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Title: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 04, 2013, 12:04:38 am
so guys, what did you eat today?

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You all remember Torben with his training logs and workout challenges. I thought it was a great idea and think it's time to add my own knowledge now. In this case I won't be talking about working out, but about NUTRITION. I did not only leave exercise for what it is because Torben already did that, but also because NUTRITION IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR OF A HEALTHY LIFE AND MAKING YOUR BODY LOOK BETTER.




GENES:

No, it's not genetics that makes you fat, skinny or muscular. It's first of all nutrition, and ofcourse also exercise. Yes there are 3 basic body types and the ectomorph obviously is skinnier and longer while the endomorph looks a big bigger, but THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOUR GENETIC CODE MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE to lose fat and gain muscle (or for some gain fat and gain muscle). And with this I also don't mean you should be sporting two hours or even an hour every day and feel hungry all day, it doesn't even mean you have to leave out fast food.

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MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE:

Let's start with myself, I must admit I have pretty good genes and have always had a healthy youth (parents didn't cook alot of fast food and I have always been doing sports). But, last year, I started doing calisthenics. I started without even knowing what to do, but the internet has a incredible amount of information. I started eating healthier and now even tracking my macro nutrients; I am still gaining muscle and losing body fat.

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CHANGING YOUR EATING/LIFESTYLE HABITS:

Small diet changes do a lot!

This doesnt involve counting calories or any extreme changes to your habits yet, but its a GREAT way to start off.

1)DONT DRINK YOUR CALORIES: drop all soda's, juices, sweetened drinks etc... and drink WATER. Milk is OK as long as you keep it to a minimum. Eating your calories will fill you up much more and you will end up being satisfied with much less calories.

2)DRINK MORE WATER: if you feel hungry, drink two glasses of water before each meal. You will consume less and hey what the heck, water is the most important part of your diet! A lot of people underestimate the amount of water they drink.

3)CONSIDER SMALL BUT IMPORTANT DIET CHANGES: were you about to eat french fries with mayonaise and a glass of coke? Consider baked potatoes with ketchup and water, or at least diet coke.

4) EXERCISE!!!!


workout: cardio vs strenght?

Strength training! Yes, it doesn't matter if you are male or female. underweight or overweight. Do strength training!

but why? Well, let's start with the obvious: if you do strength training you will build more muscle than when you do cardio. This is because cardio only fires the 'slow-twitch' muscle fibers, these are able to do a fairly light work for a very long time (they are aerobic). When you do strength training you will both fire your slow and fast twitch muscle fibers; these last sort of muscle fibers can have a very high force output, but gets tired faster.
So, why would I wan't to build muscle? Because muscle ise the most metabolically expensive tissue in the human body. It takes between 50 and 100 calories a day to only keep 1 pound of it alive, for both men and women, even if you are in a coma living like a plant. Increased muscle mass lets you lose weight without putting extra effort in calorie counting and food selection.

The second reason: Strength training burns MORE calories than cardio. Not only during the exercising, but also because of the metabolism boost AFTER your workout (for as long as 48 hours). I won't use too much words on this and make the images do the talking:

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Ofcourse, this doesn't mean to never do your cardio again. Your heart needs exercise too and nobody wants to be that guy that can't even run for 10 minutes. Do 30-60 minutes of strength training everyday, except on rest days, when you will do cardio.

I know there aren't many, but to all women: don't be afraid to build muscle. You don't have to be scared to become a monster with huge arms and abs, women are just not able to build that amount of muscle without permanent dedication and ofcourse 'roids.


THE BASICS:


nutrition: macro's

Building muscle and losing fat is very easy: if you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. If you eat the same amount of calories as you burn, you maintain your weight. If you eat less, you will lose weight.
If you are trying to gain weight (bulking), you will need to do strength training to use those extra calories to build muscle. If you are trying to lose weight (cutting), you will need to do (yes again) STRENGTH  training.

Important is that when you cut, you don't eat too little. You will feel tired all day and you won't be burning fat anymore, but muscle! Remember that when you are losing more than 1 pound of body weight per week, you are going too fast.
STARVATION IS BAD! Your body will push the fail safe button and your metabolism will slow down, you will burn more muscle than fat because your body will try to store as much fat as possible in order to survive times of hunger and start cannibalizing your dearest muscle tissue. You will feel horrible, your diet will fail and afterwards you will eat and regain everything you lost, plus interest. Because of the same reason, spreading your calories over 6 meals/day is also a better idea, because your body will never feel like it has not enough nutrients so it won't start storing fat for the next period of 6 hours without food.

Watch the following video's and you will have yourself your perfectly safe, custom designed and rather easy diet.





Intermittent fasting

http://www.youtube.com/user/fastingtwins?feature=watch



MYTHS:

'spot reduction'
You see it in all the magazines and  late night tell-sell (consumer group: desperate fatties that are still awake at 3 am because they don't have a life). 'Do you want to get strong and visible abs?' just do sit ups and burn all that excessive fat on your abdominal area. Ofcourse, they will offer you machines that even make you lose that fat without a lot of effort. NO NO NO, uninformed people spend millions every year on these absolutely useless machines.

The body decides how it will distribute the fat over your body, all you can do to get rid of love-handles or man-boobs is to reduce your total bodyfat by doing more aerobic exercise and by eating less.  It is not possible to do spot-removal of fat despite the million dollar industry which tries to sell a gullible public one “love-handle remover” after another!

So how to reduce your fat? Yes you guessed it, exercise (cardio or strenght) and nutrition: exercise a bit more, eat a bit less, drink your water and sleep! Abs are made in the kitchen, not (purely) in the gym, the only reason some people don't have this much wanted '6-pack' is because they have some fat over it.

The myth that you can remove fat in focused areas by doing special exercises is not new. The vibrating belts of the ’50s were promoted for fat removal around the mid-section. Its just not possible to focus fat removal on a particular area, surgery is the only way to do spot-removal of fat deposits.  There are some drugs (like AZT) that cause the body to redistribute fat and focus it in the mid section but as far as I know, nobody has been able to do this in a desirable fashion.




FOOD TIPS:

post workout meal:

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food with lots of protein (and little fat/carbs):

Chicken/turkey breast
Fish (tuna, salmon, halibut)
Lean beaf and veal
pork loin
Cottage cheese, certain other soft, medium or hard cheeses (just look on the back of the package at the nutritional values)
greek yoghurt, Skimmed milk and low-fat yoghurt
Tofu
Eggs
Beans
Nuts and seeds (pumpkin, squash, and watermelon Seeds, peanuts, almonds)

macro nutrients in different foods

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your cheap and healthy shopping list

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recipes remember not all of these are good for cutting! Bulking also needs good recipes! DO NOT EAT WITHOUT COUNTING MACRONUTRIENTS

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shit cooks need to know:

beef chart:
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spices and tastes:
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LINKS and GOOD SOURCES:

IfItFitsYourMacros: http://iifym.com/ (http://iifym.com/) (but the links in the second video will do perfectly fine as well)

MyFitnessPal: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ (http://www.myfitnesspal.com/)

/fit/  (NSFW!!!): http://boards.4chan.org/fit/ (http://boards.4chan.org/fit/)

scoobysworkshop: http://scoobysworkshop.com/ (http://scoobysworkshop.com/) and his youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/scooby1961 (http://www.youtube.com/user/scooby1961)

calisthenics pdf files: 'Never gymless'     /     'You are your own gym'     /     'Overcoming gravity'     /      'The underground guide to warrior fitness'
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 04, 2013, 12:17:59 am
edit 04/08/2013: added 'post workout meal' under 'food tips'
edit 05/08/2013: added 'macro nutrients in different foods', 'your cheap and healthy shopping list', 'recipes' and 'shit cooks need to know' under 'food tips'
edit 09/08/2013: added  'Small diet changes do a lot!' under 'changing your eating/lifestyle habits'
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Christo on August 04, 2013, 12:26:58 am
A good exercise advice is to really avoid marketed stuff like the insanity workout, and just do whatever YOU want to do.

A friend of mine went through it, I saw him being totally unhappy and in a shit state all the time.

Persuaded me to do a day of it with him, It's totally not my thing. Others might enjoy it, I don't know.

Thread reminds me to start moving again, I didn't do much for many months now.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on August 04, 2013, 12:30:26 am
My tactic is that whenever I'm thinking "I should probably work out, but meh, I dun wanna" I stop being a lazy fuck and go out for a run or to the gym. Then go back to whatever I wasn't doing.

Doesn't even have to be a long run. As long as you're doing it, you're already winning.

Also, today I ate chinese take-out. Tomorrow gonna eat some texmex. Undecided on what exactly, but I have some minced meat that needs cooking.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Christo on August 04, 2013, 12:32:18 am
Telling somebody you will do it also works, if you are not a lying twat without any decency  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 04, 2013, 12:35:14 am
Telling somebody you will do it also works, if you are not a lying twat without any decency  :mrgreen:
that never worked for me :)
I do it in silence, and enjoy the great results.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on August 04, 2013, 12:41:47 am
I go to the gym with a friend about half the time. I also go to the gym whenever I've gone a week without sauna.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 04, 2013, 12:43:28 am
I go to the gym with a friend about half the time. I also go to the gym whenever I've gone a week without sauna.
b-but going to the sauna doesn't burn fat :S
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: zagibu on August 04, 2013, 12:44:03 am
A good way to get motivation for long runs is to buy a sharp dog and kick it in the head.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on August 04, 2013, 12:56:43 am
b-but going to the sauna doesn't burn fat :S

No, but all the shit you do at the gym does. The sauna afterwards is just the motivator and it feels amazing.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: zagibu on August 04, 2013, 12:58:17 am
Bah you just like to watch the shriveled dicks of old men, admit it!
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 04, 2013, 01:25:15 am
No, but all the shit you do at the gym does. The sauna afterwards is just the motivator and it feels amazing.

Sauna is awesome, but only after you've put in a workout to make it so.

Bah you just like to watch the shriveled dicks of old men, admit it!

I don't know where you like to go, but the sauna I use is co-ed. If you like going to sauna's that only have old men in them, well.......okay then......
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Kalam on August 04, 2013, 02:56:12 am
Good stuff. I should add that if the goal is for practical application rather than just general health and appearance, cardio is still key. However, most people don't need to be able to run forever, so I can only approve of this thread.

There's a lot of resources out there for nutrition, but here's one for anyone who happens to prefer less meat in her life.

http://www.nomeatathlete.com/running-fuel/ (http://www.nomeatathlete.com)

The energy bar recipes, smoothie formulas, and stuff are great. Getting into the habit of consuming a high-protein smoothie immediately after a work out made a big difference for me, personally, in terms of how often I can train without over-training.

I'd also like to reiterate that snacking is key. Just snack on good stuff, as opposed to sun chips or a hotdog.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Christo on August 04, 2013, 03:35:43 am
I'd also like to reiterate that snacking is key. Just snack on good stuff, as opposed to sun chips or a hotdog.

Example?

I'm looking for some good stuff to snack on.

Fruits every now and then, I like to get corn for the same purpose, not sure how healthy that is, but it must not be as bad as a chips or something.

Although sometimes I, especially with friends turn to trash food, sigh. Not all day everyday though
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 04, 2013, 03:59:50 am
Let's just say it's me.
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Eww.... you got so little hair...
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 04, 2013, 10:07:33 am
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Strong waxing.


Also OT: Cottage Cheese, Greek Yogurt (Panos alert) and some vegetables.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Christo on August 04, 2013, 10:11:09 am
Greek Yoghurt (Panos alert)

lmao
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 04, 2013, 11:28:44 am
sorry, I'm an immature bundle of sticks. I dont wax :(
a little hair, but not much yet
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: zagibu on August 04, 2013, 11:39:22 am
If you can get low-fat chips that aren't heavily salted, they shouldn't be too bad as snacks.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 04, 2013, 11:46:04 am
If you can get low-fat chips that aren't heavily salted, they shouldn't be too bad as snacks.
they probably still contain a shitload of carbs
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Vibe on August 04, 2013, 12:18:50 pm
I heard some companies use aborted baby fetuses in their food and it's very nutritious
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 04, 2013, 01:47:00 pm
they probably still contain a shitload of carbs

Not necessarily a bad thing. It all depends on what your goals are. And as long as you don't overeat. And carbs isn't the body's number one enemy. Though if you want to lose weight, eating snacks on a regular basis isn't something i'd recommend (duh).

Also just finished an epic juicy steak.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 04, 2013, 04:22:58 pm
Not necessarily a bad thing. It all depends on what your goals are. And as long as you don't overeat. And carbs isn't the body's number one enemy. Though if you want to lose weight, eating snacks on a regular basis isn't something i'd recommend (duh).

Also just finished an epic juicy steak.
with my current my 2300 calories cut I seriously can't afford eating those carbs

I feel like you are a /fit/izen too, dont know what makes me think that  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 04, 2013, 05:18:06 pm
with my current my 2300 calories cut I seriously can't afford eating those carbs

I feel like you are a /fit/izen too, dont know what makes me think that  :rolleyes:

Shame carbs is in like every good food too. Including fruits as well. As long as you keep it low (doesn't mean you have to avoid it completely it'll be fine).

And /fit/izen? Errr...i'm gonna take a guess and guess you're talking about Reddit/4Chan? Nope don't really hang out at those sites to be honest. Don't really hang out at any fitness/workout site except BB forum occasionally :P
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Kalam on August 04, 2013, 06:30:47 pm
Example?

I'm looking for some good stuff to snack on.

Fruits every now and then, I like to get corn for the same purpose, not sure how healthy that is, but it must not be as bad as a chips or something.

Although sometimes I, especially with friends turn to trash food, sigh. Not all day everyday though

Kale chips (http://smittenkitchen.com/blog/2010/03/baked-kale-chips/) are great. If you happen to have a dehydrator, they're even better. You can flavor them however you want to, either with a marinade or dusting them with spices/fruit skin zest/etc. Same goes for apple chips (http://www.pepperbowl.com/2013/02/crispy-apple-chips-with-cinnamon-twist.html).

Celery, roasted chickpeas, and fruit like strawberries, blueberries, and apples all serve to feed you well in between meals. And dates (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTTWoc-dv6aV0xlgPELBdU7K3nB8xBjr0SizhyES3Fwi6qGCi4KVg), too, let's not forget dates.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Son Of Odin on August 04, 2013, 11:49:08 pm
Good thread. I don't really like counting calories all the time but I guess it would become automatic routine if I did it for couple of weeks... Just been cutting down carbs for now... As you've probably seen in Torben's thread, I mostly do only cardio training. Now after I've been doing some epic lumberjack work I have started to think gym could be even better way to work out (my log splitting career ends in couple of days :D)
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 05, 2013, 12:52:03 am
Good thread. I don't really like counting calories all the time but I guess it would become automatic routine if I did it for couple of weeks... Just been cutting down carbs for now... As you've probably seen in Torben's thread, I mostly do only cardio training. Now after I've been doing some epic lumberjack work I have started to think gym could be even better way to work out (my log splitting career ends in couple of days :D)
Use myfitnesspal.com and write down what you eat (you can even use the app on your smartphone. It has a barcode scanner and almost every food is in the database, even white label foods of Belgian companies)

You don't have to start your day with counting out what you will eat that still fits your macro's, just start tracking what you eat and you will probably notice you are eating too much carbs and too little protein. Find alternatives and eat some more foods with better protein count, track it again every day. After a while you just know what you should eat to follow your macro's and it will go all by itself.
You only need a food scale and myfitnesspal.com, you just put it next to you while you are cooking and weigh the stuff before you eat it/prepare it.

It takes very little time and doing this, I actually brought some order in my life which actually created even more time. Time you can spend on health, your job or whatever you like. It's not like you can't eat stuff at BBQ's and parties anymore, you dont have to track your stuff every day and it doesnt have to be 100% exact. It's an estimation that will help you to follow a guide line. You will learn the nutritional values of your foods better and healthy cooking will just become second nature.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on August 05, 2013, 08:39:49 am
I already knew all this. I'm great. I'm 175cm and weigh 135kg. Still I know how it should be.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Christo on August 05, 2013, 08:44:48 am
I already knew all this. I'm great. I'm 175cm and weigh 135kg. Still I know how it should be.  :mrgreen:

TAAAAAAAANK!  :mrgreen:

I'm about the same height and it's around 80-85 kg, fluctuating depending how much I move.

Not much lately, that's why it's going up, e_e
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on August 05, 2013, 08:51:28 am
TAAAAAAAANK!  :mrgreen:

I'm about the same height and it's around 80-85 kg, fluctuating depending how much I move.

Not much lately, that's why it's going up, e_e

 :D naw joking man. I couldnt stand having a belly. I once was close to 90kg for a short time, dunno how that happened. Since that time I watch my weight all the time. I'm pending between 78 and 80kg. My gf wouldnt let me get fat anyway, we have an agreement to keep our weight because none of us wants a fatbellied partner.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Christo on August 05, 2013, 08:54:32 am
Boom, there goes my confidence.

Haha
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Lars on August 05, 2013, 09:25:23 am
TAAAAAAAANK!  :mrgreen:

I'm about the same height and it's around 80-85 kg, fluctuating depending how much I move.

Not much lately, that's why it's going up, e_e
I already knew all this. I'm great. I'm 175cm and weigh 135kg. Still I know how it should be.  :mrgreen:


Midgets! Maybe we can hire some midgets to work in our mines in the mountains, even if most mines are now closed or become museums . 
I think there must still be something that it's worth a lot of € in the heart of the mountains.

Btw we need fit midgets, because midgets that are wider than long are not suited for this kind of job.

Are you ready to become legendary dwarves?
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Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on August 05, 2013, 09:42:00 am

Midgets! Maybe we can hire some midgets to work in our mines in the mountains, even if most mines are now closed or become museums . 
I think there must still be something that it's worth a lot of € in the heart of the mountains.

Btw we need fit midgets, because midgets that are wider than long are not suited for this kind of job.

Are you ready to become legendary dwarves?
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To be honest, I never had problems with my height. 1,75 is perfect because you fit into standard stuff, I never have to search for anything for a long time. Combined with average weight and average foot size, I save so much time during shopping, love it.
Average people ftw.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Christo on August 05, 2013, 09:58:11 am
Midget?

Well, I can't see what's so fun about hitting every tree branch and doorway with your head.

I know you are joking, but dwarf is 140 at max, I think.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 05, 2013, 10:07:48 am
OffTopic but between 187-190cm is the PERFECT length you could have.


Also PROTEIN SHAKE TIME!
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on August 05, 2013, 10:14:10 am
OffTopic but between 187-190cm is the PERFECT length you could have.


Also PROTEIN SHAKE TIME!

I wouldnt wanna be taller than 185 I think. Why should that be the perfect size? Cuz you are between 187 and 190?
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 05, 2013, 10:47:36 am
Im 180 and weigh 73-74 atm, at 190 it would become pretty hard to build muscle.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 05, 2013, 11:32:18 am
I wouldnt wanna be taller than 185 I think. Why should that be the perfect size? Cuz you are between 187 and 190?

Nope i'm 181. But 187 would be perfect. You're not too tall. But you're not short either. Tho this got nothing to do with nutrition lol
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 05, 2013, 06:05:21 pm
Nope i'm 181. But 187 would be perfect. You're not too tall. But you're not short either. Tho this got nothing to do with nutrition lol

188 and 100 kg. I'd prefer to be closer to 95kg, but anything under 93 and I start feeling puny. At 100kg I'm fine though. I eat what I like, vegetarian about 2 days of the week, and manly man food on 1 or 2 others with the rest in between. Plus, when the zombie apocalypse hits, I've got a few days of calories stored up already  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Utrakil on August 05, 2013, 06:16:31 pm
I recently started a whiskey diet. It' very simple. you drink as much whiskey as you like. And the results come fast:
I already lost a couple of days.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on August 05, 2013, 07:32:19 pm
I recently started a whiskey diet. It' very simple. you drink as much whiskey as you like. And the results come fast:
I already lost a couple of days.

In the name of everything thats holy and precious to me, this, exactly this is whats missing! I havent had any whiskey in weeks! I knew I was missing something... Thanks a lot for that reminder
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Utrakil on August 05, 2013, 07:54:07 pm
In the name of everything thats holy and precious to me, this, exactly this is whats missing! I havent had any whiskey in weeks! I knew I was missing something... Thanks a lot for that reminder

So cheers then !!
I raise a glass of famous grouse.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Lars on August 06, 2013, 11:30:49 am
Im 180 and weigh 73-74 atm, at 190 it would become pretty hard to build muscle.


That's actually not true, shorter people do not gain muscles easier than taller guys.
It's mostly that if you have  shorter limbs it's easier to look more "thick" and compact.

Let's say there are 2 skinny guys with a similar body structure,  but one is 170 cm tall and the other is 190cm.  Let's asume that after x time  they both gain 10 kilos of muscles, who do you think would look "bigger" ? obviously the 170cm tall guy would look more "buffed up", because he has "less space" to distribute the mass he gained, his muscles  would  be thicker and wider, he would look more "compact" if you want , but that doesn't mean he has more muscles than the taller guy, because they both gained the same amount of muscle mass.

That's why pro body builders are generally short, it's hard to find Mr.Olympia level body builders taller than 180cm. Shorter guys can look more thick with less mass.

"The reason bodybuilders are short, is, as others have said, because it's easier to fill out a smaller frame. Why? Because your limb length is shorter, and you're building muscle at the same rate. Therefore althought it is technically the same amount of muscle, the illusion of the smaller frame makes it appear larger. "


i woulnd't call it "illusion" tho, because they are actually wider-thicker.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Elmuri on August 06, 2013, 01:30:45 pm
Good thread. I've been eating lots of cottage cheese (or quark?) with berries, different kind of seeds, oat and rye bran. Also have tried to eat more vegetables, fruits etc. Feels better than eating lots of wheat bread  :P And ofc trying to eat healthy "proper" meals.

Currently about 185/70, few more kilos of muscle wouldn't do any harm.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Christo on August 07, 2013, 08:00:07 am
[Same goes for apple chips (http://www.pepperbowl.com/2013/02/crispy-apple-chips-with-cinnamon-twist.html).

Wow, I must try out this one.

If it works out well, I think I found the ultimate alternative to junk food. I only need something to snack and snack on anyway, I don't really mind if it's an apple one lol.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on August 07, 2013, 08:39:11 am
Wow, I must try out this one.

If it works out well, I think I found the ultimate alternative to junk food. I only need something to snack and snack on anyway, I don't really mind if it's an apple one lol.

I love eating and I also like to eat a lot of snacks betweeen meals, thats the main reason why I'm going to the gym. I dont wanna get fat and I dont wanna stop eating, its a good tradeoff. I also tried some of these healthy snacks for some time but meh... nothing like popcorn, crisps and similar stuff. I also like carrots and stuff but its just not the same. If you're used to driving a muscle car and then switch to a weak one you are still driving a car but its just not the same.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Strudog on August 07, 2013, 09:35:34 am
Been hitting the Gym for a week and a bit now and also on a low carb diet, i can already see the difference im currently 185cm at 90kg. Sticking to a routine is important for me, makes missing those bad habits even easier
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 07, 2013, 12:00:09 pm
The only thing that sucks is the beginning. After you get into a routine it goes smoothly from there.


First thing i hated in the beginning was counting protein, carbs, fats, calories etc...
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: v/onMega on August 07, 2013, 04:44:14 pm
@ NoRules : 2300 k/cal at this height and this weight....how often do you work out?

1 once week? (If this is you it doesnt look like it)

Even for that this sounds like faiiiirly low intake. I am supposed to get nearly 3000......

Also I am not a friend of low carb diets (under most circumstances)

Body types and current weight dont matter for the possible outcome. True.
But they freaking matter for your training....and eating. A LOT.

Other then that...good threat. These food and shopping basics are somewhat pretty ok...:-)

But most importantly...stay freaking clean.
Berenger having a dead person as an avatar makes me laugh...this idiot being praised as a hero on the net.

Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 07, 2013, 04:54:39 pm
I am on a cut, I even had to drop my cal intake to 2000 because I was gaining weight. I work out daily (about 1 hour) with 5 times strength and 2 times a cardio training.
It doesn't seem like I am particularly hungry or tired with this diet and I have a steady and healthy weight loss rate.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Strudog on August 07, 2013, 05:22:17 pm
I am on a cut, I even had to drop my cal intake to 2000 because I was gaining weight. I work out daily (about 1 hour) with 5 times strength and 2 times a cardio training.
It doesn't seem like I am particularly hungry or tired with this diet and I have a steady and healthy weight loss rate.

Basically what i am doing, i also do not feel tired or Hungry, its about getting use to it, and i guess people can work off different amounts of energy, i have a desk job so i think that amount of calories would be good for me as i don't use it until the end of the day and then when i ahve done my workout i go home have dinner, play a bit of c-rpg and then go to bed.

There is nothing wrong with low calorie intake.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 07, 2013, 07:40:32 pm
But most importantly...stay freaking clean.
Berenger having a dead person as an avatar makes me laugh...this idiot being praised as a hero on the net.

He was a hero! And now he's god's personal trainer. True story. Forever in our hearts. If i could've just found a better pic of him flexing i'd get it.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: v/onMega on August 07, 2013, 10:19:22 pm
He was a hero! And now he's god's personal trainer. True story. Forever in our hearts. If i could've just found a better pic of him flexing i'd get it.


No need Berenger. I know exactly who he is. Zyzz.
He is your typical steroid/ testosterone pumping idiot. He died. Partly an ill heart...and most parts due to massive abuse.
Trying to live healthy while pumping synthetic bullshit.

What a paradox. Atleast he was open about the fact he cheated.

No respect for this.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 07, 2013, 11:50:31 pm
and he was an asshole
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 08, 2013, 12:30:46 am
I love eating and I also like to eat a lot of snacks betweeen meals, thats the main reason why I'm going to the gym. I dont wanna get fat and I dont wanna stop eating, its a good tradeoff. I also tried some of these healthy snacks for some time but meh... nothing like popcorn, crisps and similar stuff. I also like carrots and stuff but its just not the same. If you're used to driving a muscle car and then switch to a weak one you are still driving a car but its just not the same.

Learn to love peppers. I keep some whole cayenne and habanero in a jar of white vinegar. Jalapeno's are good for some people, but I'm not as crazy about the taste of those. Banana peppers are a good choice too. They satisfy and will certainly live up to your muscle car expectations. Eat them by themselves or make some good strong salsa. That way you only eat a few chips like you should and not the whole bag like you can with some girly man salsa's. Personally I don't need the chips, I like the salsa by itself. When we sit down at a mexican restaurant and they bring chips and salsa over before the waitress shows up with drinks, I will drink the salsa when I'm thirsty until she brings the tea.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 08, 2013, 12:31:43 am
U guys are JUST JELLY AND MIRIN!!!

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Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 08, 2013, 11:22:25 am
dem dere natty gains

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Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 09, 2013, 01:39:55 pm
going to a party this evening, not eating too much carbs today so I don't go over my goals too much. It is actually extremely easy.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on August 09, 2013, 01:51:13 pm
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That guy was shooting steroids, and died of OD on some thai whore. Not really a role model for a "nutrition thread" imo...

Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 09, 2013, 03:18:43 pm
hard to spot sarcasm, right?


going to try intermittent fasting for a while

http://www.youtube.com/user/fastingtwins?feature=watch
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 09, 2013, 04:57:18 pm
hard to spot sarcasm, right?


going to try intermittent fasting for a while

http://www.youtube.com/user/fastingtwins?feature=watch

I've fasted and it works if you've got too much pooch to your paunch. It is especially effective if you are having trouble breaking off from bad eating habits. Once you've gone a week on just juice and the occasional glass of skim milk, you won't want to eat some of the really bad things you are addicted to consuming. It is far easier to begin a new diet regime at that point because you will be happy with ANY food. Just don't start cheating or you will end up back where you were and have to fast again, which isn't entirely pleasant.
Those twins are crazy and pretty funny  :lol:
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 09, 2013, 05:58:40 pm
I've fasted and it works if you've got too much pooch to your paunch. It is especially effective if you are having trouble breaking off from bad eating habits. Once you've gone a week on just juice and the occasional glass of skim milk, you won't want to eat some of the really bad things you are addicted to consuming. It is far easier to begin a new diet regime at that point because you will be happy with ANY food. Just don't start cheating or you will end up back where you were and have to fast again, which isn't entirely pleasant.
Those twins are crazy and pretty funny  :lol:
You only drank milk and juice? That seems like the worst thing you can do D:

fasting doesn't mean you don't eat, it just means  you eat in a smaller time span, but you still eat your same calories and macronutrients!
Especially drinking your calories is a bad idea because it doesn't fill you and they are full of sugars.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 09, 2013, 09:27:40 pm
You only drank milk and juice? That seems like the worst thing you can do D:

fasting doesn't mean you don't eat, it just means  you eat in a smaller time span, but you still eat your same calories and macronutrients!
Especially drinking your calories is a bad idea because it doesn't fill you and they are full of sugars.

Fasting DOES mean you don't eat  :rolleyes: Seriously, words mean things. All you (and those twins) are talking about doing is eating in one time window and misnaming it "intermittent fasting". It isn't fasting. Its a dietary regimen. Otherwise, I fast 3 times a day! From 8am till 1pm, from 2pm till 7pm, from 8pm till 7am! Woo! Fasting rocks!

You drink mostly water and take a multi-vitamin, but if your hunger pains gets really bad you can have a glass of juice or skim milk. You don't drink gallons of the stuff, geezus. A glass a day if you need it. I've lost as much as 8% of my body weight in 1 week doing it. It isn't easy, but it does work if you are a fat boy and have the fat to lose. If you are already a skinny fuck, no, you wouldn't do it because your body would being feeding off of muscle and not fat.

Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 10, 2013, 01:30:50 pm
yeah, but fasting is pretty unhealthy.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 10, 2013, 06:15:29 pm
yeah, but fasting is pretty unhealthy.

So is being a lard ass!  :P
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 11, 2013, 11:57:47 am
there are better diet techniques/diets to lose weight than not eating! They will also turn out healthier, easier and with results that don't disappear the second you stop your diet.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 11, 2013, 05:59:33 pm
there are better diet techniques/diets to lose weight than not eating! They will also turn out healthier, easier and with results that don't disappear the second you stop your diet.

Fat, salt, and sugar are addictions just like drugs. To break the cycle, just like drugs, the most effective method is quitting cold turkey. You want to make a change? Struggling with breaking the old bad habits? Go cold turkey and fast for a week. It is a practice that has been done for eons and is a crucial element to detoxification. Once you have cleaned your system, if you go back to old bad habits, yes, you have wasted your time. But most of the junk food that you were eating will taste bad and make you feel bad in a way that you did not detect previously because you were also getting the endorphine rewards for the behavior and were used to feeling bad as a result of your diet. It is the perfect way to switch to a healthy diet as an apple will taste good, brown rice will taste good, and so will just about any healthy food as your body will be craving those good nutrients. This method works, unlike the vast majority of diets on the market because it breaks the cycle, allowing you to make a change without the cravings and temptations that other diets perpetuate because they never break the cycle or drag it out over months and depend upon willpower alone for those months while taking nearly as long to show significant results.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Wolfsblood on August 11, 2013, 08:44:44 pm
Rumblood is actually for the most part correct.

I have personal experience in this as a wrestler where I would have to fast for 2-3 days in order to make weight for a meet or tournament that upcoming weekend

Rumblood is correct that for a time, I loved healthy foods and fatty, sugary foods made me feel bloated and sick. I have never been able to quit bad foods like I have been able to when fasting. unfortunately I slipped into bad habits and now I'm a fatass again but oh well. 

However, I wouldn't say that fasting is the healthiest way to go about things due to little things like muscle deterioration and stomach problems for certain people. Also that could lead down to the road of anorexia/bulimia which I have seen occur to other wrestlers/ex-wrestlers.

 
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Bjord on August 11, 2013, 09:04:38 pm
Haven't worked out for years, I don't know how I am still fluctuating between 80-84kg with my appetite.
I'm 187 cm or so. Used to be really active though. Plus I'm a smoker.

Anyway, good thread, may use this as reference if I ever get my shit together.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: no_rules_just_play on August 11, 2013, 09:22:17 pm
Haven't worked out for years, I don't know how I am still fluctuating between 80-84kg with my appetite.
I'm 187 cm or so. Used to be really active though. Plus I'm a smoker.

Anyway, good thread, may use this as reference if I ever get my shit together.
start now with myfitnesspal, just write down whatever you eat, it takes a minute on your pc and even less if you have a smartphone (you can just scan the bar code and you can be almost certain the food is in the database). You'll probably notice your diet is not optimal and that you can easily change it a bit by making other foods choices.

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I can't tell because I would never try it, changing to better foods was a pretty small step, but I can certainly tell that you are living very unhealthy for that week. And that does matter! Getting a habit of drinking juice when you are hungry certainly is something nobody wants.

I can most certainly tell that most people (unless the ones with extreme willpower) will just start craving after their week of fasting. They have felt hungry all the time while they have been injecting their body with simple sugars. Their metabolism is out of balance and your body will probably have gone in starvation mode which makes it store as much fat as possible.
You are living all the time on a lower calorie intake than you burn each day and your body will burn as much fat as muscle. If it's correct what you say you will stay away from fast foods, but you will have brought your body in a state that is absolutely not optimal for losing weight.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 12, 2013, 01:03:22 am
I can most certainly tell that most people (unless the ones with extreme willpower) will just start craving after their week of fasting. They have felt hungry all the time while they have been injecting their body with simple sugars.

You haven't done it, so you don't know what you are saying. The only craving you might have is one for fruit which is a critical part of any healthy diet. And you aren't "injecting your body with simple sugars". Are you telling me that you don't drink juice as part of your diet? I'm not talking about "juice cocktails", I'm talking about 100% real actual fruit juice, and like I already said, you aren't drinking gallons of it, you can have a glass if you really cant take just water and nothing else. 20g in a typical glass of orange juice is 1/6 of the recommended daily carbohydrate intake and when you aren't eating, every bit of that is burned, not converted to fat. Your body does not convert carbohydrates to fat when it is already breaking down fat for fuel!
But if you are so concerned that you will become a mainlining sugar addict, then don't drink the juice, drink the skim milk or man up and stick with just water like I do.
When you break your fast, you don't consume a 2000 calorie cheesburger and fries with an ice cream milkshake. That destroys the whole purpose of doing it in the first place (and it would very very likely make you puke anyhow). You start with the basics and slowly add the healthy ingredients to your diet, and juice is part of a healthy diet and a far better habit than reaching for a candy bar or soda.

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If it's correct what you say you will stay away from fast foods, but you will have brought your body in a state that is absolutely not optimal for losing weight.

There is only one way to lose weight. Calories burned > calories consumed. That's it. Everything else is mumbo jumbo or about a healthy diet, which is WAY important, but unrelated to actually losing weight.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Kafein on August 12, 2013, 01:05:21 am
My solution is rather simple :

I'm young, I can eat anything and my belly stays the same
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 12, 2013, 01:08:56 am
Rumblood is actually for the most part correct.

I have personal experience in this as a wrestler where I would have to fast for 2-3 days in order to make weight for a meet or tournament that upcoming weekend

Rumblood is correct that for a time, I loved healthy foods and fatty, sugary foods made me feel bloated and sick. I have never been able to quit bad foods like I have been able to when fasting. unfortunately I slipped into bad habits and now I'm a fatass again but oh well. 

However, I wouldn't say that fasting is the healthiest way to go about things due to little things like muscle deterioration and stomach problems for certain people. Also that could lead down to the road of anorexia/bulimia which I have seen occur to other wrestlers/ex-wrestlers.

 

Wrestler eh? You amateur or professional wrestler?
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Wolfsblood on August 12, 2013, 01:06:37 pm
Wrestler eh? You amateur or professional wrestler?

I hope u aren't talking about that wwf shit
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on August 12, 2013, 01:09:11 pm
This thread  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 12, 2013, 02:01:54 pm
I hope u aren't talking about that wwf shit

Amateur it is.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 12, 2013, 06:03:13 pm
Amateur it is.

More like "paid" or "unpaid". I wouldn't call most of those WWE "wrestlers" a wrestler at all (a few like Brock Lesnar being an exception, of course he was an actual NCAA champion). In an actual wrestling match I would put money on the top "amateur" over the top "WWE Superstar professional" any day. Case in point, Brock Lesnar has the talent to be the UFC Heavyweight champion, but after his bout with diverticulitis, he couldn't hang with a real sport, yet easily went back to play in the WWE.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 13, 2013, 10:34:48 am
More like "paid" or "unpaid". I wouldn't call most of those WWE "wrestlers" a wrestler at all (a few like Brock Lesnar being an exception, of course he was an actual NCAA champion). In an actual wrestling match I would put money on the top "amateur" over the top "WWE Superstar professional" any day. Case in point, Brock Lesnar has the talent to be the UFC Heavyweight champion, but after his bout with diverticulitis, he couldn't hang with a real sport, yet easily went back to play in the WWE.

Yeah this guy who's a Pro Wrestler isn't actually a wrestler ya know. He's called Kurt Angle. He never won a GOLD medal at the 1996 Olympics did he? Lol
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Wolfsblood on August 13, 2013, 02:58:51 pm
Yea, just to point out he did say most.  :rolleyes:

Kurt angle is another exception. Otherwise I would say that most WWE "wrestlers" are athletes at best becuase I can never deny that the stunts they do require you to be in very good shape. But I would not call them real wrestlers
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on August 13, 2013, 05:17:46 pm
Yeah this guy who's a Pro Wrestler isn't actually a wrestler ya know. He's called Kurt Angle. He never won a GOLD medal at the 1996 Olympics did he? Lol
(a few like Brock Lesnar being an exception, of course he was an actual NCAA champion)

Steroids ruin your reading comprehension.  :P
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 13, 2013, 08:29:30 pm
A lot of old ones actually got an amateur background. Now most new ones do not come with an amateur background but the older ones do.

I could just give you a list of 100 or more with an amateur background.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Wolfsblood on August 14, 2013, 12:01:20 am
do it then

However, regardless of their background what they do/did in the wwf/wwe/whatever is not wrestling. its stunt acting. all choreographed. That's what makes "professional wrestling" different from the Olympic sport you call "amateur".
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Kalam on August 21, 2013, 03:56:50 am
Thought I'd drop by with this fruit roll-up (http://ohmyveggies.com/recipe-sneaky-green-apple-fruit-leather/) recipe I stumbled across. I refuse to call it fruit leather, even though it looks like vellum. Fruit scroll?

Whatever, it's a great recipe and is all good for you. Another guilt-free snack.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on August 31, 2013, 06:48:09 pm
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Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Kalam on September 02, 2013, 05:02:16 am
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This is a brownie. It is tasty.

It's got 140 calories. 6g of fats. 5g of protein. 163mg of fiber.

It's made from black beans. Don't say yuck. Just try it. (http://minimalistbaker.com/vegan-gluten-free-black-bean-brownies/)
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on September 03, 2013, 06:38:35 am
Wheat is poison.
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: Rumblood on September 03, 2013, 08:02:27 am
Wheat is poison.

Poison to monkeys who cultivate it. It turns them into dirty humans  :P
Title: Re: NUTRITION THREAD
Post by: LordBerenger on September 03, 2013, 08:12:26 pm
Love eating my tasteless piece of shit oatmeal.