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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Prpavi on August 01, 2013, 09:39:42 am
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Heaven't played much recently, but when I do it's strictly for XP, I have never been into strat myself too much, am not a member of any faction in strat so I don't have an "obligation" to fight and I don't like or dislike anybody enough to go fight for or against them on regular basis.
I prefere themed multiclan fights and tournament scene like what was going on while Strat was not online.
Seen some faction members say strat is great XP and the reason they play it. Don't believe that should be your main motivation to play strat as a faction member. mercing out is another thing, being a merc is all about the money (XP in this case)
So why do you guys play it, pure XP, fun, big battles..? Do you think people would still play it as much without the crazy amout of XP?
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If you're asking whether people play strat to get xp for their characters? Then no. It would be an insane amount of work to set up just for XP. You'd have to create a faction, attack someone else, forge alliances so that people would join your roster, and then constantly produce troops and attack other people who also had enough alliances to fill up a roster for good XP, who would then counterattack you for your aggressions.
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If you're asking whether people play strat to get xp for their characters? Then no. It would be an insane amount of work to set up just for XP. You'd have to create a faction, attack someone else, forge alliances so that people would join your roster, and then constantly produce troops and attack other people who also had enough alliances to fill up a roster for good XP, who would then counterattack you for your aggressions.
I understand the faction leaders don't play it for the XP, exactly like you wrote they would have to be mad to do so, but in your roster you'll have maybe 5/10 people involved in planing and diplomacy while the rest are there to fight. I'm interested in those people motivation to do so.
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Playing Strat for Vovka, DRZ, Mother Russia and EXP (in no particular order, except Vovka is on 1-st place ofc :) )!
Due to I'm heavy retiring addict can't play it much though :(
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I don't play in strat as a clan player, I'm not a member of any clan in strategus, my dot just stays in some castle and do nothing. I'm also very high lvl and don't really care about xp, so the only reason why I play it - and I play it almost exclusively recently - is fun :P Strat battles are much more intensive than battles on EU1 or even sieges, they're like organised TDM which I always missed in cRPG. Not to mention 100 players on the server and all stuff which is builded there, which makes it really epic sometimes :P
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When this round started out, I actually tried to get into it. Like a trader, making money (Silver nowadays - how fancy...) and just... you know... randomly going placed and trying to do something with sense instead of just ignoring it.
But I ended up being attacked from all sides a few times in a row. Even missed the first battle completely cuz there nothing that noticed me and I wasn't checking my coloured blob on that jpg-map daily. It wouldn't have been as demotivating as it was if it wasn't Fallen, SB and another big clan/faction dude attacking instead of another lonely randomer...
The battles turned out rather well for me. I actually managed to get a proper roster vs the Fallen guy and won. Against the SB EU3 bugged out, I got the default win as defender and got a shitload of equipment for free from it.
Yea, that's not helping to motivate to invest time into it when EU3 bugging around is enough to make you loose everything. Less harmful for the SB fellow cuz "big faction" but imagine this happening to a lonely randomer... devastating.
Anyway, I like strat battle for the effort that is put into trying something similar to formations and tactics. Actually the xp is just a nice side effect then. I rather have an organized tactical battle then some more of EU1 gameplay and a shitload of xp.
Unfortunately, most of the time it is still chaotic in teamspeak. People who think they are brilliant keep shouting in between the guys actually in charge and won't shut up. Then some Russians or Turks not able to speak English and in dire need of a translator who speaks gibberish into the channel so that listening to the "commander" is actually kinda hard...
/rant[
I just wish 2 things would happen: Everyone! Please learn at least basic English. You don't have to speak it, just understand it (would be helpful if the "commander" would try to speak as clearly and simple as possible at least when giving a command)! Aaand... show some discipline for fucks sake! If they say "all shielder bat 1" then go to bat 1... IT AIN'T SO FUCKING HARD!
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Yea, that basicly. My 2 cents... Flame on!
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I play strat only to cause havoc against DRZ & GO.
And thats why I only merc for Mercs, Fallen and Templars.
I once did the mistake to apply for GO, left 5 minutes after the battle started becuase Hetmans voice annoyed me.
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I only play if someone asks me, really. Which is why I've fought for most clans.
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I like the XP yes, but I've seen a whole community not sign up for certain factions leaving the other with less than 51 mercs so, people say they only want XP but I never believe their lies......To bad I work prime time hours so I'll be slaying EU fools in their not to many strat battles.
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Make a poll. :wink:
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Only for xp, there are some battles where you can have fun but most of the time its just boring.
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As a bandit my only wish and motivation in strat is to wreak havoc across the land and get as powerfull as possible in order to take revenge for all the grief that i had to endure, since i´m only a little lowlife bandit without allies :(
Especially the coalition needs to get punished for several crimes against me!
Or those pesky little rangers and their ally Zlisch
I don´t play for xp since i mostly don´t get acceptet for big battles so fun is all that matters for me
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so the only reason why I play it - and I play it almost exclusively recently - is fun :P Strat battles are much more intensive than battles on EU1 or even sieges, they're like organised TDM which I always missed in cRPG. Not to mention 100 players on the server and all stuff which is builded there, which makes it really epic sometimes :P
This
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No becuz I never got accepted into battles.
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Coming from darkfall where you actually lived in the cities you sieged, fighting for instanced territory on a 2d map always seemed extremely pointless. still don't understand why anyone gives a monkey about it, other than for uber l33t exp.
strat was fun when it first came out since it was something different to the usual battle mode. but I wish the devs didnt spend the next couple years developing/balancing/reiterating it, when they could have been focusing on improving crpg - or starting this melee game years earlier.
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Less ranged in a strategus battle than on EU1 but a lot more pikers&hoplites. -> +/-
Quicker spawning. -> +
More experience is less grinding l8r. -> +
No upkeep, you can tincan urself and not pay for that. -> +
Often fucked up terrain with mountains bushes and stupidly placed castles. -> -
Bugapults, empty walls covering all of the screen, bushes errywhere, heavy cav bumps errywhere errybody. -> -
Hetman's jokes/leading. -> ++
Summing up, Strategus battles have their moments here and there but they may turn out to be great fun but also a ragesource.
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I find strat battles (purely as a horsethrower, playing any other class, even with proper build and gear, sucks) way more fun than cRPG battles, strat sieges suck as though.
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I think the fighting is the best game mode.
I love that everyone on he same team has the same options for gear and usually it's +3 for both teams (fuck retiring 12 times for armor and 3 times for each weapon you regularly use).
It's the only game mode with proper tactics and if you sign up for different factions you get to see how different people lead a battle.
I also like when you win you feel that you have made it worth the time and effort people have put into traveling around the map trading and buying gear whilst trying to recruit enough troops to defend their lands and attack others.
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Strat isn't that much work for clan organizers. Thanks to extremely helpful players like dodnet and Butan who developed add-ons to clean up the awful UI, it now only takes me about 5 minutes to slap together an army (used to be A LOT worse).
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this:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/why-i-dont-hate-strategus-anymore/
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I only play strat just because of the xp, I don't play other modes because you can get 1 mil xp for 90 min playing which would take lots of time on other modes.
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I actually stopped playing Strat some months ago, after realizing how frustrated and pissed off I was at the end of every single battle. The constant lagfest on the big battles and the low chance of being accepted into one side were really troublesome.
Then it was the last drop when AI battles got removed. That was the only chance for most players to get into the good battles, and got revoked instead of tweaked.
Nowadays I only play for fun, playing for xp is just another brainless grindfest.
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I used to play if I felt like playing (semi) seriously for a while, actually following orders, helping teammates and so on, instead of randomly messing around in EU2, but the lagfest and extremely low fps made me stop it. Not even the promise of tons of xp would make me go for it again, and I might not even show up if my character gets attacked on the map...
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The only reason I play strat is for the XP, that's it. There's no other motivation or even interest in strat for me other than the insane XP you get from large sieges. If normal games gave this amount of XP I wouldn't be playing strat.
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Strat battles and sieges only for XP and nothing else. Personally I really hate strat battles. Freaking hours straight playing the exact same map, with the exact same people doing the exact same tactics almost the entire time. I know that this is what generally a descent battle should be like. But jesus, I cant help it, I just get so freaking bored the first 50 minutes. Also I dont play strat on the map anymore. I used to, simply cause I wanted to help my faction out, but now im not even doing that anymore.
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I wish the admins, devs, or whoever would create an official 'cRPG League.' Could have it's own tab on www.c-rpg.net. A season could last 12 weeks, each week your faction has a match against another faction (12 matches total for the season), and at the end of the season the top 8 teams would compete in a round-robin bracket. Maybe reward the 1st-place team with a cool little gold trophy icon, silver for 2nd, and so on. Maybe give the winners a gold prize?
These obviously wouldn't be huge 50v50 matches with mercs, etc. They would be 8v8 or some number around that. Only a small amount of XP could be given, I think most factions would do it strictly for the competition & bragging rights. I think this would also inspire a lot of people to create their own teams, unlike in strat where you need a lot of resources/people beforehand.
I've seen a few little unofficial leagues created by the community, but they never seem to pan out in the long-run due to it becoming unorganized or unpopularity amongst the entire cRPG community. With an official league, I believe a lot of players would get involved. I bet this has been suggested multiple times, but I just wanted to throw it out there anyways. 8-)
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I wish the admins, devs, or whoever would create an official 'cRPG League.' Could have it's own tab on www.c-rpg.net. A season could last 12 weeks, each week your faction has a match against another faction (12 matches total for the season), and at the end of the season the top 8 teams would compete in a round-robin bracket. Maybe reward the 1st-place team with a cool little gold trophy icon, silver for 2nd, and so on. Maybe give the winners a gold prize?
These obviously wouldn't be huge 50v50 matches with mercs, etc. They would be 8v8 or some number around that. Only a small amount of XP could be given, I think most factions would do it strictly for the competition & bragging rights. I think this would also inspire a lot of people to create their own teams, unlike in strat where you need a lot of resources/people beforehand.
I've seen a few little unofficial leagues created by the community, but they never seem to pan out in the long-run due to it becoming unorganized or unpopularity amongst the entire cRPG community. With an official league, I believe a lot of players would get involved. I bet this has been suggested multiple times, but I just wanted to throw it out there anyways. 8-)
http://forum.meleegaming.com/events/crpg-eu-clan-league/
It's in the second season and money is being given by a dev to the winner.
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Doubt many people would play strat without the glorious xp
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http://forum.meleegaming.com/events/crpg-eu-clan-league/
It's in the second season and money is being given by a dev to the winner.
That's an 'official' league? I've never heard of it, lol. Maybe because I'm NA... But I'm talking about something on the actual website, nice & organized where everyone can see.
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Nope. Before I was level 35 I played for XP, now I hop into Strat battles to see if the dynamic has changed (does Strength remain the dominant attribute among melee? is everyone wearing plate?) and leave disappointed most of the time.
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i play strat because it's fun and the battles are fun, it's about more than mindlessly charging there's a bit of tactics and better than that there's strategy involved
the fact that you get xp is just a bonus to me :)
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is everyone wearing plate?
Plate? NA? YOu're using peasants gear in comparison to EU side :P
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Strat itself I don't do much in, I've tried to get into it multiple times, trade runs and etc. But it just ends up feeling like a chore. And the only times I go to strat battles is if I really need the XP. I can't recall any strat battles I've actually enjoyed, at least not like I enjoy playing regular c-rpg. The shitty lag I get, plus being a shielder (the one that charges and and then gets demolished by teammates overheads from behind) really sucks any enjoyment out of it for me.
TLDR; I only ever play if I REALLY need the XP, and even then it's a chore and takes a lot of motivation for me to do it.
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The xp is definitely a draw but I think that strat is pretty interesting in itself.
Having competitive, organized battles is a nice change of pace and reminds me a little of reenactments in that people actually follow orders to form shield walls, timed charges/retreats, a legitimate forward line, etc. The use of siege gear is another element that makes it better for roleplaying, with the exception of gigantic ladder teepees. It's also much more balanced in the sense that players fighting for the same faction all have access to the same equipment so you can't really buy your way into performing better like you can by outfitting yourself in all +3s and cutting down peasants on the battle server. There's an interesting kind of anonymity too since everyone's using supplied gear and they're harder to recognize, like sometimes you'll go to run down some lone guy and find that he's way more skilled than you anticipated.
Of course there are also downsides to this kind of competitive organized play, like not being able to play when you're inebriated or low level. Not to mention having to listen to people nerdrage when they're losing a battle.
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I fight for experience, yes, but FCC has been pretty generous to me and my fellow clan members, so I fight in their battles.
I'm not totally against fighting alongside other clans, but as long as their is someone with AoW tags playing, I'd prefer to stick with them.
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Strat itself I don't do much in, I've tried to get into it multiple times, trade runs and etc. But it just ends up feeling like a chore. And the only times I go to strat battles is if I really need the XP. I can't recall any strat battles I've actually enjoyed, at least not like I enjoy playing regular c-rpg. The shitty lag I get, plus being a shielder (the one that charges and and then gets demolished by teammates overheads from behind) really sucks any enjoyment out of it for me.
TLDR; I only ever play if I REALLY need the XP, and even then it's a chore and takes a lot of motivation for me to do it.
strat is a bit laggy, sure, and you don't get as many kills as you do in EU1, sure.
The biggest difference for me is you can dedicate yourself in strat to a cause ... it's not about KDR, it's just about completing the team objective ... defending spawn to make sure enemy cav don't get there, playing hoplite to ward off enemy cav whilst getting practically no kills in the main fight, standing in a shieldwall defending something whilst your team attacks, charging repeatedly up falling ladders for that small chance of securing a foothold on the walls so your homies behind you can get in; all so your team can win instead of for your personal gains ...
... there's something about working for the team instead of just for yourself that really captures me :) ..
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I REALY REALY enjoy playing strat battles , the XP is a bonus for me.
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Change the exp ticks in strat battles to the equivalent of x2 multi in battle mode, and all that will be left in the battles will be Hetman+Harpag vs Haboe+Nocti dueling.
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i play strat for xp mostly, nice xp often saves everyone from hurting butts after battle :)
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they're like organised TDM
+ the fact that people aren't like lemmings. It's just much easier for me as a piker to have fun then.. :)
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The only reason I haven't been moving my army in strat is due to real life overtaking my time to micromanage the army. With a bit of imagination, all those little dots and numbers represent a lot of cool ideas. A full PVP map that works like single player M&B is a big draw for me - None of those armies are AI. Every single one is a person with real goals that you can assist with or destroy.
Fief sieges are like siege server but unique every time - walls get knocked down, siege towers appear in different spots. Open field battles are not even comparable to open field maps on the battle server. It's completely different. Squad fighting, hilltop fortifications, Shieldwall pushes. These don't happen in NA/EU 1 unless a clan decided to run a gimmicky theme and fight in formation.
Being in teamspeak and hearing everyone make plans. The panic when a wave of enemy soldiers overpowers a strategic point. It's intense. The sense of victory when you topple a barricaded area. No other game mode has this kind of teamplay and goal-oriented fighting. Better yet, all the goals are made by players. It's not random points to capture. Each chokepoint and base is planned by someone, and it is that much more satisfying to hold the area or to lay waste to it. Battle and siege feel like joining a random FPS game lobby. There is little player interaction beyond fighting. There are no plans. Just walk forwards and fight. That's it. Strategus is a concerted effort by the players.
The XP is just the icing on the cake. Hang out with friends. Try out new items for free. Theory-craft battles and lay out your plans. Bemoan losses and embrace close victories. Regroup for the next attack, or split the spoils of war with trustworthy accomplices. It's a lot of fun that nothing else in CRPG (and nothing in any other game) compares to.
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strat is a bit laggy, sure, and you don't get as many kills as you do in EU1, sure.
The biggest difference for me is you can dedicate yourself in strat to a cause ... it's not about KDR, it's just about completing the team objective ... defending spawn to make sure enemy cav don't get there, playing hoplite to ward off enemy cav whilst getting practically no kills in the main fight, standing in a shieldwall defending something whilst your team attacks, charging repeatedly up falling ladders for that small chance of securing a foothold on the walls so your homies behind you can get in; all so your team can win instead of for your personal gains ...
... there's something about working for the team instead of just for yourself that really captures me :) ..
Working for the team and you end up with "performance" at 4 or worse and nobody is going to take you for their strat battles anymore... oh wait, you don't get that problem, do you?
I remember being in a strat battle with Cicero in command once and he kept saying "charge up the ladder - I don't care about the tickets right now" and that's what I did. Charged up that ladder with my shield in front of me just to be greeted with Great Mauls at the end of the ladder. Naturally I ended up with something like 5/38 in that battle just to be mocked about cuz I followed orders...
The problem isn't about the battles itself or anything "game related" but sometimes I get the impression this community has some serious issues :wink:
Not that I give something about internet flame - sometimes it just gets annoying :P