RIP Turkey

[Daunt_Flockula]

Check this link out (I am sorry, the videos are not embeddable). Especially the second video. It is clearly seen. Meanwhile, disinformation already started. They have already found a false victim to say: "He mistook me for a protester. I was just shopping. And it is ok. I understand his anger."

http://haber.sol.org.tr/devlet-ve-siyaset/basbakanin-yumruklu-saldirisindan-yeni-goruntuler-haberi-92500

[Angantyr]

We see the same policy of increased privatization anywhere in the neoliberal world, and the inherent loss of workers' rights that follows, numerous similar experiences in spite.

Textbook class warfare, waged mainly by the privileged classes.

[Kafein]

We see the same policy of increased privatization anywhere in the neoliberal world, and the inherent loss of workers' rights that follows, numerous similar experiences in spite.

Textbook class warfare, waged mainly by the privileged classes.

Has privatization anything to do with this? I only see a lack of security measures and authoritarianism. There would be a lack of security measures if those mines were run by the government too.

[Angantyr]

Yes, if you look closer into the case working conditions became ever worse following broad privatization in the mining sector. 'Efficiency' the clergy often calls it, which mainly means redistribution - more for the top and less for the bottom.
The god-given merits of privatization that form our governments' policies have long been disproven by social and economic studies, but our politicians still pursue it, for reasons that should by now be obvious. Government-run businesses are not necessarily more effective (studies show that it goes both ways) but there's an almost universal tendency that these are among the few institutions where profit does not necessarily take precedence over all else. Areas where at least Europe has a history of having much better outcomes from state-sector management is areas like communication, traffic (usually railroads), education, welfare and hospitals etc. ie. sectors that affect the common good.

edit: privatized of course doesn't mean entirely free of of the state sector, usually it means that a company is receiving serious state sponsorship, or welfare if you will, like most of the world's biggest companies, corporate state-capitalism.

[Daunt_Flockula]

Has privatization anything to do with this? I only see a lack of security measures and authoritarianism. There would be a lack of security measures if those mines were run by the government too.

In Turkey's case, mass privatization meant, as the prime sinister has always been daftly pointing out, ridding the state of a lot of burden (state-insured employment, audits, what little cost there was to run them etc.). Ffs, those shameless bastards privatized even hundreds of small streams in a country where, despite the abundance of water sources, availability of potable water is becoming a growing concern every single day.

They privatized the entire telecommunication system to one single company, which has almost no alternatives and does not give a single damn about your internet connection issues.

Do you really expect them to care at all about security measures and the likes of that? They certified that goddamned mine. They found it to be suitable for operation. Do you think they were presented with a safe environment to begin with? Of course not. It was "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours". That bundle of sticks hands out bags of coal to poverty-stricken citizens fresh out of that very mine and scores of others in return for their votes.

For the last ten years I doubt that even a single public bid went unrigged. The recent wiretapped calls from earlier this year prove how he discusses how much "lion's share" that bastard wants from a specific bid. Courts award verdicts against constructions in natural sites. The cabinet quickly promises them that environmental impact assessments and such trivial stuff don't matter at all. Constructions start and go on despite verdicts.

You could say it is authoritarianism and unprecendented corruption. But privatization was what allowed him to grow this shameless. It was also what attracted buttlicking liberalist's votes (no offense anybody, I am strictly talking about the Turkish liberalist front here). Under the former good old public model, there was no way he could cause so much damage. So, it is the goddamn privatization indeed.

[Kafein]

Yes, if you look closer into the case working conditions became ever worse following broad privatization in the mining sector. 'Efficiency' the clergy often calls it, which mainly means redistribution - more for the top and less for the bottom.
The god-given merits of privatization that form our governments' policies have long been disproven by social and economic studies, but our politicians still pursue it, for reasons that should by now be obvious. Government-run businesses are not necessarily more effective (studies show that it goes both ways) but there's an almost universal tendency that these are among the few institutions where profit does not necessarily take precedence over all else. Areas where at least Europe has a history of having much better outcomes from state-sector management is areas like communication, traffic (usually railroads), education, welfare and hospitals etc. ie. sectors that affect the common good.

I absolutely agree as long as we are talking about sectors where either market forces don't work (transport, communications etc.), either there are long term concerns (water, energy etc.), or financial efficiency shouldn't be the main goal (justice, education, health etc.).

Mining however, is not completely like that. There are very important environmental concerns but it's not renewable hence doesn't require careful stock management. Although there is a rather high barrier to entry, free market competition applies well to minerals.

In my opinion it's the corruption that allowed such disastrous privatization, not the other way around. It's incredibly easy to sell the country's entire telecom to a friend when checks are inexistent. Private management in general is not wrong or worse because such things can happen. What happened in Turkey is just a veneer of liberalism on top of a pile of garbage. The corruption inside the good old public model is just smaller scaled, yet more institutionalized. Friends get pseudo-jobs from which they can't be fired. Nobody cares about safety, efficiency or service either, because it's nobody's personal interest in a public company. And this is also much harder to get rid of. As far as I know, no country on earth ever managed to have a public workforce with a work ethic.

[Christo]

'Erdogan did not punch me,' says Soma resident

Intimidation, and bribery. That's probably what changed his story in the end.

Soma incident is truly the biggest failure so far, much much worse than Gezi park. Hope you can overthrow these fuckers and restore your shattered reputation.

Caught on camera: Turkish PM vents frustration over mining accident with anti-Semitic violence. Calls protester 'Israeli sperm'

[Daunt_Flockula]

I am sure it was mostly intimidation. Stuff like this has become common. This stonehead either says foul stuff or physically attacks people. Afterwards you listen to the victim's angry words. Very soon after, the victim will publicly take back everything and tell you the opposite. In this case, they made this man say "He didn't even attack me. He was trying to protect me from his angry mob of bouncers." How ridiculous could things get?

As for the words "Israeli sperm"... Well, the prime bigot actually said that. And seeing that bridge troll actually use those words as an insult at a time of anger made me realize one thing. All along, I believed that his entire antisemitic discourse was a tool to manipulate his mindless illiterate puppet of a follower crowd. I thought he was clever. I thought he was just creating a pleasant illusion for his peasants. But seeing how he candidly uses those words at a time of distress makes it clear that this man is in no way clever. He obviously fully believes in the antisemitic bullshit (global jewish campaign against the rising success of Turkey blah blah blah endless fucking blah) he has been muttering around. This guy, I tell you, is a true retard. He is an insane man that should be locked in a padded cell, let alone trusting him with a nation.

I suppose you have heard about the endless scandals involved in the recent local elections (more than 1 thousand incidents reported against his party). At this time, we are basically and essentially stripped from our right to vote. Our votes and the ballot box don't mean shit. We have experienced it first hand that these guys will practice any dirty trick written in the book of ruse possible, when it comes to manipulating election results. And the recent local elections were not the only occasion on which they were caught red handed but carried on with their manipulated results anyway. So, I don't really have much hope for restoring this nation's reputation. We are perfectly screwed and being held captive by a mad man. We are in deep shit.

[Christo]

Yeah, I have heard about the ballots being thrown out that didn't go for AKP, et cetera et cetera..

[Kafein]

If real politics were like Democracy 3, Erdogan would have died 50 times already.

[Kirman]

This is why i don't want to live in Turkey anymore. All those idiots will keep voting Erdogan...


Few weeks later the accident where 301 miner died

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They did the same thing in 2012. An earthquake and a children who were still alive under the wreckage cause there was a dead person on him. Then the kid died at hospital. Look what they have done after few months.

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[Christo]

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[Daunt_Flockula]

My name is Tardogan,


I am a big fat charlatan,


I tell them lies inhuman,


And tales of turban,


And it suffices to chill my herds of partizan!

[Christo]

US embassy issued a warning two days ago to this area for a possible terrorist attack
http://turkey.usembassy.gov/mobile/sm-031116.html#.VuS8BVBriBk.twitter

Guess your media was too busy taking over other outlets to care about this.

[Daunt_Flockula]

Who cares Christo? There is almost 100% media domination. A brodcast/publishing ban was issued only minutes later. Social media sites are locked up thanks to the entire internet infrastructure belonging to a monopoly.

Tomorrow, Tardogan will step up and mumble shit about cursing terrorism. He will brag about how nobody should test the patience of great Turkey. And that will be the end of it. The sheep will continue to love him. Hell they will love him even more. Because the stupidity of your average snackbarist Turk is unmatched. It's beyond human comprehension.