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Title: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Prpavi on November 21, 2013, 11:04:07 am
So did the battlefield change drastically or not? Is the mod finally ded?

EU1 - I noticed quite a few more lancers, guess that's more to do with Heavy Lance buff than wpf, also lots of agi shileders, not like they heaven't been there for a while so not sure... oh and a few more Horse Archers (huehue)  :wink:


Your toughts?
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Sultan Eren on November 21, 2013, 11:17:00 am
str nerfed.

esspecially HA and all the ranged cunts hurt even more.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Erzengel on November 21, 2013, 11:22:13 am
Didn't notice a huge difference so far to be honest (except for less extreme strength builds of course). Most people still seem to use a balanced build.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Jeraz on November 21, 2013, 11:33:26 am
People are a bit faster but the thing i notice more is that my arrows do a lot more damage cause people have less armor/hp.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Kalp on November 21, 2013, 11:37:26 am
spam, stab, spam, stab, headshoot...

but it's because I didn't really play for 3 weeks before patch

I slightly adjust my STR build, but I'm still slower than most people on battle server  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: bavvoz on November 21, 2013, 11:57:12 am
1. Login
2. Notice how many horse archers there is
3. Giving it a try anyway
4. Getting bored
5. Path of exile

Sad but true :)
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Angellore on November 21, 2013, 12:26:29 pm
Quote from: Jeraz on November 21, 2013, 11:33:26 am
People are a bit faster but the thing i notice more is that my arrows do a lot more damage cause people have less armor/hp.
And that's the key change I noticed as HA. I was playing HA long time before wpf change was even announced, and it was much harder than it is now. Not because now you got slightly more wpf than before with same build (10 wpf more with 18/24 build), but because people now has much less HP and defence than before, so it's much easier to kill your target.
Before patch there were plenty of people with 70+ def builds and plenty of HP. Now almost everyone changed to more agi build (18/24 instead of 24/18 and so on). Instead of maxing IF, they are maxing WM. So they are much easier to kill not only for HA, but for all ranged. I went to my arbalester yesterday, and I was surprised how many people dies from just one bolt now! Killing STR build is impossible in single hit, but it's surely possible to 15/24, no IF build.
I suspect people were so excited about having many WPF points, they forgot how much HP they will lose by doing so. But that's the good thing, isn't it? That was the point of the patch - to drastically decrease amount of STR builds, which were almost unkillable monsters.

BTW: Amount of ranged should get reduced in few weeks time. Especially some clans (Prpavi :P) just trolls with HA, abusing banner balance feature. Yeah, I agree it is annoying when one team got 10 HA, 10 archers, and 5 crossbowmans, while the other team got no proper ranged counter (banner balance loves to do this). Some people will go back to more STR builds soon, others will get bored of trolling, and everything should be fine then. We will see I guess.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Radament on November 21, 2013, 01:31:55 pm
Quote from: bavvoz on November 21, 2013, 11:57:12 am
1. Login
2. Notice how many horse archers there is
3. Giving it a try anyway
4. Getting bored
5. Path of exile

Sad but true :)

hey that's actually what i do ! free hug for you.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Teeth on November 22, 2013, 03:00:17 pm
Heavy Lance is still not better than the Lance anyway, unless you make a build around it. As strength heavy cav it is relatively terrible.

I myself specced all my old builds again, which is 21/21 on my 2h and polearm and 26/15 on my cav. Probably gonna switch my swashbuckler from 24/15 to 21/18 but still gonna aim at 24/18 next level. I even went with 6 IF and 3 WM with my 2h. I welcome all the squishy nubs that jumped on the more agi and WM train, easier kills. Mod got faster and people got less tanky, which addresses two big problems with the mod in my opinion. Mod got a little better I'd say. Now we just need a general armour nerf. Reducing the armour gain from looming would be a good start, and do something about gloves. High price is not a proper way of balancing.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Osiris on November 22, 2013, 03:03:17 pm
after patch the amount of horse ranged is too damn high!
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: RobertOfDrugsley on November 22, 2013, 03:07:26 pm
I noticed a lot of horsie archers! The other day I had 5 of them on me, personally. Before the patch, it'd be exceptional with that many on the server.

I don't think it has anything to do with the rule changes, more with a "OH FREE RESPEC, THIS IS MY TIME TO ASSHOLE-SHINE!" approach.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Prpavi on November 22, 2013, 03:50:39 pm
I am the one assholeshining HA you speak off. After 3 years of shieldless melee and after waiting for a few days to see the results of respecs I find melee to be extremly boring and a way street basically (I did plan on respecing anyways so this was a nice bonus for me), having much more fun on my HA. I still regularly play my 2h/pole alt and get so bored after just a few rounds. So hate on me all you want but I try to keep things fun for me and that's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 22, 2013, 03:56:45 pm
Quote from: Teeth on November 22, 2013, 03:00:17 pm
Heavy Lance is still not better than the Lance anyway, unless you make a build around it. As strength heavy cav it is relatively terrible.

I myself specced all my old builds again, which is 21/21 on my 2h and polearm and 26/15 on my cav. Probably gonna switch my swashbuckler from 24/15 to 21/18 but still gonna aim at 24/18 next level. I even went with 6 IF and 3 WM with my 2h. I welcome all the squishy nubs that jumped on the more agi and WM train, easier kills. Mod got faster and people got less tanky, which addresses two big problems with the mod in my opinion. Mod got a little better I'd say. Now we just need a general armour nerf. Reducing the armour gain from looming would be a good start, and do something about gloves. High price is not a proper way of balancing.

I bumped up to 24/18 on courser and decided to give the MW Heavy lance a try again, so far I'm really liking it.  I still kind of miss my 21str/7PS MW Lance build (on a courser), it seems like that still did more damage (and the quicker thrust is nice when in the midst of infantry).  But the heavy lance with 8 PS riding on a courser seems to hit people pretty hard.  And I like being able to go up against any other lancer/cavalry and not have to worry about being outreached.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on November 22, 2013, 04:02:29 pm
hmmm... changes?
Spamming cunt amount increased
Ranged cunt amount increased
bundle of sticksnes in general increased

Rage(quit)
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Osiris on November 22, 2013, 04:11:04 pm
Quote from: Prpavi on November 22, 2013, 03:50:39 pm
I am the one assholeshining HA you speak off. After 3 years of shieldless melee and after waiting for a few days to see the results of respecs I find melee to be extremly boring and a way street basically (I did plan on respecing anyways so this was a nice bonus for me), having much more fun on my HA. I still regularly play my 2h/pole alt and get so bored after just a few rounds. So hate on me all you want but I try to keep things fun for me and that's all there is to it.

im sure but you guys do kill eu1 totally late at night :P like last night you guys come on the server drops loads over a couple of maps :D i rage quit eu1 because of 4-7 Horse ranged out of the 20 people left go to eu2 and most of the people who left eu1 were there :D
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Prpavi on November 22, 2013, 04:14:58 pm
Get a shield wololololo  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: RobertOfDrugsley on November 22, 2013, 04:24:34 pm
Quote from: Prpavi on November 22, 2013, 03:50:39 pm
I am the one assholeshining HA you speak off. After 3 years of shieldless melee and after waiting for a few days to see the results of respecs I find melee to be extremly boring and a way street basically (I did plan on respecing anyways so this was a nice bonus for me), having much more fun on my HA. I still regularly play my 2h/pole alt and get so bored after just a few rounds. So hate on me all you want but I try to keep things fun for me and that's all there is to it.

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Anyway, in all honesty I did briefly consider going HA myself, partake in the buttholery. Payback for all those time I got killed by some HA where the only chance of getting a hit on him was if he made some major blunder.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Prpavi on November 22, 2013, 04:32:33 pm
Embrace your inner my old friend Robert and set yourself free!

But srsly I can't believe all the hype, is couple of Ha the only thing you guys noticed? really?
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Osiris on November 22, 2013, 04:33:10 pm
Quote from: Prpavi on November 22, 2013, 04:14:58 pm
Get a shield wololololo  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


had a shield :D doesn't help
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Phew on November 22, 2013, 05:00:07 pm
NA2 seems about the same. Mostly balanced (or slightly str heavy) builds in medium+ armor. I'm 21/21 in medium armor, and it feels "cookie cutter".

A few agility trolls running around, but they mostly get 1-shot when they miss a block or get TWed (if not killed by a random projectile) so they don't really have much impact on the outcome of the round. The flag is won or lost by the 2h heroes with lots of armor and power strike, which is how it's always been (and should be).
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: San on November 22, 2013, 05:13:58 pm
Most people chose the same builds they already had.

Boooring.
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Jona on November 22, 2013, 05:19:26 pm
Quote from: Phew on November 22, 2013, 05:00:07 pm
NA2 seems about the same. Mostly balanced (or slightly str heavy) builds in medium+ armor. I'm 21/21 in medium armor, and it feels "cookie cutter".

A few agility trolls running around, but they mostly get 1-shot when they miss a block or get TWed (if not killed by a random projectile) so they don't really have much impact on the outcome of the round.

Sure hope I ain't tossed in with those so called "agi trolls" you speak of!

I agree that NA2 is still pretty much the same. There were even those super agi "trolls" beforehand, like those runner of runnington or sprinter of sprintington guys, for example. Not like there is a massive influx of them even after the patch. If nothing else though every player who used to take 3 - 4 hits from me might now only take 2 - 3. I kinda went opposite the grain on this patch. I kept my same build I had, just happened to level up and get 18 strength (for the first time ever on my polearmer, might I add). I ended up getting more strength as the average strength of everyone else MIGHT have dropped. Needless to say it is quite fun now. :D

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Oh, and:

Quote from: Phew on November 22, 2013, 05:00:07 pm
The flag is won or lost by the 2h heroes with lots of armor and power strike, which is how it's always been (and should be).


WHAT!?! SHOULD be? ....debatable.  :/

Quote from: Phew on November 22, 2013, 05:00:07 pm
The flag is won or lost by the players with the most skill, which is how it's never been, but should be.

Fixed.  :P



Quote from: san. on November 22, 2013, 05:13:58 pm
Most people chose the same builds they already had.

Boooring.

Guilty as charged. I bet a lot of players have these builds because it is what they have the most fun as, and/or do the best as, so it only makes sense that they stick with them. Also, str wasn't really nerfed all that much to be quite honest, so it is still viable, and those that always played as pure strength have no reason to swap (especially after the hotfix apparently gave them back wpf per level.)

I have yet to respec my alts... debating whether or not to switch them to a different class or not. The problem is they are both level 31 anyways. :/
Title: Re: Builds after Patch what have you noticed?
Post by: Phew on November 22, 2013, 07:25:46 pm
Quote from: Jona on November 22, 2013, 05:19:26 pm
Sure hope I ain't tossed in with those so called "agi trolls" you speak of!

I'm talking about the guys in cloth with 10 athletics and Rondel/Espada/etc that dart in and stab you for half your health and dart out of your reach before you even get to swing. They are annoying, but in a clusterfvck at the flag, they are the first to die. Honestly, I barely notice a difference fighting someone with 8ath vs 4ath when they wear medium armor; it still mostly comes down to how well they block and/or kick.