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Title: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Tore on February 15, 2014, 10:25:03 pm
http://www.euronews.com/2014/02/14/far-right-terrorist-breivik-threatens-hunger-strike-for-better-video-games-end-/ (http://www.euronews.com/2014/02/14/far-right-terrorist-breivik-threatens-hunger-strike-for-better-video-games-end-/)

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Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Christo on February 15, 2014, 10:29:28 pm
Hunger strike for games? Are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?

put him on some Hunger Games like TV show.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 15, 2014, 10:38:25 pm
Hunger strike for games? Are you guys thinking what I'm thinking?

put him on some Hunger Games like TV show.

Actually, that would be a good idea!

Let us create a colosseum where criminals fight on conditions defined by severity of their crime, with highest penalty being fighting to death.

That would be a great determent for them.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: AntiBlitz on February 15, 2014, 10:57:51 pm
im blown away at the fact that he is playing video games in a prison.  Prison isnt meant to be a fun vacation, yet you fucks give him a ps2 and Rayman, wow.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 15, 2014, 11:00:07 pm
im blown away at the fact that he is playing video games in a prison.  Prison isnt meant to be a fun vacation, yet you fucks give him a ps2 and Rayman, wow.

Welcome to planet Earth, where greatest scum get most.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: BASNAK on February 16, 2014, 12:07:49 am
Jesus. They only let him have a Playstation 2 when Playstation 4 is out? OH THE HUMANITY. Norwegian savages.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Sniger on February 16, 2014, 02:59:00 am
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Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Sniger on February 16, 2014, 03:03:57 am
starve him to death but tell media he didn't give up the hunger strike so he died
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: musketer on February 16, 2014, 03:30:14 am
I  don't understand Norwegian justice, someone could explain the justice system of Norway plz?
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Sniger on February 16, 2014, 04:06:20 am
its not Norway its the world buddy. we live in a fucked up system build by men to control other men
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: AntiBlitz on February 16, 2014, 06:43:33 am
its not Norway its the world buddy. we live in a fucked up system build by men to control other men

yes but it varies from place to place, where stoning a man in the middle east for looking at a woman is acceptable, giving a man who massacred children a gaming unit is acceptable in Norway.  Cant just blame it on all man kind when man kind varies so vastly from one place to another.  Not to say one place is better then another here, but really, just blown away by the luxuries a man has in a prison.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Xant on February 16, 2014, 08:28:54 am
That would be a great determent for them.
You know the U.S. has a death penalty, right? And its effectiveness as a determent has been found to be questionable at best?

Hell, I bet a lot of people would much rather fight to the death on some arena than be injected with a needle, myself included.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: pingpong on February 16, 2014, 09:56:42 am
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Seriously his cell looks way more comfortable than most single room student apartments i have seen, too bad norwegian system relies on rehabilitation not punishment, rehab doesnt really do justice in his case, seems more like a fucking holiday than imprisonment.

I suggest norway send he ass to russians, maybe pay them to lock him in a dark 4x4 cold concrete cube for the rest of his meaningless life, they know how to deal with rotten scum like he. 
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Xant on February 16, 2014, 10:46:38 am
On the contrary, Breivik thinks he is being tortured and that he can't live under such conditions.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 16, 2014, 11:14:14 am
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Seriously his cell looks way more comfortable than most single room student apartments i have seen, too bad norwegian system relies on rehabilitation not punishment, rehab doesnt really do justice in his case, seems more like a fucking holiday than imprisonment.

I suggest norway send he ass to russians, maybe pay them to lock him in a dark 4x4 cold concrete cube for the rest of his meaningless life, they know how to deal with rotten scum like he.

When I was a student, the room I had I was sharing with three people. There were three chairs, two connected tables, and three bedside tables.
I had to pay a rent and the only crime I commited was attending high-school.

Seriously this fucked up planet.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Boerenlater on February 16, 2014, 11:38:06 am
When I was a student, the room I had I was sharing with three people. There were three chairs, two connected tables, and three bedside tables.
I had to pay a rent and the only crime I commited was attending high-school.

Seriously this fucked up planet.
But you were free to go and stand where you want.

Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Gurnisson on February 16, 2014, 11:38:56 am
continue his torture by giving him crpg :twisted:
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 16, 2014, 11:46:57 am
But you were free to go and stand where you want.

Going outside is overrated.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Angantyr on February 16, 2014, 12:25:19 pm
Poor Breivik.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Xant on February 16, 2014, 01:54:44 pm
How Breivik's cell looks is really very irrelevant, as long as he doesn't have amazing luxuries like jacuzzis and his own chef and servants. Anyone who's been in the military has lived in much worse conditions than Breivik, yet I'm pretty sure they'd much rather be there than in prison.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: BASNAK on February 16, 2014, 02:20:45 pm
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He's actually not a political activist. He tried hacking into the Danish Police records or something stupid like that and got caught. A serious crime.

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Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2014, 02:45:18 pm
Come on, Rayman Revolution is not so bad.


I think he should get Postal 1 and 2
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Clockworkkiller on February 16, 2014, 03:35:29 pm
Fuck him, entitled bastard....

If it were up to me, I'd let him starve to death
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: cmp on February 16, 2014, 03:38:00 pm
Give him Dota 2 and lock server selection to Russia.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2014, 03:47:33 pm
This is hilarous, although let's be fair here, if the rehabilitation system managed to change this man into a productive member of society, then it would be evidence that rehabilitation works.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: musketer on February 16, 2014, 03:56:45 pm
This is hilarous, although let's be fair here, if the rehabilitation system managed to change this man into a productive member of society, then it would be evidence that rehabilitation works.

It doesn't matter if he is rehabilited, a guy who murdered 77 teenagers and before that he blown up a building in the middle of the city like a terrorist will never have any chance to have a normal life.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Christo on February 16, 2014, 04:23:46 pm
Give him Dota 2 and lock server selection to Russia.

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Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: AntiBlitz on February 16, 2014, 04:47:28 pm
It doesn't matter if he is rehabilited, a guy who murdered 77 teenagers and before that he blown up a building in the middle of the city like a terrorist will never have any chance to have a normal life.
as brash as this sounds, musketer has a point, he will forever be an outcast of society, nobody is going to want to associate with someone like him, nor feel safe doing so.

This is hilarous, although let's be fair here, if the rehabilitation system managed to change this man into a productive member of society, then it would be evidence that rehabilitation works.

i wouldnt count on it, even if he was "rehabilitated" as im sure he would claim, would you be alright with the guy living next to you while your children are playing in the front yard?  Even if they put stipulations on him against interacting with children or citizens alike, his imprisonment goes far beyond the cell and im sure will just provoke this guy into another unwarranted attack for his "torture".
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Tibe on February 16, 2014, 04:54:25 pm
If it was up to me, I would suggest that they should put him in a Russian prison or one of those South-American prisons where the inmates have their own cesspoolsociety with the side of daily murders. Or some bad US prison where they will drill his asshole so wide that its size will be equivalent of a moons crater.

He's not even regretting what he has done. He's just like "I got caught, tough shit, now I demand that u take proper care of me forever". His livingconditions are quite good from what ive read. The lesson here is: if you didnt get that luxury cell you wanted when you got to prison, its quite oblivious you didnt murder enough people to earn it.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Prinz_Karl on February 16, 2014, 05:07:13 pm
It's the human right organisations who support mass murderers because of their holy principles that everyone is a human and has to be treated with dignity. Imo this guy can be tortured or whatever, for me he has either dignity nor is he a human for me.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: BASNAK on February 16, 2014, 05:13:09 pm
Hardcore criminals and terrorists don't need rehabilitation. We're not in shortage of humans. They've hurt humanity and they need to pay back by helping. Just killing them doesn't help anyone. Forced labor for the rest of their lives or serve as human experiment subjects is what's needed. There's many fields in science that would be speeded up and improved if we could directly use human subjects. Examples: Anti-virus research in pandemic-outbreaks, A new reference system for car crash testing (currently based on a volounteer), medicine, psychology and transplantations. Just few fields out of many.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on February 16, 2014, 05:14:05 pm
yes but it varies from place to place, where stoning a man in the middle east for looking at a woman is acceptable, giving a man who massacred children a gaming unit is acceptable in Norway.  Cant just blame it on all man kind when man kind varies so vastly from one place to another.  Not to say one place is better then another here, but really, just blown away by the luxuries a man has in a prison.

I am against judging the differences between different places on earth but let's just stop and think here.

What is the point of prison sentence? It is punishing a criminal, isn't it? What do you do when you hand a gaming unit to a mass murderer in prison? Probably you aren't rewarding him but you aren't punishing him either. I mean think about it. The being locked up part aside, many people would be down for sitting on the couch and playing console games all day long and have a meal or two during the day without having to work. He might have screwed up the chance of ever having a normal life but he doesn't look like he is being given an opportunity to think about what he has done under those circumstances anyway.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: sF_Guardian on February 16, 2014, 05:17:15 pm
Hardcore criminals and terrorists don't need rehabilitation. We're not in shortage of humans. They've hurt humanity and they need to pay back by helping. Just killing them doesn't help anyone. Forced labor for the rest of their lives or serve as human experiment subjects is what's needed. There's many fields in science that would be speeded up and improved if we could directly use human subjects. Examples: Anti-virus research in pandemic-outbreaks, A new reference system for car crash testing (currently based on a volounteer), medicine, psychology and transplantations. Just few fields out of many.

Well...  :?
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Miwiw on February 16, 2014, 05:23:15 pm
Give him Dota 2 and lock server selection to Russia.

You should lead a prison. You know how to torture them for sure!
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Spurdospera on February 16, 2014, 05:41:09 pm
Hardcore criminals and terrorists don't need rehabilitation. We're not in shortage of humans. They've hurt humanity and they need to pay back by helping. Just killing them doesn't help anyone. Forced labor for the rest of their lives or serve as human experiment subjects is what's needed. There's many fields in science that would be speeded up and improved if we could directly use human subjects. Examples: Anti-virus research in pandemic-outbreaks, A new reference system for car crash testing (currently based on a volounteer), medicine, psychology and transplantations. Just few fields out of many.
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Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Tibe on February 16, 2014, 06:39:41 pm
You should lead a prison....

He is already doing it.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Lord_Bernie_of_Voodoo on February 16, 2014, 06:54:21 pm
I really want this guy to be shown cRPG. He'll surely love that 15/21 Nomad Bow class
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on February 16, 2014, 06:54:56 pm
he should just be deepthroated by elephants 24/7, stops complaints 100%
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Leesin on February 16, 2014, 07:39:45 pm
If you're gonna kill people in Norway might aswell kill every fucker in sight because you will get the same punishment regardless. I thought the british justice system was a joke but Anders is serving just over 3 months of prison time per person he killed, hopefully someone shoots him in the face when he gets released.

Edit: Also I am aware they can extend his sentence if they feel he is a danger, but he made a point to be declared sane during his trial and over the next two decades he will bullshit his way to freedom. Hopefully  I am wrong though.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: AntiBlitz on February 16, 2014, 10:15:40 pm
I am against judging the differences between different places on earth but let's just stop and think here.

What is the point of prison sentence? It is punishing a criminal, isn't it? What do you do when you hand a gaming unit to a mass murderer in prison? Probably you aren't rewarding him but you aren't punishing him either. I mean think about it. The being locked up part aside, many people would be down for sitting on the couch and playing console games all day long and have a meal or two during the day without having to work. He might have screwed up the chance of ever having a normal life but he doesn't look like he is being given an opportunity to think about what he has done under those circumstances anyway.

so you're agreeing with me?  what was the point in quoting?
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on February 16, 2014, 10:22:47 pm
Basically yes. I am simply agreeing with you. I thought of all of that while reading your post. This is why I felt compelled to quote  :D
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: zagibu on February 16, 2014, 11:20:49 pm
What is the point of prison sentence? It is punishing a criminal, isn't it? What do you do when you hand a gaming unit to a mass murderer in prison? Probably you aren't rewarding him but you aren't punishing him either. I mean think about it. The being locked up part aside, many people would be down for sitting on the couch and playing console games all day long and have a meal or two during the day without having to work. He might have screwed up the chance of ever having a normal life but he doesn't look like he is being given an opportunity to think about what he has done under those circumstances anyway.

Not at all, punishment plays no role. He is imprisoned, because he is dangerous for other people. That's all, really.

And it seems you have no idea about how it is to be in prison. I have been in prison, and the fact that you are no longer free is actually very hard to stomach. I think I would go insane if I had to stay in prison for longer than a week.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Thomek on February 16, 2014, 11:55:04 pm
Just to clarify the situation here..

Basically, Norway didn't have any laws to that could cover such extreme crimes. (Except perhaps for secret wartime laws and such)

The strongest sentence we can give is for murder, max 21 years. There are however laws that can extend his sentence indefinitely, 5 years at a time, if they find he can still be a threat to society. So in practice I'm pretty sure he never gets out.

Again, the rights for prisoners in Norway are meant for normal criminals, but in the eyes of the law, they are all the same.

Just our system was never built or prepared to deal with cases like this. It was simply not imaginable.

Still, I think they are trying to punish him as hard as they can within what the rules allow.. By controlling all communications, daily body inspections, giving him a ps2 with nonviolent children's games, very little human contact etc..  If they break the rules in their punishment, his lawyers will be on it and he will have a little personal victory. This is the last thing they want.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: AntiBlitz on February 16, 2014, 11:56:09 pm
Not at all, punishment plays no role. He is imprisoned, because he is dangerous for other people. That's all, really.

And it seems you have no idea about how it is to be in prison. I have been in prison, and the fact that you are no longer free is actually very hard to stomach. I think I would go insane if I had to stay in prison for longer than a week.

that is the punishment, its meant to give you nothing, starve you of society, make you crave the outside world, make you never want to come back to nothing.  But when the guys has a fucking tv, a nice bunk, and a gaming unit, i dont call it punishment, i just call it displacement. 

prison is simply punishment through mental exhaustion, and hopeful rehabilitation being a by product of it.  Of course this is just my opinion, take it as you will.

Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Tore on February 17, 2014, 12:40:49 am
Give him Dota 2 and lock server selection to Russia.
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Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: zagibu on February 17, 2014, 12:53:15 am
prison is simply punishment through mental exhaustion, and hopeful rehabilitation being a by product of it.
That makes no sense. How can you rehabilitate when you are locked in a cell with nothing to do?

Anyway, rehabilitation in cases like Breivik is probably not worth discussing about.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on February 17, 2014, 12:54:05 am
Not at all, punishment plays no role. He is imprisoned, because he is dangerous for other people. That's all, really.

And it seems you have no idea about how it is to be in prison. I have been in prison, and the fact that you are no longer free is actually very hard to stomach. I think I would go insane if I had to stay in prison for longer than a week.

True, I haven't been in a prison, which really doesn't make it too difficult for me to understand it. If nothing, I have served mandatory military service and I can comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison.

Also, prison being about punishment is not my very own personal opinion only. Of course, they lock up criminals because they are dangerous for others but there is surely a punishment factor too. I am pretty sure millions of people around the world perceive prison sentence the way I do. Antiblitz sums it up quite well as a matter of fact.

that is the punishment, its meant to give you nothing, starve you of society, make you crave the outside world, make you never want to come back to nothing.  But when the guys has a fucking tv, a nice bunk, and a gaming unit, i dont call it punishment, i just call it displacement. 

prison is simply punishment through mental exhaustion, and hopeful rehabilitation being a by product of it.  Of course this is just my opinion, take it as you will.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: zagibu on February 17, 2014, 01:32:00 am
True, I haven't been in a prison, which really doesn't make it too difficult for me to understand it. If nothing, I have served mandatory military service and I can comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison.

I have done 388 days in military service up to now and spent a few days in prison. The two things don't compare. I would prefer to do 100 days more of military service than to go to prison for another week. You cannot imagine the mind-crushing boredom. If you want a glimpse, don't do anything at all for an hour, and then try to imagine how it would be if this hour was most of your waking time, every day in the week. Meals become the highlight of the day, not because they are good, but because you can do something. And the one hour you can go into the courtyard and walk around and talk to other people is like the best party you've ever been on.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on February 17, 2014, 01:38:28 am
I am not necessarily comparing the two different experiences. While I understand you, you should also understand that military service isn't the same thing everywhere. I don't want to rant on and on about it. But similar to what you said above, if I hadn't known that it was only 6 months (yeah I realize it is less than half of your service time), I would have gone insane as well. And believe me, that barely helped me.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Butan on February 17, 2014, 03:01:55 am
Prison boredom is a good way to encourage people to think about what they have done and think about what they will do.
Giving people tools to pass the time in prison is a double edged blade because of that.
It doesnt apply to life sentences though, but life sentences are stupid in the first place.


Also, push-ups.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Xant on February 17, 2014, 11:43:03 am
True, I haven't been in a prison, which really doesn't make it too difficult for me to understand it. If nothing, I have served mandatory military service and I can comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison.
So you have also been in prison then? If not, how can you "comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison"?
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Kafein on February 17, 2014, 01:45:32 pm
So you have also been in prison then? If not, how can you "comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison"?

There is a fine line between critical thinking and intellectual dishonesty.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: AntiBlitz on February 17, 2014, 02:06:53 pm
That makes no sense. How can you rehabilitate when you are locked in a cell with nothing to do?

Anyway, rehabilitation in cases like Breivik is probably not worth discussing about.

thats why its hopeful?  the person is only going to rehabilitate if they wish to do so, its up to the person, not what programs are in place, or what they have to do in jail.  Imprisonment isnt meant to be relaxing, you should be staring at white walls, behind bars, twiddling your thumbs, thinking about what you have done, and why you will never do it again, why you would ever want to put yourself in this place. 

Its all personal opinion really, and i think when it comes to petty crimes, like theft or destruction of property, it works, most kiddies will remember the shit experience and more then likely refrain.  Its when it gets to these 10+ years in jail that, atleast i believe the experience becomes jaded.  But these end up mostly as the rapists, murderers, and other large crimes.  So i feel as though you are already at a disadvantage trying to rehabilitate them as is, and idk if just time sitting around will squash the behavior or aggravate it.  idk, just opinions.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Xant on February 17, 2014, 02:08:03 pm
There is a fine line between critical thinking and intellectual dishonesty.
There is a fine line between your mother, also.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Clockworkkiller on February 17, 2014, 04:01:26 pm
Hey, there's always the prison showers, plenty of action going on there
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Ikarus on February 17, 2014, 07:33:26 pm
Can´t they at least make him work so he won´t be completely on holidays there?
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: zagibu on February 17, 2014, 07:53:39 pm
And what will they do if he refuses to lift a finger?
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Butan on February 17, 2014, 08:37:54 pm
And what will they do if he refuses to lift a finger?

Threaten to remove his playstation 2.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Eugen on February 17, 2014, 09:10:46 pm
I would recommend some fun medieval games, like "burn the witch" or "does the witch swim"? They are sportive outdoor games. The fact you cant win shouldnt hurt. Its like playing dark souls on ps3. He shoul like it. For further inspiration:


If he asks for better games, give him. But its our choice. Hehe.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Clockworkkiller on February 17, 2014, 09:28:48 pm
And what will they do if he refuses to lift a finger?

ummmm...punish him?



oh wait this is norway, punishing criminals is illegal
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Miwiw on February 17, 2014, 09:34:31 pm
ummmm...punish him?

Punish how? Put him in a prison?  :lol:
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Clockworkkiller on February 17, 2014, 09:42:10 pm
Punish how? Put him in a prison?  :lol:

Umm take his stuff away? Limit outdoors time or whatever? Generally make him realize that he lil ps2 is a privilege not a right
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Xant on February 17, 2014, 11:01:52 pm
Prison is already supposed to be a punishment. What the prisoners have is the bare minimum that the government thinks a prisoner needs for it to still be humane.
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Miwiw on February 17, 2014, 11:05:06 pm
Umm take his stuff away? Limit outdoors time or whatever? Generally make him realize that he lil ps2 is a privilege not a right

You would want him to work in the yard and do:
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Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Prpavi on February 17, 2014, 11:15:52 pm
Umm take his stuff away? Limit outdoors time or whatever? Generally make him realize that he lil ps2 is a privilege not a right

You seem to forget that US and EU prisons are quite different especially in better developed countries like Norway
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Snufalufagus on February 18, 2014, 09:34:24 pm
I say we let ants eat him!
Title: Re: Breivik wants better games
Post by: Kafein on February 19, 2014, 12:49:50 am
There is a fine line between your mother, also.

Forever you shall remember that you are not unbreakable