RIP Turkey

[Christo]

Well, europeans sure care about giving money away to this fucknut, that is one reason to care.

[Daunt_Flockula]

Europe doesn't give a flying fuck about the future of the people who are stuck here with the herd of sheep. Tardogan is instrumental in keeping the Syrians away from precious EU lands, which is the only thing EU countries will be concerned about in the foreseeable long run.

All this pampering, bribing and false promises of lifting visas only boost his foothold. I still can't forget how they even postponed announcement of the mostly negative EU progress report for Turkey right before the elections. Because EU didn't and don't want this nutjob to fuck off. He is useful and he has to stay as long as it is necessary.

[Christo]

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[Murmillus_Prime]

Europe doesn't give a flying fuck about the future of the people who are stuck here with the herd of sheep. Tardogan is instrumental in keeping the Syrians away from precious EU lands, which is the only thing EU countries will be concerned about in the foreseeable long run.

All this pampering, bribing and false promises of lifting visas only boost his foothold. I still can't forget how they even postponed announcement of the mostly negative EU progress report for Turkey right before the elections. Because EU didn't and don't want this nutjob to fuck off. He is useful and he has to stay as long as it is necessary.

He's instrumental in fact that there are refugees in the first place.

[Tibes]

How is he instrumental in that fact? Despite him being a complete moron, sofar the only region he is furiously trying to ruin is the one he is currently in charge of. He didnt really do anything to Syria, Iraq or Afganistan.

[Murmillus_Prime]

How is he instrumental in that fact? Despite him being a complete moron, sofar the only region he is furiously trying to ruin is the one he is currently in charge of. He didnt really do anything to Syria, Iraq or Afganistan.

Really? Do you even know why he's been coming down on the media? One of the reasons are because they are reporting his atrocities against the Kurds. Another is that Turkish journalists have been uncovering Turkish security forces complicitcy in arming the Syrian rebels linked with AL-Qaeda. There is a whole lot more to say but I shouldn't have to. Maybe you'd like to quote my paragraph in your next post too just so I can be certain you're post is aimed at me.

[Tibes]

Yeah. Man there is waaaay to many reasons he's been coming down on the media.  And majority of the Kurds he is trying to murder are in Turkey. His own area. And I wouldnt even be suprised if he did collaborate with Al-Qaeda in Syria. But thats still not enough to claim that he is one of the main reasons for the shitstorm there. His negative affects outside of Turkey are still minimal.

Being a moron that he is. He might have even been unaware that they were linked to Al-Qaeda. Happened to everyone. West armed rebels to fight terroists so that they dont have to send their own troops in. Rebels join terrorist organizations. Everyones screwed.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Yeah. Man there is waaaay to many reasons he's been coming down on the media.  And majority of the Kurds he is trying to murder are in Turkey. His own area. And I wouldnt even be suprised if he did collaborate with Al-Qaeda in Syria. But thats still not enough to claim that he is one of the main reasons for the shitstorm there. His negative affects outside of Turkey are still minimal.

But he is one the main reasons for the perpetuation of the conflict. His border has been one of the most porous throughout the Syrian war, thousands, tens of thousands of fighters from all over Europe and Turkey have been flooding through Turkey to Syria. Erdogan has been arming and funding ethnic Turkmen on the borders to fight Assad and has more interest in stiffling the Kurds than he does Daesh. Also Russia has provided proof multiple times showing Turkey having Daesh oil transported through its checkpoints, so not only is he sympathising with, funding and arming jihadi's he's buying Daesh's oil. One of reasons put forward by observers for his downing of the Russian SU-24 was that it was bombing the ethnic Turkmen he's heavily invested resources into. Turkey, like other sponsors of the conflict in Syria are neck deep in culpability.

[Tibes]

Heh. Thats actually likely. He considers Kurds to be a bigger threat. But hes not disrupting the entire region. He's only supporting Daesh aslong as they keep the Kurds on their toes. He doesnt care about disrupting Syria, Afganistan or Iraq for that matter.

But I have my serius doubts about that plane downing however. Russia has never had any respect over borders. Last year there were over 104 cases where Russias planes broke Nato airspace. Not to mention the times that their navy broke it aswell. I assume they figured nothing would happen if they broke Turkey's too.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Heh. Thats actually likely. He considers Kurds to be a bigger threat. But hes not disrupting the entire region. He's only supporting Daesh aslong as they keep the Kurds on their toes. He doesnt care about disrupting Syria, Afganistan or Iraq for that matter.

But I have my serius doubts about that plane downing however. Russia has never had any respect over borders. Last year there were over 104 cases where Russias planes broke Nato airspace. Not to mention the times that their navy broke it aswell. I assume they figured nothing would happen if they broke Turkey's too.

There has been a sort of unwritten rule that minor airspace violations do not provide a case for shooting down an aircraft. This was to ensure that no minor airspace violation turns into the match that lights the fuse that triggers a widescale conflict between NATO and Russia, and a world war. Erdogan recklessly brushed that possible outcome aside and did it anyway. Erdogan the hypocrite who's own airforce have violated against their wishes Greek airspace thousands of times.  Who has violated Syrian and Iraqi airspace and has even moved his armed forces into both Syria and Iraq in contravention of international law, and he did this SINCE shooting down the Russian bomber. If Putin had behaved similarly to Turkey the Turkish forces in Iraq/Syria would have been obliterated by now and Turkey and Russia would be in the midst of an all out war probably dragging the rest of the world into it... I can comfortably state that Putin is far more level headed than Erdogan despite their similarities. If Putin were Erdogan we'd either be dead right now or talking in the talk to ourselves in some ruins.

On the topic of Kurds.

"Turkey declares indefinite curfew for 2 more Kurdish towns "

https://www.rt.com/news/335436-turkey-kurds-curfew-military/

[Daunt_Flockula]

He's instrumental in fact that there are refugees in the first place.

For EU, he is currently and primarily instrumental in terms of holding refugees back. What else is there? All the other details you listed in the next post concern only Turkey. It is shit we have to deal with on our own (or rather left alone to deal with on our own).

Of course, if secular Turkey as we know it bites the dust (which is actually in the works), the inferno will leap onto the Balkans and from there into Europe. In that case, EU will need a Trump to build a wall. But nobody seems to worry about this fact so far.

[Murmillus_Prime]

For EU, he is currently and primarily instrumental in terms of holding refugees back. What else is there? All the other details you listed in the next post concern only Turkey. It is shit we have to deal with on our own (or rather left alone to deal with on our own).

Of course, if secular Turkey as we know it bites the dust (which is actually in the works), the inferno will leap onto the Balkans and from there into Europe. In that case, EU will need a Trump to build a wall. But nobody seems to worry about this fact so far.

The EU had already vouched billions to Erdogan, yet still they came. He has little interest in stopping the mass migration of refugees, but he has alot of interest in extorting money from the crumbling EU. I saw a video lastnight I can't verify its authenticity but it purports to show Turkish coastcards prodding a dinghy full of refugees in the direction of Greece. Of course they denied this, but they would, wouldn't they. Even if Erdogan is actually interested in reducing the flow of refugees to Europe, his country is so corrupt he couldn't control his borders even if he wanted to. Hell people smugglers are making a fortune in Turkey and yet you can hardly compare Turkey to Somalia or Libya.

[LordBerenger]

100 bucks he blames it on the Kurds.

[Daunt_Flockula]

The EU had already vouched billions to Erdogan, yet still they came. He has little interest in stopping the mass migration of refugees, but he has alot of interest in extorting money from the crumbling EU. I saw a video lastnight I can't verify its authenticity but it purports to show Turkish coastcards prodding a dinghy full of refugees in the direction of Greece. Of course they denied this, but they would, wouldn't they. Even if Erdogan is actually interested in reducing the flow of refugees to Europe, his country is so corrupt he couldn't control his borders even if he wanted to. Hell people smugglers are making a fortune in Turkey and yet you can hardly compare Turkey to Somalia or Libya.

Saw the video too. But mine was titled "Turkish coastguard preventing refugees from crossing over to Greece, but see for yourself how", which was basically all about the harsh treatment, not letting them make it to Greece.

I am betting Tardogan will be, as he has been, trying to hold them back with true intention to do so. Because staying in EU's good graces, the money extortion, and the false visa promises all give him a showtime before his crowd.

And anyway, let's at least agree that his primary use for the EU is just that (keeping refugees at bay) at the moment. Whether he is doing a good job at that or not is another discussion topic.

100 bucks he blames it on the Kurds.

Tbh, I am waiting for that to happen too. It's not even something to bet on anymore.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Saw the video too. But mine was titled "Turkish coastguard preventing refugees from crossing over to Greece, but see for yourself how", which was basically all about the harsh treatment, not letting them make it to Greece.

I am betting Tardogan will be, as he has been, trying to hold them back with true intention to do so. Because staying in EU's good graces, the money extortion, and the false visa promises all give him a showtime before his crowd.

And anyway, let's at least agree that his primary use for the EU is just that (keeping refugees at bay) at the moment. Whether he is doing a good job at that or not is another discussion topic.

Tbh, I am waiting for that to happen too. It's not even something to bet on anymore.

I've read another post with the same video claiming that the coastguards were attempting to disable the engine to stop it getting to Lesbos.. Fk knows. That's the problem with the internet, anything can be twisted to fit an agenda with a few words.