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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Christo on October 09, 2013, 05:47:12 pm

Title: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Christo on October 09, 2013, 05:47:12 pm
http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/09/russian-government-in-talks-to-develop-patriotic-games-report/ (http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/09/russian-government-in-talks-to-develop-patriotic-games-report/)

Ridiculous.

Shit like this is why the world dislikes Russia.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: [ptx] on October 09, 2013, 05:55:11 pm
Reminds me of Mission of Honor (http://kotaku.com/5802563/china-has-its-own-americas-army).

Also, not trying to defend Russian censorship and propaganda, but... there aren't really that many games, that would portray the USA in a bad light and aren't banned, aren't there? Actually, i am having a hard time imagining any at this moment...
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Materia on October 09, 2013, 06:01:47 pm
The Russian point of view, is the only propper, valid and accepted point of view.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Christo on October 09, 2013, 06:03:10 pm
Although I doubt U.S government would ban a game just because you shoot Marines, look at Spec Ops The Line for an example.

.. which got banned in the Emirates, because it showed Dubai in ruins. Are people in the east completely retarded or what?

It's just a videogame, entertainment. Get over it
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Rumblood on October 09, 2013, 06:03:26 pm
Reminds me of Mission of Honor (http://kotaku.com/5802563/china-has-its-own-americas-army).

Also, not trying to defend Russian censorship and propaganda, but... there aren't really that many games, that would portray the USA in a bad light and aren't banned, aren't there? Actually, i am having a hard time imagining any at this moment...

I'm having a hard time thinking of any that are banned...

Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: zagibu on October 09, 2013, 06:07:15 pm
In the West, the market would make sure those games are not successful. No need for bans.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Kafein on October 09, 2013, 06:08:39 pm
Anyone remember Six Days in Fallujah ?

Btw this "Belgian indie You Don’t Mess With Putin" seems worthy of my interest. But are they going to ban Stalin vs Aliens ?
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Christo on October 09, 2013, 06:09:31 pm
But are they going to ban Stalin vs Aliens ?

Definitely

))
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: [ptx] on October 09, 2013, 06:12:50 pm
I'm having a hard time thinking of any that are banned...


Hmm, ok, i'll take that back, was pretty sure there were some. In any case, you can't deny that the vast majority of video games, that involve some sort of warfare, whether historical or fictional, tend to portray US as some sort of guardian angel of all things good, which is a form of propaganda too.

I haven't exactly played a game, where i get to play as a native american during the colonisation period, in a historically accurate way.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Christo on October 09, 2013, 06:15:22 pm
Paradox games are as close as you can get if you make AI behaviour more "real" in EUIII for an example.

But I guess you want to slaughter Spaniards with your own hands, now that's something I've never heard of.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Kafein on October 09, 2013, 06:23:26 pm
Well the truth is not that many games are all white about the US at least. Very few are mean and serious though.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Havoco on October 12, 2013, 10:21:05 pm
Hmm, ok, i'll take that back, was pretty sure there were some. In any case, you can't deny that the vast majority of video games, that involve some sort of warfare, whether historical or fictional, tend to portray US as some sort of guardian angel of all things good, which is a form of propaganda too.

I haven't exactly played a game, where i get to play as a native american during the colonisation period, in a historically accurate way.
AC3 didn't really portray the US realistically, but they didn't portray America in a positive light either.

There's other games that I can't think of but that's definitely one.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Miwiw on October 12, 2013, 10:33:33 pm
I haven't exactly played a game, where i get to play as a native american during the colonisation period, in a historically accurate way.
Or as an African during slavery. I would invest into such a game, just for the lolz. =)
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Segd on October 12, 2013, 10:39:58 pm
One day we will hang all this retards. But banned games is lesser problem in Russia now. :?
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Swaggart on October 12, 2013, 11:22:52 pm
http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/09/russian-government-in-talks-to-develop-patriotic-games-report/ (http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/09/russian-government-in-talks-to-develop-patriotic-games-report/)

Ridiculous.

Shit like this is why the world dislikes Russia.

It's just a videogame, entertainment. Get over it
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on October 12, 2013, 11:27:17 pm
Prohibition is never a good way of settling things but so is propaganda through every means possible, including shitton of movies and games. Well, this one is not a game but I have one pretty example stuck to my mind like black tar. That "Black Hawk Down" movie. The scene where the aircraft goes down and children jump around the wreckage like imps from hell... You see the dead soldier and a photo of his family in his hand (not sure if he was holding it). And nobody even asks: "What the fuck is the USA army doing in Somali" for example.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Franke on October 12, 2013, 11:39:24 pm
I wouldn't say that there is something like "censorship" (apart from age restrictions ofc) about video games in the west, but still in some cases video games are regarded as means of "propaganda". Wasn't there a game that should promote service in the US armed forces? America's Army or something?

Sometimes I'm glad that we in Germany "only" have to mess around with those age restriction issues ("please no blood in video games"). Imagine they would ban games that show Germany in a negative light. The market for strategy and shooter games would partially collapse...  :D
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Xant on October 12, 2013, 11:40:57 pm
Germany is the worst place in the West when it comes to censorship.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Franke on October 12, 2013, 11:42:05 pm
Germany is the worst place in the West when it comes to censorship.

Depends from which point of view you see it.

EDIT: I agree that sometimes political correctness is an even worse censor than all Goebbels and Himmlers together.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Xant on October 12, 2013, 11:42:38 pm
Uh, the objective point of view?
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Franke on October 12, 2013, 11:43:53 pm
Sry, see my edit.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Xant on October 12, 2013, 11:44:30 pm
Still not sure what you're talking about. No other country in the West censors as much as Germany.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Leshma on October 13, 2013, 12:34:38 am
Still not sure what you're talking about. No other country in the West censors as much as Germany.

What about Australia?
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Xant on October 13, 2013, 12:37:01 am
What about Australia?
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2013, 12:38:52 am
Germany is the worst place in the West when it comes to censorship.

What they've done to C&C Generals as example, is shameful.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Artyem on October 13, 2013, 04:39:33 am
Hmm, ok, i'll take that back, was pretty sure there were some. In any case, you can't deny that the vast majority of video games, that involve some sort of warfare, whether historical or fictional, tend to portray US as some sort of guardian angel of all things good, which is a form of propaganda too.

These games also aren't created or funded by the Government, and even the ones that are (America's Army) don't portray the USA as the "guardian angel of all things good".  America's Army 3 was set in your typical U.S intervention over a smaller country's internal problems.  And even then, the gameplay itself was advertisement for the actual meaning behind the game itself, as it was made to educate people on the "standard and beliefs" of the U.S Army.

However, games like Call of Duty often portray the U.S as the good guys do so because it's just easier.  It's simple to go "U.S good guys" because the largest portion of their market is in the U.S itself, and everybody knows American's are patriotic and love to see their own country in a positive light.

Shit, even the newest America's Army basically portrays the entire game as "war games" or training missions, what with the simunition (paint rounds) and all that.

edit:

I like to "quote" things.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: rufio on October 13, 2013, 04:47:26 am
alot of ''u.s'' games are extremely patriotic, just a side note here.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Xant on October 13, 2013, 05:09:03 am
Because the game developers make them that way. Not because they'd be censored if they weren't.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Rumblood on October 13, 2013, 05:09:39 am
Prohibition is never a good way of settling things but so is propaganda through every means possible, including shitton of movies and games. Well, this one is not a game but I have one pretty example stuck to my mind like black tar. That "Black Hawk Down" movie. The scene where the aircraft goes down and children jump around the wreckage like imps from hell... You see the dead soldier and a photo of his family in his hand (not sure if he was holding it). And nobody even asks: "What the fuck is the USA army doing in Somali" for example.

If you think Hollywood is an arm of the U.S. government, especially the right-wing war monger gun toting conservative faction of it, you don't know America. Movies and games produced in the U.S. have one thing in mind when they are made and that is how much money people will pay to see it or play it. Propaganda is created with the purpose of influencing the way people think about a topic. It isn't propaganda when you are delivering the message people are paying you to say. America isn't a Democracy or a Republic. It is a Capitalist state and money is what directs its actions. Just ask the Supreme Court who ruled not so long ago that money is speech and corporations are people.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: rufio on October 13, 2013, 05:44:00 am
Because the game developers make them that way. Not because they'd be censored if they weren't.

i never made such a statement, ofc the sensorship part is immoral. just made the comment to point out alot of american games have a patriotic perspective. and one can always wonder if money is being pumped into the businesses to make them that way.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Xant on October 13, 2013, 06:24:36 am
Patriotic how?
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Rumblood on October 13, 2013, 05:52:24 pm
i never made such a statement, ofc the sensorship part is immoral. just made the comment to point out alot of american games have a patriotic perspective. and one can always wonder if money is being pumped into the businesses to make them that way.

Of course it is, from the people who buy them. Murica! Fuck yeah!

The difference here is that we don't need the government to tell us to be patriotic, or more to the point, to force us to be patriotic. We don't need no propaganda.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: zagibu on October 13, 2013, 06:08:16 pm
Of course it is, from the people who buy them. Murica! Fuck yeah!

The difference here is that we don't need the government to tell us to be patriotic, or more to the point, to force us to be patriotic. We don't need no propaganda.

Actually, propaganda is exactly the reason why you are so patriotic. It's just not enforced.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Rumblood on October 13, 2013, 10:04:14 pm
Actually, propaganda is exactly the reason why you are so patriotic. It's just not enforced.

You keep telling yourself that. Rich people don't need to be told to be happy that they are rich. Americans don't need to be told to be happy we live here.  :idea:
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Xant on October 13, 2013, 10:22:10 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Kafein on October 13, 2013, 11:35:25 pm
I live in one of the richest countries in the world, yet kids in school don't have to hang a flag or chant the national anthem. Hell they don't even know it.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Miwiw on October 13, 2013, 11:37:39 pm
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@ Kafein? :D
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: zagibu on October 14, 2013, 01:04:47 am
You keep telling yourself that. Rich people don't need to be told to be happy that they are rich. Americans don't need to be told to be happy we live here.  :idea:

Being happy to live somewhere does not imply patriotism. If you really think there isn't an above-average propaganda in American media compared to other developed countries, you have probably never been abroad for a longer time. It goes far, and deep. I once had an English teacher from America who, at the start of his first semester, was of the opinion American media is the most objective and neutral media in the world. At the end of the semester, he wasn't of this opinion any more. I find this very concerning, that even the supposedly educated people are not aware of this fact.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 01:22:09 am
Implying formal education signifies anything.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Rumblood on October 14, 2013, 01:35:20 am
The problem is that you don't know America, you know European propaganda of America  :P

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Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 14, 2013, 01:42:08 am
Being happy to live somewhere does not imply patriotism. If you really think there isn't an above-average propaganda in American media compared to other developed countries, you have probably never been abroad for a longer time. It goes far, and deep. I once had an English teacher from America who, at the start of his first semester, was of the opinion American media is the most objective and neutral media in the world. At the end of the semester, he wasn't of this opinion any more. I find this very concerning, that even the supposedly educated people are not aware of this fact.

a lot of "smart" people know the media(on all sides) is biased as hell. It's only the "dumb" people who don't. Sadly, that's a large majority of Americans. I do tend to find most American sources to be slightly less biased on certain catagories than their EU counterparts, and vice versa, depending on the subject.

News is nothing more than a propaganda machine, regardless of the country.
Title: Re: Russia to pay for 'patriotic' games, may ban 'falsely negative' ones
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 09:36:56 am
“A video game has to have not only an entertainment value, but it also has to teach and be conducive to patriotic education.”