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The circlejerk on EU is quite big, too(Big, as in, EU strat was over before it began because certain diplomatic relations will never end). But i fail to see how a mechanic could actually prevent them from happening. Even if smaller clans would get more out of something, the big clans could just form plenty of small clans that work together to get the max out of their alliances. Also this is the wrong part of the forum for strat talk.
^That is a good idea,
SHOGUNATE SHALL RISE AGAIN MUHAHAHA :D
Strategus right now is exactly like that except it's the big fishes all grouping up together against a few disorganised small fishes.
Any examples of big fishes grouping up against disorganised small fishes (this Strat)?
They can do lots of things:
Scouts, raid traders and villages, be interceptors and lock down enemies - either sell their services if they are good or just help out and get some stuff for it
Send a job application to us :mrgreen:
To what end? What is the goal? Amassing gold? What is that going to get them other than better gear? They need incentive. Big groups get towns, castles, villages, titles, all kinds of notable stuff.
To what end? What is the goal? Amassing gold? What is that going to get them other than better gear? They need incentive. Big groups get towns, castles, villages, titles, all kinds of notable stuff.
Grey Order was started by one guy. It took some time and effort to make it visible on the map - to get first village. It took a lot more time and effort to make it a clan that holds a castle. Holding a city was a dream for a long time, and seemed impossible in the world full of Templars, Mercs and other big clans. And there was far less incentives in first iterations of Strat.
It turned out it that things are difficult, but not impossible. Nothing changed in that respect in Strat 5.
Just get your shit together guys.
what, how is that related to small clans, you are no small clan or are you advising small clans to get more people, because that's not what the discussion was about, or at least what I was saying
I shouldn't advise you this, but the whole eastern part of the map should fill Grandmom & Kinngrimm orders. These two guys are very experienced organizers and great leaders. Do what they tell you and win. You have potential, but first you have to sort out this mess in internal relationships.
BTW - stop QQ - we don't give fuck about your stinky tears - there is no mercy.
FU & good luck.
..... as long as they fight Grey Order and puppets...
...we havent allied to anyone this round and we wont...
I shouldn't advise you this, but the whole eastern part of the map should fill Grandmom & Kinngrimm orders. These two guys are very experienced organizers and great leaders. Do what they tell you and win. You have potential, but first you have to sort out this mess in internal relationships.
BTW - stop QQ - we don't give fuck about your stinky tears - there is no mercy.
FU & good luck.
problem with that is a lot of people don't consider kinn any better than evil UIF :P
problem with that is a lot of people don't consider kinn any better than evil UIF :P
Show me my diplomatic thread :wink:
2nd/1st highest renown value in EU last Strat went to Osiris, a lone wolf for most of the end of Strat.
Renown last start was completely bugged and no reflection all of anything.
@Grandmom and Harpag
Nobody should be forced to ally into a huge block just to compete in Strat. But likewise nobody should be forced to split up a successful alliance just because it became too big.
We had a game that allowed both small and large clans/alliances to compete on a map for over 15months but sadly we threw it away in favour of game where player numbers mean it was over before it even started :(
In other news HRE and Eques are now at war i hear xD so GG Eastern Superfriends, since we all know that at least one of those factions is part of a northern superalliance that will now be totally distracted from the bigger picture unless they demonstrate an uncharacteristic ability to let bygones be bygones and declare peace.This will be a strat to remember :)
Well, if it's just Kalmar and their more reliable friends fighting the fight then it should still be a fight to remember.
In other news HRE and Eques are now at war i hear xD so GG Eastern Superfriends, since we all know that at least one of those factions is part of a northern superalliance that will now be totally distracted from the bigger picture unless they demonstrate an uncharacteristic ability to let bygones be bygones and declare peace.
Well, if it's just Kalmar and their more reliable friends fighting the fight then it should still be a fight to remember.
IMO there should be a limit to around 30-40 players in one clan, and after the 10 month strategus is finished, the clan which controls the most land (cities give 3 points, castles 2, villages 1), gets a free loompoint for every player.
encourages bigger clans to fight amongst themselves.
They'll just create a big faction and invite everybody after they eliminate other folks. It wont work.
yeah, i hate giant alliances tbh, they force smaller clans into wars they don't want to be a part ofWelcome to real world :D
kalmar and half of the other clans in the game attacked us because we're friendly with UIF, like dragging us into their war ...
mega clans suck .. zz
yeah, i hate giant alliances tbh, they force smaller clans into wars they don't want to be a part of
kalmar and half of the other clans in the game attacked us because we're friendly with UIF, like dragging us into their war ...
mega clans suck .. zz
yeah, i hate giant alliances tbh, they force smaller clans into wars they don't want to be a part of
kalmar and half of the other clans in the game attacked us because we're friendly with UIF, like dragging us into their war ...
mega clans suck .. zz
Tell me who forces you to be friendly to us, and he will regret that he was born ^^
who cares small clans ?
be a vassal use diplomacy ; we started bashibazouk with 20 members and made good choices meanwhile we fought best in our alliances battles so people started know our fame.
After 6 months we had 100 members and totally active playing.
but ahhh well.
I shouldn't advise you this, but the whole eastern part of the map should fill Grandmom & Kinngrimm orders. These two guys are very experienced organizers and great leaders.
Grey Order was started by one guy. It took some time and effort to make it visible on the map - to get first village. It took a lot more time and effort to make it a clan that holds a castle. Holding a city was a dream for a long time, and seemed impossible in the world full of Templars, Mercs and other big clans. And there was far less incentives in first iterations of Strat.
It turned out it that things are difficult, but not impossible. Nothing changed in that respect in Strat 5.
Just get your shit together guys.
Grey Order was started by one guy. It took some time and effort to make it visible on the map - to get first village. It took a lot more time and effort to make it a clan that holds a castle. Holding a city was a dream for a long time, and seemed impossible in the world full of Templars, Mercs and other big clans. And there was far less incentives in first iterations of Strat.
It turned out it that things are difficult, but not impossible. Nothing changed in that respect in Strat 5.
Just get your shit together guys.
"Grey Order was started by one guy" one guy with many many CD keys for all we know.
To Eastern Europeans, legal is anything you can get away with.
Oh fucking lol, so your telling us how to play strat are you? GO got caught cheating with the whole CD key thing not once.... but twice.
It nearly wiped you off the map last strat round.
And that was when you got caught, god knows how long you manage to fuck a game like this up and cheat cheat cheat to get what you wanted.
Get our shit together? you mean buy tons of CD keys and win? haha!
You know I have been in coalition last round, and I dont hate anyone of the UIF, except GO.
For ruining the game for every one because GO thinks their entitled to cheat in such a small community based game.
"Grey Order was started by one guy" one guy with many many CD keys for all we know.
I really really do not understand why you would cheat in a modded game like CPRG/strat, whats the enjoyment then? and don't go everyone does, because most do not.
Honestly, its a question i would like to see an answer too.
Is it because exploiting stuff and / or cheating is part of the game for you guys?
nope none of that is true
http://forum.melee.org/strategus-general-discussion/grey-order-strat-announcement/
nope none of that is true
Nothing indeed. The buba's post repeats generally spread lies without a small bit of understanding what really happened and what was the problem. Read the post you mention carefully - it really shows what was the problem.
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And let me add one more thing fort people that do not remember Strat 1 or 2: At that time rules for Strat were forged. Not many things were certain. Many bans were casted for various reasons. Now most of guys learned their lesson and the rules are more or less universal, albeit still unclear in many cases.
It is easy to say "GO are cheaters, UIF guys are evil, they are all exploiters" and dismiss good advice. I will repeat again - get your shit together. The bottom line is - Strat needs dedication, organization and good relations with people. And having that anything is possible.
If lessons were learned and it doesnt happen anymore that's good but you cant pretend it didn't happen.
Fine, but do not forget about the context of the whole story too. Which was not the show of utmost objectivity and transparency.
What annoys me is not the fact that someone brings this well exploited topic again, but that I really wish to encourage newcomers and powers-to-be to fight for it, to work on it because it pays off. And I do not want to let one dickhead to drag the folks attention from that.
well to be fair chadz explained how it was done you just don't believe him :D
I was a newcomer in strat 4, i worked hard, I fought for it, and then found out that a lot of people cheated to get an advantage, and of those people that got hit by the ban wave a fair amount where GO. Call it old hurt but to see a GO telling others to play hard and fair rubbed me the wrong way.
well to be fair chadz explained how it was done you just don't believe him :D
I had admins/a dev check things for me and they found multiple people in NA factions confirmed as multiaccounting who never got banned once their names were given to Meow (the person in charge of banning all that stuff back then)
Infact I still have a saved chatlog from then-
5:25 PM <Shik> I'm pretty sure not just FCC is multi accounting
5:26 PM <Shik> my point is that the rules seem to have a lot of loopholes
5:26 PM <Meow> didn't check anyone else
(the "didn't check anyone else" is referring to only checking UIF factions, fyi)
It was not done "anonymously" as stated, that is for sure. Plenty of people who multiaccounted back then didn't get banned, and there are still people who do it who aren't banned.
I had admins/a dev check things for me and they found multiple people in NA factions confirmed as multiaccounting who never got banned once their names were given to Meow (the person in charge of banning all that stuff back then)
Infact I still have a saved chatlog from then-
5:25 PM <Shik> I'm pretty sure not just FCC is multi accounting
5:26 PM <Shik> my point is that the rules seem to have a lot of loopholes
5:26 PM <Meow> didn't check anyone else
(the "didn't check anyone else" is referring to only checking UIF factions, fyi)
It was not done "anonymously" as stated, that is for sure. Plenty of people who multiaccounted back then didn't get banned, and there are still people who do it who aren't banned.
I had admins/a dev check things for me and they found multiple people in NA factions confirmed as multiaccounting who never got banned once their names were given to Meow (the person in charge of banning all that stuff back then)
Infact I still have a saved chatlog from then-
5:25 PM <Shik> I'm pretty sure not just FCC is multi accounting
5:26 PM <Shik> my point is that the rules seem to have a lot of loopholes
5:26 PM <Meow> didn't check anyone else
(the "didn't check anyone else" is referring to only checking UIF factions, fyi)
2nd/1st highest renown value in EU last Strat went to Osiris, a lone wolf for most of the end of Strat. Currently in EU the 2nd highest renown is another lone wolf.
Incentivise top renown somehow? Because large factions spread out their renown amongst members when stomping, whereas it looks like loners get a higher proportion of it by fighting all their own battles. That looks like sufficient incentive, if a large faction stomps and 'wins' then they've got nothing to do, no renown unless they attack their old allies, whereas anyone who keeps raiding and trolling them after they gain scumbag victory would get crazy amounts of renown.
highest renown went to whoever gear bugged the hardest
Lol, the "didn't check anyone else" was referring to me dipshit - hence the reference to FCC. Then I proved my innocence and was unbanned. Had nothing to do with UIF.