Macros have been out since the age of cRPG, pretty scrub, but you can get punished for it as well when fighting. Dunno.
I think adapting to the timing of your opponent is better than whatever a pre-programmed input could ever do. Then again, I don't *think* I ever fought someone who abused this, so I can't say whether there are any weird feints that are impossible to see. Doubt it, though.
Go Eu duel server, wont take long...
I only know 2 players who used/ uses macro..and its bad you cant get an advantage with it..
edit: i think almost everyone on eu3 is just an experienced player who knows how to feint...
Just ban all twohanders, I mean why not :rolleyes:
Not sure how the auto-block detection thingy works. But I guess it just detects 3rd party programs that are meddling with the warband.exe. While feint macros only effect your mouse input, making it "invisible" to the scan we have now.
Overall, I think all 3rd party programs enhancing your performance, autoblocker or feint macros are cheating, and using them should be bannable.
You must be new or something. Clearly :rolleyes:
Im not and I know what im talking about :rolleyes: Im not using macros and I have a shitty 10€ mouse ..I can do those "macro" feints with it easily ...
I don't see the point of feint macros anyway, I can already click my mouse faster than what it takes for my character to switch from one attack to another. When you feint too fast, the animations don't play properly and it's not very confusing for the enemy. Unless there's a trick to force the game to show the animations switching appear fast and spazzy, in which case there is a problem. And yes on occasion I've been feeling some people's characters can feint much faster than my character can do at maximum speed, which is weird.
its all about timing,trying things out, practicing, luck..
Im a native player ..im on ludus daily and I know how to feint..So do my clanmates with who I play native ..some of them are able to do those feints and they dont have macros.. :rolleyes:
Imo people who think everyone who has a weird style of feinting is using macros is either mad or jealous..
Why do you people all post random videos from native duel servers when we are talking about cRPG duels /EU3 here, and what do the guys in this video have to do with Qoray Algarn?
And for those feints you don't need a macro + if you got some skill and experience most of those feints are easy to block anyway, I don't see why people complain about things like this.
Maybe there is a handfull of people that uses macros in cRPG, but there are dozens of more important things in this game to look at, in my opinion.
Its the same way u cheat in native as in crpg warlord. Dont matter if it is from native, it displays how it looks like.
Btw this is how it works- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-beJIDOVeQ
Saying that u dont believe ppl are using it is bs, you are not aware how it looks like... :wink:
Its the same way u cheat in native as in crpg warlord. Dont matter if it is from native, it displays how it looks like.
Btw this is how it works- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-beJIDOVeQ
Saying that u dont believe ppl are using it is bs, you are not aware how it looks like... :wink:
I don't understand how macros could be good anyway; wouldn't it make cancelling attacks/feints incredibly hard?No because as soon as you actually press LMB or RMB it interrupts the macro'd sequence and uses your input, as is explained in the video.
Clearly anyone who doesn't see the problem with this is using a macro and should be banned immediately.(click to show/hide)
I can't really see even normal swings that well on EU3, so I'm not sure how that would help if I tried :D. Feints are easy enough to master by mixing up timings yourself imo. I have a really tiny mouse, so it's easy to move, though.
Even if you are able to do it flawlessly on your own, using a macro will still free up a huge load of concentration and improve your vision due to not having to move your camera extremely fast.
You're able to repeat same complex pattern of movements five times in a row in less than 10 seconds, every time that pattern taking exactly same amount of time? Are you a machine?
Qoray obviously is, because he does it all the time, every time and for same amount of time. Flawlessly.
Just chop their heads of with that ultimate technique "noobs" happen to know well: Spam.
Keep range and spam and macro feinter is dead.
Someone should make a macro to ctrl m constantly, because why not?ctrl m is awsome and best way for people to QQ really quickly about you ctrl ming them.
What if I told you that Qoray would tear through you if he uses his longswords solely because you can't deal with the feints.(click to show/hide)
It takes no effort or concentration to quickly alternate between left click and right. I don't know what your sensitivity and DPI settings are like, but my camera barely moves at all when quickly feinting. I use a heavy mouse with a fairly low DPI and it still only requires small amounts of hand movement.Well, I think I use really high sensitivity. Let's see, if I move my mouse about 2.2 cm sideways I will have done a 360, so that is 16 degrees of turning per milimeter of mouse movement. My style of lolpiking requires a lot of movement and if I have to do it for 1,5 hours straight in a Strat battle I would get a sore elbow, so I have moved up my sensitivity, took all the weights and even the weight tray out of my mouse to reduce strain and prevent injuries, hehe.
What if I told you that Qoray would tear through you if he uses his longswords solely because you can't deal with theFTFY. :wink:feintsmacros.
they should have their hands cut off and nailed in the gates of Vienna.
What if I told you that Qoray would tear through you if he uses his longswords solely because you can't deal with the feints.
they should have their hands cut off and nailed in the gates of Vienna.But they don't need hands to use macro anyway - they can run it even with nose :P.
Well, I think I use really high sensitivity. Let's see, if I move my mouse about 2.2 cm sideways I will have done a 360, so that is 16 degrees of turning per milimeter of mouse movement.:shock: Mine's like 30cm for a 360 turn :S
Let's see, if I move my mouse about 2.2 cm sideways I will have done a 360,
Holy fuck, i need to use about 25cm* (to be EXACT) to do a 360.Your hands must hurt after a while.
Holy fuck, i need to use about 25cm* (to be EXACT) to do a 360.
:shock: Mine's like 30cm for a 360 turn :S
Macros are not nearly as effective in cRPG as they are in Native, because feinting in cRPG is slow compared to Native.
People who says feinting is very overrated, I really can't agree with you. Even after all these years, I still feint a lot, because coupled with held wiggles it's one of the best moves for getting past a good opponent's defense (do them in the same moves)
I prefer Atze's macro, it is pretty wellmade.Atze doesn't use macros. He's best melee cRPG player imho. Whatever weapon you give him, he's going to kick ass.
Atze doesn't use macros. He's best melee cRPG player imho. Whatever weapon you give him, he's going to kick ass.
I never saw him with any other class than 2h or polearmer. I doubt he would be dreadful as shielder compared to when he's 2h.He's very experienced player, just give him a weapon and see him slaughter people. I like his playstyle as he keeps the fight intense and adjusts very quickly to the conditions. He pr0, I srs. Must be asian deep inside.
I doubt he would be dreadful as shielder compared to when he's 2h.I saw him playing shielder and I agree he wasn't as dreadful as usual. He was MORE dreadful because people couldn't shoot him. QQ
Your hands must hurt after a while.Nar, I'm used to it. Came from playing fps to c-rpg.
People who says feinting is very overrated, I really can't agree with you. Even after all these years, I still feint a lot, because coupled with held wiggles it's one of the best moves for getting past a good opponent's defense (do them in the same moves)
People who says feinting is very overrated, I really can't agree with you. Even after all these years, I still feint a lot, because coupled with held wiggles it's one of the best moves for getting past a good opponent's defense (do them in the same moves)
Glory to Thomek, he is the admin EU deserves (and needs)!
I prefer Atze's macro, it is pretty wellmade.
I know, but almost no one in that game is fine with ALL classes, that's almost impossible. I don't expect Atze being a pro at horse archery for example.No, Im not a pro as HA and I dont want to :wink:
Qoray is unbanned.
Both because it would be insane to just ban someone hard with a sudden new rule, and because he really was a good sport about it all. (It was never my intention to keep him banned..)
For now though, I would strongly suggest people that are using macros to stop using them. It's detectable, it's recordable, it's spottable, if you know how it looks. It's also of course bannable. And I will ban macro users for real next time.
Please realize that we are a small community, not some huge game that drowns in cheaters. Using macros is undermining all we have.
For now though, I would strongly suggest people that are using macros to stop using them. It's detectable, it's recordable, it's spottable, if you know how it looks. It's also of course bannable. And I will ban macro users for real next time.How come it's "detectable, recordable, spotable" if you just accused someone and failed with that? I mean, does every player have to have a video of himself playing to not get banned when you "will ban macro users for real next time"?
Macro users are possible to spot with the naked eye. I might be old, but I'm not blind.
It's detectable, it's recordable, it's spottable, if you know how it looks.
Qoray is unbanned.
I will ban macro users for real next time.
the one with Thomek -----> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exG5kZqlSss&feature=youtu.be
How come it's "detectable, recordable, spotable" if you just accused someone and failed with that? I mean, does every player have to have a video of himself playing to not get banned when you "will ban macro users for real next time"?
Listen, I just want us to do something about this macro crap. When people ask me when we are going to start, I thought I'd just try and see what happens. It's been shuffled away under the carpet for too long, I think.
It's not a big problem to record a video at 60 fps and count frames. It's just an awful amount of work.
So you go and ban someone for a personal belief.
Heh, we tried that on NA. Gave someone random admin for a day to ban for text. Worst wiplash you could see.
Stick to rules that are defined, not perceived.
Common sense, duh.
I'm aware I'm sticking my hand in a can of wasps by doing this. But someone has to do it, we, either as players or admins, need to deal with this now. It's just as retarded to pretend something doesn't exist when a lot of people are using it.
Tbh I have no idea if its used at all on NA, so I may look like paranoid idiot to you, but believe me, I was a non-believer for the longest. But sure, keep eating your blue pills.
It's common sense that I can ban someone for a perceived action! HOLY SHIT, SO I CAN SHOOT SOMEONE IF I PERCEIVE THAT THEY MAY HARM ME?!
That's neither common sense, nor a law.(which is apt for this case as an example.)
If it is detectable, then no admin should ban, and only Zagibu(who is the manager/runner of crpg right?) should. Otherwise it should be CMP/chadz like it always has.
Beyond that, stick to the rules you have already. Remember, Innocent until proven Guilty. Never the other way around.
Sure, be the first, but lose your admin for it or give it up. I'm Fine with that. If you can't make any choices from this point forward then I'm content to let you do this. You get your chance, you lose your admin, everyone that has macros learns better.
I'd be MORE with you if it wasn't a "He's using macros I think, BAN HE!" type of thing.
Lol Anders why are you talking like you're a person with power in this community?
I'd prefer admins to crack down on the neon colored weapons being used, that stuff is bullshit.
That's even harder to handle by admins. Both this and macros need to be handled not by admins but by upper management instead(devs or who ever is currently equivalent)
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If chadz was on it, it would be fair? :P
The problem is complicated whoever is chosen/volunteer to try and fix this.
Then, start banning these players:
Kesh_Unicorns
Cirilla_Evil_Witch
Tyjah
El_supreme_EL
Leshma
Nikodin_HRE
GK_Chagan_Arslan
Hrolfr
Varadin_The_Grey
Qoray
etc... etc...
Listen, I just want us to do something about this macro crap. When people ask me when we are going to start, I thought I'd just try and see what happens. It's been shuffled away under the carpet for too long, I think.I mean, if Qoray is not using macros (which I'm really glad to know), who is? Where is the problem?
It's not a big problem to record a video at 60 fps and count frames. It's just an awful amount of work.
Then, start banning these players:
Kesh_Unicorns
Cirilla_Evil_Witch
Tyjah
El_supreme_EL
Leshma
Nikodin_HRE
GK_Chagan_Arslan
Hrolfr
Varadin_The_Grey
Qoray
etc... etc...
Is it bad when I don't care at all but enjoy the drama unraveling? :)
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My own GIF! Time to investigate this drama.
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First of all , I think there are many macro abuser , but in native are more . As I played as 2h everyone said macro user etc.. and I didn`t even know what they mean . If you want to feint , just hold your left mouse button and spam your right mouse button . If someone like Qoray does every time the same feints you can be sure that he uses macro . :D
I think Thomek should keep his adminship. Afterall, he has been the only one to have the balls to actually use the common sense rule when we had people camping rooftops back in the ladder era. Yes, I remember that.
Because he's the hero cRPG deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.
No asu can see in the video i don't bro ;)
First of all , I think there are many macro abuser , but in native are more . As I played as 2h everyone said macro user etc.. and I didn`t even know what they mean . If you want to feint , just hold your left mouse button and spam your right mouse button . If someone like Qoray does every time the same feints you know he`s skilled . :D
Seriously, with a decent mouse, some people can click really fucking fast; It's not cheating just because you can't do it.
There is no way for you to know if someone is using macros or not.
what macro abusers are you talking about, ive not seen any, state names.
what macro abusers are you talking about, ive not seen any, state names.
I fear if I name names, I'm gonna be stripped of my "player title" and that the aforementioned people are going to start recording epileptic videos of themselves playing cRPG.what player title?
I fear if I name names, I'm gonna be stripped of my "player title" and that the aforementioned people are going to start recording epileptic videos of themselves playing cRPG.bull wait for shit
funny how also some1 said that Atze feints are no macros cause he's so experiend m that's true he is, but iam aswell i play for 3 years nothing else then 2hander basicely like him.
ATTACK COUNTER
-Hold -Spam
-Spam -Simple moves
-Simple Moves - Feints
-Feints -Spam
Follow this and no amount of macroing will save your enemy.
Yes, there is a way. Play the game for longer than a year or two, get to know the boundaries of normal gameplay (basically the common sense of experienced players), then analyze why you cant feint more than 3-4 times in one second without fucking up, while some guys can feint more than 5 times in half a sec and does the same combo over and over and over like robots.
I dont believe in guys having +100/200% hand agility/speed than the top brass.
funny how also some1 said that Atze feints are no macros cause he's so experiend m that's true he is, but iam aswell i play for 3 years nothing else then 2hander basicely like him.Someone said that Atze uses macros and I responded that he doesn't. Sorry for not adding ya.
Only works if you know everybody's playstyle or can survive enough hits to test people.
Nice of you to get all elitist and assume that I'm an inexperienced player because I think differently to you (been playing warband since mid 2011).
So again, your argument is "I can only feint 3-4 times in a second, someone else can do more than me; they are cheating". Maybe you're using a shitty mouse that isn't registering your clicks correctly, or maybe you're simply not capable of clicking as fast as some other nerds are. Also, Why wouldn't you use the same combos over and over again if that's what was most effective?
Someone said that Atze uses macros and I responded that he doesn't. Sorry for not adding ya.np
*cough* Skono *cough*
How come it's "detectable, recordable, spotable" if you just accused someone and failed with that? I mean, does every player have to have a video of himself playing to not get banned when you "will ban macro users for real next time"?If someone who is accused to use macros, is makeing a vid of himself, you really think they would then use macros while doing those vids? Not saying this was the case here or Quoray is one of the cheating macro users, point is you cant trust vids made by the accused. You need to catch them in situations where they believe they would not be monitored and make a vid yourself of them.
Im not and I know what im talking about :rolleyes: Im not using macros and I have a shitty 10€ mouse ..I can do those "macro" feints with it easily ...
ok i admit it, i am using a macro to hold my shield up. :oops:
IMHO all macros use should be permaban, but even autoblockers vvho vvere permabanned came back eventually. Is Macrofeints really vvorse than the mods you can use to give you flourescent arrovvs, massive markers on enemy players, neon vveapons vvith arrovvs shovving attack direction, removal of fog, removal of all nonsolid textures (trees bushes haystacks)?
Your bad and an idiot yet still you post in forums: dude go avvay.
BACK ON TOPIC: VVHY should they be banned:
IMHO all macros use should be permaban, but even autoblockers vvho vvere permabanned came back eventually. Is Macrofeints really vvorse than the mods you can use to give you flourescent arrovvs, massive markers on enemy players, neon vveapons vvith arrovvs shovving attack direction, removal of fog, removal of all nonsolid textures (trees bushes haystacks)?
Because all of those excist and are used extensively.
The only solution vvould be to have a reliable system of checking players game files: ANY custom content = permaban.
Back to macro users: There are 3 players I could name that use them day in, day out, in battle and on duel. You can easily spot them, and its as Butan states: Repeated actions, at incredible speed, vvithout ever an error or adjustment of the players stance or head angle. They do give a very large advantage vvhen used a player vvho is good anyvvay, but it really is not trackable unless someone either sits and reads OR makes a program to sift through hours of data records and videos and the advantage is not really more, infact I think less, than you can get from simply modding your game anyvvay. Im pretty sure there is mod that can remove night-time asvvell (Not seen this one myself tbh but have been told)
Your bad and an idiot yet still you post in forums: dude go avvay.
BACK ON TOPIC: VVHY should they be banned:
IMHO all macros use should be permaban, but even autoblockers vvho vvere permabanned came back eventually. Is Macrofeints really vvorse than the mods you can use to give you flourescent arrovvs, massive markers on enemy players, neon vveapons vvith arrovvs shovving attack direction, removal of fog, removal of all nonsolid textures (trees bushes haystacks)?
Because all of those excist and are used extensively.
The only solution vvould be to have a reliable system of checking players game files: ANY custom content = permaban.
Back to macro users: There are 3 players I could name that use them day in, day out, in battle and on duel. You can easily spot them, and its as Butan states: Repeated actions, at incredible speed, vvithout ever an error or adjustment of the players stance or head angle. They do give a very large advantage vvhen used a player vvho is good anyvvay, but it really is not trackable unless someone either sits and reads OR makes a program to sift through hours of data records and videos and the advantage is not really more, infact I think less, than you can get from simply modding your game anyvvay. Im pretty sure there is mod that can remove night-time asvvell (Not seen this one myself tbh but have been told)
ok i admit it, i am using a macro to hold my shield up. :oops:
If someone who is accused to use macros, is makeing a vid of himself, you really think they would then use macros while doing those vids? Not saying this was the case here or Quoray is one of the cheating macro users, point is you cant trust vids made by the accused. You need to catch them in situations where they believe they would not be monitored and make a vid yourself of them.
Also as Buttan hinted towards, there are physical limitations, which allows you to spot macro users and only aslong they break those physical limitations, they do have a clear advantage, otherwise the advantage is just making same patterns flawlessly which still can be an advantage. In terms of strength builds when a restriction like the speed limitations would be broken by macros, the imbalance created is even higher but also easier to be spotted. I think you can get a server side programm going which counts meta data on the users which would hint towards macro users. The list of names then still would need to be monitored and vids be made when they appear on the servers. This is not a small thing which would need to be done, to make it fairly certain the bad apples would be filtered out. The punishment then when all that is done, should be drasticly as they made us use up that energy of programmers which should have been used to make the game better.
Lost your w key much ?His 'w' key ain't working.
Im pretty sure there is mod that can remove night-time asvvell (Not seen this one myself tbh but have been told)
If someone who is accused to use macros, is makeing a vid of himself, you really think they would then use macros while doing those vids? Not saying this was the case here or Quoray is one of the cheating macro users, point is you cant trust vids made by the accused. You need to catch them in situations where they believe they would not be monitored and make a vid yourself of them.How is that relevant to my post though, I think you missed my point actually.
Only works if you know everybody's playstyle or can survive enough hits to test people.
that's true kinngrimm, but i show in the video that those feints work like that without any macros that was the point in this also what thomek told me.Again i am not saying it would not be true what you are saying. Still imagine, someone taking a vid, aslong till he gets it right, the way he wants it to be. Also when someone is making those makros i guess he needs an understanding how these things work, therefor he would have trained that shit anyways already. I would compare it with doping of toure de france participants, they are good without it and even better with it.
i ... feint... like that without any macros...
BlindGuy, respec to 18/24 Glaive and don't worry about your broken w-button!
I think autobalancer wants to switch as few people as possible. So to achieve equal sum on each side it switches the most valuable+ 1 or 2 weaker players to get it accurate.
VVhile this is true, you are follovving too many threads ATM Thomek and have posted in vvrong one you derpy derp :D
Love you. hate you.
Alt+119 for w
When I press alt +119 nothing happens :(
Did you know ivanic had an autoblocker the whole time? The problem is it was made for chivalry medieval warfare.ahahahahah oddio sono volati sputi da quanto ho riso !!!
I know ppl are using macros. If it were a way to detect macros you would get banned qoray, you and a lot of others that use them. Video to prove that ppl are not using macros is crap. Since u got the option to turn em off/on. Sipmply spam ur right while holding left key makes ppl call Thomek a badmin. Spamming that fast feints is no problem, But when your char does abnormal animations/flawless combos ur busted.Fucking stop this obsession man! It's fucking 12 pages of QQ against macroer's of which I found 1 in cRPG and I haven't seen him play for a good few months if not more. I admit that I once thought that Qoray uses macros but if he says that he didn't and tries to prove it however he fucking can, then I believe he doesn't and it's fucking unfair to harass him for something that you can't prove. Your saying that he uses macros is as good as his saying that he doesn't and because he tried to prove it with a vid, he actually brought more reasons for me to consider him not using them than you.
Since devs cant stop macros anyone could grab em and be "hero".
U dont need to buy a expensive mouse to use them, there is softwares that let u program ur mouse/keyboard. Easy to use and high reward ingame. make a good feint program and ur set to go.
Seriously omg...
Fucking stop this obsession man! It's fucking 12 pages of QQ against macroer's of which I found 1 in cRPG and I haven't seen him play for a good few months if not more.
chadz: okay, i'll do it... patch incoming april 1st.Hahaha! A scheduled patch. Good one! :P
jacko: boss, we have a problem. people are complaining about macro feints.
chadz: cmpxchg8b, can you fix it?
cmp: can't bother...
chadz: okay, i'll do it... patch incoming april 1st.
Hahaha! A scheduled patch. Good one! :P
The only schedules we make, are ones that are done 5 minutes ahead of time.
#YOLO, #SWAG, etc, etc...
jacko: boss, we have a problem. people are complaining about macro feints.
chadz: cmpxchg8b, can you fix it?
cmp: can't bother...
chadz: okay, i'll do it... patch incoming april 1st.
I'd say it was a success.. I don't see anyone complaining about macros at the moment :D
I'd say it was a success.. I don't see anyone complaining about macros at the moment :D
Bets are opened; giev us neim.I don't only have the name but also a screenshot where I asked how that guy is doing so quick feints and he replied that it's because he's using macros. cRPG taught me to screenshot these but I won't reveal his name as getting people banned is lame, alse he's not even playing, or at least I haven't seen him play for a long time and dunno if he would use them now.
I think adapting to the timing of your opponent is better than whatever a pre-programmed input could ever do. Then again, I don't *think* I ever fought someone who abused this, so I can't say whether there are any weird feints that are impossible to see. Doubt it, though.