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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Prpavi on July 27, 2013, 11:55:32 am
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So I've been playing this gen with my MW Bamboo Spear again and I love it.
I dedicate my gameplay to taking down horses and helping teammates since I get a great range with it.
What I'm having problems sometimes is the horses.
When I manage to stop a horse especially if the rider has a shield It's almost impossingle do dehorse him unless his horse has already taken damage, no matter where i stab i hit the shield. Also people jumping over me and downblocking the stab to the horses stomach, silly.
I'm looking for help overcoming this difficulties from experienced pikers. share your tips and tricks.
Love, Prpavi
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Get a 2h hero beside you, you rear the horse, he finishes it :mrgreen:
Also a lot safer, if you dehorse the guy, bamboo spear is not the ideal weapon to face him if you are alone.
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Took a iron or a quarter staff with u. :wink:
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Always aim for the head of the horse. Know what's around you to predict what way he will run away, then maneuver to that side while he turns his horse and save a stab for when he gets to minor speed. Then you'll get another free rear and should be able to kill the horse.
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Get a 2h hero beside you, you rear the horse, he finishes it :mrgreen:
Also a lot safer, if you dehorse the guy, bamboo spear is not the ideal weapon to face him if you are alone.
I know that's what makes it challenging and winning a duel of that sort is quite satisfying. With allot of agi it's not as difficult as one might think. Also I pick up weapons allong the way if I get bored :mrgreen:
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Could try a red tassell spear Prpavi, I've had some luck with dehorsing with it and it's pretty good in melee fights too, not as long of course but time it well and you can fuck some shit up.
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i have possibly found a new pike glitch, you can bypass shield when you start thrust by aiming at legs/ground and then move aim up. got to test it when i get off work
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i have possibly found a new pike glitch, you can bypass shield when you start thrust by aiming at legs/ground and then move aim up. got to test it when i get out of work
It looks hard to do it with pike :D
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It looks hard to do it with pike :D
Indeed, sounds like you would have a bigger chance to get staggered on the shield or floor, giving away a free hit xD
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Indeed, sounds like you would have a bigger chance to get staggered on the shield or floor, giving away a free hit xD
Really +1 :D
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Yes, it may be hard to do but it has happened, not too often tho so it doesn't really matter to be fixed or not.
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i have possibly found a new pike glitch, you can bypass shield when you start thrust by aiming at legs/ground and then move aim up. got to test it when i get off work
Will try that..
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Or basically any other stab focused polearm, bamboo has a nice combination of length and speed, but the damage is too damn weak.
Always aim for the head of the horse. Know what's around you to predict what way he will run away, then maneuver to that side while he turns his horse and save a stab for when he gets to minor speed. Then you'll get another free rear and should be able to kill the horse.
Huh, I always find stabbing at the head of the horse very risky because of magical shield block. I always stab at the legs, they increased the damage to the legs significantly at some point, never heard anything about it again, but I have no reason to believe they removed it.
In any case, having secure aim and aiming at the legs from the side always works, otherwise the ass end of the horse or the tip of the nose. Aim as far away from the shield as possible and you should be okay. Stabbing from the side allows you to avoid the shield much better, but stabbing from the front coupled with correct movement might allow you to stop the horse again if you move fast enough.
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agi + long stabby polearm is a lot of fun :D the pierce damage on the bamboo isn't very high so that might be the problem, Light lance is pretty fun on foot too :D
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Prpavi, check out +3 Ranseur in armoury, I think you would like it. :)
11 less reach and 2 less speed, but +6 pierce damage.
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thats why i like to use long awlpike + with 9 ps..
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Too bad. There's too much bullshit that goes in favor for these piece of shit spears. Deal with it
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I have no problem with the damage to be honest. Either infantry or cav, but when i stop a horse from the front, I can dehorse him if he doesn't have a shield but if a rider caries a shield it's quite diffincult to get a clear hit, that is what I was asking is there a certain area of the horse you poke and drag the hit or something similar.
Will try out Teeth and Gurnis suggestions.
Oh and also I play with Bamboo because I only try to use Asian gear so no awlpikes :wink:
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You can't have a problem with damage anyway. Any stab is thee most powerful strike with any weapon. The wackyness of stabbing thru teammates or swinging thru characters to release stabs or the ever fun hit before animation mularkey. You really can't complain about a guys shield blocking your attack
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Huh, I always find stabbing at the head of the horse very risky because of magical shield block. I always stab at the legs, they increased the damage to the legs significantly at some point, never heard anything about it again, but I have no reason to believe they removed it.
It is not removed. Horses legs do get armour reduction from melee attacks to the legs.
Always aim for the legs of a reared horse.
Its stupid how few people know this. You need 2 or 3 times as many hits to the body as for the legs.
It is easily noticeable.
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Ah yes, the spear, primary weapon of Man and the most simple and elegant, still.
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All hail the bamboo tickler.
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defend the [s ]tairs!
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If you want something that can be passed off as Asian the Ashwood is one sexy spear, plus it looks region neutral.
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Usually after rearing a horse try to maneuver for another rear-up or up attack the horse's flanks as they ride off, you may hit the rider and horse.
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Also a lot safer, if you dehorse the guy, bamboo spear is not the ideal weapon to face him if you are alone.
why not? its fast as fuck
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It is very frustrating when that happens, just do what Teeth or Gurni said, those are your biggest chances of killing the horse, or you just gotta hope the horse has low health
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the pleasure of hitting the horse and the rider in one move is still very tempting
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If you want something that can be passed off as Asian the Ashwood is one sexy spear, plus it looks region neutral.
ashwood pike is europeen as far as I know in japan you would use spears like the spetum/ranseur/corseque/partisan those are all like the yaris they used in the sengoku jidai time.
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It is very frustrating when that happens, just do what Teeth or Gurni said, those are your biggest chances of killing the horse, or you just gotta hope the horse has low health
You ride an armored pony now, can you tell me how much does it take for a bamboo or any other spear for that matter to take you down when stopped from front. I guess while ridind with the speed bonus you take quite allot of damage but how much damage do you take standing still while people pike the horse.
Also yes i tried Gurnis and Teeths suggestions and must say hitting the head works but the legs work better. also the ass :mrgreen:
As for equipement suggestiosn I really don't mind using Ashwood, it's a great weapon just maybe a but too short. I am love playing with Bamboo and don't intend to stop using it anytime soon.
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forcefield shield is bad enough on foot, on horse its simply ridonkulous. sometimes you stab a horseman to his back and hear his shield block it through his body.
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Due to all the magic shielding BS around, and not having smart team mates with you most of the time or a "decent" pokey with you, you'd want to have a decent side weapon since bamboo spear is 2 slots only.
Rearing and instantly switching weapons to slash head or legs like a maniac should work fine.
Hope it helps, moisty.
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cheers m8! yes when i hit lvl 32 i do plan to carry my Katana with me, we'll see how that works.
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Until then, the LHB should work just fine too.
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Until then, the LHB should work just fine too.
Got that too (+3 :mrgreen:) but i try atleast for now not to play with a sidearm, a bit of a personal challenge.
Also makes me think more while playing and improves my piking.
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Yeah I know the feel, distracts me a lot to have a side weap while using the pike, just as it distracts me to have a shield on the back being a 2h or polearm. A bit of OCD methinks. :lol:
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Like Teeth said, try to position yourself to the side of the horse and aim at the legs. You get a wider viable target that way, and if the horse starts turning it's less likely to maneuver your weapon into the rider's block. If the guy starts riding off away from you you may be able to hit him in the back as he goes, too.
If you're super crafty you could even try to get behind him while his horse is rearing up to get past his block. If he's paying attention that's usually not worth trying unless you've got teammates around for him to pay attention to, though, because forcefield is strong.
In my experience, a bamboo spear is a fine and solid enough weapon to carry on its own, since you have it masterworked. Just remember not to rely too much on the overhead! OH YEAH THEY BUFFED THE OVERHEAD DAMAGE!
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Please. PLEASE. I only listened to the first page of comments and they're all like "AIM FER DA HEDD HUR HUR" Yeah that's okay, HOWEVER. There's a better way to do this. There is a double-hit glitch that has been in Native Warband forever that you can abuse. How you do it is aim for the horse's front feet. The second you know your weapon is going to make impact, IMMEDIATELY jerk your mouse upward and not only will you deal massive damage to the horse--YOU ALSO HIT THE RIDER!
I recommend having some cav friend let you try it on them in duel server a few times--It's really easy to get the hang of, and once you start doing it a few times it will grow into your playstyle. It is also why sometimes you'll see a horse get reared, and a rider killed, in one stab.
Thank me later.
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I recommend having some cav friend let you try it on them in duel server a few times--It's really easy to get the hang of, and once you start doing it a few times it will grow into your playstyle. It is also why sometimes you'll see a horse get reared, and a rider killed, in one stab.
Thank me later.
Interesting, although double hits (horse+rider) happen a lot when you hit the horse through the riders leg (or at least it looks like that).
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Bamboo spear best spear
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a good spear is a spear which you can use with a shield.