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Title: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Carac on May 11, 2013, 04:14:45 am
So I am in EU_DOUBLE_EXP and want to talk to the multiple chinese people in the server so I say chinaman and every motherfucking chinese person in the server flips shit. So on today's game of "Is It Racist", you decide if chinaman is racist. I personally do not see how that can be interpreted as being racist.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Kirman on May 11, 2013, 04:16:49 am
Well, im from Turkey and if someone calls me turkeyman  it might sound offensive  :lol:
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Carac on May 11, 2013, 04:17:44 am
That's like calling a person from Germany german. I am really not seeing the problem. You are a man from china
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on May 11, 2013, 04:32:53 am
So because "paki" is racist, calling someone "kazakh" is too?

You can't use the same rule for everything, saying "chinaman" is DEFINITELY racist, don't try to compare it to other things.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on May 11, 2013, 04:36:05 am
Lol Carac, you fret too much.

I (at least from what I saw) was the only one who was claiming that was racist, and I was just doing it to tease and piss you off
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Carac on May 11, 2013, 04:36:23 am
Can you explain to me how it is? I'm being dead serious I cannot see how it's racist.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Carac on May 11, 2013, 04:36:47 am
nah it wasnt just you clock it was the chinamen they were getting butthurt
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Burr1ck on May 11, 2013, 04:39:22 am
Quote from: Carac on May 11, 2013, 04:36:23 am
Can you explain to me how it is? I'm being dead serious I cannot see how it's racist.

Go to China then and find out.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Leshma on May 11, 2013, 04:40:19 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman_(term)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=china%20man

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Chinaman - (ethnic slur) offensive term for a person of Chinese descent
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on May 11, 2013, 04:40:43 am
Maybe because the term is usually associated with "little chinaman"
And such, and thus could be seen as racist in some eyes.

It's like how some African-Americans take offense to being called black
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Muki on May 11, 2013, 04:40:47 am
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Chinaman
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Chi·na·man
[chahy-nuh-muhn] Show IPA
noun, plural Chi·na·men.
1.
Usually Offensive. a Chinese or a person of Chinese descent.
2.
( lowercase  ) a person who imports or sells china.
3.
( often lowercase  ) Political Slang. a person regarded as one's benefactor, sponsor, or protector: to see one's chinaman about a favor.
Idioms
4.
a Chinaman's chance, Usually Offensive. the slightest chance: He hasn't a Chinaman's chance of getting that job.
Origin:

Here a wiki link too since am too lazy right now to expand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman_%28term%29
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on May 11, 2013, 04:42:10 am
Damn it leshma ninjad a explanation in before me

Curse typing on this phone
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Carac on May 11, 2013, 04:42:19 am
huh. guess i'm wrong. Sorry chinese friends!
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Muki on May 11, 2013, 04:48:07 am
Quote from: Carac on May 11, 2013, 04:42:19 am
huh. guess i'm wrong. Sorry chinese friends!

A tip just because you use the term its meaning less to you if you don't understand it.

Also google <<<
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: obitus on May 11, 2013, 04:57:21 am
its only racist if you call someone from laos or thailand a chinaman
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Carac on May 11, 2013, 05:03:37 am
but isnt it an opinion if you think its racist or not?
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Winterly on May 11, 2013, 05:06:54 am
To a lesser extent but still derogatory, is the word "oriental". It's an archaic term that British coined and placed upon Eastern Asia. Don't use it.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Dooz on May 11, 2013, 05:37:41 am
I wish there was a term that was deemed racist towards humanity as a whole so I could legally change my name to it and finally express my distaste for everyone all at once. Fucking humos.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Lord_Bernie_of_Voodoo on May 11, 2013, 05:42:21 am
Seemingly everyone has a different idea of what "racist" is, so it's not even worth talking about, really.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Zaren on May 11, 2013, 05:59:57 am
Quote from: Carac on May 11, 2013, 04:14:45 am
So I am in EU_DOUBLE_EXP and want to talk to the multiple chinese people in the server so I say chinaman and every motherfucking chinese person in the server flips shit. So on today's game of "Is It Racist", you decide if chinaman is racist. I personally do not see how that can be interpreted as being racist.
Yea its a racist slur but im chinese and I couldnt give a damn what you call me. Personally I believe some people are getting a little too sensitive but I get why they enforce the rule.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Winterly on May 11, 2013, 06:15:15 am
Quote from: blacktiger28 on May 11, 2013, 05:59:57 am
Yea its a racist slur but im chinese and I couldnt give a damn what you call me. Personally I believe some people are getting a little too sensitive but I get why they enforce the rule.

Kind of like situations where white people get over defensive of black people (in the US) and the black person who was supposed to be insulted is like "nigga, calm the fuck down" to the white person.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 11, 2013, 06:32:15 am
Well last time I was on the CHN server a guy called me a "white pig" so, you know, whatever.

The best way to get there attention is just to say, "Hey, commie!" It's not racist, it's probably not accurate either, but it's not racist.

Quote from: blacktiger28 on May 11, 2013, 05:59:57 am
Yea its a racist slur but im chinese and I couldnt give a damn what you call me. Personally I believe some people are getting a little too sensitive but I get why they enforce the rule.

The slope is right everyone, chill out... teeheeheehee. I'm sorry Zaren :( luv u long time... god I can't stop.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Testicleez on May 11, 2013, 06:35:13 am
It's the internet. Therefore I give zero fucks when it comes to "offending" people.


IRL though, I wouldn't call a Chinese person a chinaman :lol:
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: KingBread on May 11, 2013, 07:06:19 am
Internet is serious buissnes mr last samurai the sexinator!

I guess this is super dumb that chinaman is offensive. But if it is i will try to adopt. I would also enjoy -1 from Badplayer cos he fight in internet to deny reality very well i do hope that one day he will proove to himself that there is no racism towards white people and this day he will need to fight no more!

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Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Gnjus on May 11, 2013, 07:25:34 am
Quote from: Xside on May 11, 2013, 04:16:49 am
Well, im from Turkey and if someone calls me turkeyman  it might sound offensive  :lol:

Turkling.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Lars on May 11, 2013, 07:54:31 am
"♪ We got big trouble in little China  ♫"


Best movie ever
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 11, 2013, 08:28:12 am
Why is this term that was used as an offensive slur in the past racist? Why is this term that offends the people it describes racist?

NEWS STORY AT 11, STAY TUNED
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Voso on May 11, 2013, 08:34:19 am
I would be incredibly offended if I was called a chinaman because I am a chinese woman, not a MAN.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: bagge on May 11, 2013, 08:39:00 am
plz dont call me swede its racist plz so offensive :cry:
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: bredeus on May 11, 2013, 08:48:43 am
So the Orient Express is racist then...
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Tibe on May 11, 2013, 08:49:50 am
I seriuslly hate this "Uh my god its racist, im offended" bullcrap that some minorities have. Grow balls and join the internet son, you are just making more bad blood and not really stepping up for anyone if you claim a simple word to be racist. Chinaman doesnt seem offending imo. This is why I somewhat dislike Pepe too. He sets people up, so that they use some random "offensive" word and then later tries to get em banned. I know its just trolling from his part, but its really not doing anyone a favor.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Winterly on May 11, 2013, 09:01:20 am
Quote from: TiberiusX on May 11, 2013, 08:49:50 am
I seriuslly hate this "Uh my god its racist, im offended" bullcrap that some minorities have. Grow balls and join the internet son, you are just making more bad blood and not really stepping up for anyone if you claim a simple word to be racist. Chinaman doesnt seem offending imo. This is why I somewhat dislike Pepe too. He sets people up, so that they use some random "offensive" word and then later tries to get em banned. I know its just trolling from his part, but its really not doing anyone a favor.

Nobody was legitimately offended by it...there was only one person who said it was racist and that person was just trolling the other guy. Everyone in this thread is just explaining/expressing their thoughts without spouting "bullcrap".

Quote from: Clockworkkiller on May 11, 2013, 04:36:05 am
Lol Carac, you fret too much.

I (at least from what I saw) was the only one who was claiming that was racist, and I was just doing it to tease and piss you off
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Tibe on May 11, 2013, 09:21:37 am
I know. I just wanted to clarify my stance. The question of the thread was "Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?"
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist?
Post by: Kafein on May 11, 2013, 10:04:28 am
Quote from: BADPLAYER on May 11, 2013, 04:32:53 am
So because "paki" is racist, calling someone "kazakh" is too?

You can't use the same rule for everything, saying "chinaman" is DEFINITELY racist, don't try to compare it to other things.

How can that be racist ? They aren't black.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Teeth on May 11, 2013, 10:22:23 am
It's probably only considered racist due to historical connotations. I find chinaman a perfectly descriptive term for a man from China. There is nothing offensive in the word itself. You'd probably be best off calling someone from China simply chinese, if you are in fact not trying to offend someone.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Ronin on May 11, 2013, 10:28:33 am
How about these?:

-Turkoman
-Spaniard
-Swede

Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Fuma Kotaro on May 11, 2013, 11:12:48 am
so is it racist calling me a duckling?
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Brrrak on May 11, 2013, 11:14:57 am
Hahaha, gweilo means ghost bloke.

That's amusing.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Osiris on May 11, 2013, 12:01:50 pm
Orient  is not derogatory its just what we brits named the east...  its used in loads of products/companies hell even chinese take aways are called stuff like taste of the orient etc
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Mlekce on May 11, 2013, 12:24:58 pm
You people need to relax and stop being butthurt about everything.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Leshma on May 11, 2013, 12:33:28 pm
Quote from: bagge on May 11, 2013, 08:39:00 am
plz dont call me swede its racist plz so offensive :cry:

What about viking? But I doubt you'll take offense if someone calls you like that.

Barbarian? That might work.

It's pretty easy to offend someone by calling him names he dosen't like. You just need to have little knowledge of history. Offensive names are usually tied to some historical period or event.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Overdriven on May 11, 2013, 12:37:54 pm
I'm an Englishman.

O crap I offended myself.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: no_rules_just_play on May 11, 2013, 12:48:24 pm
Chinaman is a contentious English language term that denotes a Chinese man or person, or as a Chinese national, or, in some cases, an indiscriminate term for a person native to geographical East Asia or of perceived East Asian race. Although the term has no negative connotations in older dictionaries,[1][2] and the usage of such parallel compound terms (though Chineseman would technically be the precise parallel) as Englishman, Frenchman and Irishman[3] remain unobjectionable,[4] the term Chinaman is noted as offensive by modern dictionaries. Its derogatory connotations evolved from its use in pejorative contexts regarding the Chinese and other Asians. While usage of the term Chinaman is nowadays strongly discouraged by Asian American organizations,[5][6][7][8] the term has been used by English speakers of Chinese descent and others, without offensive intent,[5][8] and has also been used as a self-referential archetype by authors and artists of Asian descent.[9]
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Berserkadin on May 11, 2013, 01:22:03 pm
Chinaman is a tricky one, since it doesnt sound offensive at all.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: obitus on May 11, 2013, 01:23:30 pm
Someone should name themselves americaman
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Casimir on May 11, 2013, 01:25:41 pm
Quote from: Winterly on May 11, 2013, 05:06:54 am
To a lesser extent but still derogatory, is the word "oriental". It's an archaic term that British coined and placed upon Eastern Asia. Don't use it.

Yeah this is incorrect.  Orient is a term dating before the middle ages. It essentially means east of the known world, primarily the Levant, Egypt and Arabia. It has it's stem in antiquity and old French not English.  As knowledge of the world expanded so did the usage of the term, it's focus spreading eastward. There are really no racial overtones to Orient.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Leesin on May 11, 2013, 01:35:44 pm
They are Chinamen, same as I am an Englishman, don't see the problem.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Miwiw on May 11, 2013, 01:39:51 pm
This whole discussion. It is quite obvious that using the term "chinaman" could only be used in a trying-to-be-offensive-way when you adress the chinese players who are, in many opinions, only leech due to double xp on the server.
Terms like "Englishman" or similar stuff are perfectly fine, but usually once it comes to something outside of Europe, it becomes a bit offending. Nowadays so many terms are offending.

I still remember a children's song. I'll not get into details, but you can enjoy checking the wikipedia entry: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zehn_kleine_Negerlein .

And ye, I also got to known it in the 90's when I was a child. :P
Later it got replaced with "Zehn kleine Jägermeister".
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Haboe on May 11, 2013, 01:42:17 pm
I'm from holland, and if someone calls me "dutchy" or "dutchman" or "hollandman" i can't be arsed...

But then again, i am proud of my country  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: zottlmarsch on May 11, 2013, 01:52:30 pm
Chinese, English, Indian, German, French, Turkish, Russian or whatever nationality you may be....You're all still cunts in my eyes  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Micah on May 11, 2013, 01:53:46 pm
Hey Carac my boy. You didnt anything really wrong, boy. Nobody expected to preserve decency from NA ppl, boy. We in EU can deal with that, and so should all others, boy.  Even in a delicate situation where once in existance of cRPG all major cultures of the playerbase was on one server, trying to have fun despite all odds, we dont expect respect from NA side , boy.  You did only live up to everyone's expectation, boy. Its just the way you are, boy. Spaming "USA" and "Murica is best country in the world", rendering the chat unusable for 50% of the time, is just what we expect from you, boy. Thanks for that funny "chinaman" trolling, boy.

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Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Leshma on May 11, 2013, 02:15:04 pm
Quote from: Teeth on May 11, 2013, 10:22:23 am
It's probably only considered racist due to historical connotations.

Exactly. I guess this is why it is considered racist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman's_chance
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Clockworkkiller on May 11, 2013, 02:32:09 pm
Damn Carac, you really started something with this thread
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Kafein on May 11, 2013, 02:45:04 pm
"United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Irelandman"

Kinda weird

"People's Republic of Chinaman"

Misleading

"Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriyaman"
"Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lankaman"

Okay whatever
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 11, 2013, 02:47:18 pm
Lets just learn a thing or two from Australia and just call everyone cunt, problem solved. Now everyone is always offended.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Prpavi on May 11, 2013, 03:46:00 pm
ok not to open new thread.


Is telling a Chinese player on server to shut up and go eat rice racist?
Is telling a EU player he has a chinese cock while Chinese players are present on the server racist?


discuss...
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 11, 2013, 03:56:23 pm
Yes and Yes.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: Leesin on May 11, 2013, 03:59:44 pm
Yeah.. but second one is funny.
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on May 11, 2013, 04:17:10 pm
Just ask Phase
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: betard_lulz on May 11, 2013, 04:51:48 pm
Quote from: Mlekce on May 11, 2013, 12:24:58 pm
You people need to relax and stop being butthurt about everything.
Story of EU
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: no_rules_just_play on May 11, 2013, 04:53:49 pm
Quote from: betard_lulz on May 11, 2013, 04:51:48 pm
Story of EU
we rather wouldnt want to relax our brain cells like you americans do, as far as i can see the side effect is brain death
Title: Re: Is calling a chinese person "chinaman" racist? (not trying to offend anyone)
Post by: betard_lulz on May 11, 2013, 04:57:48 pm
Quote from: no_rules_just_play on May 11, 2013, 04:53:49 pm
we rather wouldnt want to relax our brain cells like you americans do, as far as i can see the side effect is brain death
I think the side effect of relaxing brain cells is nanny stateism combined with zero to no freedoms.