I sanctioned the attack myself without input from traitor officers.
Perhaps I should not have misrepresented myself as a CC officer(I was a strat leader in Frisia before joining the GOBBLINS), but #yolo.
This was a daft and sleazy move on your part. I doubt this is going to help improve your diplomatic standings with CC, despite your claims that you wish to do just that.
I certainly wouldn't expect this to improve your relations but since you are already at eternal war then I guess it won't really hurt them either? I am surprised to see it play out this way though; I figured CC would openly declare war on you before engaging in any hostilities after ending all of the component members wars upon the creation of the CC.
To the underlined statements you tried to make a point about:
the Ravens were not at war, I'm not seeing how these statements are contradictory.(click to show/hide)
This, obviously I have no idea what's going on but I love me another war... XP SONS!
But to expand, if something like this were to happen, the first thing HoC should have done was contact CC about the attack and try to fix it.. seeing this above tells me you guys didn't, but like I said.. I'm glad. :twisted:
This was a daft and sleazy move on your part. I doubt this is going to help improve your diplomatic standings with CC, despite your claims that you wish to do just that.
I certainly wouldn't expect this to improve your relations but since you are already at eternal war then I guess it won't really hurt them either? I am surprised to see it play out this way though; I figured CC would openly declare war on you before engaging in any hostilities after ending all of the component members wars upon the creation of the CC.
No, we contacted them alright, and all we got was "Ew, you are just HoC scum, its perfectly alright if we break our blood oathes by attacking you." But other than that, a mutual agreement was made that the winner would turn over the loser's extra gear. Now the ball is in your court, Ravens and CC, lets see if you are as honorable as you say you are.
The Central Confederacy is not at war with HoC. What I said in the mission briefing is a mission statement and we will hold to it. This is not a war. Consider this more of a "Get your house in order and then we will talk" moment.
Further discussions regarding this matter will be ignored until Bonesaw is no longer commanding your entire factions army and only fief. Good day.
SO basically:
CC said it's cool, and were working towards things...but since Bonesaw owns a fief said: Nope, we don't honor what we said cause bonesaw didn't either.
Nope sounds like not honoring your words to me.
Anders, before laying into the situation half-cocked. Re-read what I just edited in. Thanks.
Naw, cause it's STILL like that(click to show/hide)
Their ONLY fief? They took amashak village(sure we CAN ignore this if you want, it's only a village). So that's a lie. Also: Only faction to break agreements is a bold faced propaganda LIE. There's been MORE than 1 faction, so don't spin that Bullshit to me.
Teutonic Ring a Bell? How Bout the LL/Saxton issue? LCO/FCC snafu over Samarra Castle? LL Breaking of their Word in Raven land(attacking FCC traders)? Want me to continue? Even your faction has made some shifty agreements(well, depending on which incarnation...)
If anything, I do believe you're not only being stubborn, but a right asshat. Of course, if you aren't willing to attack HoC's feifs, don't be posturing on the forums. Back your word up.
In fact, I've been one of the only people to honor their word 100% and haven't broken a single deal, ever.
I apologize for not seeing amashak village currently under their control but the intent of that message still stands: Bonesaw is the de facto leader of that clan and there has been zero evidence to the contrary, atleast none that I or the other CC leadership consider legitimate. Saxton was a internal FCC issue. LL never outright broke a agreement with us, they just did not follow our rules in our lands and were punished for it and payed us restitution for the issue. I did forget about Teutonic but perhaps I should preface my words with any current 'ACTIVE CLAN'.
Now regarding my faction having shifty agreements (NH or Raven), oh really? I would like to know more about those, considering I have brokered every single Raven one myself and not a single one has been broken by us. Attacking me personally over this is asinine, Anders, what exactly have I done to you to deserve such treatment?It's in refrence to some things WFA have said. Which is why I said Shifty, because I'm not 100% on this, but I gathered from them(and your slightly public admonition of it (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/a-word-on-goblins/msg869009/#msg869009)) to be less than savory. You've done much the same as HoC has done here.
Now regarding attacking HoC fiefs... where have we ever said we would? I personally have directed the Raven armies to not bother HoC armies/fiefs currently because when The Central Cenfederacy formed we cancelled all our current military actions.Well, if that happened, K.
LCO/FCC Snafu over samarra. LCO broke NPA 3 days early cause FCC took in Badplayer after he glitch sacked the Castle. Both clans STILL active-ish(?)
badplayer didnt glitch the castle. one of his friends unsigned the defense so he got it. it was sketchy as fuck but he didnt hack the game or anything.
Right... (http://forum.melee.org/strategus-issues/unhiring-samarra-castle%27s-defenses/msg812328/#msg812328) It probably was internal drama, but either way, it wasn't through a fight.
LCO/FCC Snafu over samarra. LCO broke NPA 3 days early cause FCC took in Badplayer after he glitch sacked the Castle. Both clans STILL active-ish(?)
It's in refrence to some things WFA have said. Which is why I said Shifty, because I'm not 100% on this, but I gathered from them(and your slightly public admonition of it (http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/a-word-on-goblins/msg869009/#msg869009)) to be less than savory. You've done much the same as HoC has done here.
And the NH deal was done via Diggles, but I apply it to the faction as a whole, during my contract work for y'all.
Well, if that happened, K.
Now for the NH deal you had, at the time I was not a clan officer and not party its details. If you would like to discuss it with me, I am sure we can come to a understanding regarding that.
The only thing about it, was the fact that Diggles never paid me for a secondary objective. He gave me a "I will confer." As the battle was outside of direct contract, but part of the contract overall, I requested at the time some 20k-40k gold(which was hefty for how early it was in strat). And as part of it, I don't like respeccing villages, but that was contract so I did it.(1 of only 2 villages I attempted to respecc, the other being my new village i conquered for myself)
I don't have anything left from then, it was all deleted later.(like any contract I've done.)
If you would provide to me the name of the Raven member who treated you in such a way, I will see they are reprimanded. But I doubt that this kind of conversation actually took place. Atleast not in the manner in which you are relaying.
Regarding your lost gear or goods: You will get them back, apparently a agreement was made and we will keep to the agreement. The same can not be said about how your faction handles its affairs.
Now to speak of your screenshots and their content: At not point in the mission briefing is what I said a lie. HoC, under Bonesaw, is the single faction in this strat to willfully break multiple agreements with whom they had a treaty. This is a fact that even Bonesaw acknowledges. As for how I feel about Bonesaw personally, I rather like the fellow. In his more lucid moments he and I had many friendly conversation and I look forward to them in the future. But what he and HoC did is inexcusable to the Raven mindset and our actions in the past and going forward are completely justified.
Too much typing not enough exp. Get to the fighting already.
...The fact that we were attacked in lands you don't even own, and then after peaceful negotiations you continued to post that briefing is what warranted this forum post.
And about what you said in the briefing, yes, simply put, it is a lie. Bonesaw, while the owner of Almerra, no longer does anything in strat except for advise those of us who are newer (helps us with strat mechanics, not diplomacy) and hand out gear/troops/gold when asked. We gladly let him keep control of Almerra since he is hands down what makes HoC HoC. In strat if nothing else he is our mascot. The King must be the one to hold our capital fief. And you have said you will never trust HoC as long as Bonesaw is in control of our only feif... he has voluntarily offered to hand it over to one of us on several occasions but we have passed up on the offer for reasons I previously stated. Just because he holds our main fief doesn't mean he is our current leader in strat... after all, when was the last time you dealt with him personally in any form of negotiations? As Anders pointed out, HoC is not by a long shot the only faction to break an agreement. Strat is based around diplomacy, which entails backstabs and betrayals... something needs to happen to spice things up from time to time.
The drama continues. I'll just leave this here.(click to show/hide)
autistic friend racist frenchman
TL;DR
Disclaimer: I am not speaking for anyone within HoC, I am merely posting this on my own behalf because I know Relitwillshould see this.
Fun fact: When Relit called me a coward on the forums after taking my beloved Halmar... I went to speak with him in TS. I thought it was only fair that we strike up a duel since he called me a coward. I told him I'll duel him and loser has to sacrifice a +3 to the winner.
He told me to quit being butt hurt and he was merely role playing... I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him for a +3, since he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it. He declined the duel and shortly left to another channel.
Fun fact 2: I'm fucking awful at this game and was literally prepared to give up a +3 because there was a high probability of my loss... regardless though -
Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian told me he couldn't possibly duel me because the only +3 he has was gifted to him...
So we actually never needed to duel because he showed his true colors within seconds of my duel offer.
I told you it was a RP post and left the channel to go talk to my clanmates. You came into our TS to pick a fight because you were upset. Ask anybody who knows me in this game. I would never say the words "butt hurt". Seriously it was a RP post, please just let it go and spare us all this. No matter how much prefacing you put on this, those kind of posts reflect on your clan.No matter how much "preface" you put on it being RP...it is still something you say with full intent.
those kind of posts reflect on your clan.
I told you it was a RP post and left the channel to go talk to my clanmates. You came into our TS to pick a fight because you were upset. Ask anybody who knows me in this game. I would never say the words "butt hurt". Seriously it was a RP post, please just let it go and spare us all this. No matter how much prefacing you put on this, those kind of posts reflect on your clan.
peasant knave swine who can only eat if the bread gets too burned, and is discarded in your direction.
I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him
he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it
Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian...
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I'm getting butt-hurt vibes. I don't know if it's just me, or what, but I'm getting butt-hurt vibes. I also disagree with Sanderson. I think this is a great thread, full of fantastic role play and homoeroticism.
It's times like these I wish I just played Call of Duty.
TL;DR
Disclaimer: I am not speaking for anyone within HoC, I am merely posting this on my own behalf because I know Relitwillshould see this.
Fun fact: When Relit called me a coward on the forums after taking my beloved Halmar... I went to speak with him in TS. I thought it was only fair that we strike up a duel since he called me a coward. I told him I'll duel him and loser has to sacrifice a +3 to the winner.
He told me to quit being butt hurt and he was merely role playing... I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him for a +3, since he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it. He declined the duel and shortly left to another channel.
Fun fact 2: I'm fucking awful at this game and was literally prepared to give up a +3 because there was a high probability of my loss... regardless though -
Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian told me he couldn't possibly duel me because the only +3 he has was gifted to him...
So we actually never needed to duel because he showed his true colors within seconds of my duel offer.
We aren't under some neutrality agreement as you've said. Just because all of the old wars were ended does not imply that they can not be started anew.
TL;DR
Disclaimer: I am not speaking for anyone within HoC, I am merely posting this on my own behalf because I know Relitwillshould see this.
Fun fact: When Relit called me a coward on the forums after taking my beloved Halmar... I went to speak with him in TS. I thought it was only fair that we strike up a duel since he called me a coward. I told him I'll duel him and loser has to sacrifice a +3 to the winner.
He told me to quit being butt hurt and he was merely role playing... I wasn't butt hurt, I just wanted to duel him for a +3, since he thought he could call me a coward and get away with it. He declined the duel and shortly left to another channel.
Fun fact 2: I'm fucking awful at this game and was literally prepared to give up a +3 because there was a high probability of my loss... regardless though -
Relit, the autistic friend racist frenchman thinks I'm a coward, yet this manure shoveling plebeian told me he couldn't possibly duel me because the only +3 he has was gifted to him...
So we actually never needed to duel because he showed his true colors within seconds of my duel offer.
I don't reckon Relit really digs talking to you folks anymore, if you've got shit to say go ahead and add me on steam and say your piece.
Basically, here's how it is and I don't imagine that anything more needs to be said. This whole damn thing is stupid. Tretter attacked accidentally, and he said he'd give you your shit back. That's gonna happen; our concern ain't the gear. The attack was an accident and it wasn't sanctioned by anybody other than maybe Jack or Havelle, but I ain't sure about all that. Regardless, I know for a fact Relit/Artyem didn't say "Yeah Tretter, go ahead and attack this HoC guy." It should be noted that if Tretter asked me if he could attack, I would have told him that he could. We aren't under some neutrality agreement as you've said. Just because all of the old wars were ended does not imply that they can not be started anew.
Here's how shit's gonna be. If we see one of your dudes running around, don't assume we aren't going to attack you. We ain't assuming that you aren't going to attack us. This isn't a war declaration. I don't really see any reason beyond RP anyway to declare war on someone. You'll know it if we do that shit.
Nothing further should be said on this subject. This whole damn thread was pretty stupid, and your intent was to show that you think Relit is a *insert insult here*. You've accomplished that, maybe you've convinced other people that you're correct as well. Let this thread die, please. It has served its purpose.
AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELVES. YOU READ THESE POSTS AND CONTINUE TO RESPOND WITH INSULT AND WEAK DEFENSES OF YOUR POSITION, YET NO MESSAGE, NO ENVOY, NOT EVEN A POST IS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME IN RESPONSE TO OUR OFFICIAL DIPLOMATIC STATUS, EXCEPT TO UNOFFICIALLY DENY OUR NEUTRALITY FURTHER. AM I TO THINK WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR THIS WHOLE TIME, DESPITE THE BLATANT TRUTH OF PEACE DECLARED BY YOU YOURSELVES, AND WHICH I PERSONALLY CONFIRMED AND AGREED TO WITH RELIT HIMSELF, AND THAT THE MIGHTY CLANS OF RAVEN, DRACUL, AND FRISIA HAVE BEEN TOLD TO HIDE BEHIND THEIR WALLS BY THEIR LEADERS FROM THE TWO-FIEF HoC? IS THIS WHAT YOU EXPECT THE COMMUNITY TO BELIEVE? OR WILL YOU MAN THE FUCK UP, ADMIT YOUR MISTAKE IN CONTRADICTING YOURSELVES AND PROVOKING HOSTILITIES, AND FUCKING COME TO ME TO TALK LIKE MEN SO WE MAY RESOLVE THIS ISSUE WITH CIVILITY AND NEVER AGAIN RETURN TO THE THE HELL-HOLE THAT IS THE FUCKING FORUMS OF SHIT-FLINGING FUCKERY WITH THIS ISSUE? TELL ME WHAT IT WILL BE, FOR IF YOU CONTINUE TO IGNORE THIS ISSUE AND LEAVE OUR CLANS AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS, IT WILL BE YOUR OWN FAULT, YOUR OWN SHAME TO BEAR, YOUR OWN DISHONOR, YOUR OWN HUMILITY, AND YOUR OWN JACK-ASSERY TO ACCEPT, AS WE WILL ASSUME YOU MAY ATTACK AT ANY TIME AND PLACE, AND SO WILL HANDLE OUR DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH YOU ACCORDINGLY.
I HEREBY DECLARE THIS THREAD OBSOLETE AND CLOSED. REJOICE!
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All these NA Drama posts fornothingthe lolz.. sigh less xp.
Woah, I never knew HoC was this autistic. Like, this isn't your normal everyday autism. This is advanced autism.
By the way Jona, you do realize that you're trying to compare a malicious breaking of a treaty by HoC to a Raven casually saying "alright, we're not REALLY at war with anyone right now" and then attacking you? Like your whole premise has the intellectual quality of a bucket of rancid frog cum.
Lol, just had to go and throw your autism into this dead thread? Okay, I'll bite to keep everyone else entertained. Let's see exactly what I am comparing here. HoC's breaking of their old treaties to Raven's/CC's breaking of their vow of neutrality. Alrighty, here goes.. let's see how hard it is to pierce that thick skull of yours.
1) HoC yoloswag charge of glory: declares war on all nearby factions for the lulz and the xp.
vs.
2) Raven/CC declaring neutrality then immediately attacking someone based on an old, ended, war.
Seems like equal cases of "oath breaking", and if not Raven's/CC's is definitely the worse offense... a lolzy "declaration of war" against everyone so that we could burn up all our useless tickets and gear vs. a serious declaration of neutrality followed up by an attack. Thanks for stopping by daruvian and proving once again that you are so severely lacking in the IQ department that the only reason you yet cling to life is by feeding off your mother's saggy tit.(click to show/hide)
1) HoC yoloswag charge of glory: declares war on all nearby factions for the lulz and the xp.
you mean the "bonesaw is butthurt charge of butthurtiness"?
Does it really matter? Bone pretty much said "I'm tired of this shit, lets get out." All of HoC was down for the xp battles and went with it. Butthurt reasons or not, it was all a yolo charge to breath some life back into a dead strat.
The fact that you insist on further pursuing this argument despite the diplomatic agreements that were made earlier proves to me that you are highly incompetent, I guess I already knew that though.
Hah... thats a good one right there... coming from someone who is quite illiterate, apparently. Read the fucking thread and you will see this is not the case. The amount of pretentious asshole you manage to stuff into all of your posts is really quite sickening.
As far as "blaming ravens for something blah blah blah" I have already come to terms with them; it was apparently an accident that was carried out by an ignorant member of their carebear alliance. The fact still stands that as diplomat or whatever he is/was, Relit can indeed be held accountable for not keeping everyone up to date in his faction after declaring neutrality / ending all prior wars. But as I have reiterated time and time again, this is behind us, so it doesn't much matter anymore. The fact that the members of your 'glorious alliance' keep bringing this up only further solidifies your spot as a highly disorganized faction... this matter is dealt with, and yet you can't let it rest.
Daruvian isn't in our "great alliance", and if you think you're done here then lock the thread and stop bringing it up yourself you hypocrite mongoloid.
Tretter was brought into the faction by a Frisian member, I didn't even realize he was in the CC until he attacked you guys. Blaming Relit for that once, and then again in that post only further proves my point that you literally know nothing of the situation at hand. Go back to being useless in your castle and stop pretending to be relevant. I understand you want to be noticed because HoC is no longer disbanded, but creating a useless shitposting thread only reminds us of your already atrocious reputation.
edit: Havelle is also not in the CC.
jesus christ no amount of my shitposting can make this man realize that no one cares about his autistic angry nerd ramblings. Next time you make a post please consider "WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THE THINGS I AM WRITING?"
Can't we just go back to you guys attacking Unuzdaq Castle, realizing you're shit when you only kill like 500 of us, and then being quiet about it? Like, that is all that needs to happen.
NUT UP OR SHUT UP AUTISTE.
everyone please stop
talking to some dumbass who blames an entire faction for just one man's words who was in a different faction altogether.
Simmer down now, I think you might be getting a bit too rowdy over this internet drama.
I'm just pointing out how ridiculous this thread is, you essentially did nothing for your clan but increase hostility between our two factions. I guess I should have expected as much though, because in the end I'm just
http://c-rpg.net/?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5453
lol
Um... yeah, I'm talking to a couple dumbasses here, and from the CC faction they happen to be Artyem and Sandersson. I have yet to blame your entire faction for one man's words. You made this a personal fight between you and I, and I responded in kind.
Also learn some basic math principles, please, before saying that number is somewhere below 500.
And to help you guys out, since you seem to be having such a hard time here:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
Read up fellahs, can save yourself any further embarrassment.
also he said " realizing you're shit when you only kill like 500 of us" not " realizing you're shit when you only kill less than 500 of us".
I do believe you are mistaken, Mr. "I can tell exactly how a person is in real life by reading some words that chance would have appeared after they rolled their face across the keyboard." I was not actually calling yourselves trolls at all, but I was hoping you would see that this whole time I have been sitting here, egging you guys on, watching you go through all of this trouble to show off the size of your epeen... when in fact I couldn't care less about any of it. It's late, I'm bored, and finally tired enough to go to sleep. So I thank you guys, really, I do, for putting on such a show and I hope you enjoyed being slaves to my amusement.
Anyways, I bid you all a goodnight, and if you enjoyed this experience, I will remember to bring out the whip some other time to keep this going... nothing better to do whilst waiting for sleep to come.
Nobody is trolled. You think these people are trolled. These people think you are trolled. From an outside perspective it is truly disgusting, a pot of nerds all thinking they have the upper hand on the other nerd, but in reality it's all just a bunch of nerds thinking they're funny and the other side is mad. True autism.
Only aderyns signature can describe this.(click to show/hide)
Thanks for the compliment Matey, however I fear your words are misplaced... a quick way to check yourself to avoid further confusion between diplomacy and derplomacy is check whether or not you are on the crpg forums. If so, you are in the realm of derplomacy, where all that is posted is trolling or shitposting. Seeing how this is indeed part of the crpg forums, the proper term would be best derplomat.
It's times like these I wish I just played Call of Duty.
And I suppose trolling might not be the most accurate description... just throwing tinder on the bonfire.