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Title: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Panos_ on August 02, 2013, 10:52:01 pm
I know that no one is forcing me to buy his stuff, but god it grinds my gears when I see things like that, this community has turned into a gold+looms eating machine, everyone is trying to jew everyone, just  to gain some gold.

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I mean, look at this guy, he`s asking 1.55 for his armours, while at the same time, someone can buy 3 loom points for 1.20~

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If people could actually make logical offers/requests, that would be cooler, I hate it when I have an armour that I know that another guy want`s and vice versa , but he won`t do a trade until I give him so gold, but dude, I have the armour you want to use, and you have the armour I want to use, why do you have to be such a gold digger??

I think that the devs should add a bot at the marketplace, that it would detect retarded requests, and then bitchslap the requester.

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Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Prpavi on August 02, 2013, 11:01:59 pm
What do you propose be done?

You can't really tell people how much they will charge for their armors and if they are just jerks you also can't penalise them for that.

I suggest you rather make a asshole traders topic and post names and their shameful offers, but doubt anybody will care tbh but might make you feel better  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Panos_ on August 02, 2013, 11:04:04 pm
What do you propose be done?

You can't really tell people how much they will charge for their armors and if they are just jerks you also can't penalise them for that.

I suggest you rather make a asshole traders topic and post names and their shameful offers, but doubt anybody will care tbh but might make you feel better  :mrgreen:

All I`m asking for is common sense, nothing more.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Prpavi on August 02, 2013, 11:05:57 pm
All I`m asking for is common sense, nothing more.

I'm afraid you ask too much
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Jack1 on August 02, 2013, 11:20:46 pm
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I think that the devs should add a bot at the marketplace, that it would detect retarded requests, and then bitchslap the requester.

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Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Erzengel on August 02, 2013, 11:57:58 pm
There are indeed way too many idiots using the marketplace.

Nothing wrong with trying to make a good deal. But if you are already looking for an item with a much higher value than yours, you really shouldn't ask for 100.000 or more gold on top of that... That's just retarded. Unfortunately most offers are like this.

And no, your crappy Masterwork Rus Bow isn't worth 2 heirloom points and 400.000 gold. You should be glad if somebody gives you two heirloom points without any gold on top... -.- People are too greedy.

We should introduce a pillory for that scum.  :wink:
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Gurnisson on August 03, 2013, 12:04:15 am
Market went to hell when I let it be. It's a sign!
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Dooz on August 03, 2013, 12:15:07 am
welcome to capitalism
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Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Dooz on August 03, 2013, 12:17:43 am
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capitalism broke malaclypse
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Eugen on August 03, 2013, 12:21:52 am
Since I am an ego player I loom everything myself and dont understand market at all. Why is it there? Who uses it?
Ah I sold once one masterwork weapon. Since them I am out of trouble with upkeep. FIDLGB.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Malaclypse on August 03, 2013, 12:22:33 am
Actually I don't have anything on the market, I keep it all in the CHAOS armory since I don't really play anymore. I just wanted to be contrary haha
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Mlekce on August 03, 2013, 12:31:51 am
i realy hate when someone offers something like this

courser + 50k for heavy lance and 1 lp. I sometimes almost accept those offers cuz i use low resolution i don't always see that they want 1 lp on top.
It isn't the time i made mistake in accepting offers that are bad i once thought i sell elite scimitar,but i sold my elite cav shield and once i payed 50k instead of guy paying me 50k.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: MURDERTRON on August 03, 2013, 12:43:13 am
Who cares?  Anyone who is dumb enough to take the deal deserves their losses.  Also, he is losing 100 gold every time he posts that offer.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Falka on August 03, 2013, 12:56:18 am
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Stop trying to abuse the market

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Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Leesin on August 03, 2013, 01:29:41 am
I saw someone trying to trade their +1 with 50k gold for a +3 item, it baffles me that anyone even thinks they stand a chance at someone accepting a trade like that unless it's accidental, or someone just as stupid thinks it's a good trade lol.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Scervo on August 03, 2013, 01:50:58 am
lol i saw a regular katana on the auction house with the description claiming that it was a flaming katana. da scams
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on August 03, 2013, 01:55:27 am
I saw someone trying to trade their +1 with 50k gold for a +3 item, it baffles me that anyone even thinks they stand a chance at someone accepting a trade like that unless it's accidental, or someone just as stupid thinks it's a good trade lol.
They might've made a typo and meant for it to be 500k, or something
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Malaclypse on August 03, 2013, 01:56:53 am
Also, he is losing 100 gold every time he posts that offer.

Like I always say, you can get a whole lotta tootsie rolls for a dollar.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Leesin on August 03, 2013, 03:33:18 am
They might've made a typo and meant for it to be 500k, or something

Might've, but it might've not been, considering I've seen countless other ridiculous trade offers people put up it wouldn't surprise me if it was a legit offer.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Winterly on August 03, 2013, 03:37:31 am
Capitalism. GF. Death of humanity.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Lord_Bernie_of_Voodoo on August 03, 2013, 03:53:10 am
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: dreadnok on August 03, 2013, 06:36:25 am
It really is fucking nauseating. I had a helmet up for 2 lap and 80k. This guy contacts me begging to lower it 60k because that's all he has, so I do it and 15 minutes later the same helm is up for 2lp and 350k! Fucking asshole
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Strudog on August 03, 2013, 06:57:40 am
Thats why i trade within the clan, much easier and you wont get jewed
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: ArysOakheart on August 03, 2013, 07:18:02 am
Go check out some of the offers for +3 peasant gear. It seems people believe +3 items are worth 550k. I raged many a time at these offers (one guy even tried to get me banned for calling him names because of his offers). Now I know to just let the neckbeards try to cheat the new players, and hope it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Tibe on August 03, 2013, 07:27:29 am
I gave up on the market long time ago. Now I loom everything personally. Generally all the trades ive usually wanted to make go by my +3 for your +3. With no catches whatsoever. Unless their values were completely different. Its just hard to find good offers through all the sea of bullshitoffers.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Grumbs on August 03, 2013, 09:43:47 am
Even if you don't want to sell something you might as well put an offer up for 100 gold at a ludicrous price. Someone might be desperate for it and buy. 1.55 is probably beyond what someone will pay atm though, think 1.3mil is about what it costs to loom something yourself including sales tax but loom prices fluctuate and there are wealthy people out there that might just buy it.

What if you couldn't use the item while you had it on a sell order? If it disappeared from your inventory people would want to get fast trades and be more reasonable, or they would put stuff up that they don't really want so again put up more reasonable prices. You don't really lose anything but 100 gold for putting up an offer, maybe you could even lose the sales tax up front or something. Or just increase the 100 gold cost
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Patoson on August 03, 2013, 10:03:52 am
Like others have said, capitalism! When people's main goal is money, society goes to shit.

The fact that the world is ruled by heartless monsters does not mean we should all be the same. It's hard to find decency anywhere these days or a fair trade in cRPG market.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Johammeth on August 03, 2013, 10:06:53 am
hay guys special time offer u give me 3 llooms n 45k and i give u my MW long sword best itam in game.

call now supplies r litimed can only offer 3 looms +45k for next 30 minutes tomorrow i heff 2 sell 4 3 looms + 100k u buy now OK??!??
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Arthur_ on August 03, 2013, 12:04:21 pm
Just like Grimoald who has ~35 +3 items and still wants more stuff, why?
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Riddaren on August 03, 2013, 12:22:38 pm
You should know that those who put up extremely unfair offers are the noobs of the marketplace.
In the end they make less profit than those putting up more fair trades.

They are just like trolls in a forum and you know not to take them seriously.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Torost on August 03, 2013, 01:14:05 pm
It is very rare for the silly offers to get hit.

Sometimes they are legit, since the price is absurd.
They are just showcasing the item ,not wishing to name a price. Awaiting offers.

The tax skews the market. But there are psychological factors at play here.
Humans tend to overvalue what they presently have and undervalue what they do no have.
Look up Kahneman Behavorial economics for more on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics)
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: RobertOfDrugsley on August 03, 2013, 01:48:13 pm
+1 for planned economy

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Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Latvian on August 03, 2013, 02:22:31 pm
i dont use marketplace at all and i suggest everyone to do the same, if i realy want something i just ask around my so called friends and maybe get something like straight trade. DOWN WITH THE JEWKETPLACE
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: En_Dotter on August 03, 2013, 02:26:44 pm
What about Strategus to cRPG trades? Lets say i want to purchase your fief and u ask me for a loomed item. I give u loomed item +3 for a stone or 1 gold coin. On the marked place it would look like "retarded" trade but its actually totally legit. What now?

What if i wanna give an item or gold or loom point to someone cus i just wanna do it?
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Nehvar on August 03, 2013, 05:22:23 pm
All I`m asking for is common sense, nothing more.

Common sense isn't very common at all.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: BlueKnight on August 03, 2013, 06:35:31 pm
About the marketplace... I had an idea about loompoint respec which could be like skill respec but with bigger cooldown (like 3 weeks), but it would have to be followed by marketplace removal & current_gold removal. Each char would be granted the amount of loompoints from his generations and would be given some amount of gold depending on generation or something. There could also be the place on the crpg website where you would be able to sell your loom for a set price. Devs could adjust the price to as much as they want. Armoury and transfering option between alts&main could stay like it's now.

pros:
+less raging people
+lack of barriers when you want to switch class (except for cooldown -> the only barrier)
+no scammers -> fair&square -> you've got what you worked for
+more variety
+more dev influence on amount of gold among players (by adjusting selling price etc.) -> inflation under control
+no fear of losing your items and getting worse or having to pay more to regain old ones
+Devs have bigger field of mistake/change so players like Bars aren't fucked (RIP Long Voulge, Heavy Lance) and all 4stratloomrs

cons:
-genius market whoresmerchants lose the results of their hard scamwork
-Can't go high amount of looms & low gen unless in the clan or have alts

I guess people who have way more looms than generations could be given a few bonus loompoints for their the amount of life they have spent trading. All in all some active dev (khy Paul (cuz u awsum Paul)) could at least try to think how to balance it all, then 1 of the cons would disappear. [Ex. (amout of lps over generations)/2or3 = bonus, but cap would be needed]

Imho if you satisfy the marketwhoresmerchants somehow, then by introducing this to crpg you would basically change the game to better one.

Dunno but maybe adding an option to buy a loompoint in that place on c-rpg website would be a good idea as well? It would remove the 2nd con.

I never forced myself to write it b4 because people never read tl;drs, also maybe somebody suggested it before, who knows.

Tell me what ya think (I just derailed topic lul)

I guess somebody should start new topic about it so we can discuss it.

The longer we have current marketplace the harder it is to balance everything properly because there will be victims of this change :-(  (if it ever happens)

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Devs thought they wouldn't have to give any loom respecs after stat-changes as they have given us the marketplace where we can exchange our items with other people.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: FleetFox on August 03, 2013, 07:40:27 pm
welcome to capitalism

Yep, classic neoliberal capitalism at its best.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Blade on August 03, 2013, 09:09:06 pm
Mo money Mo problems.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Falka on August 03, 2013, 10:15:21 pm
This thread is pretty pointless, as someone said already, those who put ridiculous offers liek +3 armor for 1.5 mln gold probably don't want to sell it. So you're pointing finger at the wrong persons Panos. True "merchants" aka scamming whores like me make resonable offers. E.g. 2 loompoints and 50 k gold for destrier. Probably you would say its fair offer. The problem is you can easily sell it for 2 lp and 150 k. And you can not stop ppl from earning money in this way cause it's just way too easy to put a few offers and wait untli someone will accept them.

Take a look at booths, there are true "merchants". Obi Wan has 2 booths - 1 booth costs 200 k, maybe more - with 100 offers. And hes have them them for a year or even longer, just imagine how many looms he has to have  :wink:
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Tore on August 04, 2013, 12:53:12 am
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Kalp on August 04, 2013, 11:36:22 am
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Obi Wan has 2 booths - 1 booth costs 200 k, maybe more - with 100 offers. And hes have them them for a year or even longer, just imagine how many looms he has to have
Don't ask. You wouldn't want to know  :lol:
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on August 04, 2013, 03:58:46 pm
My Loompoints are worth 500k since 2011. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Leesin on August 04, 2013, 04:11:08 pm
What about Strategus to cRPG trades? Lets say i want to purchase your fief and u ask me for a loomed item. I give u loomed item +3 for a stone or 1 gold coin. On the marked place it would look like "retarded" trade but its actually totally legit. What now?

What if i wanna give an item or gold or loom point to someone cus i just wanna do it?

It wouldn't look retarded  to anyone who isn't a noob because to anyone who has played C-RPG for a while knows people do the "for a stone trades" to give items and gold etc to someone else.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: wayyyyyne on August 04, 2013, 09:47:42 pm
patience is a virtue at the marketplace
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: En_Dotter on August 05, 2013, 12:08:33 am
It wouldn't look retarded  to anyone who isn't a noob because to anyone who has played C-RPG for a while knows people do the "for a stone trades" to give items and gold etc to someone else.

Yes, we know but suggestion for bot as trade inspector might not know that. Someone suggested bot as a financial police :P
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Prpavi on August 05, 2013, 12:15:11 am
Oh god guys, relax. Getting scammed at the marketplace is just another experience in this mod, if you heaven't been scammed you heaven't played the mod!

Let the scammers scam, their hoarding looms is overcompensating for RL shortcomings anyways  :wink: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: JackieChan on August 05, 2013, 12:50:11 am
Oh god guys, relax. Getting scammed at the marketplace is just another experience in this mod, if you heaven't been scammed you heaven't played the mod!

Let the scammers scam, their hoarding looms is overcompensating for RL shortcomings anyways  :wink: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
actually i use same techniques in crpg market place as IRL (and it works! :3)
Marketplace is one of the best thing that happened to crpg. If you guys cant avoid those stupid offers on the market place, then you deserve to be scammed.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Prpavi on August 05, 2013, 12:57:55 am
actually i use same techniques in crpg market place as IRL (and it works! :3)
Marketplace is one of the best thing that happened to crpg. If you guys cant avoid those stupid offers on the market place, then you deserve to be scammed.

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Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on August 05, 2013, 01:03:33 am
I know that no one is forcing me to buy his stuff, but god it grinds my gears when I see things like that, this community has turned into a gold+looms eating machine, everyone is trying to jew everyone, just  to gain some gold.

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I mean, look at this guy, he`s asking 1.55 for his armours, while at the same time, someone can buy 3 loom points for 1.20~

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If people could actually make logical offers/requests, that would be cooler, I hate it when I have an armour that I know that another guy want`s and vice versa , but he won`t do a trade until I give him so gold, but dude, I have the armour you want to use, and you have the armour I want to use, why do you have to be such a gold digger??

I think that the devs should add a bot at the marketplace, that it would detect retarded requests, and then bitchslap the requester.

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The thing is loom prices fluctuate. It's based off of what people are willing to pay. Which means sooner or later this guy, and others like him will either get lucky and sell this stuff because people wanted it badly and then sell other items for the same price( I mean, if you can make 300K why wouldn't you?). Or they don't sell it and eventually knock their prices down.  Too bad CRPG isn't communist, then we could all own our loom's together!
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on August 05, 2013, 08:27:51 am
I try to always trade for a profit. I'm not picky about what item I get. If I can trade my !H for another 1H + gold, I'll do it. If someone really wants my +3, they can trade a similar +3 with some gold on the side. They get what they want for a nearly 1:1 trade and I score a little gold to cover upkeep if I find an expensive item I really want to keep for a while.

Balanced builds can use nearly any weapon of the same type to good effect. I make someone else happy and I get a fresh playstyle to master. I think everyone wins in this situation.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Panos_ on August 05, 2013, 08:30:34 am
There is a big difference in trying to have a small profit, and jewing someone out
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on August 05, 2013, 09:01:54 am
I usually try to trade +3 for +3 and done. If its a different price class (like trading a +3 quarter staff for a great long axe) I dont mind paying some gold but all those "ok I'll put the trade up if you add a little gold - how much? - 100k is enough" are for the shit.

In the meanwhile I also had some trades up where I demanded money (like 20k or something), didnt work out anyway and I wont do it anymore.
Sure everybody is looking to make a good trade but some offers are just... mindblowing
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: [ptx] on August 05, 2013, 09:11:11 am
Ahhh, Panos, i always knew you were a commie.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Armycook_of_KSantiago on August 16, 2013, 05:05:10 am
i can buy everything with 2 lps+300k, 2 lps+ less than 100k for weapons(except longsword and miaodao)
so NEVAR LOOM STUFF  ^_^
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: dreadnok on August 16, 2013, 05:10:11 am
Oh god guys, relax. Getting scammed at the marketplace is just another experience in this mod, if you heaven't been scammed you heaven't played the mod!

Let the scammers scam, their hoarding looms is overcompensating for RL shortcomings anyways  :wink: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


but its always a cunty euro
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Oberyn on August 16, 2013, 08:19:32 am
Only looms that belong to me were done through gens, 3 MW total. If I feel the need for some loomed armor there is usually something I can borrow from armoury. Beyond that the only use I have for the market is selling the occasional loompoints from lvl'd alts to feed my expensive cav habit. Of course there's gonna be complete assholes who feed off of other people's idiocy or impatience. That filth is present whenever you set up any kind of trading in any game. You aren't forced to interact with them in any way. Just like in RL they like to think they are the driving force and heart of capitalism, when really they are the antithesis of production. Just parasites who convince themselves they are beneficial to their host organism. "Speculators", the most worthless job in existence, and paradoxically one of the highest paid.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on August 16, 2013, 10:02:09 am
... The people demanding some kind of "nanny state" solution are the fucking retards.

The people with shit offers won't make money. Ignore them and get on with business ffs.

If you don't want to pay gold in, don't!

FUCKING NUMPTIES!

Bad Panos, you make me sad with your commieness.
Title: Re: Stop trying to abuse the market
Post by: Boerenlater on August 16, 2013, 12:05:49 pm
i realy hate when someone offers something like this

courser + 50k for heavy lance and 1 lp. I sometimes almost accept those offers cuz i use low resolution i don't always see that they want 1 lp on top.
It isn't the time i made mistake in accepting offers that are bad i once thought i sell elite scimitar,but i sold my elite cav shield and once i payed 50k instead of guy paying me 50k.
Tripleread everything on the market. If not; it's your own damn fault.