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Title: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 03:47:54 am
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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tojo on June 19, 2014, 03:51:52 am
YES I GET IT, A HORSE IS NEITHER A MONkEY OR A CHICKEN!
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 04:16:45 am
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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Sari on June 19, 2014, 04:22:34 am
wat

speak english plz
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2014, 04:37:12 am
I believe the Chinese players like cavalry formations moving together in charge or flanking, not just single super maneuverable horseman/cav taking over the field. If you promote less use of maneuverability for cavalry, cavalry will be great for a charging formation.

Also, the Japanese did use Yumi on horseback
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 04:57:45 am
I believe the Chinese players like cavalry formations moving together in charge or flanking, not just single super maneuverable horseman/cav taking over the field. If you promote less use of maneuverability for cavalry, cavalry will be great for a charging formation.

Also, the Japanese did use Yumi on horseback

日本弓在马背上的使用是极少数的! 日本根本不是弓骑民族。 现在在CRPG里却变成最强弓骑弓 为什么? 你们脑子哪里搭错了?

Japanese bow on horseback using a handful of
Japan is not a nation bow riding
Now become the strongest bowcavalry bowWhy CRPG actually ride?
Your heads a problem?
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 19, 2014, 05:05:00 am
I believe the Chinese players like cavalry formations moving together in charge or flanking, not just single super maneuverable horseman/cav taking over the field. If you promote less use of maneuverability for cavalry, cavalry will be great for a charging formation.

Also, the Japanese did use Yumi on horseback

That was for archery competitions/ceremony type things. Horseback archery was not widely used in Japan during actual battles.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 05:06:06 am
That was for archery competitions/ceremony type things. Horseback archery was not widely used in Japan.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY GOOD!!!!
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2014, 05:09:25 am
But there is nothing wrong with adding more thing from other cultures.  People can also use the Yumi as a foot archer, which was actually what you are saying also. Or you are saying it should be changed to 2 slots to promote Yumi foot archers.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 05:11:26 am
But there is nothing wrong with adding more thing from other cultures.  People can also use the Yumi as a foot archer, which was actually what you are saying also. Or you are saying it should be changed to 2 slots to promote Yumi foot archers.

Horseback archery : YUMI > TATAR?????   

  WTF?????????????


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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 19, 2014, 05:12:24 am
Your heads a problem?

I thought I was rather good looking.....   :cry:

Also is Shanghai_Brave, like, a sequel to this or something?
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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2014, 05:14:08 am
Horseback archery : YUMI > TATAR?????      WTF?????????????

The Yumi is a bigger bow, and is better than the long bow in real life (according to a video in another thread i posted) than a tartar, and it naturally should release more power into the arrow?
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 19, 2014, 05:14:19 am
Yumi looks like a Japanese longbow used by infantry. These are photographs of actual archers and samurai from the 1800s. Some of them don't include bows but damn are they nice pictures.

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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: San on June 19, 2014, 05:16:33 am
So there should be some horses with low maneuver, but very high charge. I see.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 05:21:45 am
YUMI  IS BIGBOW?  OK!    →   2SLOTS~~~ OK?????

YUMI  IS NOT  Horseback archery    Do you understand?
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2014, 05:24:37 am
YUMI  IS BIGBOW?  OK!    →   2SLOTS~~~ OK?????

I understand you want to change Yumi 1>2 slots so there is Yumi foot archers, but since it "can" be used on horseback, not sure if the admins will change that.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 05:26:10 am
I understand you want to change Yumi 1>2 slots so there is Yumi foot archers, but since it "can" be used on horseback, not sure if the admins will change that.

admins do not understand the game do not know the true
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2014, 05:30:02 am
I don't think cRPG was historically "accurate" to begin with, but I think suggestions are good ideas for the developers :D
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 06:05:22 am
I don't think cRPG was historically "accurate" to begin with, but I think suggestions are good ideas for the developers :D
Can you help me a NEW message on things THE YUMI ?
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Chosen1 on June 19, 2014, 06:25:02 am
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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: no_rules_just_play on June 19, 2014, 08:08:55 am
So there should be some horses with low maneuver, but very high charge. I see.

I think that is actually the most awesome and genius solution for heavy cav. It would make playing it alone nearly useless, but when you are with a few other heavy cavalry they will be absolutely instoppable, which is historically correct.


Holy shit, I love this idea. Nobody liked the stupid backstabbing cav bs anyway lol.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Smoothrich on June 19, 2014, 08:14:10 am
unstoppable except for level 4 peasants with pitchforks and up stopping then 1 shotting any rank of horse
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: no_rules_just_play on June 19, 2014, 08:21:14 am
You can always make the armour so high it's pretty much impossible to stop or kill the horse, idk it's probably hard to do but I think it would be great.


It's only because we allowed peasants to stop horses with pitchfork that playing in formation got fucking useless, even pikers get abandoned because even people that use halfswording can fuck up cav if they are being charged.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Jeraz on June 19, 2014, 08:26:11 am
YUMI  IS BIGBOW?  OK!    →   2SLOTS~~~ OK?????

YUMI  IS NOT  Horseback archery    Do you understand?

Actually it is debated:

As you can see the "handgrip" of the yumi bow is not centered in the middle but its lower, Some historians debate that the reason for that is that you can lift it easyer over the side of the horse (Switch from aiming left to right and vice versa). Because if it was centered it would be (almost) to long on the bottom.

Edit:
Wiki:

"The yumi is asymmetric; According to the All Nippon Kyudo Federation, the grip (nigiri) has to be positioned at about two thirds of the distance from the upper tip.

The upper and lower curves also differ. Several hypotheses have been offered for this asymmetric shape. Some believe it was designed for use on a horse, where the yumi could be moved from one side of the horse to the other with ease. However, the grip position had emerged before horseback archery became widespread in Japan.

Others claim that asymmetry was needed to enable shooting from a kneeling position. Yet another explanation is the characteristics of the wood from a time before laminating techniques. In case the bow is made from a single piece of wood, its modulus of elasticity is different between the part taken from the treetop side and the other side. A lower grip balances it.

The hand holding the yumi may also experience less vibration due to the grip being on a vibration node of the bow. A perfectly uniform pole has nodes at 1/4 and 3/4 of the way from the ends, or 1/2 if held taut at the ends – these positions will change significantly with shape and consistency of the bow material."
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 08:28:48 am
I think that is actually the most awesome and genius solution for heavy cav. It would make playing it alone nearly useless, but when you are with a few other heavy cavalry they will be absolutely instoppable, which is historically correct.


Holy shit, I love this idea. Nobody liked the stupid backstabbing cav bs anyway lol.

I'm not smart, But I was thinking correctly
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Dionysus on June 19, 2014, 08:57:07 am
I think that is actually the most awesome and genius solution for heavy cav. It would make playing it alone nearly useless, but when you are with a few other heavy cavalry they will be absolutely instoppable, which is historically correct.


Holy shit, I love this idea. Nobody liked the stupid backstabbing cav bs anyway lol.

Yes, add mechanics. Don't streamline builds. This is what makes cRPG unique.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Smoothrich on June 19, 2014, 09:14:54 am
cRPG isn't a game based on formations and never will be. Hell the concept of "Warband" is small skirmishes to begin with. You will never, ever see "formations" of heavy cav succeed in this game no matter what stats you throw into it, and if in the process you fuck up horse's ability to maneuver you will just ruin the class. No one can even afford light cav in current Strategus, let alone Elite Wedge Formation HEavy Cavalry..
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: no_rules_just_play on June 19, 2014, 09:18:54 am
Well, warband might not be made for big formations but the changes brought in to the game certainly make it worse.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Dionysus on June 19, 2014, 09:26:37 am
lolwut

Shield bonus for shield walls don't count? Add a charge bonus for adjacent cavalry.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: vipere on June 19, 2014, 09:37:50 am
the group of cavs getting bonus for charging together is actually a good idea, i would love to see it in game.

Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Kafein on June 19, 2014, 10:20:58 am
I understand what you mean, shangai brave, but you are wrong, for at least two reasons.

First, most maps do not fit a charging group of cav. We get 2 or 3 open plains out of the 50 villages and cities and then those "open plains" are actually mountains.
Second, Warband is mostly a skirmish game in which everyone is independent and tries to survive independently. We don't have enough players to simulate charges like in a Total War game for example.

For a cavalry charge to be effective you need to be able to hit your target. Horses in this game already lack maneuver which forces them to backstab unaware enemies, because unaware enemies don't dodge. Decreasing maneuver further will mean even more backstabbing and even less charging.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 10:24:46 am
I understand what you mean, shangai brave, but you are wrong, for at least two reasons.

First, most maps do not fit a charging group of cav. We get 2 or 3 open plains out of the 50 villages and cities and then those "open plains" are actually mountains.
Second, Warband is mostly a skirmish game in which everyone is independent and tries to survive independently. We don't have enough players to simulate charges like in a Total War game for example.

For a cavalry charge to be effective you need to be able to hit your target. Horses in this game already lack maneuver which forces them to backstab unaware enemies, because unaware enemies don't dodge. Decreasing maneuver further will mean even more backstabbing and even less charging.

STRIKE  BEST UP!!  U KNOW?
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 10:34:18 am
If YUMI is Cavalry, then any bow can be a

如果YUMI是弓骑兵的话  任何弓都可以是了
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 10:35:06 am
If YUMI is Cavalry, then All bow can be Cavalry

如果YUMI是弓骑兵的话  任何弓都可以是了
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 10:35:31 am
If YUMI is Cavalry, then All bow can be Cavalry

如果YUMI是弓骑兵的话  任何弓都可以是了
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 10:35:58 am
If YUMI is Cavalry, then All bow can be Cavalry

如果YUMI是弓骑兵的话  任何弓都可以是了
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Kafein on June 19, 2014, 10:36:06 am
STRIKE  BEST UP!!  U KNOW?

Yes but strike does not matter if you don't hit anything.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on June 19, 2014, 12:26:44 pm
I reckon 2 slot usable from horseback would suit balance, but not satisfy realism demands raised here.

On the maneuverability of horses (which should be a separate thread) the promotion of formations would be a good feature for the heavy armoured horses, with perhaps a speed bonus akin to the shield bonus for adjacent cavalry players.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 01:02:41 pm
I reckon 2 slot usable from horseback would suit balance, but not satisfy realism demands raised here.

On the maneuverability of horses (which should be a separate thread) the promotion of formations would be a good feature for the heavy armoured horses, with perhaps a speed bonus akin to the shield bonus for adjacent cavalry players.

YUMI is not horseback BOW + YUMI is bigbow = SO,MUST 2 SLOT OR  NO horseback BOW
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Torben on June 19, 2014, 01:11:18 pm
who le fuck cares
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: phnxhdsn on June 19, 2014, 01:19:59 pm
the group of cavs getting bonus for charging together is actually a good idea, i would love to see it in game.

It would work if your horse didn't just come to a complete halt as soon as it touches something like a daisy, meaning you have to start accelerating again if it was more lenient and realistic it would be awesome, I wish horses fell over and jumped around instead of just stopping and rearing, hope they add this in battlegrounds.

Riding horses in this game feels and handles like driving cars in dayZ..
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 01:21:28 pm
调整后的骑兵是作战方式的改变,
不是变弱

Adjusted cavalry battle is to change the way,
Not weaken

DO You understand ?????
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 01:23:15 pm
调整后的骑兵是作战方式的改变,
不是变弱

Adjusted cavalry battle is to change the way,
Not weaken

Horse is a horse
Horse is not a monkey!
NoT is it chicken
DO You understand ?????
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 19, 2014, 01:23:36 pm
调整后的骑兵是作战方式的改变,
不是变弱

Adjusted cavalry battle is to change the way,
Not weaken

Horse is a horse
Horse is not a monkey!
NoT is it chicken
DO You understand ?????
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: LordBerenger on June 19, 2014, 01:31:35 pm
Buff horses or China will wrekk u stupid Europeans and Russians. China stronk. China is what Hítler was scared of when he mentioned the future powers lies in the East.

CHINA 2014! LAOWAIS AND GWAILOS GET REKKED!
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: EyeBeat on June 19, 2014, 02:34:44 pm
So these Chinese people are getting mad at CRPG developers because it is not exactly historically accurate?

Get with the times....  It has never been accurate.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tojo on June 19, 2014, 07:00:01 pm
Dear Mr. Shanghai Brave,

I regret to inform you that these changes you suggested will most likely not be implemented. The addition of Monkeys and Chickens as mounts for cavalry is too far fetched and breaks the immersion. I can assure you that playing a yumi welding chicken riding archer would be fun, but only Africa had chickens large enough to ride. In other words, yes... Ostrich cavalry.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: //saxon on June 19, 2014, 08:29:24 pm
I believe the Chinese players like cavalry formations moving together in charge or flanking, not just single super maneuverable horseman/cav taking over the field. If you promote less use of maneuverability for cavalry, cavalry will be great for a charging formation.

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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2014, 10:54:09 pm
Did you honestly just counter photos from the 1800s showing the size and use of the yumi bow... with a video from Shogun Total War to prove that the Yumi is meant for horse archers also?

...only on Crpg forums...

No I'm only restating how Shanghai Brave says Yumi should be for foot infantry. You misunderstood my message.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 19, 2014, 11:53:36 pm
Can you help me a NEW message on things THE YUMI ?

Well, I think the developers/admins come on forums to look at threads from time to time. I don't have to power to change anything with the developers or admins.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Bronto on June 20, 2014, 12:13:35 am
I really think, as Dionysus (Pittsburgh best burgh)suggested, adding a charge bonus to a formation would be a genuinely new idea and could create a lot more fun for cav in general. Think of the strat battles! Anyway as Shanghai Brave has already stated this is not chicken or monkey, yumi bow is big bow.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Konrax on June 20, 2014, 04:23:22 am
m0d is d3ad
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 20, 2014, 04:30:14 am
No I'm only restating how Shanghai Brave says Yumi should be for foot infantry. You misunderstood my message.

I am a ALL career, whatever I do not favor any career advice
我是全职业的,我的任何建议不会偏向某职业
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 20, 2014, 04:34:11 am
Strike↑ flexibility↓ speed↑  =The real cavalry

You understand? To put it simply, do not change the administrator for centuries
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 20, 2014, 04:34:49 am
Strike↑ flexibility↓ speed↑  =The real cavalry

You understand? To put it simply, do not change the administrator for centuries
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 20, 2014, 04:37:41 am
马的灵活性要降低到在快速跑动中不能随意打弯,慢跑也没那么容易打弯
To reduce the flexibility of the horse to the fast track can not be freely bent,Jogging is also not so easy to play bend
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 20, 2014, 04:47:32 am
Strike↑ flexibility↓ speed↑  =The real cavalry

Yes we understand. Wo men ming bai, danshi... it will probably take a long time for admins/developers to consider/think about your suggestions
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 20, 2014, 04:54:07 am
Yes we understand. Wo men ming bai, danshi... it will probably take a long time for admins/developers to consider/think about your suggestions

→→→→→→→admins's head←←←←←←←
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Battlepriest on June 20, 2014, 04:55:59 am
devs are bad people
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 20, 2014, 05:36:46 am
devs are bad people
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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Armycook on June 20, 2014, 09:31:57 am
So these Chinese people are getting mad at CRPG developers because it is not exactly historically accurate?

Get with the times....  It has never been accurate.

Shanghai_Brave doesn't represent the majority of Chinese CRPG community in anyway.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: elvis1325 on June 20, 2014, 09:54:03 am
Weren't Yumis designed assymetrical so they could be used easier on horseback?

Edit: Did some actual research (Wikipedia) and it shows that this theory was disproven due to the yumi being older than Japanese horse archery. However it is made of bamboo, thus making it light enough to be 1 slot.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Gurnisson on June 20, 2014, 10:14:23 am
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Post by: Macropus on June 20, 2014, 10:27:18 am
However it is made of bamboo, thus making it light enough to be 1 slot.
Nope
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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 20, 2014, 10:47:53 am
Weren't Yumis designed assymetrical so they could be used easier on horseback?

Edit: Did some actual research (Wikipedia) and it shows that this theory was disproven due to the yumi being older than Japanese horse archery. However it is made of bamboo, thus making it light enough to be 1 slot.

SO  HOSEBACK:  YUMI>TATAR?????
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Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 20, 2014, 04:02:56 pm
Nope
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I was not aware that katanas are made of bamboo.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Macropus on June 20, 2014, 04:11:06 pm
I was not aware that katanas are made of bamboo.
Buff katana!
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Yuang on June 20, 2014, 05:15:50 pm
Shanghai to go home, most of the CN players do not agree with you, you have a little paranoid.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Torben on June 20, 2014, 05:35:54 pm
I am pretty happy to see chinese players talking in english threads.  nice to read from you guys : )
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 20, 2014, 09:07:40 pm
I was not aware that katanas are made of bamboo.

Nippon steel light and OP

Weren't Yumis designed assymetrical so they could be used easier on horseback?

Edit: Did some actual research (Wikipedia) and it shows that this theory was disproven due to the yumi being older than Japanese horse archery. However it is made of bamboo, thus making it light enough to be 1 slot.

I believe the Yumi design was made to be easier shot while kneeling or on one knee, because you hold the bow with the bow length above your hand longer than the length below your grasping hand.  This feature also helped maneuver the bow left and right on horseback easier because it gives more room.  While holding bows like euro longbows, you hold it mainly in the center.  I'm not 100% correct though
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Post by: Working_Class on June 20, 2014, 11:02:20 pm
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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Porthos on June 21, 2014, 08:53:54 am
cRPG isn't a game based on formations and never will be
tbh i've seen people on Chinese servers making a horse formations on plain terrains very often:
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So, it's quite easy to form a group of cav players together and I do not see any obstacles in the game engine / interface, that could prevent you to organize such powerful formation. And if in on-line mode most people aka shitlords just rushing madly into a battlefield separately, it doesn't mean that this game isn't based on formations. And the singleplayer is literally based on formations, and you cant successfully beat the enemies if you don't manage your squad's parties / formations with correct orders.
You will never, ever see "formations" of heavy cav succeed in this game
I remember Krems playing in early April with 6-8 players, each one mounted at heavy horse. And they were destroying everything around just before they disconnected at the late night. So I already did have seen that the heavy cav squadron is kinda successful in this game :wink:

Anyways I am totally agree with Shanghai_Brave. Horse is not a monkey ffs!
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Torben on June 21, 2014, 09:45:38 am
still a fan of the idea to remove horserearing and replace it with a bonus against horses damage type. 
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: cfuvue on June 21, 2014, 10:30:24 am
This thread is hilarious. but if it is possible, i would like to see bonus charge stats for cavalry riders near each other, similar to the shield bonus mechanic. With the current charge stats on most horses (medium-light, 6riding and less), they do not deal much damage at all to people in 40+ armor when bumping. Formations would only really work with lancer cavalry and it would be interesting to see actual bumping to be the source of damage if cav was stacked.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Torben on June 21, 2014, 12:04:25 pm
its not about the damage,  but being stopped by every "daisy" as someone else has mentioned fitingly : )
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Post by: Simon_Belmont on June 22, 2014, 05:44:54 pm
Not to sound like an ignorant but what is the shield bonus you people are mentioning? There's so much in Warband and cRPG I still don't know about...

Regardless, I'm with what someone previously said (I think it was Kafein): most maps just don't allow proper cavalry formations and teamwork. They either have huge hills or are filled with tree trunks, rocks or anything that stops your horse at the slightest bump (if it's not one of those village maps that pretty much negate cav). However, it would be really nice to see heavy cav work as a team. As it is right now, they end up riding around defenseless 1 handers or rangers picking them off with no effort in a 1 on 1 (which looks pretty silly and absurd from my perspective). Sadly, I can't really think of anything to avoid this myself, although reducing their turn sounds good to me.

Also, I'm no moderator but please calm down, Shanghai. You sound a tad too hostile in my opinion.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 22, 2014, 07:44:47 pm
Not to sound like an ignorant but what is the shield bonus you people are mentioning? There's so much in Warband and cRPG I still don't know about...

Regardless, I'm with what someone previously said (I think it was Kafein): most maps just don't allow proper cavalry formations and teamwork. They either have huge hills or are filled with tree trunks, rocks or anything that stops your horse at the slightest bump (if it's not one of those village maps that pretty much negate cav). However, it would be really nice to see heavy cav work as a team. As it is right now, they end up riding around defenseless 1 handers or rangers picking them off with no effort in a 1 on 1 (which looks pretty silly and absurd from my perspective). Sadly, I can't really think of anything to avoid this myself, although reducing their turn sounds good to me.

Also, I'm no moderator but please calm down, Shanghai. You sound a tad too hostile in my opinion.

(Strike ↑ Speed↑ This is an important change in two +Flexibility↓   )=The real cavalry               

The real cavalry ~ ~ By the time the games are certainly higher, still need me to repeat it?
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Son Of Odin on June 22, 2014, 08:15:31 pm
(Strike ↑ Speed↑ This is an important change in two +Flexibility↓   )=The real cavalry               

The real cavalry ~ ~ By the time the games are certainly higher, still need me to repeat it?

If you want to discuss realism. Use the real board for it: http://forum.melee.org/realism-discussion/

Thanks.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Porthos on June 22, 2014, 11:29:22 pm
Monkey is not a donkey! And there's nothing to discuss!!!
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Macropus on June 22, 2014, 11:31:46 pm
Oh god, Porthos, your sig.  :shock:
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Working_Class on June 23, 2014, 12:23:34 am
That Sig is glorious  :lol:
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Porthos on June 23, 2014, 12:33:29 am
That Sig is glorious  :lol:
xD Thanks. Btw Shanghai_Brave's drawings are much better. Every time I look at them, it gives me a massive mindblow in a most possible positive way. I would like to thank her for the gift of pleasure and inspiration :)
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: darmaster on June 23, 2014, 12:41:28 am
nonoNONO NO I LOST PORTHOS SIG GIVE IT BACK PM PM
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Shanghai_Brave on June 23, 2014, 04:56:51 am
Monkey is not a donkey! And there's nothing to discuss!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:  FUCK OFF
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Porthos on June 23, 2014, 05:31:32 am
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:  FUCK OFF
but but but why ?
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Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 23, 2014, 06:35:29 am
I believe the Chinese players like cavalry formations moving together in charge or flanking, not just single super maneuverable horseman/cav taking over the field. If you promote less use of maneuverability for cavalry, cavalry will be great for a charging formation.

Also, the Japanese did use Yumi on horseback

I got to do that when I was on student exchange, it was fucking boss!

They asked me when I showed up "Have you ridden a horse." "Yes." "Here get on this horse and ride around shooting things, you'll love it." "Fuck and or yes!".

Little known fact: the Japanese used to start most battles by lining up and firing arrows at each other before drawing their swords and hacking each other up. Samurai generally trained in lots of different elements of combat and most were competent even excellent bowmen.

So yeah, gtfo?
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Xant on June 24, 2014, 03:56:55 am
FOR FUCKS SAKE SHANGHAI BRAVE THE SAMURAI STARTED AS HORSE ARCHERS OK? YUMI = OK YUMI = BEST + HORSE = REAL TRUE
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Kafein on June 24, 2014, 06:06:28 pm
FOR FUCKS SAKE SHANGHAI BRAVE THE SAMURAI STARTED AS HORSE ARCHERS OK? YUMI = OK YUMI = BEST + HORSE = REAL TRUE

I can't help but think that's how we are expected to communicate
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Tiger on June 24, 2014, 06:54:18 pm
Let's wrap up this thread guys, discussion kind of over already :o
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: cxalc on June 25, 2014, 07:55:22 am
 :D

Shanghai is  the only one level up to 35 with no retirement(Generation: 1) in our server
he has been playing cRpg for 2-3 years but appears rarely for several months

his stats may be
18/18
6if 6ps 5shield 6ath 6ride 6pd 3ha 6wm
yea he fit all maps but lack of advantage

last update ruined his life
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: cxalc on June 25, 2014, 01:13:05 pm
about Yumi:
there is one elite horsearcher called 69 in our server
years ago on battlefield, i‘ve seen Shanghai lost 1v1 HA duels with 69 for many times everyday
coz he use tata/horn bow with a "all-powerful"18/18 but 6pd plain biuld
while 69 use yumi and he is 21/21(21/24 now) 7pd pure horse archer
it's not hard to imagine wats gonna happen
maybe this is the source of his yumi anger
since wpf didn't benefit from level, i've seldom seen him except on dtv server at midnight
 :oops:
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Regardless of this, Shanghai is enthusiastic about this mod,
some of his advice are reasonable and considerable.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on June 25, 2014, 05:51:29 pm
about Yumi:
there is one elite horsearcher called 69 in our server
years ago on battlefield, i‘ve seen Shanghai lost 1v1 HA duels with 69 for many times everyday
coz he use tata/horn bow with a "all-powerful"18/18 but 6pd plain biuld
while 69 use yumi and he is 21/21(21/24 now) 7pd pure horse archer
it's not hard to imagine wats gonna happen
maybe this is the source of his yumi anger
since wpf didn't benefit from level, i've seldom seen him except on dtv server at midnight
 :oops:
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Regardless of this, Shanghai is enthusiastic about this mod,
some of his advice are reasonable and considerable.

I am overjoyed that there is a player in your server simply called "69"

I must visit the chinese servers sometime.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 27, 2014, 01:33:45 am
I am overjoyed that there is a player in your server simply called "69"

I must visit the chinese servers sometime.

If you do, change your language settings. There are two Chinese language settings. They are abbreviated as CN or CZ or something, I can't remember without the screen in front of me. Very easy to change back as long as you remember which options tab it is in. You can see what people type (even if you can't read it). There are usually a few people who respond in english if you type something into chat with the Chinese language setting.

At certain times of day, the CN server has more people than NA or EU server. Everyone should try it out. I am on east coast of America, but ping isn't too bad. You can feel the difference but it is still playable.
Title: Re: SHIT!!!!!!!!!I missed the most important!
Post by: Macropus on June 27, 2014, 08:26:20 am
The best thing about playing on chinese server is that you can see ArtemRUS in aĺl of his power there, I guess.