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Title: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 02, 2013, 02:59:42 pm
Dear megalomaniacal nerds Strategus players,


As you all well know, the rule of having >= 1/3 troops to be able to attack a player, or a fief, is having grave repercussion (verily!) in the end game of this strategus round, seeing how we have been able to grind enough troops to "forbid" attacking fiefs we deliberately (or not) put amazing amount of tickets in.

The situation can be summed up in one image :

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Detailed situation:
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This is what is killing EU strategus at the moment, and has been the cases for many months, and almost all factions have used this cheap game mechanism to win a defensive war.
We can blame developers for not bending that rule to allow more fun, and defensive factions for creating that situation in the first place, but we, the people, can change this, if we cooperate between attacking and defending factions...
Something that I never seen or heard of, before I yesterday attack on Grunwalder Castle, held by the Apostates, which was deliberately decreased in army size to allow the Grey Order to attack.


With renewed hope in mankind, in the hope that this will become the norm in the future, I hereby create the Battles Conclave for strategus :

* only 1 rule :

- Each faction that applies to this Conclave, has the moral duty to decrease its troops size in a about to be attacked fief, as long as the attacking army has a party size of 1500 men awaiting at the door of your fief, to a garrison size of 4500 men for the time of the agreed upon attack (then the lord put all remaining troops back in the fief in the reinforcement timeframe, at no to little cost to themselves).

(you could use this topic to give screenshots of your army, and call out the faction owner of the fief if he's a member of this group)
(time and conditions of such a "rendez-vous" has to be worked between faction leaders, fief owners and generals)



* only 1 reason to do so :

- To do battles !!!





If you are a leader of a strategus faction, and can speak for it, just pledge to follow that simple rule each time you can, you and all your faction, and sign after you post;

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I hope I can WILL HAVE the support of all the big knightly strategus factions.




Battles Conclave members list :

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Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 02, 2013, 03:00:43 pm
This is signed,

I can only approve of this superb idea of circumventing the 1/3 rule, you really have a brilliant mind!


I will order my faction fief's owner to decrease its army size each time someone wants to besiege it with at least 1500 men;
I pledge the honor of my faction along with this;



Butan, Rice Eaters dictator,
Owner of Vyincourd Castle and Ergellon Castle

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Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 02, 2013, 03:19:25 pm
This is signed,

I can only approve of this superb idea of circumventing the 1/3 rule, you really have a brilliant mind!


I will order my faction fief's owner to decrease its army size each time someone wants to besiege it with at least 1500 men;
I pledge the honor of my faction along with this;



Butan Zlisch, Rice Eaters WBPs dictator regent,
Owner of Vyincourd Castle and Ergellon Castle Serindiar.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Haboe on June 02, 2013, 03:52:25 pm
I think we made that deal with grey order a few days ago. We have over 10k troops in grunwalder, but we take them out at the evenings so GO can attack with 2k troops. Hetman promised us the same for when we attack their towns ^^

Would be nice if the desert could make a deal like this  :P
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 02, 2013, 03:56:27 pm
I think we made that deal with grey order a few days ago. We have over 10k troops in grunwalder, but we take them out at the evenings so GO can attack with 2k troops. Hetman promised us the same for when we attack their towns ^^

Would be nice if the desert could make a deal like this  :P

That is very good, but 2000 is way too high (particularly in castles's siege, even more in maps like grunwalder!)
You and all those behind this deal inspired me to create this, I think the conditions are fair and easily applicable!!!


Haboe, I trust you to convey my idea to Apostates leaders so the next time you post a message in this topic, it will be to officially pledge membership to this newly created Conclave.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Knitler on June 02, 2013, 04:46:22 pm
That is very good, but 2000 is way too high (particularly in castles's siege, even more in maps like grunwalder!)
You and all those behind this deal inspired me to create this, I think the conditions are fair and easily applicable!!!


Haboe, I trust you to convey my idea to Apostates leaders so the next time you post a message in this topic, it will be to officially pledge membership to this newly created Conclave.

Thats me :-D
And ofc Tyr, Hetman and Jacu also were in TS for that :)
And the castle owner itchy :D

Well ... in the first thought i declared that "conclave" for an dump idea, cause ppl have to speak with each other on TeamSpeak, and not in an thread or organisation ..... nothing against you butan... i dont even know myselve .... It was just an idea for an nice weekend battle. That was my only thought by atleast trying it out ^^
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Jacu on June 02, 2013, 04:46:50 pm
i think this rule is not to bad, but it should not be active when defenders have more than 6000/6500 troops, Unimportant it is battle or siege
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Knitler on June 02, 2013, 04:48:57 pm
Another idea would be it, when the castle owner got the same amout of upkeep for troops (when he is in his own castle ofc) as the stationed garrison .... but for that we also need the Devs .... but its an better idea than taking the 1/3 rule totally out ... ^^
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 02, 2013, 05:12:02 pm
Well ... in the first thought i declared that "conclave" for an dump idea, cause ppl have to speak with each other on TeamSpeak, and not in an thread or organisation .....

I trust the strategus network to work itself out, hence just having TS/steam/website PM of other guys should be enough to manage this. This topic may help in that but its mainly to show support and membership. (I will add a map soon)

I'm not going to do any administration myself, people have to take responsability and assume the pledge they will owe to each Conclave members (thats just a symbolic name, no RP and only 1 rule).


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i think this rule is not to bad, but it should not be active when defenders have more than 6000/6500 troops, Unimportant it is battle or siege
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Another idea would be it, when the castle owner got the same amout of upkeep for troops (when he is in his own castle ofc) as the stationed garrison .... but for that we also need the Devs .... but its an better idea than taking the 1/3 rule totally out ... ^^


For the sake of simplicity, dont try to find "alternatives" to my idea; this isnt a debate, it is a PROPOSITION.

Everyone and their mothers agrees, in the confines of their 15 000 garisonned fief, that we should be able to ATTACK ANYTHING WE WANT TO IF WE HAVE AT LEAST 1500 MEN (hence having to decrease the fief army size to the precise number of 4500 (1500x3=))

Now its time to man up and do it; this topic is just a manipulative good way to show everyone what you are made of and create a world where people can go back to hacking each others to piece with a smile on their face (see my avatar for an example of a happy man).
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Haboe on June 02, 2013, 05:47:30 pm
That is very good, but 2000 is way too high (particularly in castles's siege, even more in maps like grunwalder!)
You and all those behind this deal inspired me to create this, I think the conditions are fair and easily applicable!!!


Haboe, I trust you to convey my idea to Apostates leaders so the next time you post a message in this topic, it will be to officially pledge membership to this newly created Conclave.

I won't, diplomacy like this is generally just agreed on by 2 party's. No need to do anything like this on the forum, cause it will only result in the old "kinngrimm-bitching". The "you signed a contract, now do it immediately or im gonna flame on the forums again. We have this arrangement with greys, its working as planned, no need for a conclave like this by a third party.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 02, 2013, 05:59:24 pm
I won't, diplomacy like this is generally just agreed on by 2 party's. No need to do anything like this on the forum, cause it will only result in the old "kinngrimm-bitching". The "you signed a contract, now do it immediately or im gonna flame on the forums again. We have this arrangement with greys, its working as planned, no need for a conclave like this by a third party.


There is no third-party, everyone's responsible for their own faction to accept or not. If you dont like it, dont sign. Thats like a peace treaty or any over forum diplomacy you can see everywhere else.

Talk to me on steam whenever you want to besiege my fiefs  :) (or Zlisch for WPB's !*)
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 02, 2013, 06:58:57 pm
Talk to me on steam whenever you want to besiege my fiefs  :) (or WPB's !)
Disclaimer: Talking to Butan will not lower the troop counts in WPB lands.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 02, 2013, 08:03:11 pm
Disclaimer: Talking to Butan will not lower the troop counts in WPB lands.

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Talk to me on steam whenever you want to besiege my fiefs  :) (or Zlisch for WPB's !*)


Corrected  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: bagge on June 02, 2013, 08:29:34 pm
When the day come that Shu Han get attacked, we will of course make a deal with the attackers.

More xp for the people
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 02, 2013, 08:42:02 pm
Wolves accepts this agreement and are honored to be amongst its members, and as long as the attacker has signed the same treaty we will stand by it.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 02, 2013, 10:06:17 pm
as long as the attacker has signed the same treaty we will stand by it.


I'll take it,


Thanks both Shu Han and Wolves.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Haboe on June 02, 2013, 10:10:40 pm
When the day come that Shu Han get attacked, we will of course make a deal with the attackers.

More xp for the people

Doesn't look like bagge agreed to the conclave, he is just saying he will make a deal with the attackers when the time comes. Or am i reading it wrong?
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 02, 2013, 10:46:43 pm
Well Haboe, whats ur thoughts on this? Or will u wait until everyone else agrees before u decide to or not?
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Haboe on June 02, 2013, 10:58:25 pm
Well Haboe, whats ur thoughts on this? Or will u wait until everyone else agrees before u decide to or not?

...

How hard can it be to scroll back?

Already replied on this, read it if you care that much


Also, the deal that inspired butan to make this thread is one between grey order and apostates, due to the help of knitler.

Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 02, 2013, 11:36:10 pm
You need some sex Haboe, chill out
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Haboe on June 02, 2013, 11:37:44 pm
You need some sex Haboe, chill out

I'm not into gilf's, sorry.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 02, 2013, 11:39:44 pm
I'm not into gilf's, sorry.

They probably arent into u either  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: GRANDMOM on June 02, 2013, 11:40:23 pm
Sorry, totally uncalled for m8
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Knitler on June 03, 2013, 07:27:10 pm
Wolves accepts this agreement and are honored to be amongst its members, and as long as the attacker has signed the same treaty we will stand by it.

That cant be ment seriously ....
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: bagge on June 03, 2013, 08:59:28 pm
Doesn't look like bagge agreed to the conclave, he is just saying he will make a deal with the attackers when the time comes. Or am i reading it wrong?

Not at all, maybe I wasnt clear enough. I meant that whenever you guys decide to launch an attack at us, I will definitely agree too lower the garrison :)

Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 04, 2013, 03:40:29 am
Thanks for clearing that up


Now waiting for more applicants  :)
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Corsair831 on June 07, 2013, 12:23:46 pm
what is wrong with the devs that we have to resort to deals between ourselves to circumvent a game mechanic that would take a retard with a broomstick 7 minutes to fix?

I mean really ...
 

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Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Corsair831 on June 07, 2013, 12:25:49 pm
Doesn't look like bagge agreed to the conclave, he is just saying he will make a deal with the attackers when the time comes. Or am i reading it wrong?

we agree to it

So far looks like all the agree-er-er's are on one side of the alliance block :/
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Casimir on June 07, 2013, 02:20:50 pm
I'd like to see where this goes, how many factions get behind it and how likely they are to honour it.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 08, 2013, 05:44:45 pm
I'd like to see where this goes, how many factions get behind it and how likely they are to honour it.

Like Crusader Alliance ?  :)

You could do like Wolves and add "only between conclave members", which allows you more freedom;

I prefer that to noone trying to make strat like a real chessboard experience, and not the actual crazy mt doom fortresses everywhere  :P
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Casimir on June 08, 2013, 06:10:01 pm
I can't make any agreements because I'm still without a pc so can't really get in touch with people.  Just expressing my personal interest.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Jack1 on June 08, 2013, 08:55:09 pm
Or instead of complaining of not being able to attack a giant city with a huge garrison, attack where they don't have 83598457732688328 troops.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on June 08, 2013, 10:24:08 pm
Or instead of complaining of not being able to attack a giant city with a huge garrison, attack where they don't have 83598457732688328 troops.

Which is most of the time fiefs without any strategical value (villages) that has been emptied out on purpose to further increase strategical fiefs garrison (castles/cities).

And the more the "status quo" remains, the more we stack, the more we are able to put more fiefs in the 6K+ troops zone (I think almost half of EU castles and cities are like that).
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Bjarky on June 08, 2013, 11:43:24 pm
Interesting proposition, well when the 2 bigger factions (DRZ&Crusaders) in the EU desert have agreed to this, we shall do so as well.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Knitler on August 25, 2013, 10:44:48 am
omg, that devs have to fix that shit like right now for sieges ... its just unfair.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: bagge on August 25, 2013, 12:38:23 pm
omg, that devs have to fix that shit like right now for sieges ... its just unfair.

You don't fancy just another Cold War? :P
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on August 25, 2013, 01:18:31 pm
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1 000 000 garrisoned troops for 180 fiefs.

This is ALMOST 6 000 troops on average in each fief.



In one of my post, the 5 of july, we had 800 000 men garrisoned on the whole of EU (proof: http://forum.melee.org/strategus-general-discussion/archived-strat-battles-chart-view/msg818860/#msg818860).

In less than 2 months, we added 200 000 men in garrisoning.



When every fiefs in the known world will have over 6 000 troops, and no attacking armies worth its salt will risk losing troops to attrition, Strategus will have very few interesting/important sieges and conquering large area will be impossible.


This idea was great (ofc, its mine) but its based on good will, and god knows the military leaders are the worst kind of human being there is.


The only way out of this I can see is starvation of the world : lacks of ressource through lacks of PP and S&D.


But even prosperity is off the chart now,
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I can see the end of strategus being rather dull if noone chooses to move their fucking ass.



I also blame Europa Universalis 4 for taking up all the time of some Strat Leaders I know  :lol:
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Bjarky on August 25, 2013, 02:16:09 pm
Either implement a optimized 1/3 attack rule or just hit the reset button, most of us are tired anyway, could really use a brake of clean crpg where everyone can concentrate on having events wich are not  inhibited by strat :rolleyes:
Then Devs could also spend some time on and off in some time on optimizing some strat mechanics before restarting a clean slate, and those ppl who still actually want in, can jump in.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Keshian on August 25, 2013, 03:28:44 pm
Either implement a optimized 1/3 attack rule or just hit the reset button, most of us are tired anyway, could really use a brake of clean crpg where everyone can concentrate on having events wich are not  inhibited by strat :rolleyes:
Then Devs could also spend some time on and off in some time on optimizing some strat mechanics before restarting a clean slate, and those ppl who still actually want in, can jump in.

Yeah I kind of agree.  NA has strated becoming like eu now with most of the map carebearing or turtling or both.  Nothing original is being done, partially because there is a lot less originality, mostly just meat grinders when you have unlimited amounts of gold just trading with the 85% of the map that is part of the carebear alliance or you have a bunch of free trade cities/castles with over 2K prosperity and taxes.  The unlimited prosperity and the ease of doing massive trade runs has made every battle the same plate armored fiasco favoring whichever side has more strength builds, making skills in logistics and tactics far less important in determining outcomes of battles.  High end armors definitely need a more exponential increasing price structure -s ame with armored horses and highe end bows/arbalests.  This gear should be for a few troops in a huge battle - heavy knights, not for every single ticket from peasant to lord.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Knitler on September 12, 2013, 08:51:33 pm
There is soo much dump stuff going around in strat, Nighttime fails, agreements, backstabbing.

People complaining about the opposite factions but dont do anything to get along and do the same,

The 1/3 rule is fine in the open fields, wouldnt it be retarded when you have like 1200 trading and get attacked by 300 naked?

But on sieges or fief attacking it totally makes NO SENSE, the best idea would be it when they capture the minimal force to attack a fief should be around 500~ anyway, but no 33% rule.

How about that? I know there are some strat players out there which would attack a fief with 100men and lock it down :&
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: woody on September 13, 2013, 02:01:38 am
Or do what Wolves and greys have done to take some of the heavily garrisoned mercs castles - lose (waste) alot of troops to allow first 2-3 attacks.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Flans on September 13, 2013, 02:33:18 pm
There is soo much dump stuff going around in strat, Nighttime fails, agreements, backstabbing.

People complaining about the opposite factions but dont do anything to get along and do the same,

The 1/3 rule is fine in the open fields, wouldnt it be retarded when you have like 1200 trading and get attacked by 300 naked?

But on sieges or fief attacking it totally makes NO SENSE, the best idea would be it when they capture the minimal force to attack a fief should be around 500~ anyway, but no 33% rule.

How about that? I know there are some strat players out there which would attack a fief with 100men and lock it down :&


Like i have said before we "Wolves" are ready to lower all our garrisons down WHEN we are attacked, By another signed member of this agreement. The only ones in the game at the moment who are stopping 2mil xp each day are the Mercs. Yet they bitch and whine about "Lost XP."

I really can not believe I seen the mercs say " if the Grey order are reasonable they will give back the castle so we can all have "fun" in it " Yet they still are not lowering the other garrisons so we can all have fun. If they really believe Strat will be ending soon why not use their 60+k troops. (Same goes for COa) its not like it matters anyways tbh, Wolves will hit those castles as they are soon enough. Murcs will be wiped whether they bitch about it or not.
wood walls can be broken now! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

make Alburq 6k troops again! :)
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on September 13, 2013, 04:08:55 pm
wood walls can be broken now! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@


For real ?  :o
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Knitler on September 13, 2013, 05:34:51 pm

For real ?  :o

Kind of, yes.

@Odysseus, you dont have to tell me, i´m long enough in strat to know that it always has 2 Sides, and i´m in the third which says that all guys are some kind of retarded to get some speed progress in their wins, Just read the first post in that thread properly, it was Mercs and Grey lowering garrison together with me as middlesman, and after an anonymous guy who also leads in another faction said; Fuck that, reinforce whole grunwalder and never lower again.

But that happened after Yalen got took,
It was like that; Rice Eaters attacked - Server crash - they lost the whole army - templars wanted to be so kind to give them back the lost troops and equipment - greys attacked that guy - who was the citiy owner (which wasnt really smart) - greys fought of 14k? peasant equip - and i kind of remember that they kind of attacked Yalen 3x before.

And there are other stories, like on Uxkhal when the Coalition moved there, the grey had like 10~ armies in there, they lowered the garrison (maybe of another reason, but still) Coalition attacked like 8 times, they always had it lowered.

I dont know when and where the idiotism of strat began but it wont change so easily.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Bittersteel on September 13, 2013, 07:33:42 pm
Instructions weren't clear enough, i got my dick caught in the ceiling fan
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Knitler on September 13, 2013, 07:51:34 pm
Instructions weren't clear enough, i got my dick caught in the ceiling fan

Is it dead now :/?
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Flans on September 13, 2013, 10:48:18 pm


We're just gonna end up talking about how we did this and that back then :\ what we should be doing is making fun matches now with whats left of the Apostates tickets, theyre gonna be wiped anyways, so might as well go out banging.
they've repeatedly said they don't care about strat all over the place now, so lower em and let us get to the main attraction inside those mountains :)
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Bittersteel on September 13, 2013, 11:20:41 pm
Is it dead now :/?


Yes. I'll have someone over tomorrow to fix the fan.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Knitler on September 14, 2013, 09:57:51 am

We're just gonna end up talking about how we did this and that back then :\ what we should be doing is making fun matches now with whats left of the Apostates tickets, theyre gonna be wiped anyways, so might as well go out banging.
they've repeatedly said they don't care about strat all over the place now, so lower em and let us get to the main attraction inside those mountains :)

Thats not the "War on Apostates" Thread, its the "Decrasing fief´s army for attacks" Thread ....
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Jack1 on September 14, 2013, 12:18:15 pm
i got my dick caught in the ceiling fan

How does one manage...
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Butan on September 28, 2013, 04:04:55 pm
I wanted to say GG;


In one month the garrisonning almost stagnated, so numerous were the battles and loss on every side.



25 August :
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28 September :
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Some agreed to planned sieges to not force the others to waste troops but; there also was a lot of pretty audacious attacks, completely ignoring the "wasted" troops over 2k-2k5 waves. It was even quite beneficial to those who took the risk since most of those audacious attacks ended before the siege was completely depleted of troops (captured troops!).


Those 2 images are also interesting to compare who got completely wiped out and who conquered a lot, in terms of fiefs and regarrisoning of newly conquered fiefs.



If not only the greys and druzhina (and some others, like wolves) were out on the field completely going balls to the wall, we could even see a DECREASE IN OVERALL WORLDWIDE TROOPS  :o   shocking news!
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Erasmas on September 28, 2013, 07:28:10 pm
Some agreed to planned sieges to not force the others to waste troops but; there also was a lot of pretty audacious attacks, completely ignoring the "wasted" troops over 2k-2k5 waves.

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5276 (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5276)

3rd siege. Have fun guys  :D
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Lt_Anders on September 28, 2013, 08:36:37 pm
I've never...6k troops!?
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5277

That's way more than what i'd waste. Shit, I'd just let you stack that much. We could have 3 nice battles with that 6k troops, rather than 1 battle.
Title: Re: Decreasing fief's army for attacks - the Battles Conclave (OPEN)
Post by: Vermilion on September 28, 2013, 10:44:52 pm
I've never...6k troops!?
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=5277

That's way more than what i'd waste. Shit, I'd just let you stack that much. We could have 3 nice battles with that 6k troops, rather than 1 battle.

Big risk = Big reward

Gaining 12000 troops and a castle!




I wanted to say GG;

In one month the garrisonning almost stagnated, so numerous were the battles and loss on every side.

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There has been lots of troop usage which is always good!!
Still amazing that the troop number has still managed to rise though... A lot of people still generating troops, and lots of them.

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Also good to see Coalition are being fair with their "stacking" Rindyar Castle has been consistently returned to 6k army, would have been very easy for them to have just put a few 1000's of troops in.  :)