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Title: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 19, 2013, 03:08:53 am
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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Artyem on October 19, 2013, 03:44:10 am
I sanctioned the attack myself without input from traitor officers.

Perhaps I should not have misrepresented myself as a CC officer(I was a strat leader in Frisia before joining the GOBBLINS), but #yolo.

Blah, you're basically a noncom, close enough.

And for what it's worth, I would have totally given the go ahead on the attack.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Goretooth on October 19, 2013, 03:58:23 am
going to quote Relit "Hoc nerds."
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: HungryNBroke on October 19, 2013, 06:03:18 am
This was a daft and sleazy move on your part. I doubt this is going to help improve your diplomatic standings with CC, despite your claims that you wish to do just that.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Krosis on October 19, 2013, 06:07:21 am
This was a daft and sleazy move on your part. I doubt this is going to help improve your diplomatic standings with CC, despite your claims that you wish to do just that.

This, obviously I have no idea what's going on but I love me another war... XP SONS!


But to expand, if something like this were to happen, the first thing HoC should have done was contact CC about the attack and try to fix it.. seeing this above tells me you guys didn't, but like I said.. I'm glad.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Matey on October 19, 2013, 06:37:11 am
I certainly wouldn't expect this to improve your relations but since you are already at eternal war then I guess it won't really hurt them either? I am surprised to see it play out this way though; I figured CC would openly declare war on you before engaging in any hostilities after ending all of the component members wars upon the creation of the CC.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Artyem on October 19, 2013, 06:53:30 am
I certainly wouldn't expect this to improve your relations but since you are already at eternal war then I guess it won't really hurt them either? I am surprised to see it play out this way though; I figured CC would openly declare war on you before engaging in any hostilities after ending all of the component members wars upon the creation of the CC.

There's no need to show respect when it clearly isn't mutual, declaring war would imply recognition of their autonomy under Bonesaw.  Needless to say, disrespect the Raven's benevolence and the agreements you make with them, and you will face consequences.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: SP1N on October 19, 2013, 08:01:29 am
To the underlined statements you tried to make a point about:
the Ravens were not at war, I'm not seeing how these statements are contradictory.

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 19, 2013, 10:46:08 am
To the underlined statements you tried to make a point about:
the Ravens were not at war, I'm not seeing how these statements are contradictory.

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Ravens not at war? Seriously? As matey said they have been in an eternal war with us since we were quitting and yoloed everyone. This post was just to point out that even though relit loathes bonesaw, he is no different.

This, obviously I have no idea what's going on but I love me another war... XP SONS!


But to expand, if something like this were to happen, the first thing HoC should have done was contact CC about the attack and try to fix it.. seeing this above tells me you guys didn't, but like I said.. I'm glad.  :twisted:

No, we contacted them alright, and all we got was "Ew, you are just HoC scum, its perfectly alright if we break our blood oathes by attacking you." But other than that, a mutual agreement was made that the winner would turn over the loser's extra gear. Now the ball is in your court, Ravens and CC, lets see if you are as honorable as you say you are.


This was a daft and sleazy move on your part. I doubt this is going to help improve your diplomatic standings with CC, despite your claims that you wish to do just that.

Not nearly as daft or sleazy as telling my diplomat that you would work things out with him, and then post that battle briefing. We are (or at this point it might be were) trying to improve relations, but it seems as though the Ravens aren't capable of such things.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Relit on October 19, 2013, 02:16:23 pm
I certainly wouldn't expect this to improve your relations but since you are already at eternal war then I guess it won't really hurt them either? I am surprised to see it play out this way though; I figured CC would openly declare war on you before engaging in any hostilities after ending all of the component members wars upon the creation of the CC.

Matey, please do not put words into Ravens or The Central Confederacy's mouths. At no point have we ever declared war eternal on anybody.

No, we contacted them alright, and all we got was "Ew, you are just HoC scum, its perfectly alright if we break our blood oathes by attacking you." But other than that, a mutual agreement was made that the winner would turn over the loser's extra gear. Now the ball is in your court, Ravens and CC, lets see if you are as honorable as you say you are.

If you would provide to me the name of the Raven member who treated you in such a way, I will see they are reprimanded. But I doubt that this kind of conversation actually took place. Atleast not in the manner in which you are relaying.

Regarding your lost gear or goods: You will get them back, apparently a agreement was made and we will keep to the agreement. The same can not be said about how your faction handles its affairs.

Now to speak of your screenshots and their content: At not point in the mission briefing is what I said a lie. HoC, under Bonesaw, is the single faction in this strat to willfully break multiple agreements with whom they had a treaty. This is a fact that even Bonesaw acknowledges. As for how I feel about Bonesaw personally, I rather like the fellow. In his more lucid moments he and I had many friendly conversation and I look forward to them in the future. But what he and HoC did is inexcusable to the Raven mindset and our actions in the past and going forward are completely justified.

The Central Confederacy is not at war with HoC. What I said in the mission briefing is a mission statement and we will hold to it. Consider this more of a "Get your house in order and then we will talk" moment.

Further discussions regarding this matter will be ignored until Bonesaw is no longer commanding your entire factions army and only fief. Good day.

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Edit#2: I've really got to say to the members of HoC, specifically Jona. If you guys really wanted to get this resolved in a friendly manner, you could have messaged myself, Artyem, Sandersson, or Turboflex privately and with less personal attacks on me. Now that you did it publicly, you have further tarnished your reputation in front of the entire community and hurt your chances of even getting The Central Confederacy to consider friendlier relations with your faction.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 19, 2013, 03:34:34 pm
The Central Confederacy is not at war with HoC. What I said in the mission briefing is a mission statement and we will hold to it. This is not a war. Consider this more of a "Get your house in order and then we will talk" moment.

Further discussions regarding this matter will be ignored until Bonesaw is no longer commanding your entire factions army and only fief. Good day.

SO basically:
CC said it's cool, and were working towards things...but since Bonesaw owns a fief said: Nope, we don't honor what we said cause bonesaw didn't either.

Nope sounds like not honoring your words to me.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Relit on October 19, 2013, 03:42:47 pm
SO basically:
CC said it's cool, and were working towards things...but since Bonesaw owns a fief said: Nope, we don't honor what we said cause bonesaw didn't either.

Nope sounds like not honoring your words to me.

Anders, before laying into the situation half-cocked. Re-read what I just edited in. Thanks.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 19, 2013, 06:46:10 pm
Anders, before laying into the situation half-cocked. Re-read what I just edited in. Thanks.

Naw, cause it's STILL like that

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Their ONLY fief? They took amashak village(sure we CAN ignore this if you want, it's only a village). So that's a lie. Also: Only faction to break agreements is a bold faced propaganda LIE. There's been MORE than 1 faction, so don't spin that Bullshit to me.

Teutonic Ring a Bell? How Bout the LL/Saxton issue? LCO/FCC snafu over Samarra Castle? LL Breaking of their Word in Raven land(attacking FCC traders)? Want me to continue? Even your faction has made some shifty agreements(well, depending on which incarnation...)

If anything, I do believe you're not only being stubborn, but a right asshat. Of course, if you aren't willing to attack HoC's feifs, don't be posturing on the forums. Back your word up.

In fact, I've been one of the only people to honor their word 100% and haven't broken a single deal, ever.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Relit on October 19, 2013, 07:01:47 pm
Naw, cause it's STILL like that

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Their ONLY fief? They took amashak village(sure we CAN ignore this if you want, it's only a village). So that's a lie. Also: Only faction to break agreements is a bold faced propaganda LIE. There's been MORE than 1 faction, so don't spin that Bullshit to me.

Teutonic Ring a Bell? How Bout the LL/Saxton issue? LCO/FCC snafu over Samarra Castle? LL Breaking of their Word in Raven land(attacking FCC traders)? Want me to continue? Even your faction has made some shifty agreements(well, depending on which incarnation...)

If anything, I do believe you're not only being stubborn, but a right asshat. Of course, if you aren't willing to attack HoC's feifs, don't be posturing on the forums. Back your word up.

In fact, I've been one of the only people to honor their word 100% and haven't broken a single deal, ever.

I apologize for not seeing amashak village currently under their control but the intent of that message still stands: Bonesaw is the de facto leader of that clan and there has been zero evidence to the contrary, atleast none that I or the other CC leadership consider legitimate. Saxton was a internal FCC issue. LL never outright broke a agreement with us, they just did not follow our rules in our lands and were punished for it and payed us restitution for the issue. I did forget about Teutonic but perhaps I should preface my words with any current 'ACTIVE CLAN'.

Now regarding my faction having shifty agreements (NH or Raven), oh really? I would like to know more about those, considering I have brokered every single Raven one myself and not a single one has been broken by us. Attacking me personally over this is asinine, Anders, what exactly have I done to you to deserve such treatment?

Now regarding attacking HoC fiefs... where have we ever said we would? I personally have directed the Raven armies to not bother HoC armies/fiefs currently because when The Central Cenfederacy formed we cancelled all our current military actions.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 19, 2013, 07:16:11 pm
I apologize for not seeing amashak village currently under their control but the intent of that message still stands: Bonesaw is the de facto leader of that clan and there has been zero evidence to the contrary, atleast none that I or the other CC leadership consider legitimate. Saxton was a internal FCC issue. LL never outright broke a agreement with us, they just did not follow our rules in our lands and were punished for it and payed us restitution for the issue. I did forget about Teutonic but perhaps I should preface my words with any current 'ACTIVE CLAN'.

LCO/FCC Snafu over samarra. LCO broke NPA 3 days early cause FCC took in Badplayer after he glitch sacked the  Castle. Both clans STILL active-ish(?)

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Now regarding my faction having shifty agreements (NH or Raven), oh really? I would like to know more about those, considering I have brokered every single Raven one myself and not a single one has been broken by us. Attacking me personally over this is asinine, Anders, what exactly have I done to you to deserve such treatment?
It's in refrence to some things WFA have said. Which is why I said Shifty, because I'm not 100% on this, but I gathered from them(and your slightly public admonition of it (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/a-word-on-goblins/msg869009/#msg869009)) to be less than savory. You've done much the same as HoC has done here.

And the NH deal was done via Diggles, but I apply it to the faction as a whole, during my contract work for y'all.

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Now regarding attacking HoC fiefs... where have we ever said we would? I personally have directed the Raven armies to not bother HoC armies/fiefs currently because when The Central Cenfederacy formed we cancelled all our current military actions.
Well, if that happened, K.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Matey on October 19, 2013, 07:22:58 pm
LCO/FCC Snafu over samarra. LCO broke NPA 3 days early cause FCC took in Badplayer after he glitch sacked the  Castle. Both clans STILL active-ish(?)


badplayer didnt glitch the castle. one of his friends unsigned the defense so he got it. it was sketchy as fuck but he didnt hack the game or anything.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 19, 2013, 07:24:38 pm
badplayer didnt glitch the castle. one of his friends unsigned the defense so he got it. it was sketchy as fuck but he didnt hack the game or anything.


Right... (http://forum.melee.org/strategus-issues/unhiring-samarra-castle%27s-defenses/msg812328/#msg812328) It probably was internal drama, but either way, it wasn't through a fight.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Matey on October 19, 2013, 07:26:42 pm

Right... (http://forum.melee.org/strategus-issues/unhiring-samarra-castle%27s-defenses/msg812328/#msg812328) It probably was internal drama, but either way, it wasn't through a fight.

Just cause someone makes a bug report about it doesn't mean it was a glitch. Just cause badplayer got permabanned again after they found out he had an account doesn't make it a glitch either... he just got permad again a couple days ago after making a couple posts on the forums about balance issues.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Relit on October 19, 2013, 07:44:07 pm
LCO/FCC Snafu over samarra. LCO broke NPA 3 days early cause FCC took in Badplayer after he glitch sacked the  Castle. Both clans STILL active-ish(?)
It's in refrence to some things WFA have said. Which is why I said Shifty, because I'm not 100% on this, but I gathered from them(and your slightly public admonition of it (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/a-word-on-goblins/msg869009/#msg869009)) to be less than savory. You've done much the same as HoC has done here.

And the NH deal was done via Diggles, but I apply it to the faction as a whole, during my contract work for y'all.
Well, if that happened, K.

I was actively watching that LCO/FCC issue and honestly I am still not sure if a deal was actually broken there. I will reserve judgement. Raven and The Central Confederacy have no deals with WFA, the only contact weve had was a slight border crossing dispute that was resolved. My post was less than savory because their actions were less than savory. They were marching aggressively toward my ally's village at the time. HoC in this case has decided to take it to another level and attack me personally. Like you did previously.

Now for the NH deal you had, at the time I was not a clan officer and not party to its details. If you would like to discuss it with me, I am sure we can come to a understanding regarding that.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Lord_Bernie_of_Voodoo on October 19, 2013, 07:45:09 pm
Everyone should just declare war on eachother, honestly.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 19, 2013, 07:50:38 pm
Now for the NH deal you had, at the time I was not a clan officer and not party its details. If you would like to discuss it with me, I am sure we can come to a understanding regarding that.

The only thing about it, was the fact that Diggles never paid me for a secondary objective. He gave me a "I will confer." As the battle was outside of direct contract, but part of the contract overall, I requested at the time some 20k-40k gold(which was hefty for how early it was in strat). And as part of it, I don't like respeccing villages, but that was contract so I did it.(1 of only 2 villages I attempted to respecc, the other being my new village i conquered for myself)

I don't have anything left from then, it was all deleted later.(like any contract I've done.)
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Relit on October 19, 2013, 08:00:39 pm
The only thing about it, was the fact that Diggles never paid me for a secondary objective. He gave me a "I will confer." As the battle was outside of direct contract, but part of the contract overall, I requested at the time some 20k-40k gold(which was hefty for how early it was in strat). And as part of it, I don't like respeccing villages, but that was contract so I did it.(1 of only 2 villages I attempted to respecc, the other being my new village i conquered for myself)

I don't have anything left from then, it was all deleted later.(like any contract I've done.)

Come on over to Raven territory and our clan Marshal, HungryandBroke, will reimburse you for your troubles, with a significant markup as way of apology for the time it took to get resolved. Raven takes its agreements very seriously, even old NH ones, so hopefully they can be taken care of quickly.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 19, 2013, 08:57:57 pm
Too much typing not enough exp.  Get to the fighting already.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 19, 2013, 09:01:48 pm
If you would provide to me the name of the Raven member who treated you in such a way, I will see they are reprimanded. But I doubt that this kind of conversation actually took place. Atleast not in the manner in which you are relaying.

Regarding your lost gear or goods: You will get them back, apparently a agreement was made and we will keep to the agreement. The same can not be said about how your faction handles its affairs.

Now to speak of your screenshots and their content: At not point in the mission briefing is what I said a lie. HoC, under Bonesaw, is the single faction in this strat to willfully break multiple agreements with whom they had a treaty. This is a fact that even Bonesaw acknowledges. As for how I feel about Bonesaw personally, I rather like the fellow. In his more lucid moments he and I had many friendly conversation and I look forward to them in the future. But what he and HoC did is inexcusable to the Raven mindset and our actions in the past and going forward are completely justified.


I will let Redgar speak about how negotiations went down, if he sees fit. I was only relayed the information afterwards.

I will swing by the Jameyyed region sometime in the next day to pick up any goods Redgar has lost.  I sure hope no more "accidents" occur when I am in neutral territory. HoC has no bad intentions regarding the Ravens or CC, and if we did an appropriate declaration of war would be announced. The fact that we were attacked in lands you don't even own, and then after peaceful negotiations you continued to post that briefing is what warranted this forum post.

And about what you said in the briefing, yes, simply put, it is a lie. Bonesaw, while the owner of Almerra, no longer does anything in strat except for advise those of us who are newer (helps us with strat mechanics, not diplomacy) and hand out gear/troops/gold when asked. We gladly let him keep control of Almerra since he is hands down what makes HoC HoC. In strat if nothing else he is our mascot. The King must be the one to hold our capital fief. And you have said you will never trust HoC as long as Bonesaw is in control of our only feif... he has voluntarily offered to hand it over to one of us on several occasions but we have passed up on the offer for reasons I previously stated. Just because he holds our main fief doesn't mean he is our current leader in strat... after all, when was the last time you dealt with him personally in any form of negotiations?  As Anders pointed out, HoC is not by a long shot the only faction to break an agreement. Strat is based around diplomacy, which entails backstabs and betrayals... something needs to happen to spice things up from time to time.

Too much typing not enough exp.  Get to the fighting already.

There will be a small amount of xp tonight during this battle since it will still take place. If you want more xp I suggest you tell the gobblins to get doing what they promised to do and have all out war with SKoT... or anybody, really.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Relit on October 19, 2013, 09:14:42 pm
...The fact that we were attacked in lands you don't even own, and then after peaceful negotiations you continued to post that briefing is what warranted this forum post.

Your personal insults to me aside. A simple message to any Central Confederacy leader (Artyem, Sandersson, Turboflex, and lastly myself), would have had addressed this issue. Tretter attacking was a mistake. He was unclear on the official position towards HoC.

And about what you said in the briefing, yes, simply put, it is a lie. Bonesaw, while the owner of Almerra, no longer does anything in strat except for advise those of us who are newer (helps us with strat mechanics, not diplomacy) and hand out gear/troops/gold when asked. We gladly let him keep control of Almerra since he is hands down what makes HoC HoC. In strat if nothing else he is our mascot. The King must be the one to hold our capital fief. And you have said you will never trust HoC as long as Bonesaw is in control of our only feif... he has voluntarily offered to hand it over to one of us on several occasions but we have passed up on the offer for reasons I previously stated. Just because he holds our main fief doesn't mean he is our current leader in strat... after all, when was the last time you dealt with him personally in any form of negotiations?  As Anders pointed out, HoC is not by a long shot the only faction to break an agreement. Strat is based around diplomacy, which entails backstabs and betrayals... something needs to happen to spice things up from time to time.

You say its a lie. I say its not a lie, and have yet to see any proof to the otherwise. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this matter of perspective. While strat is based around diplomacy, Raven does not appreciate being betrayed and back-stabbed by people whom we thought were our friends.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on October 19, 2013, 10:27:33 pm
The drama continues. I'll just leave this here.

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Artyem on October 19, 2013, 11:53:20 pm
Despite being one large faction, we still respect one another as separate clans.  I guess Tretter falls underneath the Frisian third of our alliance and because of that Relit and the Ravens have very little control over him.  If your items are not returned for whatever reason, then you would have to be pants on head retarded to blame Relit for something he is hardly involved in.

gl using internet shame on Sandy, he is a man with no fucks left to give.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Relit on October 20, 2013, 12:21:41 am
The drama continues. I'll just leave this here.

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on October 20, 2013, 02:45:25 am
Now let's all just calm down. I am the one closest to this issue, and while there have been many things said, mostly all of them need sorting out, for they are all but fragments of a whole picture.

To begin, I am the one Tretter attacked; this was, well and truly, an honest mistake. I have faith that despite his ignorance of the neutrality between the Central Confederacy and HoC, he is honest and his word is good, and so I resolved the issue with him in an agreement to conduct the battle as it would go, but that all goods, equipment, and gear would be returned to the defeated man.  This agreement was reached and lawfully decided upon in the presence of HungryNBroke of the CC, specifically Raven.  Hungry, it should be noted, I consider a trusted friend, despite this awful divide, and has been nothing but helpful and respectable to me and HoC as a whole on any and every occasion.

To backtrack just a step or two, I will tell you now of the COMPLETE steps taken in attempting to resolve this issue, and then you, once informed, may decide who should be insulted.  Less then 10 minutes from entering New Jameyyed Castle for a trade deal with Arowaine himself, my smaller army was attacked but Tretter_KUTT under the Central Confederacy's banner. Confused and wary, I went directly to Raven TS to speak of the matter and try to work something out, as at this point HoC and the CC had been neutral for a time after the forming of the CC and the individual clans declared global neutrality, an end to ALL previous hostilities, an end to all conflict between HoC and Raven, as I PERSONALLY confirmed with Relit himself over c-rpg messages to be true. 

Upon arriving I found the trusted and honest Hungry. I told him of the incident and asked him if our stance had changed, if this was an intentional attack, and if the CC would be willing to help find a resolution to the issue, as our neutrality should be honored.  He agreed to make inquiries for me, and I thanked him and went on my way to find Arowaine to ask for troops that were rightly mine so that I might defend myself. I found Tretter sitting in the MB TS by chance, and Arowaine was nowhere to be found(nor was he for the rest of the day, as it turned out). I approached him, spoke with him of the situation, and determined that he well and true thought he was doing his duty by attacking me, being ignorant of our neutrality(please note, I do not mean insult by my use of the word "ignorant"; I only mean he was unaware of the situation), and he decided against cancelling the battle so as not to lose his army, which I understood. We spoke for some time, trying to find a resolution that would work for us both, and decided the battle must be had as it was, but a FAIR conclusion was yet to be reach. We broke apart for a short time so I could speak again with Hungry and discover what news he had for me.

He was there, and we spoke. I told him of the current situation up to date, and he told me that the leaders of the CC, namely Relit and Artyum, were of the opinion that because the Central Confederacy and HoC had not officialy signed any peace agreement, the attack was fair and sanctioned.  I cannot help but find this a complete contradiction; Global neutrality was declared, all past conflicts were considered ended, and I confirmed this personally with Relit, as I have stated before. So HOW is a further peace agreement needed here? This mistake was just that, a MISTAKE, and I have treated it as such. My battle application post treated it as a MISTAKE. I reached an agreement with Tretter just after this, the terms of which I have previously stated and which Hungry was privy to, treating it as a MISTAKE. So WHY has the CC sanctioned(and HERE I shall point to additional evidence of the public posts on the forum in which that sanction has been announced) this attack? FURTHERMORE, upon seeing the CC's application post, which has been posted several times and I feel is of a very hostile nature and contradicts out neutrality by seemign to support this attack DESPITE our official neutrality, I personally messaged Relit through c-rpg about the issue, the post, and the larger issue of the relations of our factions, a message that he has not responded to as of yet, though I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he has either not read it or not yet had time to respond to it. Additional attempts to speak with Relit and the other leaders of the CC were PREVIOUSLY made by myself and Hungry, when I asked that the leaders contact me immediately to discuss our official diplomatic status and the resolution of this mistake attack.  NO SUCH EFFORT HAS YET BEEN MADE BY ANY OFFICIAL, though once again, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are very soon going to do just that, as this incident, though a mistake, was no fault of MINE, or HoC's as a whole.

Now to the forum post. It may have been premature. I was in favor of waiting and carrying out discussions personally with the leaders of the CC, but seeing as no action has been made by ANY of them, I fully support my FELLOW LEADER'S POST.  This was not intended to insult but rather to bring to attention evidence of these contradictions after the very hostile and anti-HoC application post was made. WE are the insulted ones. It is MY army that was attacked and destroyed because I chose to take no military action to defend myself, trusting rather in the honor of the CC's members to honor the agreement made between me, Co-leader of HoC along with Jona, its ONLY two leaders, and Trettter_KUTT, my assailant, to return what is rightfully mine and should have never been lost to a neutral faction through a battle. THE RESPONSES POSTED BY THE LEADERS OF THE CC CONTRADICT THE NEUTRALITY AGREEMENT BETWEEN OUR FACTIONS. EVERY ACTION TAKEN THUSFAR BY THESE PEOPLES SERVES NO PURPOSE TOWARDS RESOLUTION, BUT INSTEAD TO SLANDER AND INSULT US FURTHER. YOUR LACK OF ATTENDANCE TO YOUR OWN WORDS AND AFFAIRS IS NOT BECOMING. MAN UP, REVIEW THE EVIDENCE, THINK HARD ON WHAT IT IS YOU HAVE SAID, AND CORRECT YOUR MISTAKE, OR BE FOREVER KNOWN AS DISHONORABLE. HEAR ME WELL, RELIT. I AM THE BEST FRIEND TO RAVEN THAT YOU WILL EVER HAVE. I HAVE TRIED TO BRING OUR TWO PEOPLES COLSER FROM THE MINUTE I STEPPED INTO A POSITION OF LEADERSHIP BECAUSE I RESPECT RAVEN AND ITS MEN. I HAVE PLACED NO BLAME ON YOU IN THE PAST, YET YOU HAVE BEEN STANDOFFISH TO ME AND HoC AND HAVE LOOKED DOWN UPON US ALL FOR THE ACTIONS OF ONE MAN. WE DO NOT DICTATE TO YOU WHO SHALL LEAD YOU, THOUGH BONESAW IS NOT OUR LEADER. WE DO NOT TELL YOU WHO MAY OWN YOUR FIEFS, THOUGH TAKE A MOMENT TO LOOK CLOSE BEFORE SLANDERING AND MANDATING TO OTHER FACTIONS, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT I, REDGAR, CONTROL OUR ONLY NEW FIEF THROUGH MY OWN MILITARY ACTIONS.  I HAVE HONORED EVERY AGREEMENT I HAVE EVER MADE BECAUSE I BELIEVE OUR HONOR AND WORD DEFINES US, AND ON MY HONOR, I SAY THIS: Turboflex, Relit, Artyum, and ALL OTHERS INVOLVED IN THE CC, LET US SIT AND SPEAK PEACEFULLY TOGETHER IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE MAY REACH AN UNDERSTANDING, CONVERSE AMONG YOURSELVES IMMEDIATELY AND RELEASE YOUR OFFICIAL PUBLIC STATEMENT ON YOUR CONTRADICTIONS AND WRONGDOINGS, AND STICK TO WHATEVER YOU SAY OUR DIPLOMATIC STANCE IS, OR WE WILL ASSUME YOU CANNOT, WILL NOT, OR CHOOSE NOT TO, AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE WILL HAVE WAR.

Now, that would be undesirable indeed. I like many of the Ravens. I do not know as many Frisians and Draculs ad I should, though I like those I know well enough. I do not want to fight friends. I do, and have always, wish to have friendly relations. I am not declaring war. We maintain  a position and attitude of hopeful peace. But this inability to respond diplomatically except to unofficial forum posts is leading us down a path I do not wish to step foot on. If HoC does not feel that our standing is one of NEUTRALITY AND NON-AGGRESSION BASED ON THE CC'S ACTIONS OVER THE NEXT WEEK, WE WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ASSUME THAT OUR OUR ARMIES AND/OR FIEFS MIGHT FALL UNDER ATTACK AT ANY TIME, AND CONSIDER YOU HOSTILE. This would ONLY be the case if you maintain your stance of kind-of-neutral-but-attacking-us-is-ok-too. Reach a decision for the good of us all.

And to all of those who may be war-mongering for this tension to explode into war,

FUCK

YOU

This is about honor and doing what is right, not a war for fun. This is different. Straighten out.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 20, 2013, 03:18:41 am
This foreplay has gotten me all hot and bothered.  When's the main course?
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Warborn304 on October 20, 2013, 03:32:16 am
TL;DR

Disclaimer: I am not speaking for anyone within HoC, I am merely posting this on my own behalf because I know Relit will should see this.

Fun fact: When Relit called me a coward on the forums after taking my beloved Halmar... I went to speak with him in TS. I thought it was only fair that we strike up a duel since he called me a coward. I told him I'll duel him and loser has to sacrifice a +3 to the winner.

He told me to quit being butt hurt and he was merely role playing... I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him for a +3, since he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it. He declined the duel and shortly left to another channel.

Fun fact 2: I'm fucking awful at this game and was literally prepared to give up a +3 because there was a high probability of my loss... regardless though -

Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian told me he couldn't possibly duel me because the only +3 he has was gifted to him...

So we actually never needed to duel because he showed his true colors within seconds of my duel offer.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jeade on October 20, 2013, 03:34:22 am
autistic friend racist frenchman

-25 Culture Points
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Relit on October 20, 2013, 03:36:47 am
TL;DR

Disclaimer: I am not speaking for anyone within HoC, I am merely posting this on my own behalf because I know Relit will should see this.

Fun fact: When Relit called me a coward on the forums after taking my beloved Halmar... I went to speak with him in TS. I thought it was only fair that we strike up a duel since he called me a coward. I told him I'll duel him and loser has to sacrifice a +3 to the winner.

He told me to quit being butt hurt and he was merely role playing... I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him for a +3, since he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it. He declined the duel and shortly left to another channel.

Fun fact 2: I'm fucking awful at this game and was literally prepared to give up a +3 because there was a high probability of my loss... regardless though -

Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian told me he couldn't possibly duel me because the only +3 he has was gifted to him...

So we actually never needed to duel because he showed his true colors within seconds of my duel offer.

I told you it was a RP post and left the channel to go talk to my clanmates. You came into our TS to pick a fight because you were upset. Ask anybody who knows me in this game. I would never say the words "butt hurt". Seriously it was a RP post, please just let it go and spare us all this. No matter how much prefacing you put on this, those kind of posts reflect on your clan.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Mordred1622 on October 20, 2013, 03:39:32 am
I told you it was a RP post and left the channel to go talk to my clanmates. You came into our TS to pick a fight because you were upset. Ask anybody who knows me in this game. I would never say the words "butt hurt". Seriously it was a RP post, please just let it go and spare us all this. No matter how much prefacing you put on this, those kind of posts reflect on your clan.
No matter how much "preface" you put on it being RP...it is still something you say with full intent.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: SMEGMAR on October 20, 2013, 03:40:23 am
those kind of posts reflect on your clan.

Odin forbid we soil the great name of HoC.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 20, 2013, 03:43:36 am
I don't reckon Relit really digs talking to you folks anymore, if you've got shit to say go ahead and add me on steam and say your piece.

Basically, here's how it is and I don't imagine that anything more needs to be said. This whole damn thing is stupid. Tretter attacked accidentally, and he said he'd give you your shit back. That's gonna happen; our concern ain't the gear. The attack was an accident and it wasn't sanctioned by anybody other than maybe Jack or Havelle, but I ain't sure about all that. Regardless, I know for a fact Relit/Artyem didn't say "Yeah Tretter, go ahead and attack this HoC guy." It should be noted that if Tretter asked me if he could attack, I would have told him that he could. We aren't under some neutrality agreement as you've said. Just because all of the old wars were ended does not imply that they can not be started anew.

Here's how shit's gonna be. If we see one of your dudes running around, don't assume we aren't going to attack you. We ain't assuming that you aren't going to attack us. This isn't a war declaration. I don't really see any reason beyond RP anyway to declare war on someone. You'll know it if we do that shit.

Nothing further should be said on this subject. This whole damn thread was pretty stupid, and your intent was to show that you think Relit is a *insert insult here*. You've accomplished that, maybe you've convinced other people that you're correct as well. Let this thread die, please. It has served its purpose.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Warborn304 on October 20, 2013, 03:46:12 am
I told you it was a RP post and left the channel to go talk to my clanmates. You came into our TS to pick a fight because you were upset. Ask anybody who knows me in this game. I would never say the words "butt hurt". Seriously it was a RP post, please just let it go and spare us all this. No matter how much prefacing you put on this, those kind of posts reflect on your clan.

Yes because when hiding behind the guise of role playing we get to say anything we want and not be held accountable. I'm glad you cleared that up for everyone, and reinforced what I originally said about you. You're nothing more than a peasant knave swine who can only eat if the bread gets too burned, and is discarded in your direction.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jeade on October 20, 2013, 03:47:24 am
peasant knave swine who can only eat if the bread gets too burned, and is discarded in your direction.

+25 Culture Points
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Mordred1622 on October 20, 2013, 03:53:47 am
Personally, I think this is hilarious....no way this thread should die. Fuel for the fire:
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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on October 20, 2013, 03:55:58 am
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I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him

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he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it

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Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian...


I'm getting butt-hurt vibes. I don't know if it's just me, or what, but I'm getting butt-hurt vibes. I also disagree with Sanderson. I think this is a great thread, full of fantastic role play and homoeroticism.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Warborn304 on October 20, 2013, 04:00:57 am
...
 

I'm getting butt-hurt vibes. I don't know if it's just me, or what, but I'm getting butt-hurt vibes. I also disagree with Sanderson. I think this is a great thread, full of fantastic role play and homoeroticism.

Trolling and holding someone accountable is different from being butthurt.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Mordred1622 on October 20, 2013, 04:08:35 am
As the saying goes: Sticks and stones may break my bones but words are merely the smallest element of language capable of containing meaning and isolation and as such could never directly produce the 4000 newton force per square centimeter required to break bones.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: SP1N on October 20, 2013, 04:48:47 am
It's times like these I wish I just played Call of Duty.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: StonedSteel on October 20, 2013, 06:30:22 am
It's times like these I wish I just played Call of Duty.

DONT

SAY

THAT



EVER


EVER!!!
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on October 20, 2013, 07:28:49 am
TL;DR

Disclaimer: I am not speaking for anyone within HoC, I am merely posting this on my own behalf because I know Relit will should see this.

Fun fact: When Relit called me a coward on the forums after taking my beloved Halmar... I went to speak with him in TS. I thought it was only fair that we strike up a duel since he called me a coward. I told him I'll duel him and loser has to sacrifice a +3 to the winner.

He told me to quit being butt hurt and he was merely role playing... I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him for a +3, since he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it. He declined the duel and shortly left to another channel.

Fun fact 2: I'm fucking awful at this game and was literally prepared to give up a +3 because there was a high probability of my loss... regardless though -

Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian told me he couldn't possibly duel me because the only +3 he has was gifted to him...

So we actually never needed to duel because he showed his true colors within seconds of my duel offer.

...aaaaaand there goes all the respect Redgar had just gained back for you, gone with one careless, racist, butthurt post. For shame. Redgar, you did your best, valiant effort.

We aren't under some neutrality agreement as you've said. Just because all of the old wars were ended does not imply that they can not be started anew.

These two sentences basically sum everything up nicely and should prevent anymore pointless squandering. (though it probably won't knowing the Diplomacy section)
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: HarryCrumb on October 20, 2013, 07:54:42 am
TL;DR

Disclaimer: I am not speaking for anyone within HoC, I am merely posting this on my own behalf because I know Relit will should see this.

Fun fact: When Relit called me a coward on the forums after taking my beloved Halmar... I went to speak with him in TS. I thought it was only fair that we strike up a duel since he called me a coward. I told him I'll duel him and loser has to sacrifice a +3 to the winner.

He told me to quit being butt hurt and he was merely role playing... I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him for a +3, since he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it. He declined the duel and shortly left to another channel.

Fun fact 2: I'm fucking awful at this game and was literally prepared to give up a +3 because there was a high probability of my loss... regardless though -

Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian told me he couldn't possibly duel me because the only +3 he has was gifted to him...

So we actually never needed to duel because he showed his true colors within seconds of my duel offer.

no need to state the obvious, everyone already knew he was an artistic niggardly bundle of Styx
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on October 20, 2013, 09:13:30 pm
I Don't enjoy writing such long posts, I know they are hard to sit through and read, so I appreciate anyone and everyone who took the time to read it; it takes a long post to convey so much information in an accurate and truthful way rather than the summaries and slander usually thrown about, though they certainly serve their purpose of amusement.  Sandersson, you should have read my post carefully because of your position, as every leader of the CC should have, yet it seems you have not because you do not understand me.  I cite your most recent post, in which, might I add, I agree with you in wanting this all to be over. Indeed, it really is QUITE simple.

I don't reckon Relit really digs talking to you folks anymore, if you've got shit to say go ahead and add me on steam and say your piece.

Basically, here's how it is and I don't imagine that anything more needs to be said. This whole damn thing is stupid. Tretter attacked accidentally, and he said he'd give you your shit back. That's gonna happen; our concern ain't the gear. The attack was an accident and it wasn't sanctioned by anybody other than maybe Jack or Havelle, but I ain't sure about all that. Regardless, I know for a fact Relit/Artyem didn't say "Yeah Tretter, go ahead and attack this HoC guy." It should be noted that if Tretter asked me if he could attack, I would have told him that he could. We aren't under some neutrality agreement as you've said. Just because all of the old wars were ended does not imply that they can not be started anew.

Here's how shit's gonna be. If we see one of your dudes running around, don't assume we aren't going to attack you. We ain't assuming that you aren't going to attack us. This isn't a war declaration. I don't really see any reason beyond RP anyway to declare war on someone. You'll know it if we do that shit.

Nothing further should be said on this subject. This whole damn thread was pretty stupid, and your intent was to show that you think Relit is a *insert insult here*. You've accomplished that, maybe you've convinced other people that you're correct as well. Let this thread die, please. It has served its purpose.

My intent is not to tarnish anyone's name, nor to insult; i think that's very clear.  No, I told my account of exactly what transpired so that everyone might understand the situation and not be led astray by misinformation and insults. My job is to represent my House and to protect it in every form, as is yours, Sandersson, and yours, Relit, and all others who represent a House.  I have CLEARLY and very specifically stated that I do not wish to have war, but if I was not approached in some form to discuss these issues, namely the future relations between HoC and the CC, and come away from them with an official statement of diplomatic status, that, and ONLY THAT, would lead to war; but war it MUST lead to, because I will not have my men falling under random attack from a neutral faction when I do not send my own out to attack yours BECAUSE OF THAT NEUTRALITY.  War is war. Peace is peace. Should I spell it out for you? Neutrality dictates non-aggression, so you must not attack us, and we must not attack you. We are at peace. We do not have to be friends; I wish it but many of you do not.  You are not obligated to help us in our conflicts, and we are not obligated to help you, for we are not ALLIED. But only WAR allows the attacking of our faction, or yours, by the other.  So, now that I have defined these terms, AS I OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO, SANDERSSON...I say this again. We are neutral. We are not at be attacked, and we are not to attack you. 

Now, you DISPUTE this neutrality; how this is still possible, I do not know, as in my last post I gave true evidence of this, as did Jona in his.  You say that though old wars are ended, they can be started anew.  Yes, this is true, but tell me, when did the CC declare war on HoC? Or did I miss that as well, along with the tearing up of your global neutrality agreement? You say you are not declaring war! Then we are not at war, as I have said the same. You acknowledge that Tretter's attack was a mistake; good, then we are of the same opinion on at least one thing. I do NOT hold Tretter accountable for any of this, and I have said that.  You say it was not sanctioned, that there was no 'go ahead' given by a leader of the CC. I point again to my own words; I NEVER said he asked. He attacked thinking it was his duty, and I respect that, as I would have done the same in is position had I not know of the very-real neutrality.  What I did say was that in response to the incident I was told through Hungry that Relit and Artyum supported the attack, supposedly THEIR OWN RESPONSES TO THE INCIDENT (and I trust him above any other Raven or man otherwise), as do you apparently support it, Sandersson, and they denied the neutrality between us, though it had previously been confirmed. Again, see my last post.

AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELVES. YOU READ THESE POSTS AND CONTINUE TO RESPOND WITH INSULT AND WEAK DEFENSES OF YOUR POSITION, YET NO MESSAGE, NO ENVOY, NOT EVEN A POST IS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME IN RESPONSE TO OUR OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC STATUS, EXCEPT TO UNOFFICIALLY DENY OUR NEUTRALITY FURTHER. AM I TO THINK WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR THIS WHOLE TIME, DESPITE THE BLATANT TRUTH OF PEACE DECLARED BY YOU YOURSELVES, AND WHICH I PERSONALLY CONFIRMED AND AGREED TO WITH RELIT HIMSELF, AND THAT THE MIGHTY CLANS OF RAVEN, DRACUL, AND FRISIA HAVE BEEN TOLD TO HIDE BEHIND THEIR WALLS BY THEIR LEADERS FROM THE TWO-FIEF HoC? IS THIS WHAT YOU EXPECT THE COMMUNITY TO BELIEVE? OR WILL YOU MAN THE FUCK UP, ADMIT YOUR MISTAKE IN CONTRADICTING YOURSELVES AND PROVOKING HOSTILITIES, AND FUCKING COME TO ME TO TALK LIKE MEN SO WE MAY RESOLVE THIS ISSUE WITH CIVILITY AND NEVER AGAIN RETURN TO THE THE HELL-HOLE THAT IS THE FUCKING FORUMS OF SHIT-FLINGING FUCKERY WITH THIS ISSUE? TELL ME WHAT IT WILL BE, FOR IF YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE THIS ISSUE AND LEAVE OUR CLANS AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS, IT WILL BE YOUR OWN FAULT, YOUR OWN SHAME TO BEAR, YOUR OWN DISHONOR, YOUR OWN HUMILITY, AND YOUR OWN JACK-ASSERY TO ACCEPT, AS WE WILL ASSUME YOU MAY ATTACK AT ANY TIME AND PLACE, AND SO WILL HANDLE OUR DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH YOU ACCORDINGLY.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on October 20, 2013, 09:16:18 pm
Redgar, plz
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Rhalzo on October 20, 2013, 10:15:08 pm
AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELVES. YOU READ THESE POSTS AND CONTINUE TO RESPOND WITH INSULT AND WEAK DEFENSES OF YOUR POSITION, YET NO MESSAGE, NO ENVOY, NOT EVEN A POST IS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME IN RESPONSE TO OUR OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC STATUS, EXCEPT TO UNOFFICIALLY DENY OUR NEUTRALITY FURTHER. AM I TO THINK WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR THIS WHOLE TIME, DESPITE THE BLATANT TRUTH OF PEACE DECLARED BY YOU YOURSELVES, AND WHICH I PERSONALLY CONFIRMED AND AGREED TO WITH RELIT HIMSELF, AND THAT THE MIGHTY CLANS OF RAVEN, DRACUL, AND FRISIA HAVE BEEN TOLD TO HIDE BEHIND THEIR WALLS BY THEIR LEADERS FROM THE TWO-FIEF HoC? IS THIS WHAT YOU EXPECT THE COMMUNITY TO BELIEVE? OR WILL YOU MAN THE FUCK UP, ADMIT YOUR MISTAKE IN CONTRADICTING YOURSELVES AND PROVOKING HOSTILITIES, AND FUCKING COME TO ME TO TALK LIKE MEN SO WE MAY RESOLVE THIS ISSUE WITH CIVILITY AND NEVER AGAIN RETURN TO THE THE HELL-HOLE THAT IS THE FUCKING FORUMS OF SHIT-FLINGING FUCKERY WITH THIS ISSUE? TELL ME WHAT IT WILL BE, FOR IF YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE THIS ISSUE AND LEAVE OUR CLANS AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS, IT WILL BE YOUR OWN FAULT, YOUR OWN SHAME TO BEAR, YOUR OWN DISHONOR, YOUR OWN HUMILITY, AND YOUR OWN JACK-ASSERY TO ACCEPT, AS WE WILL ASSUME YOU MAY ATTACK AT ANY TIME AND PLACE, AND SO WILL HANDLE OUR DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH YOU ACCORDINGLY.

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but a full paragraph of uppercase letters in a sans serif font is really uncomfortable to read to the human eye. You should have used a serif font to help guide the eye from letter to letter and word to word if you wanted to convey your message properly. It's just a pain in the ass to read, as well as you adding in italics and bolded type.

There's a small typography lesson for you. Please follow these guidelines in future posts where you plan on typing in all capital letters. Thank you!
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: The Last Ironside REDGAR on October 20, 2013, 10:19:06 pm
AN OFFICIAL DECLARATION OF DIPLOMACY ON THIS ISSUE

THE CONFLICT IS ENDED

THERE SHALL BE NO MORE SHITPOSTING, NO MORE INSULTS, AND NO MORE SLANDER

T THROUGH THE INFINITE WISDOM OF THE LEADERS AND ENVOYS INVOLVED, HoC AND THE CENTRAL CONFEDERACY HAVE REACHED PEACE ONCE MORE, AGREEING THAT THE TERMS OF OUR NEUTRALITY DICTATE NO MILITARY ENGAGEMENTS UNLESS WAR IS OFFICIALLY DECLARED.

THOUGH WAR MAY OFFICIALLY BE DECLARED AT ANY TIME BY EITHER PARTY, NEITHER PARTY HAS ANY PLANS INVOLVING FURTHER HOSTILITIES. AGAIN, NEUTRALITY IS ESTABLISHED AND MILITARY ENGAGEMENTS ARE HENCEFORTH OFFICIALLY BANNED. LET US PUT ALL OF THIS BAD BUSINESS BEHIND US AND MAKE AMENDS.

I HEREBY DECLARE THIS THREAD OBSOLETE AND CLOSED. REJOICE!
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 12:28:05 am
I HEREBY DECLARE THIS THREAD OBSOLETE AND CLOSED. REJOICE!

Actually I think only myself or a mod has that kind of power...
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: SP1N on October 21, 2013, 12:42:07 am
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But Rhalzo, a sans serif (specifically Arial) font creates a very neutral feeling whereas a serif can cause office workers somewhat of a stress due to familiarity with work.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Krosis on October 21, 2013, 01:29:46 am
All these NA Drama posts for nothing.. sigh less xp.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: HappyPhantom on October 21, 2013, 01:42:40 am
All these NA Drama posts for nothing the lolz.. sigh less xp.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 21, 2013, 01:55:33 am
Woah, I never knew HoC was this autistic. Like, this isn't your normal everyday autism. This is advanced autism.

By the way Jona, you do realize that you're trying to compare a malicious breaking of a treaty by HoC to a Raven casually saying "alright, we're not REALLY at war with anyone right now" and then attacking you? Like your whole premise has the intellectual quality of a bucket of rancid frog cum.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Tanken on October 21, 2013, 02:11:44 am
I always show up way too late for these funny fucking forum threads. Damn, maybe next time.
Title: my face when this thread
Post by: Malaclypse on October 21, 2013, 04:16:17 am
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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 06:02:04 am
Woah, I never knew HoC was this autistic. Like, this isn't your normal everyday autism. This is advanced autism.

By the way Jona, you do realize that you're trying to compare a malicious breaking of a treaty by HoC to a Raven casually saying "alright, we're not REALLY at war with anyone right now" and then attacking you? Like your whole premise has the intellectual quality of a bucket of rancid frog cum.

Lol, just had to go and throw your autism into this dead thread? Okay, I'll bite to keep everyone else entertained. Let's see exactly what I am comparing here. HoC's breaking of their old treaties to Raven's/CC's breaking of their vow of neutrality. Alrighty, here goes.. let's see how hard it is to pierce that thick skull of yours.

1) HoC yoloswag charge of glory: declares war on all nearby factions for the lulz and the xp.

vs.

2) Raven/CC declaring neutrality then immediately attacking someone based on an old, ended, war.

Seems like equal cases of "oath breaking", and if not Raven's/CC's is definitely the worse offense... a lolzy "declaration of war" against everyone so that we could burn up all our useless tickets and gear vs. a serious declaration of neutrality followed up by an attack. Thanks for stopping by daruvian and proving once again that you are so severely lacking in the IQ department that the only reason you yet cling to life is by feeding off your mother's saggy tit.


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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 21, 2013, 06:07:34 am
Lol, just had to go and throw your autism into this dead thread? Okay, I'll bite to keep everyone else entertained. Let's see exactly what I am comparing here. HoC's breaking of their old treaties to Raven's/CC's breaking of their vow of neutrality. Alrighty, here goes.. let's see how hard it is to pierce that thick skull of yours.

1) HoC yoloswag charge of glory: declares war on all nearby factions for the lulz and the xp.

vs.

2) Raven/CC declaring neutrality then immediately attacking someone based on an old, ended, war.

Seems like equal cases of "oath breaking", and if not Raven's/CC's is definitely the worse offense... a lolzy "declaration of war" against everyone so that we could burn up all our useless tickets and gear vs. a serious declaration of neutrality followed up by an attack. Thanks for stopping by daruvian and proving once again that you are so severely lacking in the IQ department that the only reason you yet cling to life is by feeding off your mother's saggy tit.


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ur a my old friend LOL xDDDD im not reading that
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: HarryCrumb on October 21, 2013, 06:20:40 am
1) HoC yoloswag charge of glory: declares war on all nearby factions for the lulz and the xp.

you mean the "bonesaw is butthurt charge of butthurtiness"?
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 06:28:51 am
you mean the "bonesaw is butthurt charge of butthurtiness"?

Does it really matter? Bone pretty much said "I'm tired of this shit, lets get out." All of HoC was down for the xp battles and went with it. Butthurt reasons or not, it was all a yolo charge to breath some life back into a dead strat.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 21, 2013, 06:29:42 am
Does it really matter? Bone pretty much said "I'm tired of this shit, lets get out." All of HoC was down for the xp battles and went with it. Butthurt reasons or not, it was all a yolo charge to breath some life back into a dead strat.

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Artyem on October 21, 2013, 06:31:24 am
You're essentially blaming the Ravens for this entire situation based on the actions of an independent inside of the same coalition as them.  The fact that you insist on further pursuing this argument despite the diplomatic agreements that were made earlier proves to me that you are highly incompetent, I guess I already knew that though.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 06:55:27 am
The fact that you insist on further pursuing this argument despite the diplomatic agreements that were made earlier proves to me that you are highly incompetent, I guess I already knew that though.

Hah... thats a good one right there... coming from someone who is quite illiterate, apparently. Read the fucking thread and you will see this is not the case. The amount of pretentious asshole you manage to stuff into all of your posts is really quite sickening.

As far as "blaming ravens for something blah blah blah" I have already come to terms with them; it was apparently an accident that was carried out by an ignorant member of their carebear alliance. The fact still stands that as diplomat or whatever he is/was, Relit can indeed be held accountable for not keeping everyone up to date in his faction after declaring neutrality / ending all prior wars. But as I have reiterated time and time again, this is behind us, so it doesn't much matter anymore. The fact that the members of your 'glorious alliance' keep bringing this up only further solidifies your spot as a highly disorganized faction... this matter is dealt with, and yet you can't let it rest.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 21, 2013, 07:01:18 am
Hah... thats a good one right there... coming from someone who is quite illiterate, apparently. Read the fucking thread and you will see this is not the case. The amount of pretentious asshole you manage to stuff into all of your posts is really quite sickening.

As far as "blaming ravens for something blah blah blah" I have already come to terms with them; it was apparently an accident that was carried out by an ignorant member of their carebear alliance. The fact still stands that as diplomat or whatever he is/was, Relit can indeed be held accountable for not keeping everyone up to date in his faction after declaring neutrality / ending all prior wars. But as I have reiterated time and time again, this is behind us, so it doesn't much matter anymore. The fact that the members of your 'glorious alliance' keep bringing this up only further solidifies your spot as a highly disorganized faction... this matter is dealt with, and yet you can't let it rest.

Nigga, we are a confederacy. You know how much Tretter speaks to Relit? Never. To Artyem? Not even once. To me? Very occasionally. He's in the faction because he didn't see any other strat groups to be a part of, but he still wanted to be in something meaningful in strat. He's a VERY independent contractor.

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Artyem on October 21, 2013, 07:06:15 am
Daruvian isn't in our "great alliance", and if you think you're done here then lock the thread and stop bringing it up yourself you hypocrite mongoloid.

Tretter was brought into the faction by a Frisian member, I didn't even realize he was in the CC until he attacked you guys.  Blaming Relit for that once, and then again in that post only further proves my point that you literally know nothing of the situation at hand.  Go back to being useless in your castle and stop pretending to be relevant. I understand you want to be noticed because HoC is no longer disbanded, but creating a useless shitposting thread only reminds us of your already atrocious reputation.

edit:  Havelle is also not in the CC.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 21, 2013, 07:28:39 am
Can you guys just make a venn diagram of who is in what club, but not whichever clan, but still in which faction?  This is confusing as fuck.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 07:30:45 am
Daruvian isn't in our "great alliance", and if you think you're done here then lock the thread and stop bringing it up yourself you hypocrite mongoloid.

Tretter was brought into the faction by a Frisian member, I didn't even realize he was in the CC until he attacked you guys.  Blaming Relit for that once, and then again in that post only further proves my point that you literally know nothing of the situation at hand.  Go back to being useless in your castle and stop pretending to be relevant. I understand you want to be noticed because HoC is no longer disbanded, but creating a useless shitposting thread only reminds us of your already atrocious reputation.

edit:  Havelle is also not in the CC.

Yeah, thanks for pointing out the obvious... havelle and daruvian aren't the only ones who keep posting here. And why would I even dream about locking such a thread when you guys get to make such massive asses out of yourselves? This is truly quite the spectacle.

And I don't care if you are a faction or a confederacy (hint, check what strat says, you are called a faction dumbass) you should make sure all of your members are on the same page. You are so quick to point to other members of my faction (warborn and soturin, who isn't even in the HoC faction) and complain about their 'ignorant shitposting' whilst they have absolutely nothing to do with strat, and wouldn't even be given an army capable of attacking someone out of ignorance. Therefore tretter should have been more in-the-know than they would ever need to be, and should be on the same page as anyone you trust with an army.

You think I am the one trying to make a scene here to get HoC noticed? Hahaha... such an ignorant little troll you are indeed. HoC was happily brought back quietly and only announced our return once we were ready to strike. The only reason this discussion is going on any further is so that you guys can +1 all your pals' posts and become super forum warriors. Also, "remind people of our atrocious reputation," you say? That's funny... we haven't done much since forming just over a month or so ago. Maybe it's 2 months.. haven't really kept track of time. Needless to say, your thinking we have done anything to get such a bad reputation is quite hilarious indeed, and only shows how shallow your character truly is. Long ago as part of the VE many of my friends and I loathed MB "as a whole." They were nothing more than trolls we would say, but really none of us ever just assume each and every member of their faction is a troll unless proven otherwise. And what about now, you wonder? I can get along with pretty much any MB guy I see in game since all the ones who still play are pretty chill. The trolls are inactive now.. so why judge their clan so harshly anymore? Yet here we are, and I'm talking to some dumbass who blames an entire faction for just one man's words who was in a different faction altogether.

How many dicks you had to suck to get adminship must be beyond anyone's count... truly is remarkable such a thing could occur. I am almost happy for you having such a miracle in your otherwise miserable existence... you get to have power in some online videogame, oh boy!
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 21, 2013, 07:32:46 am
jesus christ no amount of my shitposting can make this man realize that no one cares about his autistic angry nerd ramblings. Next time you make a post please consider "WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THE THINGS I AM WRITING?"

Can't we just go back to you guys attacking Unuzdaq Castle, realizing you're shit when you only kill like 500 of us, and then being quiet about it? Like, that is all that needs to happen.

NUT UP OR SHUT UP AUTISTE.

everyone please stop
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 08:08:44 am
jesus christ no amount of my shitposting can make this man realize that no one cares about his autistic angry nerd ramblings. Next time you make a post please consider "WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THE THINGS I AM WRITING?"

Can't we just go back to you guys attacking Unuzdaq Castle, realizing you're shit when you only kill like 500 of us, and then being quiet about it? Like, that is all that needs to happen.

NUT UP OR SHUT UP AUTISTE.

everyone please stop

Hah... yeah, we can easily slaughter over 500 of you guys in any attack, and have done so with each assault.  Also I like how you are telling HoC to nut up, when we were for a long period of time the only faction doing anything, despite our small numbers. And yet here you are, Mr. Big Balls, with all your countless hoardes, and yet you puss out after losing to SKoT a couple times? HAHAHA... biggest joke in strat history.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Artyem on October 21, 2013, 08:09:22 am
Simmer down now, I think you might be getting a bit too rowdy over this internet drama.

I'm just pointing out how ridiculous this thread is, you essentially did nothing for your clan but increase hostility between our two factions.  I guess I should have expected as much though, because in the end I'm just

talking to some dumbass who blames an entire faction for just one man's words who was in a different faction altogether.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 21, 2013, 08:10:49 am
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5453

lol
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 08:19:22 am
Simmer down now, I think you might be getting a bit too rowdy over this internet drama.

I'm just pointing out how ridiculous this thread is, you essentially did nothing for your clan but increase hostility between our two factions.  I guess I should have expected as much though, because in the end I'm just

Um... yeah, I'm talking to a couple dumbasses here, and from the CC faction they happen to be Artyem and Sandersson. I have yet to blame your entire faction for one man's words. You made this a personal fight between you and I, and I responded in kind.

http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5453

lol

Also learn some basic math principles, please, before saying that number is somewhere below 500.

And to help you guys out, since you seem to be having such a hard time here:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling

Read up fellahs, can save yourself any further embarrassment.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 21, 2013, 08:23:32 am
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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Artyem on October 21, 2013, 08:26:11 am
Um... yeah, I'm talking to a couple dumbasses here, and from the CC faction they happen to be Artyem and Sandersson. I have yet to blame your entire faction for one man's words. You made this a personal fight between you and I, and I responded in kind.

Also learn some basic math principles, please, before saying that number is somewhere below 500.

And to help you guys out, since you seem to be having such a hard time here:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling

Read up fellahs, can save yourself any further embarrassment.

How dare we make valid points, what a bunch of shitty fuckin' trolls.

also he said " realizing you're shit when you only kill like 500 of us"  not " realizing you're shit when you only kill less than 500 of us".
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 21, 2013, 08:27:09 am

also he said " realizing you're shit when you only kill like 500 of us"  not " realizing you're shit when you only kill less than 500 of us".

OUT-AUTISTED
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 08:38:31 am
I do believe you are mistaken, Mr. "I can tell exactly how a person is in real life by reading some words that chance would have appeared after they rolled their face across the keyboard." I was not actually calling yourselves trolls at all, but I was hoping you would see that this whole time I have been sitting here, egging you guys on, watching you go through all of this trouble to show off the size of your epeen... when in fact I couldn't care less about any of it. It's late, I'm bored, and finally tired enough to go to sleep. So I thank you guys, really, I do, for putting on such a show and I hope you enjoyed being slaves to my amusement.

Anyways, I bid you all a goodnight, and if you enjoyed this experience, I will remember to bring out the whip some other time to keep this going... nothing better to do whilst waiting for sleep to come.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: DaruviansUnmutedAccount on October 21, 2013, 08:41:05 am
I do believe you are mistaken, Mr. "I can tell exactly how a person is in real life by reading some words that chance would have appeared after they rolled their face across the keyboard." I was not actually calling yourselves trolls at all, but I was hoping you would see that this whole time I have been sitting here, egging you guys on, watching you go through all of this trouble to show off the size of your epeen... when in fact I couldn't care less about any of it. It's late, I'm bored, and finally tired enough to go to sleep. So I thank you guys, really, I do, for putting on such a show and I hope you enjoyed being slaves to my amusement.

Anyways, I bid you all a goodnight, and if you enjoyed this experience, I will remember to bring out the whip some other time to keep this going... nothing better to do whilst waiting for sleep to come.

wow can i please suck you're dick, your so cool

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Matey on October 21, 2013, 08:42:32 am
Jona best diplomat 2013
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on October 21, 2013, 08:58:25 am
Jona back out of lobby quickscope me 1v1 fegget

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Artyem on October 21, 2013, 08:59:57 am
wow what a fool I've been, I should've known.  I will now take my warning for these shit posts. 

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jack1 on October 21, 2013, 12:31:09 pm
Only aderyns signature can describe this.

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Jona on October 21, 2013, 02:04:13 pm
Thanks for the compliment Matey, however I fear your words are misplaced... a quick way to check yourself to avoid further confusion between diplomacy and derplomacy is check whether or not you are on the crpg forums. If so, you are in the realm of derplomacy, where all that is posted is trolling or shitposting. Seeing how this is indeed part of the crpg forums, the proper term would be best derplomat.


Nobody is trolled. You think these people are trolled. These people think you are trolled. From an outside perspective it is truly disgusting, a pot of nerds all thinking they have the upper hand on the other nerd, but in reality it's all just a bunch of nerds thinking they're funny and the other side is mad. True autism.

Indeed, the crpg forums always devolve into pure autism, which makes it all the more entertaining to read. Whether or not you had 'the upper hand' or I did, does not matter. I got exactly what I wanted out of it, so I couldn't care less which side was right in the end. And if you got what you wanted as well, then hey, we all win and had a successful night of entertaining ourselves.


Only aderyns signature can describe this.

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And I suppose trolling might not be the most accurate description... just throwing tinder on the bonfire.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on October 21, 2013, 02:10:26 pm
Jona plz
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Warborn304 on October 21, 2013, 05:59:01 pm
Thanks for the compliment Matey, however I fear your words are misplaced... a quick way to check yourself to avoid further confusion between diplomacy and derplomacy is check whether or not you are on the crpg forums. If so, you are in the realm of derplomacy, where all that is posted is trolling or shitposting. Seeing how this is indeed part of the crpg forums, the proper term would be best derplomat.

/thread
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Matey on October 21, 2013, 06:35:01 pm
I prefer to call it Diplomancy.. A truly vile and evil sorcery if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Mordred1622 on October 21, 2013, 10:58:57 pm
I will NOT stand for this injustice. The words spoken here represent all that is evil in this game. Therefore I have no choice other than to declare war on HoC. Someone let me know when I have beaten strat.
Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: Lord_Kitazawa_of_Voodoo on October 24, 2013, 06:25:54 am
It's times like these I wish I just played Call of Duty.

Considering how Na1 has been recently, you're more likely to find 12 yr. olds in CoD that use more teamwork than the majority of players in crpg.  That is, unless you consider long mauls and long espadas the ultimate teamwork weapons.

And I suppose trolling might not be the most accurate description... just throwing tinder on the bonfire.

You don't throw tinder on a bonfire; tinder is used to start a fire.

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Title: Re: Guess There is a First Time for Everything (GF Relit)
Post by: SMEGMAR on October 24, 2013, 09:14:09 pm
We are your darkest of fears.
We are the smile of the moon.