Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Nightmare798 on February 05, 2014, 11:28:52 pm
Title: Just noticed something...
Post by: Nightmare798 on February 05, 2014, 11:28:52 pm
Did anyone else noticed how overrated are two handed weapons and dual wielding in movies (and many games)?
It is like, for every main protagonist using sword and shield, or spear, there are thousands upon thousands of those who either use bigass sword, katana, or dual wielding.
Fuck that.
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Post by: zagibu on February 05, 2014, 11:32:28 pm
I blame He-Man.
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Post by: Kafein on February 05, 2014, 11:34:40 pm
Actually in all the D&D editions I know of, dual-wielding is pretty shitty unless you invest into unrealistic skills.
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Post by: Nightmare798 on February 05, 2014, 11:38:50 pm
Yep, i played dragon age 1handed with no shield and my housemate shouted at me all the way through that i was playing it wrong lol, cos the melee 'classes' were dual weilding, sword and shield, or 2hand, and i couldnt benefit from any of them cos i refused to dual wield but didnt want a shield lol.
Just once i want a game that lets you dual wield, but you don't gain extra attacks, or deal more damage, or any of the other bullshit, just having it there being totally shit and nonviable would be lovely...
I guess rpg game mentality is like your left hand is an extra equipment 'slot' so if you don't have something equipped there you arent maximising your potential -.- and every other game/movie just want to look cool.
Yeah, I see nothing wrong with using single one handed weapon. It leaves you fast and you can also grapple, above other things.
I was just watching Sword Art Online thinking: WOOOW finally a semi-orignal protagonist, with a single one handed sword!
Then came the episode 9, and when he drawn the second sword I was like "YOU WHAT MOTHERFUCKER?"
Same with guns. Why to use two goddamn pistols when you can use smg to much better ends?
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Post by: Nightmare798 on February 05, 2014, 11:51:31 pm
Haha xD that was pretty much my reaction watching Sword Art Online... 'Oh boy no magic!' 'Oh nice, no dumb anime style weapons.... Oh wait.' 'But at least there's no magic and everyone looks like real people, not green haired elf-eared anime characters...'
True, and the story is pretty solid and the art-style is great .
Still, this thing with dual-wielding really knocked it down in my eyes. At least he had his ass handed to him by the guild leader who uses sword and shield.
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Post by: Miwiw on February 05, 2014, 11:59:20 pm
+1 Thread
Also, a duel is either sword + shield or sword only.
Annoyed me, when I watched Spartacus. I like fights with that mentioned above but then Spartacus gets a second sword and it sadly stays like that the other two seasons as well. However Gannicus already had 2 swords and he keeps them as well... prefering watching a fight with a spear over that as well! And in most games it's even more awful..
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Post by: Xant on February 06, 2014, 12:06:18 am
Two short swords isn't that impractical.
Or one long and one short, for that matter.
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Post by: Miwiw on February 06, 2014, 12:08:38 am
There's a reason why I like swashbuckler films. :)
Even Sword + Dagger sometimes.
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Post by: Nightmare798 on February 06, 2014, 12:10:11 am
People underestimate the importance of keeping a hand free, imagine even trying to sprint with both arms strapped to your sides, you could probably do it... But you'd be worse than anyone of equal talent who had use of their arms. Nearly everything physical you do is using more of your body than your average person thinks
Having two swords doesn't mean you can't use those arms for balance and most other things. You can do that just as well. Running with two swords is very different from running with both arms strapped to your sides.
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Post by: Nightmare798 on February 06, 2014, 01:23:27 am
It was an over the top example yeah, but the point i was trying to make is how much you rely on seemingly non-essential stuff like a free hand to do other stuff like sprinting or precision work with the other hand. Balance is possible, but slower because it's weighed down, and whilst you're doing it the unused sword in your left or right hand that you're trying to use to balance is just dead weight, since you're not going to be able to attack with both swords at the same time whilst maintaining any kind of poise or balance.
I just don't see the point other than it looking cool. I dunno, if i'd never seen it in games or movies before i'd probably think it was cool the first time i saw it, but it just looks shoddy now it's everywhere for no good reason.
There is simply no way to make dual wielding two full sized swords viable. It is uselful to have full sized sword and parrying dagger or short sword, but that style is vastly different from true dual wielding, which is way too impractical to use.
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Post by: Xant on February 06, 2014, 02:03:43 am
On the contrary, a sword and dagger/shortsword is true dual wielding, while two longswords is the fantasy dual wielding.
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Post by: Nightmare798 on February 06, 2014, 02:34:12 am
On the contrary, a sword and dagger/shortsword is true dual wielding, while two longswords is the fantasy dual wielding.
Debatable at best. There were (and maybe still are) few schools that teach how to wield two one handed swords.
And besides, wielding a one handed sword and a parrying dagger should not be truly considered dual wielding, because you are usually be using the dagger to deflect and block incoming attacks, not to attack with it.
That way, we could consider sword and shield to be considered dual wielding which is not true.
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Post by: Xant on February 06, 2014, 03:19:13 am
Which schools taught how to wield two one handed swords? I presume by one handed you mean a full length sword.
The dagger is also used to attack.
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Post by: Nightmare798 on February 06, 2014, 04:18:38 am
Which schools taught how to wield two one handed swords? I presume by one handed you mean a full length sword.
The dagger is also used to attack.
School of Niten Ichi-ryū which was established by Miyamoto Musashi was dedicated to dual wielding arts, and yes, that includes wielding two identical one handed (or one and half handed) swords.
My point is, that there is ton of difference between employing dagger and sword, and two swords at once. I think that only latter should be considered true dual wielding.
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Post by: Xant on February 06, 2014, 08:46:21 pm
Niten Ichi-ryū (二天一流?), which can be loosely translated as "the school of the strategy of two heavens as one", is a koryū (ancient school), transmitting a style of classical Japanese swordsmanship conceived by the warrior Miyamoto Musashi. Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū is mainly known for the two-sword—katana and wakizashi—kenjutsu techniques Musashi called Niten Ichi (二天一, "two heavens as one") or Nitō Ichi (二刀一, "two swords as one").
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Post by: Nightmare798 on February 06, 2014, 09:44:26 pm
Niten Ichi-ryū (二天一流?), which can be loosely translated as "the school of the strategy of two heavens as one", is a koryū (ancient school), transmitting a style of classical Japanese swordsmanship conceived by the warrior Miyamoto Musashi. Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū is mainly known for the two-sword—katana and wakizashi—kenjutsu techniques Musashi called Niten Ichi (二天一, "two heavens as one") or Nitō Ichi (二刀一, "two swords as one").
Katana is one and half handed sword, usable in one hand, and wakizashi is one handed sword. Your point?
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Post by: Xant on February 06, 2014, 09:50:09 pm
Wakizashi is a short sword.
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Post by: Nightmare798 on February 06, 2014, 09:59:07 pm
I said sword and parrying dagger/dagger shouldnt be considered dual wielding, because most of the attacks will be done by sword, rather than dagger.
But with long one handed sword and a short sword, nothing limits you from using both equally, which is practically an essense of dual wielding. Dagger has, in conjunction with sword, more defensive purpose, like shield, only lighter.
It is as if people called using sword and very small buckler, or duelling glove dual wielding. You can still attack with buckler but you sure as hell not going to use it in the same manner as sword, and that is same for dagger.
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Post by: Xant on February 06, 2014, 10:28:57 pm
School of Niten Ichi-ryū which was established by Miyamoto Musashi was dedicated to dual wielding arts, and yes, that includes wielding two identical one handed (or one and half handed) swords.