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Title: E3 discussion
Post by: Banok on June 10, 2013, 07:03:38 pm
anyone got nothing better to do than watch this? (haven server down)

that ryse looks so epic, gameplay looks completely shodddy QTEs. but its crytek so It will probably come to PC, might not be worth buying but I would like to play just because it looks so fucking pretty :>
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Molly on June 10, 2013, 08:11:02 pm
November 1st.

USA: 499$
Euro: 499€
Britmy old friends: 425 funny money.
And Dead Rising 3 exclusive? That sucks. DR2 is an awesome fun coop game on PC. That blows!  :cry:
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 10, 2013, 08:23:18 pm
Dead Rising 3 has to be the worst and the most stupid game I've ever seen.

On the other hand TitanFall looks frakkin awesome!
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Molly on June 10, 2013, 08:25:47 pm
Dead Rising 3 has to be the worst and the most stupid game I've ever seen.

On the other hand TitanFall looks frakkin awesome!
See... I think TitanFall is just another Battlefield/CoD/BoringAss shooter. Dead Rising was always "special" =)
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 10, 2013, 08:43:45 pm
Dead Rising was zombie comedy game, now it's just another zombie apocalypse game set in some dark, god-forbidden town blah blah blah...

TitanFall isn't just another CoD, it has mobile suits and they are implemented darn good.

But Battlefield 4 is Call of Duty, at least campaign part.

Of course, the best thing shown was Phantom Pain. It's beyond anything I've seen in games so far. I really hope it will come out on PC. It's just like my favorite manga, but in form of a video game.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 10, 2013, 08:52:42 pm
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Post by: Xant on June 10, 2013, 09:25:24 pm
Man, Metal Gear looks epic now. PS exclusive again, right?
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Molly on June 10, 2013, 09:27:33 pm
You do like your weird things, Leshma.

"Codetalker!" - Seriously? What kind of garbage is this? *sigh*

Man, Metal Gear looks epic now. PS exclusive again, right?
It's from the XBOX one E3 media presentation...
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 10, 2013, 09:34:32 pm
No, I like good games. Life to too short to waste it on crap.

Do you want me to post Dead Rising 3 video as comparison? :twisted:

@Xant: It's not even announced for Playstation 4. So far it's on Xbox One and should be also on X360/PS3. Early demos were running on PC (Kojima confirmed that), but KONAMI can't confirm PC version yet. Probably because of marketing. They might announce it for PC after E3.

Edit: Titanfall coming for PC as well. No need to think about Xbox One, after all :)

Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2013, 09:47:04 pm
Hope MGS comes for PC, then. It's the only thing I've seen on E3 that looks next gen. Witcher 3 looks pretty good too, but they didn't show much. Aside from that it seems to be yon generic shooters that look identical to ones from 2007.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Molly on June 10, 2013, 09:48:32 pm
Yea, well, maybe it's just me but all those shooter games just bore me nowadays. And a jetpack and a mech doesn't make a shooter more interesting really...

And I didnt say DR 3 will be wtfawesome with sauce. I said DR 2 is an awesome coop game for PC. I hope that DR 3 keeps the humor, otherwise it's not interesting for me tbh.
Ryse was disappointing. Shield and Sword and then quicktime events? WTF CRYTEK! Screw up much?
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: cmp on June 10, 2013, 10:24:28 pm
Nice trashcan presentation. qte qte boom pew pew qte boom.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 10, 2013, 11:24:26 pm
And I didnt say DR 3 will be wtfawesome with sauce. I said DR 2 is an awesome coop game for PC. I hope that DR 3 keeps the humor, otherwise it's not interesting for me tbh.


Only humour I see here is me laughing my ass of how bad this game is :P
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 11, 2013, 12:12:14 am

Only humour I see here is me laughing my ass of how bad this game is :P

Okay yeah it looks shit, it aint Dead rising if it aint in a mall, lots of humor and lots of gore. This looks pathetic. (maybe im just hating because its xbox one exclusive but still)


What im looking forward to is more info on Dark souls 2 <3 Saw the trailer, damn microsoft throwing money around to make it look like an xbox exclusive or something.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 11, 2013, 12:31:59 am
Microsoft is full of shit. They said Titanfall is Xbox One exclusive, later it turned out it will come out for PC and X360 and there's insider info on NeoGAF that says it will come out for PS4 next year.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Banok on June 11, 2013, 12:35:43 am
BATTLEFRONT RETURNS will it be anything like the original or a another cod clone?
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 11, 2013, 12:37:35 am
Probably the same as Battlefield but with SW vehicles and characters.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Banok on June 11, 2013, 01:26:06 am
Probably the same as Battlefield but with SW vehicles and characters.

yeah still getting a bit sick of current warfare setting. if battlefield 4 was ww2 or something different to bf3 I might actually be interested.

anyway the division looks like it could be good, defo looks dayz inspired

also to be aware of when watching e3's

(click to show/hide)

they all run on pc hardware.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Overdriven on June 11, 2013, 01:32:47 am
Yeah they went from one extreme to the other. Used to be ww2 always, now it's modern warfare. My dream game is an updated version of bf1942. It would be beautiful.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Senni__Ti on June 11, 2013, 02:38:01 am
:o Battlefront, been waiting for the sequel to BF2 for years.
I just hope it retains some of the original gameplay. Though improvements would obviously be nice :P
(There is also a fan developed version in the works, based on the free crytek engine. Which is a nice backup :P)

Titanfall looks interesting, will wait till release (not getting any next gen consoles, so that will be a key factor)

Ryse looked full of potential. After watching the trailer, I really doubt I'll even look at it on release.

MGS looks interesting, is it openworld? (I assume it is from the trailer, which looks pretty sweet).
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Tor! on June 11, 2013, 03:44:42 am
The division looks.. quite amazing  :P
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Xant on June 11, 2013, 05:20:41 am
The division looks.. quite amazing  :P

Why? The combat looked really crap. Guns without any balls (lame sounds and feedback) and having to shoot enemies with ~10 bullets before they go down, constant annoying chatter during a firefight (wtf?).. and at all other times. Other than that they only walk on a street. The graphics looked OK, but the screen is super cluttered with all kinds of stuff.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Polobow on June 11, 2013, 05:29:21 am
sony REKT microsoft, HARD

399? No DRM? normal second hand games?





Only con: Pay for MP. 5 bucks a month. You get the other normal shit from ps plus though.

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Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Kafein on June 11, 2013, 11:46:51 am
Pay for MP really sucks, I don't play consoles that much.

Guess I won't buy a new gen console at all then
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Polobow on June 11, 2013, 03:16:22 pm
Pay for MP really sucks, I don't play consoles that much.

Guess I won't buy a new gen console at all then

Yeah I was dissapointed with this, but understand it. Still, the service is better than Xbox
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Banok on June 11, 2013, 04:19:07 pm
yeah sony will win this console war. imo:

ps4>xbone
xbox360>ps3
ps2>xbox
n64>ps1

tho PC is always the real king ;)
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Tor! on June 11, 2013, 05:16:18 pm
Why? The combat looked really crap. Guns without any balls (lame sounds and feedback) and having to shoot enemies with ~10 bullets before they go down, constant annoying chatter during a firefight (wtf?).. and at all other times. Other than that they only walk on a street. The graphics looked OK, but the screen is super cluttered with all kinds of stuff.

It was the grand scale with a visual quality and possibilities I havent seen anywhere else that intriguied me.. And the chatter was staged, silly  8-)
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Post by: Nessaj on June 11, 2013, 06:16:33 pm
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Post by: Xant on June 11, 2013, 07:18:26 pm
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Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Jarold on June 11, 2013, 10:52:02 pm
Ok I am a huge fan of WW2 shooters but it did get stale, then came modern warfare games and I was happy. But seriously now it's fucking overdone, I see enough of modern war anyways on headlines and shit! Also future warfare is getting quite boring too. Just bring back WW2, hell I wouldn't mind if they made a Call of Duty : Civil War!
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Havoco on June 11, 2013, 10:52:47 pm

That does look pretty good. I hope it doesn't turn out like APB though.
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Post by: Lt_Anders on June 11, 2013, 11:47:04 pm
Ok I am a huge fan of WW2 shooters but it did get stale, then came modern warfare games and I was happy. But seriously now it's fucking overdone, I see enough of modern war anyways on headlines and shit! Also future warfare is getting quite boring too. Just bring back WW2, hell I wouldn't mind if they made a Call of Duty : Civil War!

Would be to slow paced. Those little kiddies who play CoD gotta have their ADHD fix otherwise they don't sell.

Why things like Chivalry and M&B don't last long cause not enough ADHD fixes.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Kafein on June 12, 2013, 03:39:21 pm

Lol, they speak exactly like players on TS. It's so weird to try and picture those voices actually in the action, since they seem so unconnected and say things like "2 on the right, 1 on the left" "I got my heals set up" except verbatim like gamers would do.

Or I'm completely mistaken and those voices are supposed to be actual players ? That would make sense given the last part of the video.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: [ptx] on June 12, 2013, 03:41:38 pm
From what i understand, it's an online game.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Kafein on June 12, 2013, 03:45:58 pm
From what i understand, it's an online game.

It's still completely weird to hear hypothetical voices of fellow gamers in a trailer.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Molly on June 15, 2013, 09:15:16 am
Everyone remember this new Crytek game "Ryse - Son of Rome" which could have been pretty cool except for the quicktime events?

Read an article about it...

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Maybe it's a bug I think, but no. Next time I deliberately press the wrong button. The kill goes ahead, no consequences. Then I try hitting no buttons whatsoever. The kill goes ahead. I put the controller on the table in front of me, the kill goes ahead. (...) I ask one of the Crytek people hovering at the booth – is this a bug? Why am I completing kills when I hit the wrong button prompt? Or, worse, no button at all. Turns out it was a deliberate design choice. (...) "We don’t want the player to feel frustrated,' I am told.

What the fuck?

It's the known gameplay scene from the game but a Crytek guy talking you through...

"We call the fight system mashing the Mastery... you don't have to push the buttons... we wanted to keep the flow cuz missing a button on things like would let the player lose focus for like 10 seconds and that is lame... so you get bonus points for the buttons... we have over 100 different animations for those... the system is really robust"

I always knew Crytek was only about graphics and never about gameplay but this design decision is absurd. Don't even know if to laugh or cry.
Then again it's Xbox1 exclusive so maybe it's just conform with the targeted playerbase...  :cry:
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Overdriven on June 15, 2013, 10:49:52 am
Lol so seriously you can just sit back and watch it?  :|

That said it is a nice looking game.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Nehvar on June 15, 2013, 11:14:08 am
Turns out the XBONE games demo'ing at E3 were running on high spec Win7 PCs; with very new GTX 780's no less. (650USD GPU)  So you probably can't expect the same visual fidelity from the actual console.  Pretty hilarious that they were using Windows 7 instead of 8 considering the XBONE runs on a version of 8.  Not even Microsoft uses Windows 8!
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Christo on June 15, 2013, 11:44:15 am
Turns out the XBONE games demo'ing at E3 were running on high spec Win7 PCs; with very new GTX 780's no less. (650USD GPU)  So you probably can't expect the same visual fidelity from the actual console.  Pretty hilarious that they were using Windows 7 instead of 8 considering the XBONE runs on a version of 8.  Not even Microsoft uses Windows 8!

lmao
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: [ptx] on June 15, 2013, 11:53:42 am
Turns out the XBONE games demo'ing at E3 were running on high spec Win7 PCs; with very new GTX 780's no less. (650USD GPU)  So you probably can't expect the same visual fidelity from the actual console.  Pretty hilarious that they were using Windows 7 instead of 8 considering the XBONE runs on a version of 8.  Not even Microsoft uses Windows 8!
Such a farce, lol. Are MS really doing this, or is this some sort of elaborate joke?
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Post by: enigmatic_stranger on June 15, 2013, 12:17:29 pm
xbone is dead
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 15, 2013, 12:30:08 pm
Damn that tom clancys game looks pretty amazing.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: _RXN_ on June 15, 2013, 12:36:12 pm
Turns out the XBONE games demo'ing at E3 were running on high spec Win7 PCs; with very new GTX 780's no less. (650USD GPU)  So you probably can't expect the same visual fidelity from the actual console.  Pretty hilarious that they were using Windows 7 instead of 8 considering the XBONE runs on a version of 8.  Not even Microsoft uses Windows 8!
Such a farce, lol. Are MS really doing this, or is this some sort of elaborate joke?

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Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Kafein on June 15, 2013, 12:37:55 pm
Turns out the XBONE games demo'ing at E3 were running on high spec Win7 PCs; with very new GTX 780's no less. (650USD GPU)  So you probably can't expect the same visual fidelity from the actual console.  Pretty hilarious that they were using Windows 7 instead of 8 considering the XBONE runs on a version of 8.  Not even Microsoft uses Windows 8!

Everybody hates 8 already


Btw did they officially aknowledge how horrible Vista was ? Hell, did they apologize for ever releasing something like Millenium ?


About Ryse, that's what happens when you have developpers that don't play games or something.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 15, 2013, 12:40:12 pm
Such a farce, lol. Are MS really doing this, or is this some sort of elaborate joke?

I think it's a fairly common procedure. You develop a game on PC after all and you need a strong PC. Later comes optimization for less capable hardware. Games they have shown are 6 months far away from being finished.

Of course, they won't talk about it in public because average gamer is a dumbass and it's hard to explain anything to him.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Panos on June 15, 2013, 12:44:30 pm
look at all these cool games i could have if i wasn't poor
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Kafein on June 15, 2013, 12:44:58 pm
I think it's a fairly common procedure. You develop a game on PC after all and you need a strong PC. Later comes optimization for less capable hardware. Games they have shown are 6 months far away from being finished.

Of course, they won't talk about it in public because average gamer is a dumbass and it's hard to explain anything to him.

Even though that's bad practice when developping general purpose applications, one would think they optimize by design by now.

Anyway, the PS3 and X360 were already PCs to a large extent, and for Microsoft even the first Xbox was pretty much an old PC. This generation continues the trend.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Molly on June 15, 2013, 01:01:27 pm
Lol so seriously you can just sit back and watch it?  :|

That said it is a nice looking game.
Since we're all more or less playing one of the most ugly games alive... we all know by now gameplay > graphics any day.

That's Crytek for those who didn't know: graphics > gameplay. They just wanna sell their engine. Not play games anymore...
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Nehvar on June 15, 2013, 09:32:07 pm
I think it's a fairly common procedure. You develop a game on PC after all and you need a strong PC. Later comes optimization for less capable hardware. Games they have shown are 6 months far away from being finished.

Of course, they won't talk about it in public because average gamer is a dumbass and it's hard to explain anything to him.

Yes but usually they try to demo the games on a PC with a similar spec to what the console will be capable of.  At least that's what I'm told by the devs who frequent overclock.net.  These guys at E3 were talking up the graphical power of the xbone while running it on a 780...which is considerably more powerful than what the xbone will be capable of.  Struck me as shady. 

Not that I ever had any intention of buying a xbone anyway.  The PS4, however, is sparking my interest.  The way AMD designed the core will allow it to do things that current PC's can't.  At least for the next few years.  You probably won't see it fully utilized with launch titles but after six months or so, when game developers have a handle on the architecture, the games should be interesting.  But I won't be buying that at launch either; they don't have any must-play titles yet.  Wii-U may be the first "next"-gen console I buy if Nintendo can get their shit together and provide me with my Zelda and/or Metroid Prime fix.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Leshma on June 15, 2013, 09:47:34 pm
AMD will probably find a way to sell that tech on PC market. Sony is weak financially, doubt they could ask for hardware to be exclusive for their machine.

Reason why they didn't go with nVidia is because nV doesn't let console makers manufacture their GPUs, they sell them as finished product which means they control the price all the time. AMD gives console makers anything they need to produce hardware themselves but I doubt they can't make it on their own and sell as PC component.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: cmp on June 15, 2013, 11:30:18 pm
The way AMD designed the core will allow it to do things that current PC's can't.

Not really, that's just marketing talk. They said the exact same things about the PS3's extremely advanced Cell CPU, and as expected it was far from true.
Especially when that "super CPU" is paired with a GPU that's already junk compared to current high-end models.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Nehvar on June 16, 2013, 02:50:11 am
I guess it's speculation for now but this is what I based my above statement on. (The source is Timothy Lotte's blog.)

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The real reason to get excited about a PS4 is what Sony as a company does with the OS and system libraries as a platform, and what this enables 1st party studios to do, when they make PS4-only games. If PS4 has a real-time OS, with a libGCM style low level access to the GPU, then the PS4 1st party games will be years ahead of the PC simply because it opens up what is possible on the GPU. Note this won't happen right away on launch, but once developers tool up for the platform, this will be the case. As a PC guy who knows hardware to the metal, I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API....

 I could continue here, but I'm not, by now you get the picture, launch titles will likely be DX11 ports, so perhaps not much better than what could be done on PC. However if Sony provides the real-time OS with libGCM v2 for GCN, one or two years out, 1st party devs and Sony's internal teams like the ICE team, will have had long enough to build up tech to really leverage the platform.

 I'm excited for what this platform will provide for PS4-only 1st party titles and developers who still have the balls to do a non-portable game this next round....

My memory of the article was hazy so I made it sound like a sure thing when it isn't.  The potential is certainly there though.  It all comes down to whether or not Sony fully utilizes what AMD has created for them.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Banok on June 16, 2013, 03:10:16 am
so your saying the reason we won't see this on PC's is because of the OS? i mean if it works that well it would be adapted to pc otherwise.

but yeah i've always felt like we could do with an OS that is specifically for gaming, but that also doesnt suck.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: cmp on June 16, 2013, 03:21:27 am
Ok, now it sounds like an overenthusiastic fanboy. PS3 developers have access to the same kind of low-level OS/library he's talking about; did somebody see a PS3 game that was "years ahead of the PC"?
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Nehvar on June 16, 2013, 04:42:09 am
Nah, I don't think he's a fanboy.  He's the creator of FXAA and that's from his blog post talking about the upcoming console tech.  He's more of a PC guy.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on June 16, 2013, 05:16:02 am
Until gaikai like services become the dominant player PC's will continue to be the power house.

The only reason PC games get held back at all is because they don't get built for the 1%ers. But with games like SC coming out that are built to push your machine to breaking point we will once again be reminded of why the PC is the thing to beat.

Simply put the PC will always have more capacity than consoles because everything that goes into the consoles is available in some form for PC, often far more powerful variants. 

But once shit goes server side... everything will go right out the fucking window.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: zagibu on June 16, 2013, 04:55:16 pm
Since we're all more or less playing one of the most ugly games alive...

Bullshit.
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: zagibu on June 16, 2013, 04:58:51 pm
so your saying the reason we won't see this on PC's is because of the OS? i mean if it works that well it would be adapted to pc otherwise.

but yeah i've always felt like we could do with an OS that is specifically for gaming, but that also doesnt suck.

Games don't pass most calls through the OS layer (hence the "direct" in DirectX).
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: [ptx] on June 18, 2013, 09:56:38 am
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Post by: Teeth on June 18, 2013, 10:21:11 am
I always knew Crytek was only about graphics and never about gameplay
I think this is a hugely unfair statement. Have you even played Crysis? People always seem to assume it is just a pretty picture, but I found the gameplay very enjoyable as well, and I don't easily appreciate singleplayer shooters. Varied, well paced and a good mix between freedom and linearity.
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Post by: NejStark on June 18, 2013, 10:34:29 am
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Post by: Vibe on June 18, 2013, 10:40:11 am

my life is complete
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Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 18, 2013, 10:44:17 am
That game is the reason for one the funnier interviews in E3, Dan Bull a youtube rapper guy interviewed one of the developers:
Title: Re: E3 discussion
Post by: Kafein on June 18, 2013, 01:24:27 pm
I think this is a hugely unfair statement. Have you even played Crysis? People always seem to assume it is just a pretty picture, but I found the gameplay very enjoyable as well, and I don't easily appreciate singleplayer shooters. Varied, well paced and a good mix between freedom and linearity.

Does it match with Metro 2033 ? Or at least, Far Cry 3 ? That's a few recent SP FPS games I liked (and in the first place bought).

Ho yeah just so that the younger ones actually know what this is about

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Post by: Xant on June 19, 2013, 09:51:54 am
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Post by: Polobow on June 20, 2013, 07:46:17 pm
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