start delivering. So I was thinking of a scaled reward system, if you transport a good to a town where they need that good badly you will be rewarded far more then if you transport it to a town which has plent of it.

Football match is almost starting, ill continue tomorrow.
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Havoco on July 05, 2014, 05:50:12 pm
World of StarCraft. I'm sry but if they were able to make flying characters meld into an mmo... I'm sold. I'd play it for st least 2 weeks
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: stukii on July 08, 2014, 08:18:45 pm
Hey I don't wanna derail stuff but if anyone has an idea for a good 2D (topdown) fighting system I would love to read it
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 08, 2014, 08:27:41 pm
Hey I don't wanna derail stuff but if anyone has an idea for a good 2D (topdown) fighting system I would love to read it

Turn based or live action?
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: stukii on July 08, 2014, 11:20:44 pm
Live! :D
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on July 08, 2014, 11:32:37 pm
Real time*

WASD movement, 8 ways/orientations.
Press a key to attack.
On key press:
Attack "charges" for a certain amount of game frames/turns.
On the attack release, a ray is cast from the origin of the unit, a given distance in the direction the unit is facing.
The attack lasts for a given amount of game frames.
The attack ends, and a cooldown is applied for a certain amount of game frames.
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 09, 2014, 12:18:49 am
Top down as in GTA 2 style?
Title: Re: The [MMO] RPG Brainstorm Thread
Post by: Kirman on July 10, 2014, 08:04:02 pm
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