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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Arrowblood on July 12, 2013, 02:34:32 pm

Title: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Arrowblood on July 12, 2013, 02:34:32 pm
Currently we have the longbow, which is cool and good.

But i want a  thicker longbow with more damage.

Like those:

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The left one is the one yew warbow

It would be the flamberge or the plated charger of the bows, really expensive but with one suprior positive thing, like dmg and length for the flamberge or bodyarmor and HP for the plated charger.
Yew Warbow
missile speed: 35
weight: 6
accuracy: 90
difficulty: 8
speed rating: 40
thrust damage: 45 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
20,100

It should be so inaccurate because of the draw weight and the just balance between the stats.
And a slow missile speed because of the heavy arrows. (In RL)
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on July 12, 2013, 03:17:20 pm
lol ... a bit less damages and it would be perfectly balanced ... 45 dmg + arrows can 1 shot a guy with 30 body armor  :shock:

And if you add a bow with 8 pd ... none will take it, and the  malus for accuracy will be huge ; I suggest 7 .
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Man of Steel on July 12, 2013, 03:55:52 pm
I think it's a good idea, a op bow... hmmm
much archers have 8pd in normal build.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Jarold on July 12, 2013, 04:41:25 pm
How about making it where it is like most expensive weapons. You think to yourself why is this so much more expensive when it only does a little bit more damage? So less damage like 40 max damage, and make it slower then the longbow.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Shaksie on July 12, 2013, 04:47:24 pm
Cool idea but WAY too high damage, maybe 37 max.
And in my opinion it should have the best accuracy and missile speed; Flamberge has best length and damage, so should the Warbow but accuracy and speed rather than length :).
Also the Longbow is already very expensive as the upkeep is extremely common, honestly I would reduce Longbow price and give the Warbow the current price.
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Finally it could require ~21 strength so people need to invest in more strength, which would cause their build to make them less accurate and mobile.

On a side note, I think arrows should affect missile speed and trajectory.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Jarold on July 12, 2013, 06:52:03 pm
I don't get why people complain about archery upkeep. I went a gen as an archer with longbow, bodkins, and langes and I gained money. Is it because I used only one pack of arrows?
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 12, 2013, 06:58:27 pm
I always thought the c-rpg long bow was a reference to the English Long Bowmen (who used Yew bows)...so your request seems redundant with what we already have.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Arrowblood on July 13, 2013, 10:45:25 am
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on July 12, 2013, 06:58:27 pm
I always thought the c-rpg long bow was a reference to the English Long Bowmen (who used Yew bows)...so your request seems redundant with what we already have.
The model of the current longbow looks atleast not like a yew longbow, as you can see in the picture the yew warbow is made out of the strong and dark wood from the inside of the yew tree to give the bow a strong spine and at the smoother wood from the yew tree so that it becomes a natural spring.
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The model of the rusbow looks like that at the moment, what i dont really understand.

Quote from: Jarold on July 12, 2013, 04:41:25 pm
How about making it where it is like most expensive weapons. You think to yourself why is this so much more expensive when it only does a little bit more damage? So less damage like 40 max damage, and make it slower then the longbow.

It is already slower than the current longbow and yew wood is very expensive. All those stats are just a rough idea.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on July 13, 2013, 11:54:39 am
Seems like the perfect bow for Kesh

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Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Arrowblood on September 14, 2013, 10:33:16 am
bumb
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Utrakil on September 14, 2013, 11:01:34 am
Just as a sidenote:
The english longbow was usually made out of yew wood. Itr has very good caracteristics because of the combination of hard and elastic wood (see the different colours in the post of arrowblood). So it kind of works like a composite bow.
This is the cause why in great parts of europe there are hardly any Yew-trees left. they were all chopped down and shipped to england. They are still protected trees in germany.
So yes
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on July 12, 2013, 06:58:27 pm
I always thought the c-rpg long bow was a reference to the English Long Bowmen (who used Yew bows)...so your request seems redundant with what we already have.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Simon_Templar on September 14, 2013, 04:25:45 pm
i agree when devs finally change plate armour how it should be.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on September 14, 2013, 04:35:50 pm
Those stats look a bit silly.

You'd vastly outdamage arbalests in a shot by shot comparison.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on September 15, 2013, 12:36:30 am
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With those stats, the bow would be so inacurate that it could be compared to throwing ... I suggest as I said much lower damages, and maybe a better speed missile. (And then, with the slowness of the speed for log arrows and the huge price , this bow would be balanced). But according to a Tydeus's post, damages reduces A LOT the accuracy of the bow (long bow is the most inacurate because of damages). So, it needs at least 103 or a thing like that. But even with this accuracy, it won't be used with highter armors than Heavy aketons or byrnies, because it seems to be already pretty inaccurate ...


Stats I propose:
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(repairs are highter than arbalests at initial stats, which is a nonsense ...).

But to see this bow added , you need a good 3D model Arrowblood. Ask Dave or Jarold to make a decent model from actual longbow. Then, just go on IRC chat to poke them and say that you have stats , and the model+code for it.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Dalfador on September 15, 2013, 12:54:53 am
You could lower the cost to 15k or 16k and make it 3 slots.  :wink:
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on September 15, 2013, 01:01:52 am
Eh ... A bit harsh, no ? ;)       

So, it would be Heavy Warbow + 15 to 27 arrows and a short sword ?

It remains a bow , it's not a great/long maul or a flamberge... And as the accuracy  will probably be ... mediocre, to not say very bad, so why do it 3 slots ??? 15000g is already huge dude , it's a good armor you know ? Like a Coat of plate and things like this... You can repair a 45 armor stuff leg/body/head/ and mail gauntlets included with upkeep's gold of this item ... I think that's enough  :wink:
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on September 20, 2013, 11:41:08 am
bump
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 23, 2013, 10:18:28 pm
bump.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Penitent on October 23, 2013, 11:05:57 pm
The longbow was made of yew and used during war.

Longbow = yew war bow.  That is why it is so powerful and slow!  It's about as powerful as bows get.

Anything more would be entering the realm of fantasy!
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: //saxon on October 23, 2013, 11:13:05 pm
the stats that you posted, looking at them atm i don't think anyone will use this weapon.

plus i think the developers will only look into adding new items if the model of it is already made and is working
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 23, 2013, 11:15:01 pm
The Nomad bow draws the fastest, and also shoots missiles the fastest....Hmmm I wonder what the best bow is...
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: njames89 on October 24, 2013, 01:31:25 am
I can dig it. If only because the number of options for bows/xbows is way smaller than any other category. As mentioned before the accuracy debuff from using such a high damage bow would make it less effective. I'm actually always for adding more items...
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 24, 2013, 11:38:45 am
Quote from: Saxon. on October 23, 2013, 11:13:05 pm
the stats that you posted, looking at them atm i don't think anyone will use this weapon.

plus i think the developers will only look into adding new items if the model of it is already made and is working

Accuracy is the sacrifice to do damages. Anyway, people will use this item because as said before in the OP, it would be the plated charger of bows. Expensive, inaccurate, slow, but a true murderer.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 24, 2013, 09:57:06 pm
This is a cool video about bows. And I couldn't laught more about the end when archers just run like my old friends like in cRPG  :lol:

@ Garrison : You can see that there are several degrees of power for bows (you see the guy drawing a stronger longbow), this is the Heavy Hew War Bow we want to add to the game, a bow that requires training and strengh .

Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 24, 2013, 10:05:01 pm
Haha I just happened to watch that video too today.  There's some great quotes in it about the attitudes of the fighting men of the time (basically summed up that archers are un-chivalrous and pussies).  And how it was "overpowered" to hit people who can't fight back. 

Like I've said before, people in the middle ages were probably crying about ranged my old friends too, but they didn't get to cry "nerf nerf nerf" to the devs until they nerfed bows.  they actually had to use tactics and teamwork to overcome them.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 24, 2013, 10:06:04 pm
True. They used  shieldwalls, which bright cRPG players don't always do when they have 15 archers right in front of them. Lesson of the video = get a shield or go hide somewhere  :mrgreen:

Also, like in RL, see how it's hard to kill a guy which is wearing a plate. Loads of arrows just bounce. In crpg, when I had 6 PD, I was like those poor archers who were trying to kill heavily armored knights.  :lol:
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Penitent on October 24, 2013, 10:13:09 pm
A great counter to archers in the middle ages were cavalry charges.  Even light cavalry could drive archers from their position or slaughter them.

The key is they did a GROUP cavalry charge...not one or 2 rambo cav randomly swerving all over the map.  I wish someone would organize cav charges in CRPG it would be awesome to have like 6 heavy cav in a wedge charging a group of archers.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 24, 2013, 10:14:13 pm
Yes, maybe it could make some kind of event ;)
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 24, 2013, 10:24:35 pm
Large cav charges don't really work in crpg.  Even if you keep everyone in a straight line, if one cavalry in front of you (if you have more than one rank of cavalry) gets slowed down or stopped on some infantry scum (lol infantry stopping horses with their bodies) then you have a massive backup of cavalry.  It would certainly be cool if there was bonuses for formations (like cavalry charges, or better bonuses for shieldwalls/infantry formations).  Also would be cool (and I know people would cry) if archers firing in groups were able to get some sort of bonus as well (not sure what the bonus would be, maybe added damage  :shock: )
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 24, 2013, 10:29:19 pm
cRPG should get a proper teamwork. I think everyone agrees about this ;)
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Osiris on October 24, 2013, 10:40:41 pm
so getting shot by morningstars or flamberges at range?  :?
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Penitent on October 24, 2013, 10:43:49 pm
I would also have to agree that bows and xbows could use more diversity.  I mean, look at all the 1h, 2h, and poles there are to choose from...
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Osiris on October 24, 2013, 10:50:01 pm
i suppose if what you want is an even greater abundance of ranged and ranged that hit harder than most melee players this is the bow to add :D
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Tzar on October 24, 2013, 11:11:59 pm
gay.... no thx
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 25, 2013, 10:42:26 pm
Bump.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 27, 2013, 01:20:32 pm
Bump. If I got the model for the bow, can it be added to the game after tests ?
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Tzar on October 27, 2013, 01:30:08 pm
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on October 27, 2013, 01:20:32 pm
Bump. If I got the model for the bow, can it be added to the game after tests ?

No.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 27, 2013, 01:50:48 pm
I get downvoted because I want more diversity in the ranged of cRPG ... Cool story brah.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Sharpe on October 27, 2013, 03:06:42 pm
Now if you had suggested some new two handed weapon, they'd be upvoting your post and bumping your thread every hour. Because ya know meleeheroes#2013.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: XyNox on October 27, 2013, 03:44:28 pm
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on October 27, 2013, 01:50:48 pm
I get downvoted because I want more diversity in the ranged of cRPG ... Cool story brah.

You didnt get downvoted Algarn ... you got Tzarvoted.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 27, 2013, 04:07:20 pm
 Why do everyone hate friendly archers ? :(
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Afina on October 29, 2013, 10:18:49 am
somebody want new model bow and arrows?
http://s4.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2012/11/eedfba726dfb22e605b0dd28a0e28529.jpg
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Tzar on October 29, 2013, 05:15:06 pm
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on October 27, 2013, 01:50:48 pm
I get downvoted because I want more diversity in the ranged of cRPG ... Cool story brah.

Quote from: Arrowblood on July 12, 2013, 02:34:32 pm
It would be the flamberge or the plated charger of the bows, really expensive but with one suprior positive thing, like dmg and length for the flamberge or bodyarmor and HP for the plated charger.
Yew Warbow
missile speed: 35
weight: 6
accuracy: 90
difficulty: 8
speed rating: 40
thrust damage: 45 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
20,100

Look at what your asking for  :lol: Its a freakin Rambo bow visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 29, 2013, 05:17:40 pm
look at my stats Tzar :v

missile speed: 37
weight: 6
accuracy: 103
difficulty: 7
speed rating: 45
thrust damage: 37
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Price :  17500
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Tzar on October 29, 2013, 06:00:29 pm
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on October 29, 2013, 05:17:40 pm
look at my stats Tzar :v

missile speed: 37
weight: 6
accuracy: 103
difficulty: 7
speed rating: 45
thrust damage: 37
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Price :  17500

That makes more sense then the semi automatic Arbalest you suggest in your first post  :wink:
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 29, 2013, 06:04:06 pm
It's not mine, it's arrowblood's one.
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Tzar on October 29, 2013, 06:16:42 pm
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on October 29, 2013, 06:04:06 pm
It's not mine, it's arrowblood's one.

Well your stats looks reasonable the one arrowblood posted are retarded...
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Kampfkarotte on October 29, 2013, 06:35:58 pm
Very good idea to add one more bow, I like it when there's more variety of weapons =D
I wouldn't say that 45 cut is that much exaggerated, cause it has only 40 speed. Long bow has 33 cut and 52 speed, so from 52 to 40 speed it's a loss of 23%. If you offset this via damage you get from 33 to 41 cut. Jew Bow is more than 10% less accurate than long bow, so all in all I would say 42 cut would be fair...
I wonder, why this bow is still not added, you got 27 upvotes  :|
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Afina on October 29, 2013, 07:09:29 pm
give me your idea and i maybe make new model bow  :)
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Kampfkarotte on October 29, 2013, 08:25:16 pm
You could make a model of one of the bows in the first post of this thread   :wink:
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 29, 2013, 08:53:01 pm
I already asked this to Nordwolf. The model should be up soon. Afina, if you still want to do one, just make a thicker version of the longbow.

And I also wonder why there is no patch for month, no new item except a katana and a silly donkey with shit stats...
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Bulzur on October 29, 2013, 09:01:23 pm
Quote from: Algarn_of_Nord on October 29, 2013, 08:53:01 pm
I already asked this to Nordwolf. The model should be up soon. Afina, if you still want to do one, just make a thicker version of the longbow.

And I also wonder why there is no patch for month, no new item except a katana and a silly donkey with shit stats...


That's the most important item in all of cRPG ! How dare you despise it !
Title: Re: Heavy YewWarbow
Post by: Algarn on October 31, 2013, 04:38:53 pm
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