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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sniger on April 05, 2014, 08:06:43 pm

Title: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Sniger on April 05, 2014, 08:06:43 pm
I think that donkeys should be in a special "cRPG deity" (in lack of better name :p) clan. They should not attend the strat as regular clan.

One could claim that some may abuse their position for meta-info and similar personal gain.

And this question will always "hang" only because we are all gamers and we all know how gamers think. To make it clear, im not at all making any accusations, but i know for fact that it can happen and if it havent happend yet in cRPG, it will sooner or later.

What exact info does admins/mods have access to both strat-wise but also player account wise?
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Osiris on April 05, 2014, 08:10:38 pm
I cant think of any devs that are active in strat
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Teeth on April 05, 2014, 08:13:46 pm
Bring back the Illustrious Rocketeer Corps
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Sniger on April 05, 2014, 08:14:55 pm
Perhaps we could see a screenshot of admin options and what they can see when viewing players on the website? Also strat
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 05, 2014, 08:26:51 pm
Devs don't play for the most part.

Admins can't see anything more than a regular player on the strategus website. They have no advantage over regular players.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Tennenoth on April 05, 2014, 08:29:08 pm
Wha..? Sod off.

We can't see anything more than anyone else when it comes to strategus.

Admins can't see anything more than a regular player on the strategus website. They have no advantage over regular players.

Well, that basically.

To address "player account wise" - We have access to everything that we need to do our jobs.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Sniger on April 05, 2014, 08:33:04 pm
Devs don't play for the most part.
lies  :P

Admins can't see anything more than a regular player on the strategus website. They have no advantage over regular players.

cool ok but what about the player-accounts then?
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Tor! on April 05, 2014, 08:35:52 pm
Did you initially want to name this thread Admins & Devs in Nordmen?
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Thomek on April 05, 2014, 08:40:10 pm
What are you smoking? Gimme some!
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Rhaelys on April 05, 2014, 08:40:35 pm
Who the fuck even cares
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Nessaj on April 05, 2014, 08:49:03 pm
There's nothing to be worried about, if anyone steps out of bound they would lose their access.

Plus no one can spy on anyone in Strategus, literally only harald and chadz can and both of them do not play Strategus.

The only thing something like this would achieve is that all admins/devs etc would be playing under pseudonyms in their clans, like they do in a lot of major games (not all though).
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Dexxtaa on April 05, 2014, 08:51:14 pm
I think that donkeys should be in a special "cRPG deity" (in lack of better name :p) clan. They should not attend the strat as regular clan.

One could claim that some may abuse their position for meta-info and similar personal gain.

And this question will always "hang" only because we are all gamers and we all know how gamers think. To make it clear, im not at all making any accusations, but i know for fact that it can happen and if it havent happend yet in cRPG, it will sooner or later.

What exact info does admins/mods have access to both strat-wise but also player account wise?

Because the devs and admins aren't playing this game for fun. Also remember they're on a regular salary when playing this game, because this mod isn't free nor dependent on volunteers and community service.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Miwiw on April 05, 2014, 08:54:40 pm
Did you initially want to name this thread Admins & Devs in Nordmen?

I believe we had a similar topic before, that was some time ago tho when Nordmen was very active, in both strat and crpg.

A clan with admins as members or even dev has no advantages. Obviously. There's not even a ground to discuss that...:P
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Delson on April 05, 2014, 09:11:43 pm
Who the fuck even cares

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Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Rhaelys on April 05, 2014, 09:16:48 pm
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And this is about strat and player accounts. Try again.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: San on April 05, 2014, 09:17:55 pm
Chaos has a strat faction?  :lol:
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Kafein on April 05, 2014, 09:22:06 pm
Something vaguely similar happened. But that was like, before I started playing this mod. An age of myths and legends only the trees and rocks on field by the river can remember.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Tydeus on April 05, 2014, 10:03:50 pm
I have a feeling this thread was made with me in mind(I'm the only proactive NA "dev" in strategus), so here's some additional information for you.

For NA, administrators have access to server logs, player lookups(not to be confused with an account lookup, which only Canary has), character rename stuff, and ban history. Item Balancers have the same access as normal admins, except they have access to the item balance forum as well as the in game damage reporter. I have SVN access, which lets me access all the files for the module system(not to be confused with anything relating to the website or the database, that is Harald or chadz alone). No one has access to things that they'd even be able to use to gain any real advantages.

As for me personally, there is literally nothing I could do to give myself some sort of edge, (assuming I was even pathetic enough to try something) that wouldn't be blatantly obvious. Anything I do through SVN leaves logs that are easily sifted through. Still, wouldn't you think that if I was going to abuse my power, I'd address the fact that my account only has a total of 200K crpg gold for my 7 characters? Yet I don't even have any special privileges that I could use to change this if I wanted to. Aside from cmp, chadz and harald, no one else in this whole community even has access to things that would allow themselves to gain any sort of edge.


Edit: Seriously though, what a bullshit, selfish suggestion. Maybe when you can say something like this as an admin/dev yourself, you might manage to come across as something other than a spoiled brat.  :|
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Ganner on April 05, 2014, 10:05:58 pm
Chaos has a strat faction?  :lol:

At this point i think we have 4-5 of them.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Sniger on April 05, 2014, 10:27:19 pm

tnx buddy, all i wanted to know.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Angantyr on April 06, 2014, 12:49:56 am
Something vaguely similar happened. But that was like, before I started playing this mod. An age of myths and legends only the trees and rocks on field by the river can remember.
Vincenzo, my old friendcher of the mythic age.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Artyem on April 06, 2014, 01:18:43 am
I don't think any of the newer admins (in NA at least) even have player lookup, since Meow hasn't been around to supply it.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Kadeth on April 06, 2014, 02:21:14 am

As for me personally, there is literally nothing I could do to give myself some sort of edge, (assuming I was even pathetic enough to try something) that wouldn't be blatantly obvious.

So are you denying using "Free Name Changes!" as an incentive for mercs to sign up for your side in a recent strat battle against me? There are some screenshots in another thread.

I would think that is exactly the kind of behavior the OP is referring to.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: HarunYahya on April 06, 2014, 02:33:13 am
Who the fuck even cares
This,seriously...
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Tydeus on April 06, 2014, 02:44:53 am
So are you denying using "Free Name Changes!" as an incentive for mercs to sign up for your side in a recent strat battle against me? There are some screenshots in another thread.

I would think that is exactly the kind of behavior the OP is referring to.
Things are making much more sense now. Not only was it a joke, I obtained fewer mercs in that strat battle than any of the other battles we've had. I figure, if you're going to jokingly put shit like "sign up for us because tydeus destroyed this mod", I'm at least entitled to such a trifle joke as that.

If you honestly think I accepted some name changes that shouldn't have been accepted, due to that battle, feel free to have an admin check the logs. Find the battle, link the battle to the admin, he can search server logs for the correct player names, then search the player names in the namechange log.

On a side note, you have had more people on your roster in every-single-battle, so you don't even have room to be complaining about anything to begin with.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Kadeth on April 06, 2014, 04:00:53 am
Things are making much more sense now. Not only was it a joke, I obtained fewer mercs in that strat battle than any of the other battles we've had. I figure, if you're going to jokingly put shit like "sign up for us because tydeus destroyed this mod", I'm at least entitled to such a trifle joke as that.

If you honestly think I accepted some name changes that shouldn't have been accepted, due to that battle, feel free to have an admin check the logs. Find the battle, link the battle to the admin, he can search server logs for the correct player names, then search the player names in the namechange log.

On a side note, you have had more people on your roster in every-single-battle, so you don't even have room to be complaining about anything to begin with.

For starters, I haven't put anything in the briefing messages like that. I can't control what other members of the faction are putting in there (I don't think so anyway? First strat I've participated in). Sorry if that offended you anyway; I actually like most of the changes you've made to this mod.

I wasn't complaining either; just pointing out an example of what I think the OP was talking about. Whether it was a joke or not, you offered a service that a standard player can't provide, which would certainly impact the number of mercs that apply for your side. Even if 5 people took it seriously, it's 5 mercs you may not have had otherwise.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Sniger on April 06, 2014, 09:32:41 pm
I would think that is exactly the kind of behavior the OP is referring to.

yup, that too! just be a little creative, then im sure admin tools/options can be used for something!  :twisted: :P
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Jacko on April 06, 2014, 09:49:07 pm
All dem admin and dev aboozers.

Only the main overlords have power to change anything in strat.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: karasu on April 06, 2014, 09:53:21 pm
Nice try op.

Try harder next time. GG no re.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Nessaj on April 06, 2014, 10:48:53 pm
Need more admins and devs posting in this thread.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Fips on April 06, 2014, 10:59:16 pm
wutwut
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on April 06, 2014, 11:00:55 pm
Need more admins and devs posting in this thread.

You don't control me!

#fightthepowerohwaitwhat
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Gurnisson on April 06, 2014, 11:04:09 pm
I only posted here because Nessaj paid me in looms
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Joseph Porta on April 06, 2014, 11:08:59 pm
Fucking admins and their abuse (
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Munin on April 06, 2014, 11:12:00 pm
Need more admins and devs posting in this thread.

1. Dig a deep hole
2. Throw some loompoints there
3. Wait till some mofos are lured into that hole, in good case you get some admins and devs too (wondering what is the ruckus and if there is anything to ban).
4. Fill 3/4 of the hole with gasoline
5. Ignite the cigarette lighter   
6. Savour the moment
7. Throw the lighter into a hole
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Nessaj on April 06, 2014, 11:23:23 pm
1. Dig a deep hole
2. Throw some loompoints there
3. Wait till some mofos are lured into that hole, in good case you get some admins and devs too (wondering what is the ruckus and if there is anything to ban).
4. Fill 3/4 of the hole with gasoline
5. Ignite the cigarette lighter   
6. Savour the moment
7. Throw the lighter into a hole

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Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 06, 2014, 11:57:53 pm
1. Dig a deep hole
2. Throw some loompoints there
3. Wait till some mofos are lured into that hole, in good case you get some admins and devs too (wondering what is the ruckus and if there is anything to ban).
4. Fill 3/4 of the hole with gasoline
5. Ignite the cigarette lighter   
6. Savour the moment
7. Throw the lighter into a hole

Have you told your therapist about these urges?  :|
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Bars on April 07, 2014, 12:24:28 am
Revolution!!!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: //saxon on April 07, 2014, 01:34:24 am
you will never take Cmpx away from us! he is ours!

all he pizzas are for are us to enyoy
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Nessaj on April 07, 2014, 01:38:43 am
chadz was the worst Nord, we were the last to know everything :( plus he often ruined our plans with Strat changes. Made okiN GTX too!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: MURDERTRON on April 07, 2014, 02:24:22 am
One thing at a time, Sniger.  Let's get Thomek's admin removed, then we can move on to the next thing.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: //saxon on April 07, 2014, 03:13:44 am
One thing at a time, Sniger.  Let's get Thomek's admin removed, then we can move on to the next thing.
lol

chadz was the worst Nord, we were the last to know everything :( plus he often ruined our plans with Strat changes. Made okiN GTX too!

(click to show/hide)
chadz was always hiding on a secret character too, only a few of us knew the name  :rolleyes:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Tydeus on April 07, 2014, 04:51:01 am
chadz was always hiding on a secret character too, only a few of us knew the name  :rolleyes:

(click to show/hide)
Wasn't it the case that the only thing you had to do to figure out who chadz was, was to find which nord was always at the bottom of the scoreboard?  :lol:
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Kafein on April 07, 2014, 01:23:34 pm
Yellow Squares !
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: no_rules_just_play on April 07, 2014, 01:31:59 pm
We should take away the UIF's admins and devs so they can stop giving away vital information!
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Erzengel on April 07, 2014, 01:34:10 pm
I only posted here because Nessaj paid me in looms

I also want looms.  :o
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 07, 2014, 03:26:48 pm
Yellow Squares !

I still think it's funny that "item balancer" is only 1 square even though they have admin powers plus things admins can't access.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: poikakoira on April 07, 2014, 04:51:59 pm
what means "shows player name cheat" when admins play? or something like that
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Tydeus on April 07, 2014, 05:19:53 pm
what means "shows player name cheat" when admins play? or something like that
This, when you hold down the key as an admin.
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If you're an item balancer, pressing that key also enables your damage reporter.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Mae. on April 07, 2014, 05:28:50 pm
so where the fucks my name change
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Prpavi on April 07, 2014, 08:02:40 pm
So many devs and admins posting in this thread, makes you wonder why did they feel the need to post O.o dun dun duuuuuun
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: BlueKnight on April 07, 2014, 08:27:22 pm

(click to show/hide)


171% :O must be cheater
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: LordBerenger on April 07, 2014, 09:36:20 pm
so where the fucks my name change

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Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Rumblood on April 08, 2014, 05:30:56 am
While admins tend to present a united public facing front, many of us have no other ties, value the integrity of the position, and do not hesitate to call someone out in admin communications and you would never see the complaint and may not even notice the consequences.

And would you really want all these power mongers in a single clan to dominate you? (which actually is a laughable prospect)

The actual result of admins being in a variety of clans is that you are far more likely to have an admin present in battle to limit the amount of bullshit.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Dach on April 08, 2014, 06:26:16 am
more yellow squares!!!  :mrgreen:

okay im out...  :arrow:
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Artyem on April 08, 2014, 06:35:51 am
Vagabond Dynasty is led by 3 badmins and a few plebs on strategus, is there a bigger grouping of admins?
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: MURDERTRON on April 08, 2014, 07:23:13 am
Maybe Kesh was right about that secret mega alliance.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Sniger on April 08, 2014, 11:39:18 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 08, 2014, 04:45:04 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory)
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Tore on April 08, 2014, 05:56:00 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_gay
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Phantasmal on April 09, 2014, 01:58:39 am
Vagabond Dynasty is led by 3 badmins and a few plebs on strategus, is there a bigger grouping of admins?

May I petition to join, so we can be even more corrupt?
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Sniger on April 09, 2014, 02:50:01 am
yeah cos we all know that all nerds are 100% honest and also 200% professionel. they havent done anything else than being pro coders and admins for the past 20 years. their work is their pride.

 :lol:

again, no accusations, just the plain simple nature of man
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Nessaj on April 09, 2014, 06:58:23 pm
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Artyem on April 09, 2014, 08:04:16 pm
May I petition to join, so we can be even more corrupt?

Sure thing, it wouldn't be a corrupt faction without at least 4 admins.
Title: Re: Admins & Devs in player-clans
Post by: Thomek on April 09, 2014, 10:23:05 pm
Without about 50% active players as admins Ninja is definitely the most corrupt faction. Problem is that simple gold doesn't interest us.