It is not a general discussion about what you believe in ?
Can put it where you want... where ? :mrgreen:
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there's no option for Satanists :twisted:
It is not general discussion about cRPG, but about other stuff, so it would belong in General Off-topic.
Really, the man from the video don't know anything about God. If he was atleast like Mother Teresa, Smith Wigglesworth or Lester Sumrall, and did more then they did, then he can talk about it. But I think he dont have enough brains and experience to discuss about God.Dispute his statements instead of just shittalking him, shitbird.
Dispute his statements instead of just shittalking him, shitbird.I can easily, But dont know english very well to dispute. I just say that to talk about something seriously, you have to be in it, if no then it just bla bla bla...
I can easily, But dont know english very well to dispute. I just say that to talk about something seriously, you have to be in it, if no then it just bla bla bla...
Did you find something wrong or false in his sketch ? he knows very well religion...he tried to believe... but... just look around you..Well, I believe in God about 9 years. And really guys I was the same mind as you before I met him and his miracles. I thought that those believers are just weak and some bad words) But I know what the real power now, cant be said in words, if you didn't see God, then you won't understand me
How can you believe ?
I can easily, But dont know english very well to dispute. I just say that to talk about something seriously, you have to be in it, if no then it just bla bla bla...I'll start a cult that molests children, unless you're in my cult you can't judge me!
I don't lolI did. And he's kinda right... :lol:
The dictionary definition of God is “a supernatural creator and overseer of the universe.” Included in this definition are all deities, goddesses and supernatural beings. Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerians around 6,000 years ago, historians have cataloged over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 can be considered deities.
So next time someone tells me they believe in God, I’ll say “Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?…” If they say “Just God. I only believe in the one God,” I’ll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me. I don’t believe in 2,870 gods, and they don’t believe in 2,869.
we don't say you are wrong to believe... I just want to understand WHY....First of all not God made it, second if you dont believe God then dont expect something to get from Him. I saw how blind people became able to see, and many other, I heard the God myself and had prophesies, so I just cant to not to believe)
You talk about miracle... let me ask something :
A house burned with 10 members of a family inside. All died except little girl...
Beliver will see the miracle : she survived !!!
I will see the 9 deads...
how can you believe in God ?
I heard the God myself and had prophesies
First of all not God made it, second if you dont believe God then dont expect something to get from Him. I saw how blind people became able to see, and many other, I heard the God myself and had prophesies, so I just cant to not to believe)You should probably stop eating those mushrooms you find in your backyard.
Miracle.... prophesies.... can you tell us more ?
second if you dont believe God then dont expect something to get from Him. I saw how blind people became able to see, and many other, I heard the God myself and had prophesies, so I just cant to not to believe)
I don't lolIt's not supposed to be funny, I'm merely using the simplest way possible to shut down your idiotic argument.
I REALLY want to know... but I NEVER found someone to explain me, ton convince me... I should be happy to believe but, actually, I can't...The holy church of Mork the goat god got orgies, that's a reason, heck, in fact a good reason.
Pple who believe...please give me ONE reason and I will convert into your religion, I promise....
I m not moking...
I REALLY want to know... but I NEVER found someone to explain me, ton convince me... I should be happy to believe but, actually, I can't...There's only one reason: To ease the pain and fear of death. All of religion's other functions can (and generally are) better fulfilled elsewhere.
Pple who believe...please give me ONE reason and I will convert into your religion, I promise....
I m not moking...
I REALLY want to know... but I NEVER found someone to explain me, ton convince me... I should be happy to believe but, actually, I can't...
Pple who believe...please give me ONE reason and I will convert into your religion, I promise....
I m not moking...
LOL..the only reason to believe is... the fear of death !
Ok... ok... but I m not scared by death. We don't need God or religion to be good men during our life. You can do good things for your children, for your brothers on earth and not just to save your selfish soul !
LOL.. you say the only reason to believe is... the fear of death ? (or after death)You see only what you want to see. Seems that you just want people to agry with you, you don't want to find the truth or God. You just believe in what fits your life. Put me more infamy Pepe) watch the video)
George Carlin is what disproves the existence of a god for you? The whole 'lelelel man in the sky dumb fairytales' argument is pretty shortsighted in my opinion. Considering that for an atheist world view you still have to believe in extremely abstract concepts, like a never ending universe or the big bang and a dimension like time. Is a sentient and omnipotent being all that much more ridiculous?Yes, it is all that much more ridiculous. Big Bang has actual scientific evidence behind it, for example. God has none. Being an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe anything in particular, you just don't believe that a god exists until shown some kind of evidence. Abstract concepts != fairy tales.
No, it's a horrible starting point. It literally makes no sense. There are so many problems with it it isn't even funny.
So why is Pascal's Wager a good starting point, then..?
It's a good starting point because many people just say "I don't see proof for God, so no point believing" and they just stop there. That makes the least sense of all. They aren't thinking beyond what is right in front of their face (almost literally), let alone what has happened in the past, or what may happen in the future, or what may happen after they die. What are the possibilities after death? Do we have a finite percentage of probabilities? What are those based on? Does that affect how I live my life now? Should it? What makes the most sense?If somebody's already an atheist, there's no reason to make them think those thoughts. They've already made the right decision. If you know your destination, you are already there.
That's just one way. That are so so so many ways to approach this, but I present that wager in this case to get someone to think about things they can't see right now and perhaps things they haven't even thought about right now -- to expand horizons so to speak. The train of thought they take after that, if they take any, is up to them. Since I don't have the ability to walk through a drawn out thought process here on this forum, and don't know much about the attitude and disposition of the original poster, I figured it's a good place to start the train -- even if its not the best. :)
That's why I have respect for agnostics but little patience for true atheistsIt's really the same exact thing. The only difference between the two is that anyone calling themselves agnostic, is either doing so because they're hipsters and they think it makes themselves look sophisticated, or they've failed to acknowledge the evidence against the claim and the lack of such to support the claim.
It's really the same exact thing. The only difference between the two is that anyone calling themselves agnostic, is either doing so because they're hipsters and they think it makes themselves look sophisticated, or they've failed to acknowledge the evidence against the claim and the lack of such to support the claim.Precisely. Some people love making a big deal over that; "I'm agnostic, atheists are soooo dumb!"
They're both dumb labels that shouldn't even exist to begin with. Nowhere do we choose to label people not making scientific claims, except for when religion is involved.
It's really the same exact thing. The only difference between the two is that anyone calling themselves agnostic, is either doing so because they're hipsters and they think it makes themselves look sophisticated, or they've failed to acknowledge the evidence against the claim and the lack of such to support the claim.
They're both dumb labels that shouldn't even exist to begin with. Nowhere do we choose to label people not making scientific claims, except for when religion is involved.
If somebody's already an atheist, there's no reason to make them think those thoughts. They've already made the right decision. If you know your destination, you are already there.
I think they are quit different, but maybe it's just semantics.Agnostic is a fancy word for "tries to show off how hippy and humble he is."
We do use negative labels for things other than religion all the time though! Even science! Like global warming deniers, or holocaust deniers. Atheist is just a fancy word for faith denier. Agnostic is fancy word for "admits not knowing."
Agnostic is a fancy word for "tries to show off how hippy and humble he is."
That's absurd. Gnostic means "knowledge" in greek. The root of the word is "no knowledge." You claim you know, it's the "right choice" you say. That's another way of saying "ignorance." :)How is it relevant in any way what gnostic means in Greek? And no, you saying you're a believer is another way of saying "delusional."
It's a good starting point because many people just say "I don't see proof for God, so no point believing" and they just stop there. That makes the least sense of all. They aren't thinking beyond what is right in front of their face (almost literally), let alone what has happened in the past, or what may happen in the future, or what may happen after they die. What are the possibilities after death? Do we have a finite percentage of probabilities? What are those based on? Does that affect how I live my life now? Should it? What makes the most sense?This entire post makes you sound like someone any selfrespecting deity would punish, religion/lack thereof should be a search for truth, not a search for reward. Abrahamic religions, specifically the Christianities, are fucking pathetic, they aren't based on trying to find truth, they aren't based on trying to do what you think is right, they're all about not searching for knowledge (hell the Adam and Eve story is basically "God wants you to be stupid"), not searching for truth, and doing what some book some shitheads wrote over a millennium ago tells them to? And why? Because it's right? Nope, because they might be rewarded. You disgust me. I would rather burn in eternal hellfire than worship something I didn't really believe in because it MIGHT be possible, and thus I MIGHT be rewarded.
Mork the goat god wants your money to strengthen his church, give me all your looms and gold and you'll gain eternal life in the afterlife, or whatever.It's funny because this is comedy to us nowadays, yet Christianity was really doing this. "Pay us and your lot will be better in the afterlife! Pay us and your sins will be gone!"
It's funny because this is comedy to us nowadays, yet Christianity was really doing this. "Pay us and your lot will be better in the afterlife! Pay us and your sins will be gone!"So pay me, those looms and that gold is only a few hundred hours of grind, potentially you could get eternal happiness for this. If you consider Pascal's wager anything but bullshit buy this: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=marketplacetrade&id=549817
If I was a god I would rather sentence someone to eternal hellfire for believing in me for possible personal gain than someone who wasn't scared into believing I existed, choosing to be a good Christian because of possible reward in the afterlife is fucking pathetic, it also misses the point that there are a shitload of religions that promise you reward in heaven if you follow them, and punishment if you don't, spreading it out even thinner, in the end it's just pathetic. This entire post makes you sound like someone any selfrespecting deity would punish, religion/lack thereof should be a search for truth, not a search for reward. Abrahamic religions, specifically the Christianities, are fucking pathetic, they aren't based on trying to find truth, they aren't based on trying to do what you think is right, they're all about not searching for knowledge (hell the Adam and Eve story is basically "God wants you to be stupid"), not searching for truth, and doing what some book some shitheads wrote over a millennium ago tells them to? And why? Because it's right? Nope, because they might be rewarded. You disgust me. I would rather burn in eternal hellfire than worship something I didn't really believe in because it MIGHT be possible, and thus I MIGHT be rewarded.
BUT ANYHOW
Mork the goat god wants your money to strengthen his church, give me all your looms and gold and you'll gain eternal life in the afterlife, or whatever.
Your post is full of misconceptions. You are misunderstanding my post, my motivations, and the nature of faith and religion -- completely. It's so full of misconception I don't even know where to begin. You confound me, man! :( It's also pretty disrespectful on a personal level.My own construction? If you wrote it isn't it your construction?
That's why discussion like this are so hard on the internet. Most people arguing against religion are arguing against their own construction of something that doesn't even really exist. Many people defending it don't understand their own faith.
Oh well, have fun kiddies. :)
My own construction? If you wrote it isn't it your construction?
You took my post and turned it into something else. I don't know how you got the conclusions you did...but you sure took those conclusions and ran down the field with them, scored a touchdown, and spiked the ball in a victory dance -- in the wrong goal! :) I'd ask how you did that, but since you devolved into personal attacks I'm just going to go ahead and bow out.Look at your fucking questions there buddy: "oooh does whether I believe in god affect my afterlife? Should I be the Churchs bitch just in case?" The very fact that you'd even bring up Pascal's wager as a valid reason to worship something alone proves my point.
Look at your fucking questions there buddy: "oooh does whether I believe in god affect my afterlife? Should I be the Churchs bitch just in case?" The very fact that you'd even bring up Pascal's wager as a valid reason to worship something alone proves my point.
I didn't say any of those things. Keep going though, you're looking quite bright.
It's [Pascal's wager] a good starting point because many people just say "I don't see proof for God, so no point believing" and they just stop there. That makes the least sense of all. They aren't thinking beyond what is right in front of their face (almost literally), let alone what has happened in the past, or what may happen in the future, or what may happen after they die. What are the possibilities after death? Do we have a finite percentage of probabilities? What are those based on? Does that affect how I live my life now? Should it? What makes the most sense?Now go give me 1mil cRPG gold because Mork the goat god might reward you.
Some experience from my life:Great great god helps people cheat in exams so they can graduate and get jobs they're not suited for, be incompetent, and thus screw over people in the end, Anecdotal evidence of prayer being answered best evidence either. Prove someone had aids, then stopped having aids, through the magics of GOD, I dare you.
1) When my mother was ill, she had 39-40 degree C and couldn't move her neck and hand, I prayed for her and she got healed instantly, her temperature dropped to 36,6 after 5 min.
2) I prayed for one girl and she got healed from cancer
3) I told a prophecy to my freind, I said that he will pass exam, but God will surprise him, and he will get the highest mark not deservedly. He answered 1 of 5 questions and thought that will have 2 - the lowest mark but got 5 - the highest
4) When I was on exam, I asked God what question will teacher ask me and answer, and when I told the teacher what is giss thoughts, he afraid a little, Thanks to God I have graduated from university with all highest marks
5) I know people who healed from AIDS
And so on
I was seeking the God Half of my life and I still don't know him as I want to know. I learned to hear Him. Do you? Stop, please discuss about things that you don't know. And don't think that heaven is after dying. It starts when you fall in love with God.
Great great god helps people cheat in exams so they can graduate and get jobs they're not suited for, be incompetent, and thus screw over people in the end, Anecdotal evidence of prayer being answered best evidence either. Prove someone had aids, then stopped having aids, through the magics of GOD, I dare you.If I will prove it, what will you do?
Another idea : if your wills are so OP..please pray for some BIG DEALS not for selfish personnal situations (I m happy you healed all your familiy but you arenot the entire human race....I pray for it every day. Less sarcasm please) Really you don't understand what you are talking about
Now go give me 1mil cRPG gold because Mork the goat god might reward you.
Yesterday my son had headake... I prayed the golden sausage and 5 min later he was fine... That is not a reason to believe in golden sausage powaaaa !
If I will prove it, what will you do?Inspect the proof, then reevaluate my beliefs based on that proof. Also Penitent, I'll tell you why you're wrong later, I don't really feel like writing something lengthy right now.
No, this guy is not very smart. He's a comedian but misunderstands much about what religion is really about.
Anyways, move to spam.
Inspect the proof, then reevaluate my beliefs based on that proof. Also Penitent, I'll tell you why you're wrong later, I don't really feel like writing something lengthy right now.
I'd like to talk about this actually without starting some fisty cuffs, but I feel as if you'll just get teamed up on. So I'll wait my turn.
That reminds me of a story that happened to me the other day, actually. I was working on a small building project in my garage. I read the instructions just the day before and it said that screwdrivers were terrible tools for hammering in nails. Sure you could use the handle of the screwdriver to drive a nail, but it sucks. Well anyways, I was working away so proud of this knowledge when I see something crazy. My cousin, who was helping me, was reaching for a screwdriver. He was holding it in his hands! "OMG" I said to him, "That's so fucked up, that's totally the wrong tool! You can't use a screwdriver on a nail it's so wrong and it doesn't work! You disgust me!" Then he looked at me. He was hurt. He was wearing a cross on his necklace too, to make my allegory more complete. He said, "I know that, I knew that without having to read the instructions. But it's works pretty well for prying open this can of paint." Then I was sad and went away.
No, this guy is not very smart. He's a comedian but misunderstands much about what religion is really about.
Anyways, move to spam.
Your post is full of misconceptions. You are misunderstanding my post, my motivations, and the nature of faith and religion -- completely. It's so full of misconception I don't even know where to begin. You confound me, man! :( It's also pretty disrespectful on a personal level.I feel like you're assuming all religions and religious participants are exactly the same or more specifically, that literalism and fanaticism don't exist. You certainly make it seem like you're acting as an authority on what religion is and how it should be interpreted. Unfortunately, not even the Vatican can get their own religion right. How is it you can so easily act as an authority for all?
That's why discussion like this are so hard on the internet. Most people arguing against religion are arguing against their own construction of something that doesn't even really exist. Many people defending it don't understand their own faith. Then it often eventually devolves into personal attacks on the part of the non-believers.
...hell the Adam and Eve story is basically "God wants you to be stupid", not searching for truth...
Some experience from my life:
1) When my mother was ill, she had 39-40 degree C and couldn't move her neck and hand, I prayed for her and she got healed instantly, her temperature dropped to 36,6 after 5 min.
2) I prayed for one girl and she got healed from cancer
3) I told a prophecy to my freind, I said that he will pass exam, but God will surprise him, and he will get the highest mark not deservedly. He answered 1 of 5 questions and thought that will have 2 - the lowest mark but got 5 - the highest
4) When I was on exam, I asked God what question will teacher ask me and answer, and when I told the teacher what is giss thoughts, he afraid a little, Thanks to God I have graduated from university with all highest marks
5) I know people who healed from AIDS
And so on
I was seeking the God Half of my life and I still don't know him as I want to know. I learned to hear Him. Do you? Stop, please discuss about things that you don't know. And don't think that heaven is after dying. It starts when you fall in love with God.
Some experience from my life:
1) When my mother was ill, she had 39-40 degree C and couldn't move her neck and hand, I prayed for her and she got healed instantly, her temperature dropped to 36,6 after 5 min.
2) I prayed for one girl and she got healed from cancer
3) I told a prophecy to my freind, I said that he will pass exam, but God will surprise him, and he will get the highest mark not deservedly. He answered 1 of 5 questions and thought that will have 2 - the lowest mark but got 5 - the highest
4) When I was on exam, I asked God what question will teacher ask me and answer, and when I told the teacher what is giss thoughts, he afraid a little, Thanks to God I have graduated from university with all highest marks
5) I know people who healed from AIDS
And so on
I was seeking the God Half of my life and I still don't know him as I want to know. I learned to hear Him. Do you? Stop, please discuss about things that you don't know. And don't think that heaven is after dying. It starts when you fall in love with God.
Christian...but not a very good one. Not that I care what someone who's never read scripture thinks of me, but I'm mainly introverted with it. Used to be a mean, nasty athiest so I can't stand people like that, who treat people as if they're less intelligent than them simply because they believe in god. How ignorant can one be? I was like that was when I was 14. Older I get the wiser I get.
Christian...but not a very good one. Not that I care what someone who's never read scripture thinks of me, but I'm mainly introverted with it. Used to be a mean, nasty athiest so I can't stand people like that, who treat people as if they're less intelligent than them simply because they believe in god. How ignorant can one be? I was like that was when I was 14. Older I get the wiser I get.
Not sure if relevant... but here it goes:
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The argument that everything is the will of God is idiotic.
The argument that everything is the will of God is idiotic.
wise words (actually didn't read but anyway..)visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Christian...but not a very good one. Not that I care what someone who's never read scripture thinks of me, but I'm mainly introverted with it. Used to be a mean, nasty athiest so I can't stand people like that, who treat people as if they're less intelligent than them simply because they believe in god. How ignorant can one be? I was like that was when I was 14. Older I get the wiser I get.Well, it is a question of either intellectual capacity or intellectual honesty, so atheists who treat people like that aren't entirely wrong.
Why the fuck would "God" help your friend pass an exam but not help the millions of people dying in horrible agony?It's nice to see that you care about millions of people, really do you? We have a mission in Thailand and some other asian countries. Do you know that some parents sell their children for about 100 dollars to sexual rapists. They rape them until they die. Our mission is to buy this little girls and boys. And now we have more then 1000 children in our shelter. Who rape this children? God or people?
It`s your right to believe, and I don`t want to judge you for that, but coming here saying that your God is true because he saved a couple of people, while he let thousands die, makes you look like an idiot.Oh Panos really? Yes of course it easier to call me idiot or somthing else. I don't have a blind faith. Before to believe I searched a lot of religions for 5 years. I learned Koran, I had spiritual expirience in buddism, satanism and new age religions. The real power I saw is in satanism. I saw people levitate in the air, moving objects, seeing future and so on. But the real power of life I have discovered in Jesus Love.
TL:DR version, The signs you see are illusions you create, because you want to believe god is true.
I saw people levitate in the air, moving objects, seeing future and so on. But the real power of life I have discovered in Jesus Love.
Ok you can call me what ever you want. I just want to warn you, don't be selfish, search the truth, because if you will, you will find the answer. And at the end we will see who will live and who won't.
visitors can't see pics , please register or loginYou are laughing about you don't know, Pepe. Keep laughing. I just said what power satanists have, but they are on the other side. Just seems you never faced the things I wrote. You cant make me unbeliever so. It's like to say to Mother Teresa "your God doesn't exist" It wil make her just laugh, and she would never finish her work for the God. I thought that you wanted to know something more, but you made this thread just for troll, then OK, sorry.
Someone who believe in Levitation, telekinisis and divination can believe in God too... Thanks for make me laugh in morning...
Levitation...
It's nice to see that you care about millions of people, really do you? We have a mission in Thailand and some other asian countries. Do you know that some parents sell their children for about 100 dollars to sexual rapists. They rape them until they die. Our mission is to buy this little girls and boys. And now we have more then 1000 children in our shelter. Who rape this children? God or people?God, since it's him who made human beings and it's him who has the power to stop it, according to you. If I script a program, I'm not going to blame the program for doing what I scripted it to do; and indeed, I'm responsible for what the program does.
God, since it's him who made human beings and it's him who has the power to stop it, according to you. If I script a program, I'm not going to blame the program for doing what I scripted it to do; and indeed, I'm responsible for what the program does.God gave people free will, He doesnt need robots
God gave people free will, He doesnt need robotsSo what if he gave free will? If he made human beings, he gave us the capacity for evil, and the desire to do evil. He could've given us free will and made us peaceful, loving creatures.
omnipotent and omniscient
So what if he gave free will? If he made human beings, he gave us the capacity for evil, and the desire to do evil. He could've given us free will and made us peaceful, loving creatures.Well now you started to think logically, that's why he sent His son to the earth. I cant love all people, but in Jesus I can. I would never help people in Africa and Asia and in mu country, but in Jesus I do. He made me a new creature.
you believe in magic, in telepathic, in telekinesis, in god, in divination... why not homeopathy and aliens too ?Lol Pepe, you don't know anything about my life and me. I understand what I write, seems you dont. I cant explain it to you because it always makes you laugh. And yes someone who made me believe in God made me do horrible things as I have written before
Poor credulous... you are ready to believe all shit you see or all shit you hear ?
"believe is intellectually easier than explain and understand"
"someone who makes you believe in incredible things can make you do horrible things"
Just think about it...
It's really the same exact thing. The only difference between the two is that anyone calling themselves agnostic, is either doing so because they're hipsters and they think it makes themselves look sophisticated, or they've failed to acknowledge the evidence against the claim and the lack of such to support the claim.
They're both dumb labels that shouldn't even exist to begin with. Nowhere do we choose to label people not making scientific claims, except for when religion is involved.
Lol Pepe, you don't know anything about my life and me. I understand what I write, seems you dont. I cant explain it to you because it always makes you laugh. And yes someone who made me believe in God made me do horrible things as I have written before
Lol Pepe, you don't know anything about my life and me. I understand what I write, seems you dont. I cant explain it to you because it always makes you laugh. And yes someone who made me believe in God made me do horrible things as I have written beforeGuys I won the lottery two hundred times in a row and am a billionaire! You don't believe me and think I should either prove it or shut up? Well eh, guys I won the lottery two hundred times in a row and am a billionaire! Me winning the lottery two hundred times in a row is even far likelier than your bro god magically curing people of aids and some such claims without anyone besides you noticing.
sorry but the fact is i've never made any sort of claim of anyhting; the only evidences i have say i can't know what the truth is; there could be a god, there could be not, i can't and i will never know what the truth is.Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
i really hope people don't say they have proofs a god doesn't exist, cause those who claimed to have proofs that it does, already shown how retarded and hypocrite they were
also i find more hi(p)sterical saying agnostic and atheist are the same thing despite the fact they're clearly not.
Considering all the bad things you've seen in life, how can you waste your prayers on univeristy grades for you and your friends? :PI graduated from university 15 years ago
Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
of brains for some, yesSadly, I'm inclined to agree.