Afaik horn and tatar are both composite bows while the longbow is a one material bow made out of a material (wood) that has a rather low maximum spring speed. That means even with decreasing the arrow weight the longbow would hit an upper limit for projectile speed, which is around 60 m/s iirc. A composite bow circumvents that problem with using a high spring speed material in combination with the slower wood. Steel, as used in high powered crossbow, has a high maximum speed as well.I'm sorry but from realism point of view it doesn't make sense.
So yes, one has to imagine in cRPG that the longbow uses different, heavier arrows than other bows. But that is what happens in reality anyway. Also Tydeus did it.
I give up. Instead of writing "maximum spring speed" again and again I'll just say it's slower because we felt like making it so.So if you give up..... maybe you can hear all of us and consider to do something? >.>
*I* get it, but, when has cRPG been balanced around realism?
And yes i miss uni and writing essays.
The English exaggerated the shit out of their national weapon.it might of been an English weapon but i know the best archers came from Wales, so maybe the Welsh had a more accurate statement.
was there a special class of how to write nothing with using a lot words?
No, because you didn't get my point. My claim was that the longbow was a good weapon because it could launch heavy war arrows which are needed to defeat armour. However the longbow was not able to produce high shot speeds with lighter arrows because of the spring speed limitation of a wooden one material bow...etc.snip.
I'd actually like to make the longbow a rather low price(around 6k) weapon and have a similar sized composite bow take the top price spot. I just dunno if those existed.I still won't agree with you about arrows.... different arrows with same starting speed may come from different length of time arrow is accelerating on the bow, and it's certainly less with smaller bows. Faster acceleration = higher chance to break = harder arrows need to be used.
I just don't get why the Longbow is the most expensive weapon, it's a piece of shit compared to the other bows. And I don't even use an archer, it's just obvious.
IMO the longbow should have the highest missile speed, and damage. But the slowest draw speed. I don't get why some of the fastest draw bows would also have the highest missile speed. It seems counter-intuitive from a gameplay or realism perspective.
Question of the day, are there going to be any changes to bows, or do we admit the superiority of the composite bow and everyone, who hasn't already done so, should switch to those?
Don't forget that you can hold the draw for a long time on the Long Bow. Having a slow draw also means more time to line up the crosshairs, so overall its lack of speed can be a boon to some archers who want more time for precise shots.Are we playing the same game?
And missile speed is a personal thing as well, a lot of ranged (myself included when I was HA) tend to stick with one ranged weapon and simply internalize the missile speed. It becomes a gut thing, and doesn't factor into a weapon's effectiveness once you're used to and competent with it.
Don't forget that you can hold the draw for a long time on the Long Bow. Having a slow draw also means more time to line up the crosshairs, so overall its lack of speed can be a boon to some archers who want more time for precise shots.If you call Long Bow's draw holding time with normal crosshair long, then all the short bows' time is forever.
And missile speed is a personal thing as well, a lot of ranged (myself included when I was HA) tend to stick with one ranged weapon and simply internalize the missile speed. It becomes a gut thing, and doesn't factor into a weapon's effectiveness once you're used to and competent with it.
*I* get it, but, when has cRPG been balanced around "realism"?
Yeah, but, as stated, this achieved the exact opposite, as horn/tatar bows are now almost the only bows in use.
Yeah, but, as stated, this achieved the exact opposite, as horn/tatar bows are now almost the only bows in use.
I think all that was done was made the rus/long bow much less appealing to use, and made the lighter bows way more appealing.This was one of the main objectives; these two bows were being used far too often. As Gurnisson said, it's better to have archers preferring to use weapons that don't one shot melee. Even if the changes went a bit further than intended, not only can tweaks still be done, but overall gameplay would seem to be enhanced. Fewer 1shots without implementing any actual nerfs or major game mechanics changes that would decrease the maximum damage potential or overall effectiveness of any bows.
archers preferring to use weapons that don't one shot melee.
This was one of the main objectives; these two bows were being used far too often. As Gurnisson said, it's better to have archers preferring to use weapons that don't one shot melee. Even if the changes went a bit further than intended, not only can tweaks still be done, but overall gameplay would seem to be enhanced. Fewer 1shots without implementing any actual nerfs or major game mechanics changes that would decrease the maximum damage potential or overall effectiveness of any bows.
Yeah, but, as stated, this achieved the exact opposite, as horn/tatar bows are now almost the only bows in use.
Together with the recent nerfs it has tempted me to go horn bow this gen - and I could puke.Which ones are those, I must have missed them?
Which ones are those, I must have missed them?
recent nerfs
arrow speed? loomed arrows useless, insane upkeep/break rate, etc.pp.Projectile speed wasn't nerfed, it was actually buffed for most bows, meaning effectiveness was not lost. The upkeep and break chance thing isn't recent, it has been around for quite a while. It's perfectly acceptable to disagree with changes, but at least get your facts straight.
well - what gear do you use stevee?29,833 gold Cost
So basically you balanced the stats, but not the price. I like the 1356 gold Nomad Bow now more than 11 100 Long bow even though upkeep is a non-issue for me. Those lower tier bows shoot almost as straight as a crossbow making them much easier to hit with than Long Bow. I think the balance needs to be rethought and looms buffed a bit (same damage loomed, one less otherwise) to reduce the amount of ranged.Suggesting that an archer's best counter to the most expensive items in the game should be cheap? No, the price needed to stay high. It's true that it might be a bit too expensive, but I certainly don't believe anything dramatic should be done. We don't want to return to the days where everyone had archer alts for gold farming.
Suggesting that an archer's best counter to the most expensive items in the game should be cheap? No, the price needed to stay high. It's true that it might be a bit too expensive, but I certainly don't believe anything dramatic should be done. We don't want to return to the days where everyone had archer alts for gold farming.
Suggesting that an archer's best counter to the most expensive items in the game should be cheap? No, the price needed to stay high. It's true that it might be a bit too expensive, but I certainly don't believe anything dramatic should be done. We don't want to return to the days where everyone had archer alts for gold farming.