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Title: RIP Turkey
Post by: LordBerenger on May 14, 2014, 07:26:32 am
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/13/world/europe/turkey-mine-accident/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

201 dead. So far atleast, according to reports anyhow.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: HarunYahya on May 14, 2014, 07:36:28 am
Consequences of voting to current government.
CHP offered a research to be made to investigate accidents in Soma mine in april 29, they got rejected by AKP votes in parliament.

TA-DA 200-700 death as a result. Fucking murderer thiefs...
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kirman on May 14, 2014, 10:18:30 am
I was making some research about this. In my country you have to work 25 years in those conditions  if you don't die and retire you get around 285€. If you work as a member of parliament, you have to work 2 years and get 2,372€ when you retire. It's kinda stupid that i talk about the money but why would you go down to a mine in those conditions? To earn something for living. And when i say something about the equality they call me ''communist''. Other than this, the company who operates this mine was really close to the government and didn't get a single penalty during years.

Few minutes ago my father called me since he's an union member. ''Unions are gathering at Taksim tonight'' This part is worse. 20-25 years ago unions had 7-8 million members. Today it's 1-1.5 milion. It just legal slavery nowadays.

I'm still kinda angry so i may talk pointless and my english won't be enough to discuss a lot.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Gnjus on May 14, 2014, 10:35:17 am
As a dedicated Turkologist I must say that it sadness me beyond words to hear about Turks dying in a fire.  :cry:
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kirman on May 15, 2014, 11:53:02 am
282 dead at the moment. It still increasing and there are few places they can't reach.


He wants to visit ''Soma'' after made a speech about mine accidents which happened in 1800-1900s...

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Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Molly on May 15, 2014, 01:44:24 pm
Did this really happen yesterday?

Because I've read people claiming that it's an incident from 2012.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kirman on May 15, 2014, 02:02:46 pm
It's true and some more info.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2629101/Hope-fades-150-trapped-miners-fire-STILL-burns-mile-underground-Turkish-coalmine.html
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 15, 2014, 03:31:20 pm
Did this really happen yesterday?

Because I've read people claiming that it's an incident from 2012.

If some Turks told that to you, you have to understand that pro-government bloodhounds are true masters of denial.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Cicero on May 15, 2014, 03:40:29 pm
Its still sad to think that those people who died actually voted for their murderer.

Best way to live like a retard is ; dont read anyshit about your country just take a fuckin selfie and keep living.

I am pretty sure that even after those died ,  miners are still working in worse conditions also no one is trying to ask himself why the fuck he must work like that ?

I am again not gonna protest ; i already stopped to care for anyshit associated with turkey or turks. Why the fuck i should defend somebody if he dont even try think that its not equal to  live like that ?

Born as lucky ? Ah stop that bullshit already.Getting married at 20 , making 10 babies  then cry for food as " I have a wife and children " ffs who the fuck tell you to get married and fuck your wife if u dont have enough balls to feed them ?

Rage , rage ,rage. Fuck you Taeyyip just fuck you ; literally , fuck you.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: LordBerenger on May 15, 2014, 09:04:04 pm
Its still sad to think that those people who died actually voted for their murderer.

Best way to live like a retard is ; dont read anyshit about your country just take a fuckin selfie and keep living.

I am pretty sure that even after those died ,  miners are still working in worse conditions also no one is trying to ask himself why the fuck he must work like that ?

I am again not gonna protest ; i already stopped to care for anyshit associated with turkey or turks. Why the fuck i should defend somebody if he dont even try think that its not equal to  live like that ?

Born as lucky ? Ah stop that bullshit already.Getting married at 20 , making 10 babies  then cry for food as " I have a wife and children " ffs who the fuck tell you to get married and fuck your wife if u dont have enough balls to feed them ?

Rage , rage ,rage. Fuck you Taeyyip just fuck you ; literally , fuck you.

Cicero for president of Türkiye 2014.

Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Fredom on May 15, 2014, 09:45:29 pm
Erdogan is such a biatch, some others wanted to take a look at this mine but he rejected and now he's just rejecting everything which would have consequenses for him in case of this horrible and terrible mine accident.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 15, 2014, 10:35:05 pm
Only 20 days ago, the opposing party had submitted to the national assembly a written inquiry about the occupational accidents happening in that exact mine. That hardass bridge troll didn't give shit. His party members were chit chatting and minding their own trivial stuff at that time. And now the prime sinister gives examples from the 1800's Europe like "Stuff like that happens. It's only ordinary." Publicly punches a protester after barely escaping his ass to a nearby supermarket. Meanwhile an official advisor of his, in his formal business suit, kicks around protesters knocked down by military police and state police. After all, that teenage-angst dictator had a whole line of police and another line of military police standing between him and the crowd.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Christo on May 15, 2014, 10:40:55 pm
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Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 15, 2014, 10:48:38 pm
Thanks for the photos and video Christo. I should have added those too.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Christo on May 15, 2014, 10:50:53 pm
No problem

I did not include the "Erdogan punches guy" video because it's not clear enough to judge what happened there.

You only see a lot of heads.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 15, 2014, 10:54:29 pm
Check this link out (I am sorry, the videos are not embeddable). Especially the second video. It is clearly seen. Meanwhile, disinformation already started. They have already found a false victim to say: "He mistook me for a protester. I was just shopping. And it is ok. I understand his anger."

http://haber.sol.org.tr/devlet-ve-siyaset/basbakanin-yumruklu-saldirisindan-yeni-goruntuler-haberi-92500
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Angantyr on May 15, 2014, 11:57:50 pm
We see the same policy of increased privatization anywhere in the neoliberal world, and the inherent loss of workers' rights that follows, numerous similar experiences in spite.

Textbook class warfare, waged mainly by the privileged classes.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kafein on May 16, 2014, 12:19:23 am
We see the same policy of increased privatization anywhere in the neoliberal world, and the inherent loss of workers' rights that follows, numerous similar experiences in spite.

Textbook class warfare, waged mainly by the privileged classes.

Has privatization anything to do with this? I only see a lack of security measures and authoritarianism. There would be a lack of security measures if those mines were run by the government too.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Angantyr on May 16, 2014, 12:31:50 am
Yes, if you look closer into the case working conditions became ever worse following broad privatization in the mining sector. 'Efficiency' the clergy often calls it, which mainly means redistribution - more for the top and less for the bottom.
The god-given merits of privatization that form our governments' policies have long been disproven by social and economic studies, but our politicians still pursue it, for reasons that should by now be obvious. Government-run businesses are not necessarily more effective (studies show that it goes both ways) but there's an almost universal tendency that these are among the few institutions where profit does not necessarily take precedence over all else. Areas where at least Europe has a history of having much better outcomes from state-sector management is areas like communication, traffic (usually railroads), education, welfare and hospitals etc. ie. sectors that affect the common good.

edit: privatized of course doesn't mean entirely free of of the state sector, usually it means that a company is receiving serious state sponsorship, or welfare if you will, like most of the world's biggest companies, corporate state-capitalism.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 16, 2014, 12:39:31 am
Has privatization anything to do with this? I only see a lack of security measures and authoritarianism. There would be a lack of security measures if those mines were run by the government too.

In Turkey's case, mass privatization meant, as the prime sinister has always been daftly pointing out, ridding the state of a lot of burden (state-insured employment, audits, what little cost there was to run them etc.). Ffs, those shameless bastards privatized even hundreds of small streams in a country where, despite the abundance of water sources, availability of potable water is becoming a growing concern every single day.

They privatized the entire telecommunication system to one single company, which has almost no alternatives and does not give a single damn about your internet connection issues.

Do you really expect them to care at all about security measures and the likes of that? They certified that goddamned mine. They found it to be suitable for operation. Do you think they were presented with a safe environment to begin with? Of course not. It was "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours". That bundle of sticks hands out bags of coal to poverty-stricken citizens fresh out of that very mine and scores of others in return for their votes.

For the last ten years I doubt that even a single public bid went unrigged. The recent wiretapped calls from earlier this year prove how he discusses how much "lion's share" that bastard wants from a specific bid. Courts award verdicts against constructions in natural sites. The cabinet quickly promises them that environmental impact assessments and such trivial stuff don't matter at all. Constructions start and go on despite verdicts.

You could say it is authoritarianism and unprecendented corruption. But privatization was what allowed him to grow this shameless. It was also what attracted buttlicking liberalist's votes (no offense anybody, I am strictly talking about the Turkish liberalist front here). Under the former good old public model, there was no way he could cause so much damage. So, it is the goddamn privatization indeed.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kafein on May 16, 2014, 01:20:05 am
Yes, if you look closer into the case working conditions became ever worse following broad privatization in the mining sector. 'Efficiency' the clergy often calls it, which mainly means redistribution - more for the top and less for the bottom.
The god-given merits of privatization that form our governments' policies have long been disproven by social and economic studies, but our politicians still pursue it, for reasons that should by now be obvious. Government-run businesses are not necessarily more effective (studies show that it goes both ways) but there's an almost universal tendency that these are among the few institutions where profit does not necessarily take precedence over all else. Areas where at least Europe has a history of having much better outcomes from state-sector management is areas like communication, traffic (usually railroads), education, welfare and hospitals etc. ie. sectors that affect the common good.

I absolutely agree as long as we are talking about sectors where either market forces don't work (transport, communications etc.), either there are long term concerns (water, energy etc.), or financial efficiency shouldn't be the main goal (justice, education, health etc.).

Mining however, is not completely like that. There are very important environmental concerns but it's not renewable hence doesn't require careful stock management. Although there is a rather high barrier to entry, free market competition applies well to minerals.

In my opinion it's the corruption that allowed such disastrous privatization, not the other way around. It's incredibly easy to sell the country's entire telecom to a friend when checks are inexistent. Private management in general is not wrong or worse because such things can happen. What happened in Turkey is just a veneer of liberalism on top of a pile of garbage. The corruption inside the good old public model is just smaller scaled, yet more institutionalized. Friends get pseudo-jobs from which they can't be fired. Nobody cares about safety, efficiency or service either, because it's nobody's personal interest in a public company. And this is also much harder to get rid of. As far as I know, no country on earth ever managed to have a public workforce with a work ethic.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Christo on May 22, 2014, 09:36:07 pm
'Erdogan did not punch me,' says Soma resident  (http://www.worldbulletin.net/turkey/136683/erdogan-did-not-punch-me-says-soma-resident)

Intimidation, and bribery. That's probably what changed his story in the end.


Soma incident is truly the biggest failure so far, much much worse than Gezi park. Hope you can overthrow these fuckers and restore your shattered reputation.

Caught on camera: Turkish PM vents frustration over mining accident with anti-Semitic violence. Calls protester 'Israeli sperm' (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/180692#.U35SPyiA3ct)
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 22, 2014, 11:17:28 pm
I am sure it was mostly intimidation. Stuff like this has become common. This stonehead either says foul stuff or physically attacks people. Afterwards you listen to the victim's angry words. Very soon after, the victim will publicly take back everything and tell you the opposite. In this case, they made this man say "He didn't even attack me. He was trying to protect me from his angry mob of bouncers." How ridiculous could things get?

As for the words "Israeli sperm"... Well, the prime bigot actually said that. And seeing that bridge troll actually use those words as an insult at a time of anger made me realize one thing. All along, I believed that his entire antisemitic discourse was a tool to manipulate his mindless illiterate puppet of a follower crowd. I thought he was clever. I thought he was just creating a pleasant illusion for his peasants. But seeing how he candidly uses those words at a time of distress makes it clear that this man is in no way clever. He obviously fully believes in the antisemitic bullshit (global jewish campaign against the rising success of Turkey blah blah blah endless fucking blah) he has been muttering around. This guy, I tell you, is a true retard. He is an insane man that should be locked in a padded cell, let alone trusting him with a nation.

I suppose you have heard about the endless scandals involved in the recent local elections (more than 1 thousand incidents reported against his party). At this time, we are basically and essentially stripped from our right to vote. Our votes and the ballot box don't mean shit. We have experienced it first hand that these guys will practice any dirty trick written in the book of ruse possible, when it comes to manipulating election results. And the recent local elections were not the only occasion on which they were caught red handed but carried on with their manipulated results anyway. So, I don't really have much hope for restoring this nation's reputation. We are perfectly screwed and being held captive by a mad man. We are in deep shit.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Christo on May 22, 2014, 11:55:20 pm
Yeah, I have heard about the ballots being thrown out that didn't go for AKP, et cetera et cetera..
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kafein on May 23, 2014, 12:43:14 am
If real politics were like Democracy 3, Erdogan would have died 50 times already.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kirman on May 28, 2014, 11:22:05 am
This is why i don't want to live in Turkey anymore. All those idiots will keep voting Erdogan...


Few weeks later the accident where 301 miner died

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They did the same thing in 2012. An earthquake and a children who were still alive under the wreckage cause there was a dead person on him. Then the kid died at hospital. Look what they have done after few months.

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Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Christo on March 13, 2016, 07:05:44 pm
MY NAME IS JAFAR.
I COME FROM AFAR.
THERE IS A BOMB IN MY CAR.
ALLAHU AKBAR.

Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 13, 2016, 07:12:36 pm
My name is Tardogan,


I am a big fat charlatan,


I tell them lies inhuman,


And tales of turban,


And it suffices to chill my herds of partizan!
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Christo on March 13, 2016, 07:13:55 pm
US embassy issued a warning two days ago to this area for a possible terrorist attack
http://turkey.usembassy.gov/mobile/sm-031116.html#.VuS8BVBriBk.twitter

Guess your media was too busy taking over other outlets to care about this.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 13, 2016, 07:16:44 pm
Who cares Christo? There is almost 100% media domination. A brodcast/publishing ban was issued only minutes later. Social media sites are locked up thanks to the entire internet infrastructure belonging to a monopoly.

Tomorrow, Tardogan will step up and mumble shit about cursing terrorism. He will brag about how nobody should test the patience of great Turkey. And that will be the end of it. The sheep will continue to love him. Hell they will love him even more. Because the stupidity of your average snackbarist Turk is unmatched. It's beyond human comprehension.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Christo on March 13, 2016, 07:19:52 pm
Well, europeans sure care about giving money away to this fucknut, that is one reason to care.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 13, 2016, 07:21:36 pm
Europe doesn't give a flying fuck about the future of the people who are stuck here with the herd of sheep. Tardogan is instrumental in keeping the Syrians away from precious EU lands, which is the only thing EU countries will be concerned about in the foreseeable long run.

All this pampering, bribing and false promises of lifting visas only boost his foothold. I still can't forget how they even postponed announcement of the mostly negative EU progress report for Turkey right before the elections. Because EU didn't and don't want this nutjob to fuck off. He is useful and he has to stay as long as it is necessary.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Christo on March 13, 2016, 07:24:23 pm
meanwhile a pic of the aftermath
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Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 13, 2016, 07:35:24 pm
Europe doesn't give a flying fuck about the future of the people who are stuck here with the herd of sheep. Tardogan is instrumental in keeping the Syrians away from precious EU lands, which is the only thing EU countries will be concerned about in the foreseeable long run.

All this pampering, bribing and false promises of lifting visas only boost his foothold. I still can't forget how they even postponed announcement of the mostly negative EU progress report for Turkey right before the elections. Because EU didn't and don't want this nutjob to fuck off. He is useful and he has to stay as long as it is necessary.

He's instrumental in fact that there are refugees in the first place.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Tibes on March 13, 2016, 08:02:41 pm
How is he instrumental in that fact? Despite him being a complete moron, sofar the only region he is furiously trying to ruin is the one he is currently in charge of. He didnt really do anything to Syria, Iraq or Afganistan.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 13, 2016, 08:06:13 pm
How is he instrumental in that fact? Despite him being a complete moron, sofar the only region he is furiously trying to ruin is the one he is currently in charge of. He didnt really do anything to Syria, Iraq or Afganistan.

Really? Do you even know why he's been coming down on the media? One of the reasons are because they are reporting his atrocities against the Kurds. Another is that Turkish journalists have been uncovering Turkish security forces complicitcy in arming the Syrian rebels linked with AL-Qaeda. There is a whole lot more to say but I shouldn't have to. Maybe you'd like to quote my paragraph in your next post too just so I can be certain you're post is aimed at me.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Tibes on March 13, 2016, 08:14:59 pm
Yeah. Man there is waaaay to many reasons he's been coming down on the media.  And majority of the Kurds he is trying to murder are in Turkey. His own area. And I wouldnt even be suprised if he did collaborate with Al-Qaeda in Syria. But thats still not enough to claim that he is one of the main reasons for the shitstorm there. His negative affects outside of Turkey are still minimal.

Being a moron that he is. He might have even been unaware that they were linked to Al-Qaeda. Happened to everyone. West armed rebels to fight terroists so that they dont have to send their own troops in. Rebels join terrorist organizations. Everyones screwed.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 13, 2016, 08:19:58 pm
Yeah. Man there is waaaay to many reasons he's been coming down on the media.  And majority of the Kurds he is trying to murder are in Turkey. His own area. And I wouldnt even be suprised if he did collaborate with Al-Qaeda in Syria. But thats still not enough to claim that he is one of the main reasons for the shitstorm there. His negative affects outside of Turkey are still minimal.

But he is one the main reasons for the perpetuation of the conflict. His border has been one of the most porous throughout the Syrian war, thousands, tens of thousands of fighters from all over Europe and Turkey have been flooding through Turkey to Syria. Erdogan has been arming and funding ethnic Turkmen on the borders to fight Assad and has more interest in stiffling the Kurds than he does Daesh. Also Russia has provided proof multiple times showing Turkey having Daesh oil transported through its checkpoints, so not only is he sympathising with, funding and arming jihadi's he's buying Daesh's oil. One of reasons put forward by observers for his downing of the Russian SU-24 was that it was bombing the ethnic Turkmen he's heavily invested resources into. Turkey, like other sponsors of the conflict in Syria are neck deep in culpability.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Tibes on March 13, 2016, 08:29:40 pm
Heh. Thats actually likely. He considers Kurds to be a bigger threat. But hes not disrupting the entire region. He's only supporting Daesh aslong as they keep the Kurds on their toes. He doesnt care about disrupting Syria, Afganistan or Iraq for that matter.

But I have my serius doubts about that plane downing however. Russia has never had any respect over borders. Last year there were over 104 cases where Russias planes broke Nato airspace. Not to mention the times that their navy broke it aswell. I assume they figured nothing would happen if they broke Turkey's too.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 13, 2016, 08:37:16 pm
Heh. Thats actually likely. He considers Kurds to be a bigger threat. But hes not disrupting the entire region. He's only supporting Daesh aslong as they keep the Kurds on their toes. He doesnt care about disrupting Syria, Afganistan or Iraq for that matter.

But I have my serius doubts about that plane downing however. Russia has never had any respect over borders. Last year there were over 104 cases where Russias planes broke Nato airspace. Not to mention the times that their navy broke it aswell. I assume they figured nothing would happen if they broke Turkey's too.

There has been a sort of unwritten rule that minor airspace violations do not provide a case for shooting down an aircraft. This was to ensure that no minor airspace violation turns into the match that lights the fuse that triggers a widescale conflict between NATO and Russia, and a world war. Erdogan recklessly brushed that possible outcome aside and did it anyway. Erdogan the hypocrite who's own airforce have violated against their wishes Greek airspace thousands of times.  Who has violated Syrian and Iraqi airspace and has even moved his armed forces into both Syria and Iraq in contravention of international law, and he did this SINCE shooting down the Russian bomber. If Putin had behaved similarly to Turkey the Turkish forces in Iraq/Syria would have been obliterated by now and Turkey and Russia would be in the midst of an all out war probably dragging the rest of the world into it... I can comfortably state that Putin is far more level headed than Erdogan despite their similarities. If Putin were Erdogan we'd either be dead right now or talking in the talk to ourselves in some ruins.

On the topic of Kurds.

"Turkey declares indefinite curfew for 2 more Kurdish towns "

https://www.rt.com/news/335436-turkey-kurds-curfew-military/
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 13, 2016, 08:39:33 pm
He's instrumental in fact that there are refugees in the first place.

For EU, he is currently and primarily instrumental in terms of holding refugees back. What else is there? All the other details you listed in the next post concern only Turkey. It is shit we have to deal with on our own (or rather left alone to deal with on our own).

Of course, if secular Turkey as we know it bites the dust (which is actually in the works), the inferno will leap onto the Balkans and from there into Europe. In that case, EU will need a Trump to build a wall. But nobody seems to worry about this fact so far.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 13, 2016, 08:43:46 pm
For EU, he is currently and primarily instrumental in terms of holding refugees back. What else is there? All the other details you listed in the next post concern only Turkey. It is shit we have to deal with on our own (or rather left alone to deal with on our own).

Of course, if secular Turkey as we know it bites the dust (which is actually in the works), the inferno will leap onto the Balkans and from there into Europe. In that case, EU will need a Trump to build a wall. But nobody seems to worry about this fact so far.

The EU had already vouched billions to Erdogan, yet still they came. He has little interest in stopping the mass migration of refugees, but he has alot of interest in extorting money from the crumbling EU. I saw a video lastnight I can't verify its authenticity but it purports to show Turkish coastcards prodding a dinghy full of refugees in the direction of Greece. Of course they denied this, but they would, wouldn't they. Even if Erdogan is actually interested in reducing the flow of refugees to Europe, his country is so corrupt he couldn't control his borders even if he wanted to. Hell people smugglers are making a fortune in Turkey and yet you can hardly compare Turkey to Somalia or Libya.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: LordBerenger on March 13, 2016, 08:47:59 pm
100 bucks he blames it on the Kurds.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 13, 2016, 08:49:27 pm
The EU had already vouched billions to Erdogan, yet still they came. He has little interest in stopping the mass migration of refugees, but he has alot of interest in extorting money from the crumbling EU. I saw a video lastnight I can't verify its authenticity but it purports to show Turkish coastcards prodding a dinghy full of refugees in the direction of Greece. Of course they denied this, but they would, wouldn't they. Even if Erdogan is actually interested in reducing the flow of refugees to Europe, his country is so corrupt he couldn't control his borders even if he wanted to. Hell people smugglers are making a fortune in Turkey and yet you can hardly compare Turkey to Somalia or Libya.

Saw the video too. But mine was titled "Turkish coastguard preventing refugees from crossing over to Greece, but see for yourself how", which was basically all about the harsh treatment, not letting them make it to Greece.

I am betting Tardogan will be, as he has been, trying to hold them back with true intention to do so. Because staying in EU's good graces, the money extortion, and the false visa promises all give him a showtime before his crowd.

And anyway, let's at least agree that his primary use for the EU is just that (keeping refugees at bay) at the moment. Whether he is doing a good job at that or not is another discussion topic.

100 bucks he blames it on the Kurds.

Tbh, I am waiting for that to happen too. It's not even something to bet on anymore.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 13, 2016, 08:59:44 pm
Saw the video too. But mine was titled "Turkish coastguard preventing refugees from crossing over to Greece, but see for yourself how", which was basically all about the harsh treatment, not letting them make it to Greece.

I am betting Tardogan will be, as he has been, trying to hold them back with true intention to do so. Because staying in EU's good graces, the money extortion, and the false visa promises all give him a showtime before his crowd.

And anyway, let's at least agree that his primary use for the EU is just that (keeping refugees at bay) at the moment. Whether he is doing a good job at that or not is another discussion topic.

Tbh, I am waiting for that to happen too. It's not even something to bet on anymore.

I've read another post with the same video claiming that the coastguards were attempting to disable the engine to stop it getting to Lesbos.. Fk knows. That's the problem with the internet, anything can be twisted to fit an agenda with a few words.


Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 13, 2016, 09:02:28 pm
I've read another post with the same video claiming that the coastguards were attempting to disable the engine to stop it getting to Lesbos.. Fk knows. That's the problem with the internet, anything can be twisted to fit an agenda with a few words.

True that. I wouldn't really bet on any of the 3 versions.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: the real god emperor on March 13, 2016, 10:02:51 pm
One day someone I know will die in one of those attacks and I won't be able to do anything about it, just imagine.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 13, 2016, 10:07:38 pm
One day someone I know will die in one of those attacks and I won't be able to do anything about it, just imagine.

It's quite sad.. But then I guess we can say the same for people in any nation or city which has already been the target of terrorism. Some are just more at risk than others..
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kirman on March 19, 2016, 11:24:28 am
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35850625


Yet another explosion where i work and hang out with my friends.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: LordBerenger on March 19, 2016, 11:44:54 am
False flag attacks
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 19, 2016, 02:30:24 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35850625


Yet another explosion where i work and hang out with my friends.

Hangout somewhere else brah.
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Kirman on March 19, 2016, 02:53:44 pm
Hangout somewhere else brah.

That's for sure. How about work?
Title: Re: RIP Turkey
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on March 20, 2016, 12:50:25 am
That's for sure. How about work?

Wear body armour.