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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Global => Topic started by: theprojectnemesis on June 09, 2013, 09:03:17 pm

Title: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: theprojectnemesis on June 09, 2013, 09:03:17 pm
So I guess you just need to insert a small little text full of stupid retarded things that never happened with a few screens here and there and you can get someone permantly banned. At first, I wasn't going to contest my ban but as the days past I went back to check things up and realize what a full load of shit it actually was. First of all, the thread itself: kulin_ban saying: ''I have personally witnessed him do this at least 10 times over a long period of time''. Bullshit, I only went to EU_2 a few days ago for about 15 mins and like 5 months ago. And there he continues: ''This player does nothing but trouble every time I see him (on EU2 siege)''. As I said, I never go to EU, this guy just went full retard. I know I tked alot that day, it was wrong and I got banned on EU for it, but here comes Canary: ''Has moved past the essay stage, onto complete global saturation ban. You blew it.'' Are you really doing this cause it's the right thing to do or because I killed one of your buddies in the process? ''I'm calling my friend, hes an admin.'' How often will you hear that in any mods or games that has adminship? Theres plenty of people that have a few bans on their list as I do, but nobody gives a shit...1 day ban for punching someone after the countdown had stopped in DTV (You went a bit hard on that one Desire, but hey I forgave you). See I don't have any problems with admins doing their job, but perma banning me because you felt like it is kinda wrong. ''You moved past the essay stage'' What was I permabanned for by desire already? For insulting someone because he was playing cRPG all day when he had 2 young children at home, told him too harshly, wasn't my business, went on to the next thing, got unbanned. I don't think ive come to the saturation point, most of my previous bans are for stuff no one cares about, doesn't change anything for anyone. I'm not a trouble maker, some people will tell you other wise, some will tell you the complete opposite, but hey people like you or they don't. Sure I can sound ''mean'' or a ''QQer'' or a ''mad kid'' to some people, but I just like to point out my opinion, challenge other people's opinion, challenge the game mechanics and how people play. If you don't want to hear it, close your ears you know. I just don't know how you came to the idea that it was over for me. It's not because the people that don't like me have more importance to the admins that it makes their opinion worth more than the one of the people I play with the most in DTV. You can keep me perma banned on EU, I can deal with it, have no interest with it and I understand people over there don't want to see me again. But I think it would be fair to review your first thoughts that might have come to fast up your head that made you take that decision over NA. 

And also, wtf has SMOOTHRICH to do with any decision taking, he lost his adminship for things like leeching and griefing but there he comes like an hour before an admin writes anything on the forums about my case, knowing my actual main when only a few people did and saying stuff like:`'' You're gonna get banned, haha my old friend, blablabla'' and then openly admits after I told him that why would he come troll me after my ban when he actually got banned himself and got his adminship removed: ''I would do that griefing that got me banned again if I could''. This guy clearly shows he never understood anything but hey, guess what, he's still in the circle of the admins, talking with them on TS or whatever and taking part in a global banning decision. I mean what are you trying to show? Who are you to decide that he shouldn't be allowed to play this anymore?
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Oberyn on June 09, 2013, 10:40:43 pm
Take your fucking just deserts like an adult. Sure, you're not a raging mongolic tker, you're just "challenging the game mechanics and how people play". And the only reason you could possibly get banned is because admins are corrupt and only help their "friends", of course. Obviously the dozens of instances of teamwounding and tking until fully reported only to come back and do it again are...what, fabrications?
Also you seem somewhat confused, you say Smoothcunt got banned and his admin removed, then pretend he still has some say in admin decisions. No, you dishonest shitbag, he trolls your permabanned ass because I think like many he just dislikes you. Possibly because you are objectively a shitty human being, at least so far as your actions ingame have shown. More than that the complete refusal to take any sort of responsability for them. It's almost as if acting like a complete twat and breaking ingame rules over and over had some sort of consequence. Boohoo, you poor, poor victim.
Smoothcockgobbler, it may surprise you, doesn't actually hold the entire admin team in some sort of drug induced thrall, and doesn't actually posess prophetic powers. Even the noobiest of nabs can clearly see you are guilty of accusations against you in that thread (for the how many-ieth time now? Permaban is only for repeat offenders). Getting a ban is just an obvious conclusion.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Muki on June 09, 2013, 10:41:58 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/global/angiestrongestladyintheworld-why-is-this-player-still-with-us/

From the screenshots looks like you went on a nice tk/tw rampage

Also Smoothrich no longer has access to the admin part of the forums or irc channel. Not sure where your getting the info from that he was involve in the decision of your latest ban
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Ulmarth on June 09, 2013, 10:42:24 pm
Dont know how you had the str to read that wall of txt Oberyn, i stopped when he called Kulin a lier.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Matey on June 09, 2013, 10:55:08 pm
My question about all this... is why is he past the essay stage? has he had an essay ban before? If he has never been essay banned before then this should probably BE an essay ban... let him write an essay and if he behaves better then everyone wins.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Muki on June 09, 2013, 10:56:55 pm
Quote from: Matey on June 09, 2013, 10:55:08 pm
My question about all this... is why is he past the essay stage? has he had an essay ban before? If he has never been essay banned before then this should probably BE an essay ban... let him write an essay and if he behaves better then everyone wins.

He already been essay banned
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Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: theprojectnemesis on June 10, 2013, 04:21:56 am
I never claimed I didn't deserve a ban for what I did in EU, in fact a received one from an EU admin and accepted it, but the global ban just seems like general rage to me, just because i'm not liked by certain people ingame doesn't make a global ban more right. And for Kulin, Ulmarth, he is in fact a liar. ''i stopped when he called Kulin a lier.'' Really? You're just backing up my point with the friends helping other friends with what you just said. You don't even know the story, you just base your judgement on the knowledge you have of your friend and call it a close call. That's exactly the problem with cRPG. He claimed he saw me come to EU and tk people over 10 times, however, as I said, I only went to EU a few days ago for a few mins and atleast arround an half year ago. So when he claims he see me tk people everytime he see me on EU as if I go on there a few days a week, that's bullshit and that's what we call LYING to enrich a ban thread''i stopped when he called Kulin a lier.'' Sure I tked alot that day and received a ban for it, but perma ban, really? just cause you feel like it? ''perma ban is for repetitive offenders''. My first permaban on which you are basing yourself to permaban me instead of just banning me for a like a week, was let's be clear, a bit pushed off the limits. It was the first time I ever saw someone get permabanned for having a verbal problem, intense and sometime agressive, I must admit, but trully just a problem between me and Mist. Was anybody tked? No. Mist just felt insulted and Desire decided I went too far, but what does it have anything to do with broking a fuse in EU and tking some people. I know it was wrong, but as I said I received the concerned ban for it, a permaban doesn't have anything related to it. The previous permaban is totally different, even questionable, in that way your repeat offenders is invalid.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Canuck on June 10, 2013, 05:16:03 am
Essay bans are meant to be taken pretty seriously. It's like a last warning. Once you've had an essay ban, if you do something that borders complete and total negligence and stupidity like you did, it's like you're saying that you don't care whether you're banned or not. The last one obviously didn't help much. I imagine that's why Canary resorted to more serious disciplinary action.

Did you forget about what you wrote in that unban essay?

"Living without rules is willing to follow your own will, which means rejecting others, but rules are made for you but for others to. What is a right for me is a duty to the others and my duties are their rights. My liberty stops where the one of the others starts. Rules satisfies more then it narrows. We couldn't live without these rules, the community of cRPG couldn't live without its rules, because the main goal of a rule, even before limiting, is to get people together, and that's very important to understand. CRPG has rules to place limits in the action of the players to allow the community to be in order, to avoid excessiveness of any individuals so that everyone can live together in a healthy and happy place. Because of these rules, bad behaviors who do not wish to follow them, like I was, harmful to the stability of the community, can be set aside so that the rest can continu to enjoy their experience. What has my bad behavior given to me other then hurt some people and harm the cRPG community? What have I gained? Nothing, simply nothing."
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: MrShine on June 10, 2013, 06:02:18 am
Guide on How to Get Permabanned from c-RPG
1) Get banned 11 times in the course of 8 months for teamkilling, leeching, chat abuse, and griefing, between 7 different admins. (oh it looks like he was also banned a few times on EU servers as well)
2) Get essay banned on your 12th ban on a chat abuse & teamkilling rampage (http://forum.meleegaming.com/na-%28official%29/%28unban-request%29-lord_armagedon/msg716628/#msg716628).
3) Write a (surprisingly good) unban essay and get a last chance to save your account
4) Blatantly continue to break the rules and be caught with irrefutable evidence. (http://forum.meleegaming.com/global/angiestrongestladyintheworld-why-is-this-player-still-with-us/msg798068/#msg798068)

I don't see what's "too fast" about this decision at all.  You keep getting banned by a multitude of admins, so you obviously aren't getting singled out and you obviously aren't learning your lesson.  You got (justly) permabanned on your 12th ban, and were given a last chance.  You clearly continued to break the rules after your last chance, so voila - permaban. 

This is about as cut & dry a situation as I've seen.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Ulmarth on June 10, 2013, 04:22:56 pm
Sorry to burst your bubble mate. Im not Kulins friend infact we have had arguments before in server. But he is not a lier

Anyways ur perma banned for being an asshat not anyone else.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: theprojectnemesis on June 10, 2013, 04:51:27 pm
The only reason I have that much bans on my list is becausing im not in one of the top clans like chaos or remnant. How many times have I seen people in these clans teamkill, volontarely bump, grief. However they just get ''warnings'' which is just a signal to say hey bud, start acting normal or il have to treat you like a NORMAL cRPG player. At this point many people from the top clans would have as much bans as I do and between you and me that first permaban was taken a bit too far by Desire and I think she knows, however I accepted that ban, but thinking about it now and how you rely yourself on it to not just ban me here but permaban me, I would have certainly contested the gravity of that last one. The only reason I am permabanned now is because ive already been permabanned, not because that last ban is worth a permaban and that's my whole point here and what is actually discusting me right now. Plus, add to the fact Kulan clearly lies in his thread and no one gives a shit.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: sF_Guardian on June 10, 2013, 04:57:15 pm
Repeated offenders get harder punishment, just like IRL.
What's wrong with it?
But yeah, keep on, its kinda entertaining.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Paul on June 10, 2013, 04:57:39 pm
No, the reason is that you are either retarded or roleplaying a retard, which doesn't make that much difference on the internet. I have seen you in action.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: StonedSteel on June 10, 2013, 05:45:51 pm
OYE!!!

how many of you people actually know project? like really truly know him?

This game is dying, the mechanics the stats the balance is a joke, long story short i DO NOT KEEP COMING BACK TO CRPG FOR THE AMAZING GAMEPLAY.

mostly...i keep coming back for the friends i have made. And project \ Arma is one of them

12 does seem like a lot of bans, or maybe he is getting banned over zealously, i have seen a shit ton of people do a shit ton of bannable things, why is it only some people get banned for things we all do?

can name a lot of people that have either raged or trolled and turned on their teammates, this game is FULL of trolling.

and i get it, kick people for a while, let them have a break, BUT LET THEM COME BACK

do the math here folks, one guy annoying people for 10-15 mins....thats not even worth a months ban, ITS 15 MIN for fuck sakes, how is that perma banned?

Why banned ANYONE permanently? did Arma rob someone? cheat them? scam them?

I really dont care that he annoyed some of you for 15 min

I come back to this mod because people like him have provided so much more entertainment the just the game itself, time spent chatting \ joking \ messing \ trolling around in DTV is like a whole other mode

And i will flat out call you all liars if you say DTV isnt where Arma spends most of the time......so you just banned a troll ..FOREVER...when he spends most of his time....in a mode that very few of you ultra serious players ever goto?

when i want to play seriously i goto siege, when i want to have fun and mess around with relaxed people that like to joke around and make the game enjoyable and memorable, i goto DTV, in hopes that Arma and CLOCKWORKKILLER will be there

the kinda people that remind you , this IS A GAME, Arma's little TK spree didnt hurt anyone...you all get to come back and keep playing, he didn't affect your life in the SLIGHTEST

get rid of perma bans. PERIOD. every player banned from this already small player base, is just another nail in the coffin of a dying mod.

fing ridiculous, rules need to be followed, but too much and you kill the game...already lost good friends to BS perma bans.

And you 3-5 people complaining about how he irritated you for 15 min.....dont even compare to the 5-10 people in dtv spending 15 min talking about how we will miss the guy if he is banned for good.

STOP FUCKING PERMA BANNING!
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: StonedSteel on June 10, 2013, 05:46:49 pm
The only reason I have that much bans on my list is becausing im not in one of the top clans like chaos or remnant. How many times have I seen people in these clans teamkill, volontarely bump, grief. However they just get ''warnings'' which is just a signal to say hey bud, start acting normal or il have to treat you like a NORMAL cRPG player.


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Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Molly on June 10, 2013, 05:57:25 pm
Bullshit... I'm playing this mod for quite some time now and I haven't been banned even once. It's not like I am a saint but I know when to stop. And people w/o any ban history are clearly still the majority for crpg.

So, just the 12 bans from before alone are a good enough reason to remove you from the server.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: StonedSteel on June 10, 2013, 06:04:48 pm
Quote from: benkei on June 10, 2013, 05:57:25 pm
Bullshit... I'm playing this mod for quite some time now and I haven't been banned even once. It's not like I am a saint but I know when to stop. And people w/o any ban history are clearly still the majority for crpg.

So, just the 12 bans from before alone are a good enough reason to remove you from the server.

Just a little while ago, my friend Cap got banned. He ALSO has a lot of bans

He got banned for poll abuse, he polled Jona, who was afk,, right next to V, while bots are attacking V. and Jona cant save the V...cuz he's talking to people on steam.

So Cap, submits the appropriate poll

but since we all love Jona....Cap gets yet another ban....for poll abuse

you see where i am going with this?
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Patoson on June 10, 2013, 06:13:19 pm
You have to be completely stupid to get 12 accidental bans. If it were up to me, I would mute him here or just erase his account and forget about this individual forever.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on June 10, 2013, 06:21:11 pm
Long story short, don't get banned after being essay banned.

One thing you should definately not do is go on a teamkilling spree after being essay banned. I'd keep him banned based on what I know of him.

Based on what I know of him he should stay banned forever. I see on his ban history 14 bans from 10 different admins. (both on EU and NA)

First ban was August 2012. 10 months and he has managed to be banned from 10 different people. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: MrShine on June 10, 2013, 06:27:49 pm
StonedSteel, you talk about the mod dying and how it's a game.

Picture this: a new player just got the game, decides to try it out, and joins a server.  The first thing they see is Angiestrongestwomanintheworld going on a massive TK fest at spawn.

Do you think that new player is going to want to stick around playing this mod?  You say the teamkilling isn't hurting anyone, but it's in fact that sort of selfish playstyle that hurts the community more than anything else.  The rules are set up to ensure everyone can enjoy themselves, and when you value your fun at the expense of other people's, you're usually breaking the rules.

TheProjectNemesis broke those rules - many many times.  He made it evident he either didn't care about the rules, or couldn't remember them.  He even got essay banned and was given a last final chance, only to break the rules again.

What has he done lately that should convince us he won't break the rules again? 
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Smoothrich on June 10, 2013, 06:32:29 pm
Quote from: theprojectnemesis on June 09, 2013, 09:03:17 pm
And also, wtf has SMOOTHRICH to do with any decision taking, he lost his adminship for things like leeching and griefing but there he comes like an hour before an admin writes anything on the forums about my case, knowing my actual main when only a few people did and saying stuff like:`'' You're gonna get banned, haha my old friend, blablabla'' and then openly admits after I told him that why would he come troll me after my ban when he actually got banned himself and got his adminship removed: ''I would do that griefing that got me banned again if I could''. This guy clearly shows he never understood anything but hey, guess what, he's still in the circle of the admins, talking with them on TS or whatever and taking part in a global banning decision. I mean what are you trying to show? Who are you to decide that he shouldn't be allowed to play this anymore?

All you had to do was buy my stones for 500,000 cRPG gold, and none of this would've ever happened. Maybe its not too late, if someone clicks on my 750k stones on market, maybe I will have the time to arrange a mistrial
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Jona on June 10, 2013, 07:56:32 pm
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well said plumbo, well said.

as we were discussing in DTV (where the arguably "less-serious" players go), perma-bans are just plain dumb. nothing done in game is ever worth a permanent ban. i mean seriously, you enrage people for like 2 mins when you go on a tking spree. and because of it you can never enjoy a game again. ever. a little harsh much? whatever happened to an eye for an eye? by that logic he should be banned for 2 mins, equal to the amount of time he "wasted" or "ruined" for those he tked. would i go banning people for 2 mins if i were an admin? no. I would ban for longer to be honest. but FOREVER (or what, technically 5 years?)?!?! not by a long shot. the longest bans should be at most a month.  I have started playing this game a lot more as of late, and a lot can happen within one week. players come and go in that short amount of time who i befriend. being banned for a month is like being left out for a year of real life. time just moves faster in crpg. not to mention a month of crpg-less solitude could really change someones' perspective on the game. they will either decide that hey, having a real life isnt so bad, screw crpg im never going back. in which case he wont bother anyone again. or maybe he will realize man, i really cant live without crpg. screw it, im gonna follow the rules now cuz i am no realizing how important this game and community is to me. odds of him coming back and instantly going on a tking spree again? slim to none.

and not to mention that it is said nowhere that an essay ban is your second to last ban ever, if not your last. and if it IS indeed said somewhere... well maybe it should be a little more obvious. ive been here for 3 years now and never seen a "game rules" post other than this one:

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do others exist? maybe. but if so they must be hidden in some dark corner of the forums, where no one dare go looking. or doesn't have the time to go looking. you guys have to remember this is just a mod for another game. people don't inherently know all the rules about this mod, let alone the game itself. and lets be real here.. no one is going to go out of their way to find them.  as the official server rules post says "first rule of em all: common sense."  well, my common sense says that no one should ever be banned forever for such little acts of trolling, no matter how much of a repeat offender. (lets not soon forget that he was TKing a bunch of attackers in siege, at their spawn, who respawn in 3ish seconds... such a huge setback!)

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He got banned for poll abuse, he polled Jona, who was afk,, right next to V, while bots are attacking V. and Jona cant save the V...cuz he's talking to people on steam.

So Cap, submits the appropriate poll

but since we all love Jona....Cap gets yet another ban....for poll abuse


...thanks for throwing me under the bus here. much appreciated. and yeah, poll abuse in dtv is the dumbest reason for a ban. would i have been mad for getting kicked while admittedly afking to talk to someone? no. it was what i deserved. i was wasting a few mins of others time, and therefore i will lose a few mins of mine while i have to rejoin and then wait. if i got banned for a few days for afking once... well then, i would be a little pissed about that. and eye for an eye, my friends.

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The only reason I have that much bans on my list is becausing im not in one of the top clans like chaos or remnant. How many times have I seen people in these clans teamkill, volontarely bump, grief. However they just get ''warnings'' which is just a signal to say hey bud, start acting normal or il have to treat you like a NORMAL cRPG player.

yeah... this really is the most frustrating thing that pretty much all admins are guilty of. dont even try and tell me you have never done it. bullshit.  i was in na 1 just a few weeks ago where allers, strength extraordinaire, went full-retard-nerd-rage-mode on an admin. making various threats and generally tearing that poor soul apart for being a "badmin." then he also said stuff along the lines of "go ahead and ban me, i already have multiple cd keys just waiting to be used as i have before." so not only did this guy just tear apart an admin, he then goes on to say that he has been hoarding keys and has used them in the past (to escape bans, maybe? idk). and yet this guy is left unbanned? hah. thats justice for u. just because he is a well-known (for better or for worse) player, he doesnt get banned.

same with kesh, another well known player.. he got "permabanned" but actually had dirt on the admins so they had to unban him. so is that all u need to do nowadays? to expose the inner workings of the admin aristocracy to the general public and then you are no longer banned?

P.S. nice knowing you all and gf admins who deactivate my account for speaking out against you.

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Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Butan on June 10, 2013, 08:10:16 pm
I share your opinion StonedSteel, and I feel your pain.

I dont really care who's lying or not, the fact is we create punishment that kills the game further, by removing players for rules (that we all agreed on, I concede) that forbids entertaining one-self by doing stupid things, which sacrifices (in reaction) fun time from the players on the receiving end. Sounds logic heh?

But we all felt that urge and had some fun doing it on teammates, we also all wanted that guy to get banned for doing it on ourselves. I just wish we reacted less harsly and used more pedagogy (warnings... last time I saw one ? 1 year ago ?) and less harsh punishment (kicks... I think I never saw one in the last months :lol:) and give the players a chance to behave accordingly.


Atm the "ban section" looks like a clever tool to remove the last 1000's active players from cRPG forever (or because admins arent active enough to be ingame, they ban from a distance).



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Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: sF_Guardian on June 10, 2013, 08:11:41 pm
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Do you hunt Aliens or Illumiati in your spare time?
This Mod is an ftp, provided by some generous Dev's after all. They can handle admin things and rules how they want.
Noone forces you to play this game, go ahead and play a different one if you're not happy here.

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Quote from: Butan on June 10, 2013, 08:10:16 pm
I share your opinion StonedSteel, and I feel your pain.

I dont really care who's lying or not, the fact is we create punishment that kills the game further, by removing players for rules (that we all agreed on, I concede) that forbids entertaining one-self by doing stupid things, which sacrifices (in reaction) fun time from the players on the receiving end. Sounds logic heh?

But we all felt that urge and had some fun doing it on teammates, we also all wanted that guy to get banned for doing it on ourselves. I just wish we reacted less harsly and used more pedagogy (warnings... last time I saw one ? 1 year ago ?) and less harsh punishment (kicks... I think I never saw one in the last months :lol:) and give the players a chance to behave.


Atm the "ban section" looks like a clever tool to remove the last 1000's active players from cRPG forever.



Sorry for dumping this post where it shouldnt be, according to rules, I deserve a punishment, but this is what I wanted to do  :wink:

12 bans seem like an appropriate warning, don't they?
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: MrShine on June 10, 2013, 08:29:27 pm
lol, using Allers as an example of a "protected player" is a hilariously bad example, since he's been permabanned before and bought a new cd-key to keep playing.  Which, incidentally, TheProjectNemesis can do if he wants to keep playing, just be aware that it doesn't give him a clean slate, so future bans could still be dealt with quite harshly if he decides to continue to break the rules.

Also I don't know about other admins, but I generally could care less if a player is "harassing" me in game in chat unless they are starting to aggravate other players or are REALLY going nuts.  Unless they are actively breaking other rules or harassing other players they can talk shit to me as much as they desire.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Panos on June 10, 2013, 08:35:52 pm
And yet one more thread, in which all the , holier than thou players of c-rpg, came to bash a banned player.

Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Micah on June 10, 2013, 08:41:19 pm
Quote from: Panos on June 10, 2013, 08:35:52 pm
And yet one more thread, in which all the , holier than thou players of c-rpg, came to bash a banned player.
dw mate , we all know that your attitude is the holiest :wink:
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Panos on June 10, 2013, 08:47:55 pm
No micah, thats you and your hippie shit posts.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Micah on June 10, 2013, 08:52:55 pm
Quote from: Panos on June 10, 2013, 08:47:55 pm
No micah, thats you and your hippie shit posts.
got me  :oops:
but youre pretty good catching up   :lol:
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Jona on June 10, 2013, 08:54:03 pm
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Do you hunt Aliens or Illumiati in your spare time?

lol what?

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This Mod is an ftp, provided by some generous Dev's after all. They can handle admin things and rules how they want.

and sure, this mod is made for free (can you think of any paid mods though?) by the dev's. making this game was their hobby, and also a good learning experience for them so they can go on to make their new game and hopefully have a huge success.

but you forget, they aren't the ones policing us. they gave this game to the community essentially, and rewarded all the "outstanding, righteous, role model players, etc. etc." with admin positions. then from their as time went on these admins recruited new admins, who recruited new admins and so forth. or in other words, become friends with an admin, and get free favors. so yeah, we aren't being told what to do by the devs and haven't been for a long time. did this guy get banned by a dev? no. in short, yeah the devs are nice guys for giving us a great mod. and no, no one is forcing any of us to play it. its free to play. which only enhances the fact that this should be a laid back experience. if u pay premium ($60, usually, or whatever the local exchange rates might be for you folks across the pond) for a brand new game from a well known developer or publisher, u expect to be buying into a "serious" or "structured" game with rules that are enforced. i.e. games used to always have punkbuster to ensure there were no hackers. and you paid for that service. here, this is all done by nice volunteers. potentially corrupt, but still, volunteers. they arent getting paid and we arent paying them. now, to get back on topic, nothing sets them apart from us, other than they have been privileged by knowing another admin and therefore acquiring adminship. anyways, this is a very community-centric game. and forever-banning people from this game just detracts from this community.

is he a trolling scum? maybe, to some. but he is still part of crpg. heck, if this mod had 0 trolling, and u get permabanned for braking any rule more than once, then this mod would be long, long dead. and not to mention just straight up boring. i for one like some trolling every now and again. as before stated by a couple, the best times are when u see guys dueling their teammates/friends, or just jerking around. not everyone is here for a constant x5 multi in siege or battle. its a GAME. and in case you are not aware, according to the dictionary,game is defined as: "activity engaged in for diversion or amusement."

so yeah... games are played for fun. for a diversion from everyday, mundane life. a community-driven game should not be a pick and choose kind of environment. what type of people make something fun, and dont let others be a part of it based off of past actions and otherwise just extreme prejudice?

should punishments exist? yes. should they be nearly as harsh as they are? hell no.

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Noone forces you to play this game, go ahead and play a different one if you're not happy here.

i am quite happy here, thanks for asking. but that happiness is slowly drifting away as i see friends and acquaintances alike being pushed further and further away due to poor administrative decisions. people have just gotten fed up with being banned often and GTX, while others, like the case here, get banned for the dumbest of reasons so the one time the mess up "majorly" they get no 2nd chance. and the reason why i still bother playing such a frustratingly unbalanced and broken and dying mod is just to hang with all the community members that ive called friends over my time here. and yet people insist on taking those people away, slowly ensuring the death of this mod. and i am quite glad no one forces me to play, otherwise i would be quite miserable wasting my life playing this all day long. but at least i will never be as miserable as u appear now; caring so much about some imaginary money or experience in a game that is really only sucking up precious hours of your (real) life.  i mean come on. this is a game. its not like he robbed you, or made something u paid for give you a bad experience. as u said. FREE TO PLAY. you have lost NOTHING by this guy teamkilling you.

i hate to generalize, or be prejudiced in any way, as there are evidently plenty of cool guys who play in EU (like butan, for instance), but really... so far it seems almost all of you guys are just butthurt that you might have lost a multi in that siege round and therefore want to ruin this one guy's crpg career, and all those who know him as more than a "useless trolling nerd," forever. if this be the case then fine, ban him from EU, he is not from there anyways. i see no way in which all this complaining should affect his return to NA. so far the only 2 NA guys (that i know of) to post here, besides the accused himself, have been pro-unban. what does that say to you?

we are laid back people who enjoy fun? or that we actually know him for more than the 15 seconds he went on a rampage? or we just dont give a flying fuck if people break the rules as long as its all in the name of good fun?

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lol, using Allers as an example of a "protected player" is a hilariously bad example, since he's been permabanned before and bought a new cd-key to keep playing.  Which, incidentally, TheProjectNemesis can do if he wants to keep playing, just be aware that it doesn't give him a clean slate, so future bans could still be dealt with quite harshly if he decides to continue to break the rules.

sorry, but what kind of messed up environment is this? "you can come back anytime you want, and we allow it! all you have to do is throw away some money!" you guys DO realize that doesnt change anyones attitude, or the way in which other players will perceive them, right? all u accomplish with this dumb rule is that you get someone to buy a game they already own twice, just to play a FREE mod again.  that jsut makes approximately 0 sense. and i would say allers is now quite a protected player now anyways. why? well, TheProjectNemesis got his first permaban for trash talking some guy. and here allers was threatening and trash talking an admin. and yeah, no punishment at all. and you say unprotected? hah.
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: MrShine on June 10, 2013, 08:58:51 pm
learn to have fun without ruining other people's fun.  If you can't do that you shouldn't be in the community.

sorry
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: sF_Guardian on June 10, 2013, 09:00:52 pm
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I'm not for banning people, just to clarify this.
Some players just should at least try and learn their lesson.
I enjoy both trolling and chat ramps that some people pull off from time to time.
But there are better ways to ask for an unban if you did something wrong than blaming the others.

Also I agree on some admins being too harsh but from the other side their time is limited and they might not want to deal with every offender tens of times ;-)
Didn't mean to offend you, carry on ;-)
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: Jona on June 10, 2013, 09:06:25 pm
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learn to have fun without ruining other people's fun.  If you can't do that you shouldn't be in the community.

huh. so you are saying no admin should be allowed in this community then? well then.. BAN THEM ALL!


you do realize that you are ruining TheProjectNemesis' fun, my fun, StonedSteel's, and more people's fun by letting this guy go, right?

you think that the people you guys ban aren't having fun, and that you aren't ruining their fun? sorry, but the world isnt perfect. should he have done what he did in the eu siege? no. but he was having fun. should u (not YOU in particular, just YOU as in all you admins) ban him forever? no. he was having fun. and you ruined his fun. clearly you don't belong in this community.

*sigh*
Title: Re: Don't jump too fast on a decision
Post by: cmp on June 10, 2013, 09:24:47 pm
I have to close this thread because the amount of stupid has exceeded the monthly threshold.