A worthwhile thread that clarifies some of the goings on and reasoning. People complaining about diplomacy threads in the diplomacy section are idiots.
Then please enlighten us to what is untrue, or find someone capable of doing so.
Simply saying its a lie without proof is nothing but flaming.
You know you are allowed to post multiple times in the same topic huh? No need to open new ones for each tiny idea that pops up in your mind :lol:
Anyway, last war was started by kinngrimm, he failed miserably because i got word of his plans early on, i took action, he attacked one of my guys, part of cfa refused to enforce the defence pact since he first took action, steel axis already pissed at wolves, ecorcheurs stayed neatral, wolves only had kapi left by their side, kinny GTXs gaming.
Granny butthurt, Granny seeks refuge in Hetman's lap, lots of xp for everyone.
TL;DR.what? why that random guy from spam thread spam in diplomat thread :P
Who even cares? :mrgreen:
And what he states is the absolute truth because he wrote an essay on it?
You know you are allowed to post multiple times in the same topic huh? No need to open new ones for each tiny idea that pops up in your mind :lol:rage post again ...... why dont you say something like "ok thats your point of view", but NO you should post something like bla bla kinngrimm failed miserably because bla bla ..... kinny rage quits gaming .. ok. From where you know that kinngrimm rage quited the game can you tell me ??
Anyway, last war was started by kinngrimm, he failed miserably because i got word of his plans early on, i took action, he attacked one of my guys, part of cfa refused to enforce the defence pact since he first took action, steel axis already pissed at wolves, ecorcheurs stayed neatral, wolves only had kapi left by their side, kinny GTXs gaming.
Granny butthurt, Granny seeks refuge in Hetman's lap, lots of xp for everyone.
Yet half of it is not trueAnd can you tell me what is not true here ??
And what he states is the absolute truth because he wrote an essay on it?
rage post again ...... why dont you say something like "ok thats your point of view", but NO you should post something like bla bla kinngrimm failed miserably because bla bla ..... kinny rage quits gaming .. ok. From where you know that kinngrimm rage quited the game can you tell me ??
Facts that can be verified:
Steel axis first attack in Wolves
When: 2013/04/27 07:06 until 07:43
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=3447
Mercs first siege to Slezkh castle
When: 2013/04/27 19:55 until 21:15
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=3454
So, an attack on a very large Wolf army by the Steel axis and later the same day Mercs siege a castle? If those two clans havent been talking before this day and planning this together - Id be more than surprised - so the War was in fact planned by the mercs before hand.
You know you are allowed to post multiple times in the same topic huh? No need to open new ones for each tiny idea that pops up in your mind :lol:
Anyway, last war was started by kinngrimm, he failed miserably because i got word of his plans early on, i took action, he attacked one of my guys, part of cfa refused to enforce the defence pact since he first took action, steel axis already pissed at wolves, ecorcheurs stayed neatral, wolves only had kapi left by their side, kinny GTXs gaming.
Granny butthurt, Granny seeks refuge in Hetman's lap, lots of xp for everyone.
You know you are allowed to post multiple times in the same topic huh? No need to open new ones for each tiny idea that pops up in your mind :lol:absolutely wrong, kinn quited because he wanted to focus more on RL related things.
Anyway, last war was started by kinngrimm, he failed miserably because i got word of his plans early on, i took action, he attacked one of my guys, part of cfa refused to enforce the defence pact since he first took action, steel axis already pissed at wolves, ecorcheurs stayed neatral, wolves only had kapi left by their side, kinny GTXs gaming.
Granny butthurt, Granny seeks refuge in Hetman's lap, lots of xp for everyone.
Fact, steel axis made the first attack, mercs supported them as allies.
Where were the mercs the initiators?
Again, strudog, those arent verified facts - but the battles are - there is a difference
Am i not allowed to point out that he is lying? When there are clear facts that Kingrimm started the first war and he posts above that we started it, is not a point of view, he is trying to make the Apostates look like big bullies when they forced it upon themselves, so there actions from that point on are totally unjustified and all based on wrong facts
So... I say my point of view, you call it a rage post. And when granny gives his point of view i'm supposed to say gj boy keep it up?Im not saying this but make it looks like it is more friendly not posting things like kinngrimm rage quited the game because of us and also strudog "Yet half of it is not true" ok guys when you want to say something prove it !
We are attacked by former allie, mercs join that attack and Haboe cant see thats starting a war?
Surely anyone not a merc can read that and use some intelligence to work out whos lying.
But time went by, the war lasted 4-5 weeks and finally a peace was struck, we all agreed on peace and that Coalition/Templars would guarantee the peace - meaning if anyone should brake the peace they would attack that clan and wipe it. We had managed to keep our fiefs and lost nothing to the Mercs during this war. We were set n keeping the peace treaty at this point. Then Kapis broke the peace, and we still stayed out of it though it was a hard decision to make. Then we noticed that Mercs tried to make fun of us, saying that we were cowards and that they owned us, then the attacked Cotgs and we let it pass. Basically, several of the Mercs were acting really bad towards our members and that didnt help the situation. At this point most of us really didnt feel anything but an eagerness to get some good old payback sooner or later when we had grown stronger and the oppurtunity was right. The actual decision to attack the mercs was made when Ginger came into our teamspeak and openly threatened Overlord, he wanted us to give him 20% of the 4k army we had just aquired or he would attack it. We cleared that up with Haboe (which btw was the only one that seemed reasonably interessted in making things work between our clans during the peacetime), but the decision was made then and there.i mean make attack and not only plan attack :P
Found a clip of Haboe on U Tube regarding current war progress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAeMtcURg0
So yeah we blew the peace apart for the reasons grandmom gave, and now the coalition etc are gunning for us but even if/when we get wiped we'll put up a fight and have some fun.sad (( no drama here :evil:
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=4433 now that is just low attacking poor idzo like 4th time? you dont even let poor croat return home, not even mentioning he always has super low count of troops.
They have to make sure they win Latvian, because they lost 600 plate guys to peasants
Teutensuppe will probably claim that it started when Kinngrimm was born....To the current Wolves - it started at this day.
I must say Tütensuppe, I know you already a little longer, but I would not put down yourself as a hero of the Wolves. Please do not be angry, but we all know what happened when the clan went under and what you continue to be driven. Me personally is the matter of Mercs, etc. Wolves matter. Most of you are always crazy when it comes to theme Strat. I want no attack of you. I am with the Wolves and that too a long time. I've never been really active, but I also knew Grimm chin, no matter what happened, I take my hat off to this man He was highly strategic Intiligent even if his life working outside of the PC. Now he has managed to escape the force of the Strat. There are at least 20 of you are consenting man I would very much recommend.
Wrote back to you and what Granny. This is the view of the Wolves, this is our and the view of many other players. Of course you do Mercs see it differently. you see yourself always different!
Grandmom really has nothing better going on in his life, sat at his computer with a stiffy for the past week because of a few wins in Strategus. Are all of these threads really necessary? Maybe you should concentrate on your homework, little boy...
Why do you guys care about haboe's and tyr's words? They promise today and break it tomorrow. They are only pretty little liers. Just ignore, act like they dont exist! Believe me, it works :lol:
But wasn't it you that broke the peace offer that all partners had agreed on and attacked Mercs? If so, you should truly choose your words carefully.Breaking words thing has started with DaveUKR's camp on a mountain that is in the left of Reyvadin! After that, they tried to send an army to the south in our lands. So, yea I choose my words carefully. Thanks
I must say Tütensuppe, I know you already a little longer, but I would not put down yourself as a hero of the Wolves. Please do not be angry
Breaking words thing has started with DaveUKR's camp on a mountain that is in the left of Reyvadin! After that, they tried to send an army to the south in our lands. So, yea I choose my words carefully. Thanks(click to show/hide)
Crapikulu downvoting my post?Seems you mixed 1 old and 1 new agreement to eachothers and prepared a good salad for me, nice! I wont spend more time here with you! If you need the truth, you better find me in ts and hear what you want from me!(click to show/hide)
That gotta be the most stupid thing i've ever heard. An army of one person camps on a mountain near your city, and you start a war because of it? Just out of curiosity, how did you know it was gonna enter your lands? And even if they went trough your land, any clever person would let it go cause as i remember 'The partner that breaks the peace will be wiped' You risk that because of an army looking your way and a lonely man top of a mountain?(click to show/hide)
everything boils down to a competition of resoures, logistics, strategy, fighting skills AND diplomacy (which propaganda is a part of).
Your spelling is almost as weak as your argument.
Do I really need to type things here in proper spelling or are you just this stupid?
Is it hard for you to comprehend what is basically exactly the same word except its shortened? You're one silly retard, perhaps you haven't had enough booze yet.
Argument is, since they havent had the Lord in Sargoth present, he hasnt been able to sort out the gear after 6 sieges, after the sieges u get to much different stacks, and then u cant use all stacks. Haboe knows this, he just want to whine a bit.
soon we'l have you mercs down to 1 fief same as last strat back to where you belong.
one times moreShhh man, don't spoil the fun for us :|
"Don't throw bricks when you live in a glass house."
hmmm...let me remember about the wolves last strat and also the strat before...
let me remember who forced us (the wolves) in these situations in the past...hmmm...i cant even remember the clan, but im sure they were using a lot of accounts and cd.keys...hmm...
There tough is an argument i can listen to.
So you're saying you need someone to spoon feed the information for you and make it so that even retards can read and understand it?
Thank you Grand for simplifying it for him :)
who forced us (the wolves) in these situations in the past...hmmm...i cant even remember the clan, but im sure they were using a lot of accounts and cd.keys...hmm...Gingerpussy?
If Sargoth does indeed fall i'm getting a cool drink, finding the thread where people were saying 'lol, our enemies are wasting troops and effort trying to stop us returning to our fiefs, what noobs' and having a fun read.
Threads don't win wars.
I still don't get it.(click to show/hide)
All I see is Wolves hunting small time parties being a good ally, then a Steel Axis attack with Apostates mercenary support and then a full blown assault on Slezkh Castle by the Apostates. Why this thread? Apostates betrayed your alliance, attacked you and you fight back. Why is Haboe being a little bitch about being ganked and not able to deal with a two front war if the Apostates clearly caused the Wolves war themselves? Why do you GRANDMOM feel the need to explain why you are at war with the Apostates when they simply attacked you?
Im confus.
Becuz you are not kinny, so you don't know where that war started :Pbahaha!
A war never starts with the first battle :mrgreen:
I still don't get it.(click to show/hide)
All I see is Wolves hunting small time parties being a good ally, then a Steel Axis attack with Apostates mercenary support and then a full blown assault on Slezkh Castle by the Apostates. Why this thread? Apostates betrayed your alliance, attacked you and you fight back. Why is Haboe being a little bitch about being ganked and not able to deal with a two front war if the Apostates clearly caused the Wolves war themselves? Why do you GRANDMOM feel the need to explain why you are at war with the Apostates when they simply attacked you?
Im confus.
bahaha!
A war isn't a war until there's a battle. Either way, mercs deserve it, from my across the pond estimation.
Also, here's something. If Kinny was going to attack you boys, and you "countered" why then is there STILL a group of small/medium clans willing to attack you, even now? Could it be, because mercs are assholes or is it because they see mercs as falsley attacking them first?
Do you really think the aposates would just turn around and attack their own ally for no reason teeth?
No one cares what you tree huggers think over the pond
Becuz you are not kinny, so you don't know where that war started :PI DID! Because I got your 8k goods and didnt give them back! And then I defeated you, when you tried to get those goods back from me. MUHARHARHAR! :3
A war never starts with the first battle :mrgreen:
Becuz you are not kinny, so you don't know where that war started :P
A war never starts with the first battle :mrgreen:
lol,a war dont start with the first battle? how stupid are u ? ofc,attack me twice and then maybe when i ask u it could be a war,otherwise it would be a kind of clanmatch or what?
you are one of those, who are blaming the 90th generation for that what their "predecessor" did, like a jew asking for compensation!
Thats now like a new clan,new leader,nearly everything new,but u butthurt have still ur old ideas in ur head!
Ghehe 90th generation predecessor :P I'm talking about what caused the previous war, the one you use as your reason to attack us :wink:
Whatsup with wolves btw? I know you are relatively young, but you all dive in as a pack of hormone driven aggressive 12 year olds into the adult section of the videostore...
Ease up, its a game :wink:
lol,a war dont start with the first battle? how stupid are u ? ofc,attack me twice and then maybe when i ask u it could be a war,otherwise it would be a kind of clanmatch or what?
you are one of those, who are blaming the 90th generation for that what their "predecessor" did, like a jew asking for compensation!
Thats now like a new clan,new leader,nearly everything new,but u butthurt have still ur old ideas in ur head!
Uhh, didnt even know diplomacysection was this entertaining. Havent checked this section over a year now cause they kept issuing warnings every time i posted something. Also you kept writing "mercs" *cough* i think you forgot to mention half of the faction there mate. :DDeserters don't count. They are mere marionettes for Mercs. Marionettes with shorter strings then those of Bros. The strings of Blackfist are already cut, I guess.
Deserters don't count. They are mere marionettes for Mercs. Marionettes with shorter strings then those of Bros. The strings of Blackfist are already cut, I guess.Fair enough.
Im not sure if anders posts are funnier to read than cicero and ginger having an argument.
I mean seriously dude, you have not the slightest clue about Mercenaries as a clan. At least the Wolves have some kind of grievance with us, but have nothing to base your argument on. You are just talking shit mate. 99% of EU players would tell you that Mercs are a clan of decent, active and (for the most part) friendly players. Stick to judging things on your 'side of the pond', at least you might know what you are talking about then.
Also, before I quit strategus participation and management, I was privy to the reason for declaring war on Wolves and I didnt see the actual reason posted on this thread.
Breaking words thing has started with DaveUKR's camp on a mountain that is in the left of Reyvadin! After that, they tried to send an army to the south in our lands. So, yea I choose my words carefully. Thanks(click to show/hide)
Dude, I stayed there months already by the moment you made an agreement. I had 1 troop, 0 items and I wasn't reporting information around it or anything. I simply didn't play and didn't give a single heck about Strategus. You also have a very short memory and you completely forgot how I managed to save your southern fiefs and gave away my own fief for 1 of yours at the very beginning of this Strategus, when I was building Dhirim area alone (noone of Mercs wanted to help me there initially, it was completely my initiative). Ozan and Erebosaither sweared to be friends with me forever. And then your clan attacks my 1 man army, standing on the mountain for a couple of months. Did I break any word I gave to you? It is all about greed, first Kinngrimm's and then yours.If you tell me something about first times of this strat version, I was in holiday and have no idea what you did guys together. Plus, it seems you didnt follow what happened without you between mercs and us. Plus, you are saying one man stay there with no purpose, so it must not be a big problem for you. Plus, like haboe and tyr did break their words and didnt care what you promised to ozan and erebo, I had right to ignore Ozan's and Erebo's promises to you!(you say they promised you something, didnt hear about it before!). And, why should I care your promises unless you respect your NAP between wolves and mercs!
Dude, I stayed there months already by the moment you made an agreement. I had 1 troop, 0 items and I wasn't reporting information around it or anything. I simply didn't play and didn't give a single heck about Strategus. You also have a very short memory and you completely forgot how I managed to save your southern fiefs and gave away my own fief for 1 of yours at the very beginning of this Strategus, when I was building Dhirim area alone (noone of Mercs wanted to help me there initially, it was completely my initiative). Ozan and Erebosaither sweared to be friends with me forever. And then your clan attacks my 1 man army, standing on the mountain for a couple of months. Did I break any word I gave to you? It is all about greed, first Kinngrimm's and then yours.I talked with Kinngrimm a bit when I took Curin, I'll just state some things here, he complained about lack of merc fighting against UIF and was somewhat afraid of an incoming attack from you (this was a few months before your attack actually happened), as he obviously didn't trust you he didn't feel like spending any of his troops against UIF when you weren't spending all of yours, and he fully believed (and I agree with him here) that he did plenty more than you as at least he fought the Ottoman (who admittedly rolled over extremely easily), while you simply signed a neverending treaty with them after (according to him) having begged him to attack the Ottoman. And from what I understood from Kinngrimm he didn't really inform any of his members about any plans whatsoever, just gave instructions, ofc I'm not sure of this, never directly talked about it, but he gave that impression, and that impression was reinforced when his members seemed pretty unaware of a few deals when he left.
Also, I don't know why Grandmom is trying to make white out of black. Who if not you would know Kinngrimm's plans to start this war against Mercs particularly? But he wanted all the clans there to participate: provoke Mercs to attack (closing borders around Mercs' territory to completely block trading routes) while the rest of their allies are busy with Druzhina. Kinngrimm knew all the plans of CA and Coalition to attack Druzhina, that's why he wasn't going to help there. And instead he made this plan.
That's one of the reasons I hate playing Strategus. It's better to watch than to play it.
I talked with Kinngrimm a bit when I took Curin, I'll just state some things here, he complained about lack of merc fighting against UIF and was somewhat afraid of an incoming attack from you (this was a few months before your attack actually happened), as he obviously didn't trust you he didn't feel like spending any of his troops against UIF when you weren't spending all of yours, and he fully believed (and I agree with him here) that he did plenty more than you as at least he fought the Ottoman (who admittedly rolled over extremely easily), while you simply signed a neverending treaty with them after (according to him) having begged him to attack the Ottoman. And from what I understood from Kinngrimm he didn't really inform any of his members about any plans whatsoever, just gave instructions, ofc I'm not sure of this, never directly talked about it, but he gave that impression, and that impression was reinforced when his members seemed pretty unaware of a few deals when he left.
Ur right,no one had an idea what will be tomorrow,only orders from him.I was supposed to have an idea because he told me lots of stuff. lots about troop-movement, lots about diplomatic plans, lots about whatever. And he told that stuff to me, even after I told him "Kinngrimm! Stop telling me that, I am not able to remember the first numbers and locations after you told me the second." - So I guess he just did repeat it loudly for himself to be able to remember it all... while I was getting headaches from TMI.
Maybe you should go outside once in a while and, I don't know, get some perspective? :lol:You Bjord sound suspicious since you came back here from the real world... :?
You Bjord sound suspicious since you came back here from the real world... :?
Then again, Kinngrimm never learned in school how to get to the point, so I'm pretty sure that didn't help. Combined with Niemand's slight retardation, of course.DO NOT CALL ME RETARDED! Its "mentally challenged" you shitty american racistbasterd! :O
It's so adorable reading people gloat about their great "leadership skills" in Strategus, though. It's almost like you think it's something other than a game. Maybe you should go outside once in a while and, I don't know, get some perspective? :lol:
Edit: And who the fuck is "Falka"? And why is it plusvoting my posts? VOTE THEM DOWN IF YOU LIKE THEM, BIATCH! :O
I hear the sun is a beautiful thing...Yah. It seems Bjord did stare into it for too long...
Do you really think the aposates would just turn around and attack their own ally for no reason teeth?Hmmmmmmm... Yes? Where have i seen this before... :lol:
I discussed with Kingrimm that I thought mercs were going to attack us a few weeks before it happened.
New to strat but looking at map it made sense for mercs to consolidate territory, and Kinngrimm confirmed there was some history ie mercs did not want us in snowlands from start of this strat round. I suggested looking for allies, which lets face it had to be UIF, in case it happened, he said he was.
Look at the posts from that first attack, mercs/sa thought they would win quick and end up stronger. If they had it all would have made good game sense. Only looks silly now for attacking ally because they did such a poor job of it.
Whether he told me all I dont know, but he was worried about merc attack direct or via proxies, (both happened), before it happened. Hes not stupid.
It wasn't Casimir, he's just a puppet ;)
I still see that Mercs has still a lot of problem with the truth , so they still make up their own.
I'll tell you when all of this started.
It started (strategus 3) when mercs who were enemy came up with plan were Kinngrinn was supposed to betray us (Pecores , Camel and Templar), and Kinngrimm prentended to, but stood loyal to us.
Mercs hated Kinngrimm because he choosed to betray the betrayers and plotters , and to stand by his first a real alliance with us.
I''m glad to say i've played two strategus with the Wolf Clan , and they never tried to betray us nor scam us. Never seen such a loyal clan in the whole strategus thing...
PS: If you don't want people to attack you , you should avoid to shout "Shut the fuck up" to diplomat comming to your teamspeak. Your desastrous behavior is the reason you deserve all this.
I still see that Mercs has still a lot of problem with the truth , so they still make up their own.
I'll tell you when all of this started.
It started (strategus 3) when mercs who were enemy came up with plan were Kinngrinn was supposed to betray us (Pecores , Camel and Templar), and Kinngrimm prentended to, but stood loyal to us.
Mercs hated Kinngrimm because he choosed to betray the betrayers and plotters , and to stand by his first a real alliance with us.
I''m glad to say i've played two strategus with the Wolf Clan , and they never tried to betray us nor scam us. Never seen such a loyal clan in the whole strategus thing...
PS: If you don't want people to attack you , you should avoid to shout "Shut the fuck up" to diplomat comming to your teamspeak. Your desastrous behavior is the reason you deserve all this.
Are you?
I still see that Mercs has still a lot of problem with the truth , so they still make up their own.
I'll tell you when all of this started.
It started (strategus 3) when mercs who were enemy came up with plan were Kinngrinn was supposed to betray us (Pecores , Camel and Templar), and Kinngrimm prentended to, but stood loyal to us.
Mercs hated Kinngrimm because he choosed to betray the betrayers and plotters , and to stand by his first a real alliance with us.
I''m glad to say i've played two strategus with the Wolf Clan , and they never tried to betray us nor scam us. Never seen such a loyal clan in the whole strategus thing...
PS: If you don't want people to attack you , you should avoid to shout "Shut the fuck up" to diplomat comming to your teamspeak. Your desastrous behavior is the reason you deserve all this.
That is not even close to what happened.
That is not even close to what happened.I like that version more^^
Em, what you dont seem to know is that the map which you just posted got created before the next strat round started and it just shows the territorys that clans claimed for themselves in their diplomacy thread before strat?there wasn't much arranging really? That's why every other claim didn't get contester excepted ours ? :D
Also this is not even the finished maps, union claims are missing, the territories we claime overlapped. Also 22nd claims arent in. There wasnt much arranging with other clan at this time.
I can only repeat myself, you seem to have not the slightest idea of what was going on^^.
well maybe you have not seen everything tuetensuppe. Because merc never planned to have us (pecores ) in the desert . It was supposed to be kappikulu Nord , and HRE north in kedelke and Zagush. :D .... I still remember their claim map. From my point of view Kinngrimm sticked to what he promised us , and never betrayed us. and weren't you a Cotgs at this time?
remember this http://i.cubeupload.com/7Jfz9u.png (http://i.cubeupload.com/7Jfz9u.png) ?
when everyone arranged with the other to get their claim unclaimed , and when we templar , wolves and pecores weren't invited to it?
When we kicked kapikulu , hre , and all the unwanted from that area?
To deny that some factions (mercs included) conspired to turn Kinngrimm against those he had an agreement with is false.
weren't you a Cotgs at this time?
You think i don't know what happened , because you only know what you've seen on the forum. I was leader of pecores and i had to do diplomacy at least one hour a day , and sometimes i could stay 4 hours talking with kinngrimm. I even had access to some confidential google docs were mercs and hre and their plann with kinngrimm . But if you still want to believe to the forum version , it's up to you :)
You hate kinngrimm because when you wanted to plot to turn him against his real alliance , he decided to spy on you , because he refused to plot with his enemy :D .
Tuetensuppe also was a high ranking wolf member, Kinngrimms 'right hand'.Dirty work do not tell more about it :P
Sorry Casi but this is just wrong. Kinngrimm was never asked to "turn" against anybody.
To put it simply we never planned to attack Templars or Pecores because we were desperately trying to keep all resources back for the war against the UIF. Also If we had been desperate to kill off the Templars then we wouldn't have stepped in to help negotiate peace between you and the Nords. We all know which way that war was going.
Fallen did ask Wolves to join our war against Hospitaller at one point but since Kinngrimm had categorically denied having any diplomatic relations with them then this is hardly asking for a betrayal. At any rate Kinngrimm simply said no to this and so we dropped it. There was no conspiring and it certainly had nothing to do with Mercs.
As for Pecores, the only reason they didn't get a village in the Desert was because Kinngrimm didn't give them one of the fiefs he had negotiated for his side in the peace treaty. Pecores were never going to get Aab in the treaty just as Nords had to give up Fishara and Iqbayl. Why Kinngrimm didn't offer Pecores a different fief is something you will have to ask him, although given that he was never planning to stick to the treaty I guess it isn't that hard to work out.
@Cosmos - You never even published your claims. This was all part of Kinngrimm's plan and the only reason that the contested area is even on the claim map at all is due to rumour and speculation about what you would do. As for everybody else, yes close allies like HRE/Fallen talked about their claims but after that it was just about seeing what was unclaimed so far and sticking your name down for it in the diplomacy section. You guys could have easily done this too and gone for one of the unclaimed gaps on the map. Instead you knowingly went for an area of the map that had been claimed from the start by Nords, Kapikulu and Byzantium. Perhaps if Kinngrimm hadn't been so blindly focused on his original plan then you would have published your claims first and Nords, Kapikulu and Byzantium might have claimed a completely different area.
As for confidential documents would one of these be the peace treaty and claim map that Kinngrimm negotiated, created and signed but then hid or deleted it the day he back stabbed Kapikulu? :D
@Grandmon - What you choose to believe is up to you but I love the fact that people's proof of Kinngrimm's integrity towards themselves is his admitted lying to everybody else. Its just so adorably desperate :D
You're probably right, my memory fails me I'm sure. The point is this shit happened so long ago its not justifications for any behaviour at present.