I try and stay out of Diplomacy, as I don't want to get involved like I did in the past, I play more casual now with little regard for strat (waiting on Rome 2) but can assure you Hospitaller means no disrespect, Its just hard for them when FCC keeps getting reinforcements from your direction.
I try and stay out of Diplomacy, as I don't want to get involved like I did in the past, I play more casual now with little regard for strat (waiting on Rome 2) but can assure you Hospitaller means no disrespect, Its just hard for them when FCC keeps getting reinforcements from your direction. I understand letting everyone use your lands, as you let Hospitaller for a time being, their issue is you are at our borders making it an easy staging ground for FCC.
FCC could make an army, add trading goods to head your way for a swap, then use that army to reinforce in our lands claiming they were just their to trade and the secondary action was not planned.
Regardless, You did make it clear and gave them fair warning. It just puts them in a very awkward position. I would have thought your best stance would have been to deny all military presence what so ever, meaning heading towards to attack a near by faction, reinforcing staging area or any army meant in a hostile manner. I understand the need for FCC traders to come and openly trade in your area and respect you lads for your neutrality, but allowing armies that then head into your neighbors land to attack or reinforce should be looked at the same way as armies coming in to your lands to attack those said armies, either should be denied.
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just because you failed to catch dildos coming from there
Seems contradictory to let FCC stage armies to march into our lands in Raven territory, and then allow them to retreat back into your lands after provoking us.
Seems contradictory to let FCC stage armies to march into our lands in Raven territory, and then allow them to retreat back into your lands after provoking us.
In case it has not been made clear. Raven and Dracul territories are NEUTRAL territory. Any person traveling inside our territory is under our protection for trade. By attacking inside our territory your trade and passage access will be revoked.
It does not matter. Raven and Dracul regard all parties who have trade access or passage access as traders in our lands and are therefor under our protection. This rule applies to all who have access to our lands (TKoV, Frisia, FCC, Hospitaller, Occitan, SS/FUPA, Chaos, FPF and MB). If any one of those listed factions is attacked in our territory, we will reinforce the trader and revoke the offending parties access.
Any person traveling inside our territory is under our protection for trade. By attacking inside our territory your trade and passage access will be revoked.
So what about armies that march through Raven lands, to deal hostilities in our lands? Are those cleared for "trade" in Raven lands? What happens when these non-trade armies retreat back to your lands after provoking our hostilities by marching into our lands? Seems like harboring of our enemies to me. They stage their attacks from Raven lands, poke our lands, and then retreat back to the safety of your lands.
Somehow I don't think that's what Relit meant with his statements about allowing traders neutrality in their lands.
If you're going to allow hostile armies to march through Raven lands, into our lands, you can't expect us to chase them and then give up pursuit once they hit the imaginary line in the sand that Raven has carved. It's contradictory at best, and harboring our enemies at worst.
If they aren't a trading army, they shouldn't be expecting Raven to protect them. Once they send an army through your lands and into our lands, they should no longer be part of your free trade passage statement, they're clearly a hostile army.
So you allow people to pick fights and then run back to Raven territory for protection. Good to know.
Your stance of neutrality, is in fact not neutral at all in these circumstances.
I'm not trying to dictate how Raven runs their lands. I'm pointing out that you are allowing hostile armies to march through your lands into ours, and then protecting them when they retreat back to your lands from our armies.
So you allow people to pick fights and then run back to Raven territory for protection. Good to know.
Your stance of neutrality, is in fact not neutral at all in these circumstances.
One correction - chesty never actually entered hospitaller lands - the only one who entered was me from ravens lands and I went straight to ichamur. No one made aggression and then "retreated" into their lands. he took a bunch of my gear to get me down to 0 crates after he had already sold all his goods in and then started heading back to our lands without ever leaving ravens territory.
Well thats clearly not true considering when we attacked Chesty he was west of all Raven fiefs, meaning that either he was coming from the the steppes or heading to the steppes.
I can confirm via 2 different Raven members reports that Chesty never left our lands. Was he going to? I have no idea.I agree he never left as we discuseed, it was the fact that he was west of all your fiefs and the only reason to be there was to be leaving your lands and to head to the steppes. Not trying to justify attacking in your lands which we should not have done, just calling out some of the BS being spewed.
I agree he never left as we discuseed, it was the fact that he was west of all your fiefs and the only reason to be there was to be leaving your lands and to head to the steppes. Not trying to justify attacking in your lands which we should not have done, just calling out some of the BS being spewed.
I agree he never left as we discuseed, it was the fact that he was west of all your fiefs and the only reason to be there was to be leaving your lands and to head to the steppes. Not trying to justify attacking in your lands which we should not have done, just calling out some of the BS being spewed.