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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Grace on May 19, 2011, 02:34:46 am
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Hi guy's ive been playing CRPG for sometime but ive never posted,
When i first started playing CRPG "V0.9 something" there wasn't many admins around , maps were changed regularly and wasn't much server crashing or restarting, but now in the past 3-4 months allot of people i come across are admins some deserve to be admins and make correct decisions, however ive been in to many games were the admin has decided that he's tired of DTV so he's gunna switch the server to battle or he doesn't like this map so he's switching, or a person swears at him so he permanently bans them "which in a fair case shud be , warn, kick ,ban" not ban straight away , it seems to be like there is no guide line for admins or some admins are far to immature to be an admin, adding to the admin map changing heres an example of what went on not long ago , an admin switched DTV map "no harm done tho a notice would be nice" then he switched again within 5 min's, then again.... then he couldn't get the map back to the original one so he left, not only did he leave it on a crappy messed up map after switching maps over 20 times in the past 10 min's but the people that were on it kept getting repair charges every time he ended a round, now people would say "well don't join then , duh!" but the admin shud have let the people know what he is about to do put a password on the server messed around with it then reopened it when he had finished, saving allot of people going WTF is going on!!, my second rant is at the maps alot of maps "especially DTV have places that can be exploited IE a roof the AI cant reach, now allot of people get kicked and even more get banned for using these, now i dont think the player is at fault here , if there's a a glitch in a map a player is bound to use it, simple solution - don't upload map's that have exploits on them- check the maps first before making them public it is not hard to do. one more thing i would like to add is notices, its nice to let the players no what is going on be it map changes, serve restarts or game change. but the main thing i would like to see is a bit more discipline with some admins especially with the kicking and banning , IE a good way should be - Warn , kick , ban , perm ban. regards Grace
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:shock: I have the opposite problem: I asked a lot of time to be permanently banned (you can see my ban thread), but they don't do it.
About actions like changing the mapwhen they want it, it's quite rare, they usually ask to type 1/2 or y/n and act accordingly, however that would not be a big issue for me.
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You're paragraph is massive. Attention span... too.. short, I'm sorry.
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my second rant is at the maps alot of maps "especially DTV have places that can be exploited IE a roof the AI cant reach, now allot of people get kicked and even more get banned for using these, now i dont think the player is at fault here , if there's a a glitch in a map a player is bound to use it, simple solution - don't upload map's that have exploits on them- check the maps first before making them public it is not hard to do.
No..... just no... there will always be bugs and glitches that slip through the testing period, and to say that the players arent at fault when they willingly abuse that bug for personal gain is ridiculous.
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What server are you talking about? On the NA servers I've played on most of the admin only use their powers as a last resort. Hell Farmer_nate gets to rant about how everyone is hacking or DOSing him without being muted.
my second rant is at the maps alot of maps "especially DTV have places that can be exploited IE a roof the AI cant reach, now allot of people get kicked and even more get banned for using these, now i dont think the player is at fault here , if there's a a glitch in a map a player is bound to use it, simple solution - don't upload map's that have exploits on them- check the maps first before making them public it is not hard to do.
This is just ridiculous, most of the time when something like this is exploited, they are usually points nobody would be in a practical situation. The only person who can and should be held responsible is the player, using something they know to be wrong in the first place. In the recent case of the China server the whole server was shutdown for a group exploiting fairly openly.
If you have a problem with the admin of a server "abusing" their power, either leave, or take pictures.
TL;DR
Deal with it.
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If you abuse glitches on maps you are breaking the rules (common sense rule) and deserve to be kicked.
I dont know if you know it but CRPG is beta and also new maps are tested on the servers.
=> common sense => report the glitch => dont use it
=> reason for kick => find the glitch => abuse it.
In addition: Admins are doing fine atm.
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This thread suffers from the usual problem with admin discussion threads: I have no idea which servers you are talking about.
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EU servers here mostly (#2 in specific, as I play there the most, but I also get around the Americans when playing with my Clan)
Admins like to play, instead of spectate the game or pay special attention to the chat. This is probably normal, but really shouldn't we pick players who can at least partly pay attention to both or know there responsibility?
Very often we have situations where:
(chat)
>1: Hey, stop destroying all our ladders, they are like 3 slots! What the hell man, you killed 2 people!
>2: QQ more bitch
>2 has killed 1 (intentional teamkill)
>2: Sorry
>Poll vs 2
>Admin stops poll, kicks 1 "Stop rage polling he apologized"
True story, repeats itself in other forms just about daily, every decent griefer knows to say sorry after anything and the admins will never do something about it.
Or me, currently: Banned on EU for... running in straight lines and/or being low level/freshly retired.
In my opinion, there is no real reason for the admins to perform well, after all none watches them and the remove threads or so in that section are a joke that will never, ever have any effect.
So what to do? Add guidelines, like:
>Before you ban someone, do at least 2 of the following:
Ask him/warn him/use the anti leech feature/watch for more then 10 seconds/Ask other players/Check the Chat log/Check scores
That really would help a lot, right now it is just "Something happens - Instinct reaction, just get rid of it so I can keep playing"
Please investigate.
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I really like to see you guys how you will perform as admin.
Admin do it for free, they are players like us who for the interest of others spend a lot of their time to deal with griefers, exploiters and retards...
When you must repeat the same things 10 times in a game session, you don't warn retards, you just kick or ban them.
The warning is in the server rules, if you don't respect this rules you deserve what you got.
In no way i would like to be admin, when i play, i play for fun, not for dealing with retards that are never happy and lie for their own interest.i don't even talk of endless thread on the forumn where admin have to justify banning griefers...
Tbh, i play cRPG since july 2010 and i never had any problem with an admin. If an admin talk to you, it's that you do something wrong.
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Hi
This cant be the offical EU servers, so I guess you must be playing on some of the new clan servers. What your describing is worrying, so if you could spesify which server were talking about, we could take a look.
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When you must repeat the same things 10 times in a game session, you don't warn retards, you just kick or ban them.
This is a very poor choice, though, as things can appear one way, but be the other... Say you are on a map you never played before, you just run towards where you think the enemy is, then hit a wall and go "Oh, change direction... can earn you a perma? ban:
I banned 1 person for afk-running into the map-edge. First I thought it was a simply DC, then a simple AFK run holding a button, but when the char started changing directions while running into map edge.. Looked like more sophisticated leeching.
I thought cynical leecher, and hence the ban.
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This thread suffers from the usual problem with admin discussion threads: I have no idea which servers you are talking about.
He's talking about EU6 and I was the person permanently banned.
I was playing with a not terribly serious alt character called HotChickWithASword. I'd reached the stage where it was starting to take a long time to grind out levels. I wanted to see if she'd be a feasible character with a few more levels - feasible as in "Won't finish 0:7 every map" at least. irc://nuffen came into the server and announced he'd be re-starting it to test a new map as we were fighting the vikings, I think. I said couldn't he wait a few minutes until the Vitez guys came and killed us all as they always did so we wouldn't lose our multipliers (x4 in my case) irc://nuffen restarted the server immediately and we all lost our multipliers. The new map was broken. He couldn't switch it back to a proper map. There were, as the OP said, several rounds of the map switching backwards and forwards between maps, each time knocking everyone back to x1, including several tin cans who must have lost quite a lot of money in the process. Eventually there were only 3 of us left and I left too until it was sorted out.
After a while I came back and it seemed things were back to normal in Forest Hideout. The "Exploit" tactic mentioned was actually just fighting from a low roof against peasants and bandits. It wouldn't even have worked against higher tier bots.
Anyway, in comes some little Napoleon of an admin I'd never seen before (can't remember his name except he was a Merc) and orders everyone to stop exploiting, kicking me when I went onto a roof and once again losing me a mutliplier. It was now quite late at night.
I was very cross.
"Fuck you and the horse you rode in on" I said in the chat while dead, going into a rant about everything that had happened "and now suddenly you want to play strictly by the rules?" I shouldn't have said that, my bad. It wasn't Merc_Little_Napoleon's fault about the servers after all. I wasn't going to post at all on this subject, but this is to explain what actually happened. Frankly, I'm not having much fun playing the game at the moment anyway so what happens about this ban doesn't matter to me much. Admins shouldn't be assigned to server management if they don't know how to do it. There's no point trying to strictly regulate DTV maps because honestly they're just for hardcore grinding anway - it's not fun standing for half an hour at the top of some stairs with a Great Maul readied. DTV is an exploit to begin with for those of us who can stand the monotony of it all. So in conclusion, "Meh."
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Elmetiacos: The situation you describe is very different from what grace describes. As you admit yourself, I did warn you before restarting the server.
Also, this whole thread is about me testing out new DTV maps? Stopping that means we will end up only having two maps FOREVER. Do any of you wanna be stuck with only 2 DTV maps? really?
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Power never takes a back step - only in the face of more power.
-Malcolm X
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[..]irc://nuffen came into the server and announced he'd be re-starting it to test a new map as we were fighting the vikings, I think. I said couldn't he wait a few minutes until the Vitez guys came and killed us all as they always did so we wouldn't lose our multipliers (x4 in my case) irc://nuffen restarted the server immediately and we all lost our multipliers. The new map was broken. He couldn't switch it back to a proper map. There were, as the OP said, several rounds of the map switching backwards and forwards between maps, each time knocking everyone back to x1, including several tin cans who must have lost quite a lot of money in the process. Eventually there were only 3 of us left and I left too until it was sorted out.
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Admins shouldn't be assigned to server management if they don't know how to do it.
We have no resources to thoroughly educate admins before unleashing them to the wild. They learn by doing, and if no knowledgeable admin is available to consult them sometimes things go wrong. As for the "wait until something", that just won't do. It's an endless cycle of "waiting just a bit" and nothing gets done.
Anyway, in comes some little Napoleon of an admin I'd never seen before (can't remember his name except he was a Merc)
Calling the admin Merc_Little_Napoleon isn't very constructive style, if you have a complaint to make then make it with an actual name - otherwise it's worthless. This just makes you appear like a standard ragey kid who got banned for resisting admin decisions even if you had some actual point in your complaint.
There's no point trying to strictly regulate DTV maps because honestly they're just for hardcore grinding anway - it's not fun standing for half an hour at the top of some stairs with a Great Maul readied. DTV is an exploit to begin with for those of us who can stand the monotony of it all. So in conclusion, "Meh."
That is a valid point. I personally don't enjoy playing DTV at all. Way to discuss the rules is not on a server though - when playing, admin follows the established rules. If you have constructive ideas about how to make rules more sensible/better/easier to understand, make a thread for that. Criticism and improvement ideas are always welcomed as long as they have some actual point behind them.
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Elmetiacos: The situation you describe is very different from what grace describes. As you admit yourself, I did warn you before restarting the server.
Also, this whole thread is about me testing out new DTV maps? Stopping that means we will end up only having two maps FOREVER. Do any of you wanna be stuck with only 2 DTV maps? really?
It's only different in that I'm clarifying because Grace couldn't read what I wrote while dead.
Calling the admin Merc_Little_Napoleon isn't very constructive style, if you have a complaint to make then make it with an actual name - otherwise it's worthless. This just makes you appear like a standard ragey kid who got banned for resisting admin decisions even if you had some actual point in your complaint.
But do you see, I'm not even making a complaint...
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Does this mean I need to stop banning people for looking at me funny?
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What happened yesterday was:
I gave the command to restart the server, logged in, and warned people about the restart.
Then the new map was f*** up, I tried to change it back. But because some miscommunication between me and meow, and that meow wasnt updated on the situation, we couldnt change it back. So we tried over and over. This was explained in the chat over and over before we did the restarts. Kinda strange that this was read as I just didnt like the map and that people was going WTF whats going on. They could just have red those huge RED messages explaining what was going on.
Yes, some of the maps are easily exploitable. We are working on it, but you seem to want us to stop, as half of your post is about us testing em out. So, we should get new and better maps, but we are not allowed to get new and better maps?
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I don't really agree with you guys. These things have never happened to me before on EU 6 or Shogunate CRPG, both in DTV-mode, I played a lot on these the last days. I still believe that it happened but I don't think it's that often.
From what I've read the thread is not an 'overall look at admins' it's a specific point of view.
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Merc Napoleon Admin guy!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now, who could THAT be????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think this guy is just trolling :)
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Thtb, your example of running toward and change direction when you hit a wall, seems like some kind of leecher behaviour, but you can always argue that you were searching enemy... As i said endless thread...
Btw, there is no perma-ban except for very very stupid and breaking rule behaviour (all ban show perma at first)
Ofc, i only talk of official admin on EU, they have flaws, they are human and players like us, but overall they do a good job (for free).
This is no ass admin licking, but i like when good things are said not only the bad one.
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Thtb, your example of running toward and change direction when you hit a wall, seems like some kind of leecher behaviour, but you can always argue that you were searching enemy... As i said endless thread...
And as I said, investigating a tiny bit would solve many unneeded unban threads from honest players, waisting there and the admins time in a grander scale then chating/warning/talking once ingame.
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Yeah you are right and have a good point, but i guess they don't have really the time and go on the easy way.
May be with new admin tools (like in Nindur thread) they could do better.
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And as I said, investigating a tiny bit would solve many unneeded unban threads from honest players, waisting there and the admins time in a grander scale then chating/warning/talking once ingame.
We always investigate before banning. Its not like we "oh, that guy might be a leecher, BAN!"
I usually spectate a guy two rounds before bannin him/her for leeching.
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Merc Napoleon Admin guy!!!!!
Now, who could THAT be?????
I think this guy is just trolling
I really have no idea who it could be, because I didn't know him, I'd not seen him before. The only Merc admin I know of is Phazh and it wasn't him.
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NA admins would never behave this way! Shame on the eu admins!
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NA admins would never behave this way! Shame on the eu admins!
Yeah! *picks up pitchfork tar feather and torch* I never had complaints! Shame on EU, they took our job! No wait getting a bit off topic here...
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If you want to solve all your admin problems you should go to my suggestion thread:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,5766.0.html
Recommend this to the devs and persuade them to put my ideas into the game and your problems will cease to exist!
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NA admins would never behave this way! Shame on the eu admins!
Yeah, NA admins only ban based on clan tag.
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Yeah, NA admins only ban based on clan tag.
Would now be a bad time for me to make a tasteless and false joke about EU doing the same and then mention Mercs?
:lol:
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Would now be a bad time for me to make a tasteless and false joke about EU doing the same and then mention Mercs?
:lol:
and templar
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NA admins would never behave this way! Shame on the eu admins!
from what I've heard it's the other way around.
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from what i heard from a guy who heard it from another guy who saw the "light" and a granny being smacked around by goretooth: NA admins are way worse and should all be voted out for ABOOZE behavior :mrgreen:
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And for dissing me and mah brothers in arms!
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EU ban list is bigger then the NA one though!
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EU player list is bigger then the NA one though!
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EU ban list is bigger then the NA one though!
EU player list is bigger then the NA one though!
Percentages, we demand percentages!
And more mud, I think this thread has run dry a little...
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NA ban %= 99,5%
EU ban %= 2%
i rest my case 8-)
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NA ban %= 99,5%
EU ban %= 2%
i rest my case 8-)
I support this 100%, we NA players that are left are the vaunted 0.5% who are bonified genuine full-time ass-kissers to the Admins! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now we just need to weed out the irritating new players who don't step in line!
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I just want to see someone who isn't banned complain about an admin...
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I just want to see someone who isn't banned complain about an admin...
I do all the time, and it's amazing I haven't been banned yet.
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I do all the time, and it's amazing I haven't been banned yet.
I assume just in game, non of your posts after review criticizes them.
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Correct, usually I jump on the train when they're kicking and muting people for disagreeing with them.
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Correct, usually I jump on the train when they're kicking and muting people for disagreeing with them.
A -permenantly- banning people for the slightes thing.
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Perma banning "just in case" is the way to go, so they can't come back and bitch at you in game.
Is the server where the bans are handled back up yet?
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No.
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the admins on eu4 ignore blatant racist comments
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Sometimes, I think ideal admins should be faster to send warnings and kicks, and slower to ban.
Most QQ threads comes from douchebags that were banned without warnings. Still douchebags, but sometimes admins should be a little less hot tempered, that would make cases clearer.
Banning someone without warnings for one (yes, one) line in the chat or one (even intentional) TK sounds harsh, yet many admins just do it right away.
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Something else that people should realize is that anyone with evidence of admin abuse is welcome to forward it to me, Gash, or ecko( away on vacation at the moment). Also I am finding it difficult to tell which people are complaining about EU abuse and which people are complaing about NA abuse, I recognize very few names in this thread so I assume you are mostly talking about EU. Also -Protip- A perma ban is not permanent, most player are banned for less then a day or two. Fun Fact: There are 37 Active bans on the NA servers, since they came online. 13 are from the same 2 players crashing other players with crazy Image names, and another player was banned under 4 different names for the same reason. So 17 out of 37 Now active bans are from people crashing the server, so we have 20 active bans since the NA servers came online.
IMO that's not too bad considering how many crackheads we deal with.
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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,52.0.html
Dang
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considering how many crackheads we deal with.
Indeed sir, indeed.
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I just want to see someone who isn't banned complain about an admin...
I don't remember if I've complained about any specific admins but I have complained about the ways some things are done by admins.
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Most QQ threads comes from douchebags that were banned without warnings. Still douchebags, but sometimes admins should be a little less hot tempered, that would make cases clearer.
Banning someone without warnings for one (yes, one) line in the chat or one (even intentional) TK sounds harsh, yet many admins just do it right away.
In my experience these douchebags claims to have received no warnings, when the logs shows they got several. Some of them even received kick-warnings. They still claim there was no warnings.
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The only Merc admin I know of is Phazh and it wasn't him.
Qft! It wasn't me! Damn those aboozers.
Seriously though. More playing, less whine and cheeze. :wink:
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I haven't personally any major issues with Admins, I've been playing on and off for a few months and everyone seems quite capable.
The only thing I'd like is a bit of a toning down with all the homophobic comments going around, but as a gay man playing online games i've got a thick skin to it all.
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http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,52.0.html
Dang
All nuffen hate in that thread, where's all the nuffen love!
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Should we make a Nuffen fan club? I'd be it's first member :D
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the admins on eu4 ignore blatant racist comments
EU4 tends to collect people who've been banned from other servers for various reasons.
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EU4 tends to collect people who've been banned from other servers for various reasons.
Funny but true. EU4 is the Tortuga of cRPG. Pirates and scoundrels mostly. Even the admins are evil there! :twisted:
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Phaz is not the only merc admin.
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Grace, the next time you post, please either use a tl;dr, or some sort of paragraphs; preferably both.
U might have a valid point, but no one but the most hardcore forum readers are going to read what you wrote.
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Stop posting, I don't read the things you say because that chick in your avatar is so hot.
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Stop posting, I don't read the things you say because that chick in your avatar is so hot.
You want him to STOP posting? I say he should post in all thread because of that avatar. Not that I read what he says anyways.