Just retire you gay baby.
It's a bummer, and it would be nice to have the auctions pop up more frequent. At least Hunting Crossbow is still pretty beastly +3 with +3 Steel Bolts; that's what Riran switched his loadout to after the change.
Ok, so a long time ago, when chadz made all crossbows 2 slots, it was stated that training lessons would be auctioned more frequently
if the price of training lessons is over around 2.75m, I will consider it's not reasonable and I won't buy it.
Yeah, doesn't help my +3 xbow, +3 arb, +3 steel bolts, +3 longsword, +3 katana, +3 miaodao.....That's like 18 generations of looms that were made incompatible. And now I have to pay 3+ million to NOT be able to use them together.
lol, all I can do is laugh and shake my head at the poor decision-making that has happened over and over again. The entire mod is riding on the coat tails of two amazing ideas made over 3 years ago, followed by poor decisions one after another. Proof that one good idea can get you pretty far. But if things continue this way, we're going to see exactly how far that one good idea can take you without supporting good policies.
you just got 2.65 mil from selling 3 loompoints, and you are complaining about this?
If they introduced daily respecs, it wouldn't hurt any of you arguing against it.
This will help new players because now with less gold, looms become more valuable again since a large pool of gold has just been removed from the playerbase.
3) Introducing respecs now would be a dagger in the back of people that wanted respecs for previous patches and never got them. Now that it's your class being nerfed or your items having different slots/difficulty shouldn't change anything.
I think the bigger issue is that thegamemod is still in beta.
I want to remind you that initially training lessons were once a month and now they're once a week. Seems like "more frequently", but what do I know... Also in one gen of playing with cheap (but not necessarily crappy) gear you can earn up to 400 k gold. Play 2 gens, retire 2 times and you have around 1.5 mln gold.
caused people to quit the game due to their builds/equipment being no longer useable.
Great math skills.... seriously, A+ for you.Ever heard of the word "logic"?(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
Ever heard of the word "logic"?(click to show/hide)
You guys keep saying that taking ~3 million out of the economy every week has a big impact on the overal economy. It does not. You need to consider how much money is generated per minute, hour, day or week to truly understand it. On a 70 person server, with everyone on 1x, 3500 gold per minute is generated. That's not that bad, but we know multipliers exist. When half of that 70 players are on 5x, 10500 is generated per minute. If this happens for an hour, thats over 600000 generated in just one hour. Of course, you can say that people are paying repairs, or someone got team balanced or joined late. These are all true, but there can be people getting valor even more players on the server to balance that out. You can also say that the servers are not always so populated, but then you must remember there are many other servers. Also, each minute each player becomes that much closer to their next loom point. So not only do you need to delete gold, you'd aim to delete the gold alternative, which are loom points.
I've been playing for a year now, and loom points are at the lowest price I have ever seen them. They are hovering around 400000, which is proving, we are in fact, not taking enough gold out of the economy.
But I guess it is easy to use short sighted economics to lobby for something you personally want, especially when you don't back it up with numbers, just feelings. You sound like republicans.
Generated, per person. Sounds like clever Rhetoric. BTW the average multi is x2, so you should redo your math. 7000 per minute is generated or 420,000 per hour. That's 1 loom point. So, yea, 3 mln is pretty high. That's not counting repairs, mind you. So for SEVENTY people, you generate less than 1 loompoints worth of gold per hour.
Average was calculated BEFORE the new valour system, so that means it might be like 2.25, but its still right around a x2 average Multi. Murder, if you're going to pull facts, use PROPER facts.
Not to mention that that amount is distributed amongst the whole player base. For 1 day of play, that's on average, 144,000 gold generated(24 block) not counting repairs. Thats 21 days of SOLID 24 hour play to make 3 mln gold, not counting repairs. Or if we assume an average of 5 hours per day of play, at x2, that's 100 days of play to equal 3 mln.
Player skill affects this, but for the majority...
Everyone respecing to the build du jour would actually hurt everyone and take depth out of the game.
Imagine if everyone was at a fixed level like 35 and you could freely respec and play whatever you wanted at all times, also without looms so you could freely use any weapon you wanted without being at a disadvantage.
No_bullshit_just_play
Imagine if everyone was at a fixed level like 35 and you could freely respec and play whatever you wanted at all times, also without looms so you could freely use any weapon you wanted without being at a disadvantage.
No_bullshit_just_play
Sounds basically like Native with different items.
Sounds basically like Native with different items.
Sounds basically like Native with different items.Sounds like you're not very appreciative of all the devs efforts if you think Native + leveling and looms = cRPG.
"Mini respecs" should be sold as a commodity in the equipment shop. They would each allow 1 stat point, 2 skill points, or ~100wpp to be changed. Cost should be 50-100k. This way you could make small tweaks to your build without having to pony up 3 mil for a respec auction, but wholesale class changes would still be prohibitively expensive.
Imagine if everyone was at a fixed level like 35 and you could freely respec and play whatever you wanted at all times, also without looms so you could freely use any weapon you wanted without being at a disadvantage.
No_bullshit_just_play
Imagine if everyone was at a fixed level like 35 and you could freely respec and play whatever you wanted at all times, also without looms so you could freely use any weapon you wanted without being at a disadvantage.
No_bullshit_just_play
Sounds like you're not very appreciative of all the devs efforts if you think Native + leveling and looms = cRPG.
For me the attractive part of cRPG is freedom in choice of build and gear, apart from much better balance, much more enjoyable pubgame and some very considerable improvements to the combat system. Now I get, well I actually I don't but I have been told, that for some people looms and levels are an encouragement to keep playing, but at this point don't the limitations that leveling and looms offer encourage more people to not play than it encourages people to play? Sure, for me personally having 3 level 30+ characters + a stf and access to a decently sized armoury goes a long way into taking away these senseless limitations, but still I can imagine some people can't be bothered to play the only build they are able to play at a competitive level.
Native + leveling/looms = c-RPG.
I think 2 million on the site is fair and does a proper job of removing gold from the economy
Maybe, just maybe, different people have or had different reasons why they came to like this mod so much. :wink:
and sauceman, they didn't changed combat only recently.
Yeah. I definitely don't want to pay 5 million like some people had already, but I feel it should be worth more than a +3 item.
I guess we agree to disagree, since I believe people who are willing to pay for training lessons usually have put in significant time in the game. 500k is good, but I think your estimation on the time required is quite pessimistic. With the extra tick at 6:30, valor , etc, I believe someone with light gear can make 500k in 2-4 gens, a small fraction of exp of a level 34-36. I wonder how much the devs think it should cost..
I believe someone with light gear can make 500k in 2-4 gens,
2-4 gens is a long time of playing in light gear to make that 500k.
Fallen wayyne with his normal gear (tribal warrior outfit, leather gloves and goadeng lol) probably can earn more than 350 k gold in one generation.Nah, imho he may get around +200k max.
What are daily training lessons?
Playing with nothing but a deli cap and a 1h, I make around 15k per usual evening play session, we're looking at a couple of hours of playtime. If you really want it, money does come by quite fast.
you're looking to respec for a few wp points that you had put into crossbow? shut up
The significance of what difference half of my WP being put into something I can't use isn't really the primary topic here. But I do see your point. lol
What I'm really after is a minor tweak to my character, rather than needing a complete respec. I just want to move 150 wpf.
Why don't you just use langes messer or military sickle and keep your build?
Because I have 3 masterworked 2 handers that aren't those 1 handers with a secondary mode. And I prefer to play melee anyhow.Bite the bullet and start trading , That 2.6m should buy you enough 2h/1h hybrid weapons :rolleyes:
It sucks to have your build made invalid, but items are a very liquid asset. A high level character can either sacrifice long hours spent and respec to a lower level or retire to change build. Items can be swapped at near-equal value for other items in a matter of hours if you are in a rush to change things.
Your class isn't the first to be changed and made "invalid" by item and stat changes. It probably won't be the last. Many players would rather change than stop playing CRPG altogether. Some people do leave the game over changes like this. Hope you aren't one of them.
Even keeping your current items, you could alternate between pure 2H for rounds or crossbow-focused with a 2H backup weapon (gasp, unloomed!). I'm not really picky about builds or items so I know you feel differently about the subject, but at least consider alternatives to waiting on the training lessons. You don't have to quit playing because you can't use a crossbow and 2H sword at the same time.
Some people do leave the game over changes like this. Hope you aren't one of them.