Breivik wants better games

[zagibu]

prison is simply punishment through mental exhaustion, and hopeful rehabilitation being a by product of it.

That makes no sense. How can you rehabilitate when you are locked in a cell with nothing to do?

Anyway, rehabilitation in cases like Breivik is probably not worth discussing about.

[Daunt_Flockula]

Not at all, punishment plays no role. He is imprisoned, because he is dangerous for other people. That's all, really.

And it seems you have no idea about how it is to be in prison. I have been in prison, and the fact that you are no longer free is actually very hard to stomach. I think I would go insane if I had to stay in prison for longer than a week.

True, I haven't been in a prison, which really doesn't make it too difficult for me to understand it. If nothing, I have served mandatory military service and I can comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison.

Also, prison being about punishment is not my very own personal opinion only. Of course, they lock up criminals because they are dangerous for others but there is surely a punishment factor too. I am pretty sure millions of people around the world perceive prison sentence the way I do. Antiblitz sums it up quite well as a matter of fact.

that is the punishment, its meant to give you nothing, starve you of society, make you crave the outside world, make you never want to come back to nothing.  But when the guys has a fucking tv, a nice bunk, and a gaming unit, i dont call it punishment, i just call it displacement. 

prison is simply punishment through mental exhaustion, and hopeful rehabilitation being a by product of it.  Of course this is just my opinion, take it as you will.

[zagibu]

True, I haven't been in a prison, which really doesn't make it too difficult for me to understand it. If nothing, I have served mandatory military service and I can comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison.

I have done 388 days in military service up to now and spent a few days in prison. The two things don't compare. I would prefer to do 100 days more of military service than to go to prison for another week. You cannot imagine the mind-crushing boredom. If you want a glimpse, don't do anything at all for an hour, and then try to imagine how it would be if this hour was most of your waking time, every day in the week. Meals become the highlight of the day, not because they are good, but because you can do something. And the one hour you can go into the courtyard and walk around and talk to other people is like the best party you've ever been on.

[Daunt_Flockula]

I am not necessarily comparing the two different experiences. While I understand you, you should also understand that military service isn't the same thing everywhere. I don't want to rant on and on about it. But similar to what you said above, if I hadn't known that it was only 6 months (yeah I realize it is less than half of your service time), I would have gone insane as well. And believe me, that barely helped me.

[Butan]

Prison boredom is a good way to encourage people to think about what they have done and think about what they will do.
Giving people tools to pass the time in prison is a double edged blade because of that.
It doesnt apply to life sentences though, but life sentences are stupid in the first place.


Also, push-ups.

[Xant]

True, I haven't been in a prison, which really doesn't make it too difficult for me to understand it. If nothing, I have served mandatory military service and I can comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison.

So you have also been in prison then? If not, how can you "comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison"?

[Kafein]

So you have also been in prison then? If not, how can you "comfortably say that it was very damn close to being in prison"?

There is a fine line between critical thinking and intellectual dishonesty.

[AntiBlitz]

That makes no sense. How can you rehabilitate when you are locked in a cell with nothing to do?

Anyway, rehabilitation in cases like Breivik is probably not worth discussing about.

thats why its hopeful?  the person is only going to rehabilitate if they wish to do so, its up to the person, not what programs are in place, or what they have to do in jail.  Imprisonment isnt meant to be relaxing, you should be staring at white walls, behind bars, twiddling your thumbs, thinking about what you have done, and why you will never do it again, why you would ever want to put yourself in this place. 

Its all personal opinion really, and i think when it comes to petty crimes, like theft or destruction of property, it works, most kiddies will remember the shit experience and more then likely refrain.  Its when it gets to these 10+ years in jail that, atleast i believe the experience becomes jaded.  But these end up mostly as the rapists, murderers, and other large crimes.  So i feel as though you are already at a disadvantage trying to rehabilitate them as is, and idk if just time sitting around will squash the behavior or aggravate it.  idk, just opinions.

[Xant]

There is a fine line between critical thinking and intellectual dishonesty.

There is a fine line between your mother, also.

[Clockworkkiller]

Hey, there's always the prison showers, plenty of action going on there

[Ikarus]

Can´t they at least make him work so he won´t be completely on holidays there?

[zagibu]

And what will they do if he refuses to lift a finger?

[Butan]

And what will they do if he refuses to lift a finger?

Threaten to remove his playstation 2.

[Eugen]

I would recommend some fun medieval games, like "burn the witch" or "does the witch swim"? They are sportive outdoor games. The fact you cant win shouldnt hurt. Its like playing dark souls on ps3. He shoul like it. For further inspiration:

If he asks for better games, give him. But its our choice. Hehe.

[Clockworkkiller]

And what will they do if he refuses to lift a finger?

ummmm...punish him?



oh wait this is norway, punishing criminals is illegal