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Title: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Legion_PL on February 17, 2014, 05:05:00 pm
COME ON ! ! !

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/crusader-sword/new/#new

Really ??? :OOO


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Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Miwiw on February 17, 2014, 05:05:56 pm
Did you need an extra thread for this. The sword has nice stats and compared to the Side Sword I would more likely use the Crusader Sword, thanks to a shorter length and 0.1 more weight.  :)
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 17, 2014, 05:13:49 pm
What's the problem?  It's cheaper, hence the 2 less reach and 1 less thrust damage (but it's .1 weight heavier, which is good). 

If they buffed it, there'd be no need for the weapon, since it would just be a different looking side sword.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: San on February 17, 2014, 05:21:51 pm
Blame 1 point making a huge difference. Originally, it was seemingly looking to be an Italian sword clone, lol.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Phew on February 17, 2014, 05:47:30 pm
Blame 1 point making a huge difference. Originally, it was seemingly looking to be an Italian sword clone, lol.

Did you ever find out if non-integer damage stats were an option? Crusader Sword would be the perfect candidate for 29.5 cut.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Tibe on February 22, 2014, 04:55:27 pm
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So its a slightly weaker version of a sidesword that looks different. Dont get what the big deal is. The -2 range does kinda suck, but thats just about it. Imo opinion the stats are rather well placed. So kudos. Also as we can clearly see from the picture, its stab is equivalent of the broad short swords stab. Ever heard anyone complain about the Broad short swords stab being UP? I havent.....
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Tydeus on February 22, 2014, 05:28:22 pm
Did you ever find out if non-integer damage stats were an option? Crusader Sword would be the perfect candidate for 29.5 cut.
It has been stated in the past, it's not an option.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 22, 2014, 05:35:29 pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt crusaders use normal arming sword?
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Nazurdin on February 22, 2014, 10:08:22 pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt crusaders use normal arming sword?
Some crusades took place in 15th century, when swords like this were used.
http://www.myarmoury.com/review_alb_lansem.html
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 23, 2014, 08:54:01 am
Some crusades took place in 15th century, when swords like this were used.
http://www.myarmoury.com/review_alb_lansem.html

That still doesnt differ that much from the arming sword we already have. IMO a crusader kit can be easily made out of heraldic surcoat over mail (or heraldic tunic over mail), shield (optional), weapon, and great helmet (mandatory).
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Tibe on February 23, 2014, 03:08:02 pm
 It is like that with 1h swords. There are only small cosmetic differences. But the more the merrier.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Phew on April 28, 2014, 08:56:35 pm
I just wanted to point out that with the latest nerf to the Side Sword, the Crusader Sword has a niche again.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Soldier_of_God on April 29, 2014, 02:32:38 am
COME ON ! ! !

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/crusader-sword/new/#new

Really ??? :OOO


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-1 stab damage
+2 speed

I've always wanted a espada eslanova but with cut damage instead of pierce.

It would be faster but shorter than italian.
it would hit harder and be longer than espada (which would be stronger still because of the rediculous stab damage)
it would still be an inferior choice to the side sword.

since these are the obviously closest swords as far as function, closest being the italian, that would be the logical statistics. as it is now, it is a complete worthless piece of garbage. its too slow and too short, with low damage, and its expensive.

need i say more?
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 29, 2014, 08:12:16 am
I have never used the thing, but stabby 1H swords are undervalued by a lot of players. In the current battle/siege metagame almost everyone has decent (45+) armor, and 1H stabs are quick and easy to pull off even in tight spaces. I think the crusader sword could use a buff of 1 speed, but I think the main reason it isn't used much is that many players have access to +3 heirloomed weapons that outclass a +0 crusader sword in everything. The +3 version doesn't offer anything special compared to other +3 stabby swords. It isn't worth burning 3 LP to make one when there are other options that cost way less (or are even free through clan armory).
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Phew on April 29, 2014, 03:17:16 pm
I have never used the thing, but stabby 1H swords are undervalued by a lot of players. In the current battle/siege metagame almost everyone has decent (45+) armor, and 1H stabs are quick and easy to pull off even in tight spaces. I think the crusader sword could use a buff of 1 speed, but I think the main reason it isn't used much is that many players have access to +3 heirloomed weapons that outclass a +0 crusader sword in everything. The +3 version doesn't offer anything special compared to other +3 stabby swords. It isn't worth burning 3 LP to make one when there are other options that cost way less (or are even free through clan armory).

The stabby 1h swords have a high ceiling (you can do insane damage on a held head strike with high speed bonus), but a lower floor (well-timed sideswings still glance and get you killed, and when your stabs are blocked you are stunned and left open to be hit). I think many folks are content to be consistent with an Elite Scimitar or something, even if they don't have the capability to 1-shot anyone.

Crusader Sword is pretty balanced with Side Sword now (trades 1p and 2cm for 1c), but has a late Medieval look instead of Renaissance. Renaissance gear doesn't fit well with most armors (only Black Armor and some of the cloth stuff).

To the poster above that wants a "cut Espada", you could say the Liuyedao and Niuweidao kind of fill that niche, although they are Eastern and 3d. I see what you mean though, a European sword in that class would be nice.

Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Phew on April 30, 2014, 06:25:57 pm
If you haven't seen it, Jarold just made sweet new textures for heirloomed versions of the Crusader Sword, to be included in the next heirloom texture pack update. Please donate some gold to him (he has offers on Marketplace) if you'd like to support his work!

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Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: HarunYahya on May 11, 2014, 07:18:40 am
Some crusades took place in 15th century, when swords like this were used.
http://www.myarmoury.com/review_alb_lansem.html
I don't believe it ! Show me a reference.

This sword is designed to pierce plate armors which Ottoman Empire never used. It's like attacking Tanks with Anti-Aircraft weapons.
Maybe it's used in Inner Christian crusades ? Such as Catholics attacking Protestans ? Doesn't make sense neither since Protestan Order came out at 16th century derp.

When and where did crusaders used this anti-armor swords ? I really am curious.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: spiritus on May 15, 2014, 02:55:08 pm
just take a p away from the italion
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Nightmare798 on May 15, 2014, 08:55:52 pm
I don't believe it ! Show me a reference.

This sword is designed to pierce plate armors which Ottoman Empire never used. It's like attacking Tanks with Anti-Aircraft weapons.
Maybe it's used in Inner Christian crusades ? Such as Catholics attacking Protestans ? Doesn't make sense neither since Protestan Order came out at 16th century derp.

When and where did crusaders used this anti-armor swords ? I really am curious.

Just because a sword is very pointy doesnt mean it is designed to pierce plate.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: HarunYahya on May 17, 2014, 08:19:10 am
Just because a sword is very pointy doesnt mean it is designed to pierce plate.
Actually, it does.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: owens on May 17, 2014, 08:33:48 am
Arming swords were designed to damage chain mail!


Yes they are pointy but no one had plate during the first crusades!
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Nightmare798 on May 19, 2014, 01:08:15 pm
Actually, it does.

You know nothing about weapons then.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Umbra on May 19, 2014, 01:41:31 pm
It has been stated in the past, it's not an option.

Why? Float in the engine is a big no no?
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Soldier_of_God on July 16, 2014, 11:26:44 pm
bump
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 17, 2014, 02:37:14 am
I can't say that I have ever seen one on the ground in NA 1. That doesn't mean that it is never being used, but I am a nerd who plays too much and I scavenge 1H for dueling at the end of the round.

The crusader sword is really similar to the italian sword. +3 italian swords exist and are cheaper than hunting down a crusader sword or looming one yourself. In NA at least, the flavor of the month 1H weps seem to be scimitars, axes, and the ever-popular spathovaklion.

Stat-wise the crusader sword doesn't really need a buff... the current metagame (and much cheaper alternative in the italian) make it a rare sight. Thinking of looming one next, what with being a Crusader of Acre and all.  :P
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Phew on July 17, 2014, 02:45:10 pm
Stat-wise the crusader sword doesn't really need a buff... the current metagame (and much cheaper alternative in the italian) make it a rare sight. Thinking of looming one next, what with being a Crusader of Acre and all.  :P

I used a +3 crusader for 4 months or so, nice sword but you really miss the added reach of the Italian when fighting S-keyers. It took me months to trade it for a +3 Italian, so don't overvalue the Crusader if you are trying to get one on the market.

If I'm going to give up reach, it would be for the Grosses Messer or Broad Short Sword; the ~85cm swords are really nice against anyone but S-keyers, agi polearmers, and kick spammers. Unfortunately, most of cRPG melee is one (or all) of those three now.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Soldier_of_God on July 21, 2014, 06:21:40 pm
caman devs, dooo something!
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: San on July 22, 2014, 05:06:37 am
How about a 2h alt mode? No idea about the historical significance of this weapon, though :p

It'll be a more stab oriented langes.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 22, 2014, 08:03:28 am
Cool idea. I just got one +3 today, will test it and give my EXPERT REVEIW. Statwise, the +3 reminds me more of espada than italian sword.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: Phew on July 22, 2014, 04:24:43 pm
How about a 2h alt mode? No idea about the historical significance of this weapon, though :p

It'll be a more stab oriented langes.

Nice idea, although I assume it would look funny since the hilt only has room for one hand.
Title: Re: Buff Crusader Sword LOOOL !!!
Post by: San on July 22, 2014, 04:25:53 pm
If only I could see the model on the site :(