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Title: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 10:38:14 am
I don`t like chocolate chip cookies, but I don`t like communists aswell.

For the last couple of weeks,  Bersekardin :  http://forum.meleegaming.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2656

has been rolling around with a quote of a cuban song, that Che Guemy old frienda , used when he left Cuba to go to Kongo to aid their revolution.

I find it offensive because.

1. Communism/communists are responsible for at least 500.000 Greeks, in times of peace.

2. Che Guemy old frienda was a mass murderer and a racists, when he overthrow Batista, he had hundreds of Cuban government officials executed, without a trial.

3. Because I strongly believe politics should stay out of a forum game, makes me wonder what would have happened if I had as an avatar a celtic cross??


"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall! (El Paredón)" --Ernesto 'Che' Guevara


“We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.” -Che Guevera

“The nig... is indolent and lazy, and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent.”- Che Guevara

I quote Jorge Castaneda's Companero :

"It was he [Che] who set up Cuba's first "labour camp" in those months, in Guanahacabibes. He spent a few days there, establishing one on the most heinous precedents of the Cuban revolution: the confinement of dissidents, homosexuals and later, AIDS victims."


http://blog.nj.com/njv_guest_blog/2012/06/the_real_che_was_no_hero.html

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

http://ivorcasey.blogspot.gr/2011/09/che-guevara-anti-gay-icon.html

This is not a troll thread, can the mods please take some action??
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Vibe on June 06, 2013, 10:42:52 am
komunism good kamerad))
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 10:56:25 am
komunism good kamerad))

yeah sure, look at China and North Korea, god I feel so jelly of them..
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: IR_Kuoin on June 06, 2013, 11:02:19 am
Maybe he felt inspired by the quote or thought it was interesting, doesn't mean he wanted to offend anyone or show his politic standpoint.

Also, seeing this is his current signature
Quote
Death is certain
Life is not

Is this the song quote?
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 11:04:14 am
Maybe he felt inspired by the quote or thought it was interesting, doesn't mean he wanted to offend anyone or show his politic standpoint.

Also, seeing this is his current signature
Is this the song quote?

so if someone is inspired by "Sieg Heil" should he put it as an avatar??

Why not keep politics out of c-rpg..
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Vibe on June 06, 2013, 11:06:54 am
yeah sure, look at China and North Korea, god I feel so jelly of them..

You mistake horrible people that lead these countries with a political belief that isn't half bad.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: IR_Kuoin on June 06, 2013, 11:09:02 am
so if someone is inspired by "Sieg Heil" should he put it as an avatar??

Why not keep politics out of c-rpg..

Well, if a person really have that strong thoughts about the chocolate chip cookies then putting it as his avatar would show everyone else what he believes in, but non the less we would all look down on him and the mods would probably remove it. But I think avatars or pictures in your signature from a mass murderer / dictator is disrespectful.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 11:11:34 am
You mistake horrible people that lead these countries with a political belief that isn't half bad.


Still, I speak with facts and not with assumptions.



Well, if a person really have that strong thoughts about the chocolate chip cookies then putting it as his avatar would show everyone else what he believes in, but non the less we would all look down on him and the mods would probably remove it. But I think avatars or pictures in your signature from a mass murderer / dictator is disrespectful.


Che was both.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on June 06, 2013, 11:54:45 am
yeah sure, look at China and North Korea, god I feel so jelly of them..
Greek would be even worse without our monies...
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Kafein on June 06, 2013, 12:11:12 pm
You mistake horrible people that lead these countries with a political belief that isn't half bad.

No political belief is bad when you only look at the intent.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Molly on June 06, 2013, 12:21:48 pm
Greek would be even worse without our monies...
...which has nothing to do with anything.

Wanna try to make "a" point again?
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 12:22:27 pm
...which has nothing to do with anything.

Wanna try to make "a" point again?

he just wrote that to troll me.

A fail try tbh.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: BASNAK on June 06, 2013, 12:28:56 pm
“We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.” -Che Guevera

Lol this made me laugh. Did he really say that? I thought Communism was against classing people after races.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Vibe on June 06, 2013, 12:34:36 pm
Let's talk about how absolutely ridiculous this whole thread is instead, being offended by a quote of a song on a guys forum profile that was played when a 50 years dead person left Cuba.

I don't think you can get more sensitive on the internet than that.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: IR_Kuoin on June 06, 2013, 12:36:07 pm
Let's talk about how absolutely ridiculous this whole thread is instead, being offended by a quote of a song on a guys forum profile that was played when a 50 years dead person left Cuba.

I don't think you can get more sensitive on the internet than that.

Guess the economic crises leads to this sort of thing :P
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 12:40:15 pm
Lol this made me laugh. Did he really say that? I thought Communism was against classing people after races.

he said it when he failed to help them revolt in Africa.

a google research will help you understand what a piece of shit che was .



Let's talk about how absolutely ridiculous this whole thread is instead, being offended by a quote of a song on a guys forum profile that was played when a 50 years dead person left Cuba.

I don't think you can get more sensitive on the internet than that.


Vibe, you know that I don`t mind trolling or jokes against Greece, but communism in general braught many bad things in Greece, along with a civil war after the WW2 ended, did you know that the civil war that the commies started in Greece, took double the lives of Greeks than the WW2 combined with starvation at that time??

My grandfather got injured by a grenade commies threw at him, he was 15 years old, not a soldier not nothing, 20 years later, he died from lung cancer because some fragments of the grenade couldnt be removed from his lungs..

So, yes I`m really touchy about communists.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Leshma on June 06, 2013, 12:46:48 pm
yeah sure, look at China and North Korea, god I feel so jelly of them..

I'm envious of Chinese people who live in cities.

About Guevara, I've read somewhere that particular line was taken out of context but he said something like that. Also, he said that first time he encountered black people in Miami when he was a hotheaded 24 year old, very similar to you Panos.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Teeth on June 06, 2013, 12:49:45 pm
You mistake horrible people that lead these countries with a political belief that isn't half bad.
Communism is a great idea, if it weren't for it's complete incompatibility with human nature. Communism will always fuck up in practice which makes it a pretty bad political belief.

That said, feeling offended by 'Death is certain, life is not', which is a quote, in itself unrelated to communism, from a song that was used by someone who was arguably bad and affiliated with an arguably bad ideology, is pretty messed up.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Vibe on June 06, 2013, 12:52:36 pm
Communism is a great idea, if it weren't for it's complete incompatibility with human nature. Communism will always fuck up in practice which makes it a pretty bad political belief.

unfortunately true

That said, feeling offended by 'Death is certain, life is not', which is a quote, in itself unrelated to communism, from a song that was used by someone who was arguably bad and affiliated with an arguably bad ideology, is pretty messed up.

I call it attention seeking
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 01:05:27 pm
I call it attention seeking

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I was talking about his AVATAR.

And yes, as people feel offended when someone posts something relative to YMCA or einstein, I feel the same to that.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Micah on June 06, 2013, 01:08:08 pm
if you support Language Controle , i will support this  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Angantyr on June 06, 2013, 01:21:46 pm
Communism is a great idea, if it weren't for it's complete incompatibility with human nature. Communism will always fuck up in practice which makes it a pretty bad political belief.
There is in International Politics a school called 'realism' that argues that all wide-sweeping ideologies, all great 'dreams' of man of utopian or near-utopian societies (be it far left or right), the only right way, of course are just that, dreams, and that the historical record shows us that these are not only unachievable they are in fact the most dangerous for society. Rationality and a realistic approach to what is actually within our limits, usually through means of compromise has hitherto proved to be the most fruitful, the political realist would argue.


I'm envious of Chinese people who live in cities.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/kay-kay-girl-guangzhou/

I must really recommend this excellent documentary to anyone with an interest in China or the World at large. It follows a Chinese family starting in the 90s, the young daughter Kay Kay's upbringing a symbol on the enormous changes chinese society is currently undergoing. The host family couldn't have been better chosen, as they in 20 years or so go from early industrial-age living standards in a near-feudal society to a modern, capitalist upper middle-class in the world's fastest growing economy. Features a rare perspective on modern China.

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Kay Kay is the face of modern day China, a bright, educated and ambitious 20 year old living in the booming southern city of Guangzhou. She represents a new generation of middle class Chinese ‘only’ children, benefiting from China’s economic growth as well as the single-minded dedication of her factory-worker parents.
This unique film has followed her for her whole life, filming her and her family every year since her birth in 1992.
It gives a rare, personal narrative to the decades of transformation that China has undergone. From her childhood and school days through to her university life where she struggles to get to grips with China’s economic imperatives in the face of environmental issues.
Kay Kay is a charming, engaging guide to modern China, its people and the country’s recent economic boom.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Kafein on June 06, 2013, 01:31:57 pm
My grandfather got injured by a grenade commies threw at him, he was 15 years old, not a soldier not nothing, 20 years later, he died from lung cancer because some fragments of the grenade couldnt be removed from his lungs..

So, yes I`m really touchy about communists.

Think this through before you post, if you believe that makes it any less ridiculous.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 01:33:19 pm
Think this through before you post, if you believe that makes it any less ridiculous.

I don`t care if it makes it any or more ridiculous in your eyes to be honest.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on June 06, 2013, 01:45:09 pm

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Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on June 06, 2013, 02:06:39 pm
Want to see some proper communism ( socialism )? Come to Scandinavia! That is how that shit had to be implemented in the first place!
 
Imo it is about people, way more, than it is about some piece-of-shit paper laws. I pay 39% tax here, and i don't mind! Not at all! Since I know it will cover education, free medical care, concerts, all sorts of youth programs etc. In Russia, where i was born, i would not pay even 5% tax, since all will be stolen or lost by greedy unprofessional fat fucks.
No matter what form of government you make "on paper" in some countries, it will be the same shithole! Just by calling something a democracy, does not change ANYONE inside that country, these are the same people today, as they were yesterday. And if you do a revolution, and kill every "bad guy", even worse ones emerge inevitably. That is how i see it. So i like the socialistic ideas of communism, and willing to work towards them, as long as it is being done by the right people.
 
Same goes for "communists killed so many people" talk... These people would kill in the name of anything - religion, politics, bad weather, entertainment. There was no communism few hundred years ago, and it did not stop anyone from killing, torturing, raping countless humans. Just as democracy did not stop anyone from carpet-bombing civilians in 20th century.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: IR_Kuoin on June 06, 2013, 02:36:52 pm
Scandinavia, fuck yeah!
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Angantyr on June 06, 2013, 03:01:13 pm
The form is not real socialism, of course. Historically it is loosely based on Bismarck's old idea of pronounced social security as an anti-revolutionary measure ('national-liberals' in the early Scandinavian democracies were basically a landowning conservative class much like the Prussian Junkers with whom the idea originated) coupled with nation-wide sympathy for your 'countrymen' post WWII German occupation of Denmark and Norway, combined with the economic boom of the 60s and relatively small, very homogenous populations where people are generally trustful of each other and (even) the state.

The Danish, Norwegian and Swedish Social-Democrats who invented the modern 'Scandinavian Well-fare Model' drew on both socialism and liberalism (which makes geo-political sense considering it was conceived during the Cold War). A big state and the highest taxes in the world aside, the economic system is entirely as capitalistic as the rest of the 'globalised' world.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: darmaster on June 06, 2013, 03:12:45 pm
There is in International Politics a school called 'realism' that argues that all wide-sweeping ideologies, all great 'dreams' of man of utopian or near-utopian societies (be it far left or right), the only right way, of course are just that, dreams, and that the historical record shows us that these are not only unachievable they are in fact the most dangerous for society. Rationality and a realistic approach to what is actually within our limits, usually through means of compromise has hitherto proved to be the most fruitful, the political realist would argue.


:/ hmm this way of thinking wouldn't have brought many good things, like french revolution and women rights (don't know how good it is lol joking). i'm hoping in the future thinking of equality will be "normal" and won't be an utopia as it is now, as it has been for universal suffrage and slavery and so on.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Kafein on June 06, 2013, 03:28:46 pm
I don`t care if it makes it any or more ridiculous in your eyes to be honest.

It's not about me. As an adult you are expected to be above generalising a whole group of people based on what a few of them did bad. That is, considering them as individuals.

:/ hmm this way of thinking wouldn't have brought many good things, like french revolution and women rights (don't know how good it is lol joking). i'm hoping in the future thinking of equality will be "normal" and won't be an utopia as it is now, as it has been for universal suffrage and slavery and so on.

Some things go in the same direction as history and other things don't. It's not a wonder there is no more opposition on political arguments of the past.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on June 06, 2013, 03:33:59 pm
 :) Yes, technological advancement renders them meaningless.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Teeth on June 06, 2013, 03:40:01 pm
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Well, fair enough, but the revering of Che Guevara as some kind of hero is pretty damn widespread, deep rooted and accepted, at least in my country. Dozens of people walk around in Che t-shirts and shit. Would be strange to forbid such things here. I personally cannot deny he was an inspiring and impressive figure, but his cold blooded killing puts a big damper on that. Your personal conviction of Che Guevara as some scourge to humanity like Hitler does not really fit with the view of the majority so I think you're gonna have to suck it up and chill out.

There is in International Politics a school called 'realism' that argues that all wide-sweeping ideologies, all great 'dreams' of man of utopian or near-utopian societies (be it far left or right), the only right way, of course are just that, dreams, and that the historical record shows us that these are not only unachievable they are in fact the most dangerous for society. Rationality and a realistic approach to what is actually within our limits, usually through means of compromise has hitherto proved to be the most fruitful, the political realist would argue.
A fellow international politics student? Realism is however a bit of a dead end school in my opinion. Historical record actually does show improvement in the state of humanity, or progress towards a utopian society if you will, which if it was for realism, would have never taken place. Dreams, ideals and wide-sweepings attempts at change have brought a lot of good, not only bad.

The Scandinavian state is in my opinion a beautiful balance between equality and liberty, if you ask me the best society we have seen in history from an ethical and moral point of view. If we had all been realists we'd probably still be ruled by Machiavelli's prince.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Kafein on June 06, 2013, 03:41:51 pm
:) Yes, technological advancement renders them meaningless.

Not always, except if you include advances in social sciences, which are very difficult to measure.

Also I don't think realism is synonimous of immobilism or conservatism.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Angantyr on June 06, 2013, 03:44:36 pm
@Darmaster,
Of course a political realist wouldn't be against for example human- and civil rights etc; it's used to look at world matters through many different glasses and then finding the best, plausible solution across the board, fact-finding in Realpolitik instead of ideological rhetoric.

And it is mostly used in international affairs, for example when mediating between two conflicting nations. War is accepted as necessary but it should still be limited. So is self-interest.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on June 06, 2013, 03:53:02 pm
So you arrived there then. Self interest can be completely removed.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Kafein on June 06, 2013, 03:53:48 pm
Henry stop being on topic you are becoming boring
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 03:54:18 pm
The Scandinavian state is in my opinion a beautiful balance between equality and liberty, if you ask me the best society we have seen in history from an ethical and moral point of view. If we had all been realists we'd probably still be ruled by Machiavelli's prince.



cool story indeed.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on June 06, 2013, 04:02:54 pm
Age limits...rite of passage...problem solved...
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Teeth on June 06, 2013, 04:10:00 pm
Also I don't think realism is synonimous of immobilism or conservatism.
I was drawing realism way outside it's field, continuing on Angantyr's post, but the inherent focus on self interest, disregard of moral considerations and aversion to ideologies would not lead to as much improvements for the state of humanity, if applied to individual decision making. With in my opinion an improvement to the state of humanity being providing a higher quality life.

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Anecdotal evidence, the happiness of people in Sweden is incredibly high, therefore a good society.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on June 06, 2013, 04:14:41 pm
Christ, now you've got to revisit development of compassion. I showed you the fucking solution.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Angantyr on June 06, 2013, 04:19:45 pm
@Teeth,

It's just a hobby.

I don't personally disagree with either your or Darmaster's arguments (and I don't think/hope many political realists do either), a bit of dreaming isn't bad on the premise you are also at times fully conscious.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Lannistark on June 06, 2013, 04:29:27 pm
I don`t like chocolate chip cookies

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Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 04:30:03 pm
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just tell him to remove his avatar
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on June 06, 2013, 04:33:50 pm
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Oberyn on June 06, 2013, 06:33:20 pm
The avatar is from an amazing game called Grim Fandango, and the character it depicts is a parody of Che Guevara. You total fucking moron.
I'm not even going to get into how fucking disgusting, oppressive, racist and dictatorial pre-communist Cuba was. It was basically a vacation island for american mobsters. Che Guevara was a warrior, as violent and fucked up as any other warrior throughout history. You don't seem to like him much because you're an extremist right wing nutbag. Do you even know who Fulgencio Batista was, what his policies were, what he did? Did you think Cuba was some sort of idellic wonderland of peace and harmony before the communists? Do you know ANYTHING at all about Cuba? I find it particularly ironic, since one of the biggest beefs of your insane rightwing parties in Greece is that your leaders are selling out your nation to foreigners. Gee, I wonder how that lines up with Batista. Fucking idiot. I notice you don't mention who the poor, "innocent" people he ruthlessly executed were. May as well call the result of the Nuremberg "trials" ruthless executions.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 06:48:40 pm
The avatar is from an amazing game called Grim Fandango, and the character it depicts is a parody of Che Guevara. You total fucking moron.
I'm not even going to get into how fucking disgusting, oppressive, racist and dictatorial pre-communist Cuba was. It was basically a vacation island for american mobsters. Che Guevara was a warrior, as violent and fucked up as any other warrior throughout history. You don't seem to like him much because you're an extremist right wing nutbag. Do you even know who Fulgencio Batista was, what his policies were, what he did? Did you think Cuba was some sort of idellic wonderland of peace and harmony before the communists? Do you know ANYTHING at all about Cuba? I find it particularly ironic, since one of the biggest beefs of your insane rightwing parties in Greece is that your leaders are selling out your nation to foreigners. Gee, I wonder how that lines up with Batista. Fucking idiot. I notice you don't mention who the poor, "innocent" people he ruthlessly executed were. May as well call the result of the Nuremberg "trials" ruthless executions.


Oh, thank you for telling me that the avatar is from a game, gee Oberyn, I should start eating froglegs aswell to be smart like you.

Now that you told me that at this forum people are allowed to have avatars of mass murderers, racists and dictators, gonna change mine to einstein, or Mussolini, or Franko.

But please, tell me more, you are funny when you rage, I guess I found out another Che fanboy.

Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Kafein on June 06, 2013, 06:56:41 pm
The avatar is from an amazing game called Grim Fandango, and the character it depicts is a parody of Che Guevara. You total fucking moron.
I'm not even going to get into how fucking disgusting, oppressive, racist and dictatorial pre-communist Cuba was. It was basically a vacation island for american mobsters. Che Guevara was a warrior, as violent and fucked up as any other warrior throughout history. You don't seem to like him much because you're an extremist right wing nutbag. Do you even know who Fulgencio Batista was, what his policies were, what he did? Did you think Cuba was some sort of idellic wonderland of peace and harmony before the communists? Do you know ANYTHING at all about Cuba? I find it particularly ironic, since one of the biggest beefs of your insane rightwing parties in Greece is that your leaders are selling out your nation to foreigners. Gee, I wonder how that lines up with Batista. Fucking idiot. I notice you don't mention who the poor, "innocent" people he ruthlessly executed were. May as well call the result of the Nuremberg "trials" ruthless executions.

That still doesn't make the Che a nice guy.

I was drawing realism way outside it's field, continuing on Angantyr's post, but the inherent focus on self interest, disregard of moral considerations and aversion to ideologies would not lead to as much improvements for the state of humanity, if applied to individual decision making. With in my opinion an improvement to the state of humanity being providing a higher quality life.

Aversion of ideology doesn't mean individuals can't help each other, in fact we do it all the time without personal interest, except our own happiness of being kind / having good conscience. Even if you strive to be the absolute egoistic douche, you will do altruistic things because you get biological rewards out of them. The problem with ideologies (and also any sufficiently strict philosophical theory) is that applying them blindly leads to catastrophies because they are by definition simple, which means they cannot bring the correct answers to all complex problems of reality, and they are subject to interpretation. Note that the existence of an optimizing decision rule without those two problems is impossible.

The best society is the one that works based on reality and what humans do, using their qualities but also using their vices (ex. capitalism uses greed to bring services and things to others). The worst society tries to change humans, or neglect their actual behavior in the name of an utopia.
Title: Re: Let`s talk about reverse political prejudism.
Post by: Oberyn on June 06, 2013, 07:00:23 pm
I'm possibly more anti-communist than you are, but it's mostly from a general anti-authoritarian perspective. Castro and the communist revolution in Cuba did not happen in a vacuum. The war that had summary executions and entire villages of campesinos wiped out was not a one-sided affair. You may want to start thinking why the people rebelling so easily reached that point. Maybe it's because it had already been happening to them for more than a decade. I respect Guevara as a warrior, yes. There's a reason he became such a central figure of the revolution, despite being no more than some random foreigner with no fighting experience when Castro landed with a few dozen men. Fanboy though? Nah, like I said, he was a warrior, and warriors are never clean. He was stained with the blood of his many victims, some of which probably did not deserve it. Many more did though. The "government officials" he executed weren't exactly angels themselves. Again, read up on Batista's regime.
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Post by: Panos on June 06, 2013, 07:03:12 pm
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Post by: Oberyn on June 06, 2013, 07:08:17 pm
If there's anything more ridiculous than the attempted saintification of Guevara by left-wing fanatics, it's the reactionary smear campaign against him by right-wing fanatics. You guys deserve each other.
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Post by: Tibe on June 06, 2013, 07:12:11 pm
So he is praising communism, big deal. His loss in general. In communism only powerfigures get to drink expensive wine and eat themselves fat. Everybody else gets to eat shit.
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Post by: Kafein on June 06, 2013, 07:17:27 pm
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