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Title: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 04:36:13 pm
Just to prove when I say it went through my block I'm not talking horseshit.
Btw, was just recorded not long before the latest patches, using the so called OP LHB.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mwVd5LE_bI
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on May 03, 2011, 04:55:58 pm
Well this is also an example of wolves fail. Kinngrimm obviously hasnt trained you in the art of not failing.  :lol:
Constructive advice never helped anyone..... probably.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Memento_Mori on May 03, 2011, 05:05:00 pm
Don't tap your blocks and this won't happen, looked like he was delaying some attacks on you as well which is a great technique to 'go through blocks'
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 05:06:19 pm
Well this is also an example of wolves fail. Kinngrimm obviously hasnt trained you in the art of not failing.  :lol:
Constructive advice never helped anyone..... probably.

Well what can one do when they've read this but troll? :P I'm sure there's loads of people who thought I made it up when I said their hits went through my blocks.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 05:08:24 pm
Don't tap your blocks and this won't happen, looked like he was delaying some attacks on you as well which is a great technique to 'go through blocks'

I don't just tap, like clicking a mouse button, but I admit to not holding blocks all the time. The video shows how effective 2h swords are at feinting and the speed of the weapon itself, combined with a faster player CLEARLY makes it OP.

It's bloody annoying when people say this and that and this and that is OP, when they use the easiest frag harvesting weapons in the mod, being 2h swords.

If feint spamming is dealt with then a players true blocking so called 'skill' will be left to bare for all to see.

Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Memento_Mori on May 03, 2011, 05:10:08 pm
Well what can one do when they've read this but troll? :P I'm sure there's loads of people who thought I made it up when I said their hits went through my blocks.

It's not going through your blocks, you're tapping your block & thus failing. You didn't wait for the weapon to hit, you looked panicked by the way the screen was jerking all over the place. I'm not trolling, shit happens, & it may look like its going 'through' your block but it's not, you let go of your block at the right moment to let it in, you did it at the end with his delayed side swing as well.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 05:11:10 pm
It's not going through your blocks, you're tapping your block & thus failing. You didn't wait for the weapon to hit, you looked panicked by the way the screen was jerking all over the place. I'm not trolling, shit happens, & it may look like its going 'through' your block but it's not, you let go of your block at the right moment to let it in, you did it at the end with his delayed side swing as well.

If I was just tapping it then the weapon wouldn't stay over my head when his sword comes down on it. The combat is fast paced and I don't have the luxury to hold left block for 10 minutes, I'd be dead in less than a second.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Memento_Mori on May 03, 2011, 05:12:56 pm
I don't just tap, like clicking a mouse button, but I admit to not holding blocks all the time. The video shows how effective 2h swords are at feinting and the speed of the weapon itself, combined with a faster player CLEARLY makes it OP.

It's bloody annoying when people say this and that and this and that is OP, when they use the easiest frag harvesting weapons in the mod, being 2h swords.

If feint spamming is dealt with then a players true blocking so called 'skill' will be left to bare for all to see.

You're using a long hafted blade, one of the easiest frag harvesting weapons in the mod.
What are you whining about again? I thought it was fucked up hit boxes? but since you were wrong there now you're saying it's about 2h being over powered.. Yeahh, maybe you need some more practice my friend. No offense, but saying things are OP because you got beaten because you made terrible mistakes in a panic doesn't make me want to believe you.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 05:13:59 pm
You're using a long hafted blade, one of the easiest frag harvesting weapons in the mod.
What are you whining about again? I thought it was fucked up hit boxes? but since you were wrong there now you're saying it's about 2h being over powered.. Yeahh, maybe you need some more practice my friend. No offense, but saying things are OP because you got beaten because you made terrible mistakes in a panic doesn't make me want to believe you.

Have you or anyone else seen me saying, HURR 1H GOES THROUGH MY BLOCK, OMFG POLEARM GOESTHROUGH MY BLOCK?!!?!!?!? OMG MAUL GOES THROUGH MY BLOCK?!!?!?!?!.. no.. 2h swords, that's all.

Your opinion of the LHB is a giveaway that you're probably a 2h sword user yourself. LHB beat people because of its range and its stun more than its speed, most people are too dumb to realise this. Yes it had a strange fast strike sometimes but I've noticed all polearms do that.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Memento_Mori on May 03, 2011, 05:17:14 pm
If I was just tapping it then the weapon wouldn't stay over my head when his sword comes down on it. The combat is fast paced and I don't have the luxury to hold left block for 10 minutes, I'd be dead in less than a second.

Wrong, you'd be dead if you dont hold your block to whatever attack he has when he's in range.
Delayed attacks are one of my fav things to do, when someone moves even the slightest bit from their correct block, either to attack or miss block for whatever reason, I let go of my swing, and bye bye, right through the animation some times, even with shielders. It has nothing to do with being OP, I do it with 1hers, & pole arms too, it's a technique.

Go to the duel server, practice with good players, you'll learn.

& actually I just said that about LHB because you said it about 2h? see how stupid it made me seem? now see how stupid it makes you seem. xD


Classes are really balanced at least to me, just my opinion, but I know that 2h doesn't specifically go through blocks & by watching the video you posted I see what you're doing wrong I don't see anything OP or glitched or anything.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 05:18:11 pm
Wrong, you'd be dead if you dont hold your block to whatever attack he has when he's in range.
Delayed attacks are one of my fav things to do, when someone moves even the slightest bit from their correct block, either to attack or miss block for whatever reason, I let go of my swing, and bye bye, right through the animation some times, even with shielders. It has nothing to do with being OP, I do it with 1hers, & pole arms too, it's a technique.

Go to the duel server, practice with good players, you'll learn.

& actually I just said that about LHB because you said it about 2h? see how stupid it made me seem? now see how stupid it makes you seem. xD

How about you come to the duel server? Clearly you just want to speak shit.

I've never claimed to be the best player in the world, I know when I failed to block, just as I KNOW when the block has failed me.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Memento_Mori on May 03, 2011, 05:22:55 pm
How about you come to the duel server? Clearly you just want to speak shit.

I've never claimed to be the best player in the world, I know when I failed to block, just as I KNOW when the block has failed me.

I'm not claiming to be the best player ever, and I'm not speaking shit, I'm trying to tell you what you did wrong so you can correct it and stop shooting your mouth off about "THIS IS OP BECUZ IT BEAT ME OMGZZZ SOMEONE ELSE AGREE WITH ME BUT DON'T YOU DARE DISAGREE WITH ME COZ I'LL FREAK"

Which duel server? I'm NA but I wouldn't mind if your EU I can show you what I mean by holding your attack, I'm not being hostile, please don't take it that way, I just sound like a dick over the internet no matter what I say.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Banok on May 03, 2011, 05:25:43 pm
blocks just dont work sometimes, not exclusive to 2h AFAIK.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Keshian on May 03, 2011, 05:27:26 pm
Yeh, i do the same delayed swing with my polearms and 1hers and it gets people who don't hold their block for more than 1/10th of a second.  Be a little less spastic with the mouse, maybe try holding a block and pushing forward instead of backpedaling and you can gain some time by forcing him to turn rather than playing to his charging forward in a straight line.   What's nice is you can be sure they are feinting if you don't hear the sound of their weapon contacting yours.  But you definitely can do what that 2her did with any melee weapon except maybe the longpike (stab only).

Yes, all weapons occasionally go through blocks due to packeet loss, but its still few enough times given how many times you successfully block that its not a big deal, and this video was not a demonstartion of that.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: IG_Saint on May 03, 2011, 05:29:37 pm
There are rare occasions when it does indeed seem like an attack goes through a block, generally it's just caused by lag or releasing the block too soon. This looks like you just released too soon.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Thucydides on May 03, 2011, 05:42:43 pm
pfft forget going through blocks, SOMEONE FIX MY POLEARM GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH A GUY AND NOT EVEN HITTING HIM
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Momo on May 03, 2011, 05:44:30 pm
Just to prove when I say it went through my block I'm not talking horseshit.
Btw, was just recorded not long before the latest patches, using the so called OP LHB.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mwVd5LE_bI

Murmu, I don't understand you, when you just stunlock everyone with polearms xD. It's OP as the OP 2hs.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 05:51:36 pm
Yes I agree that it's not an issue confined to just 2h swords but given that it happens more frequently when facing someone with a 2h sword means that it's more than a mere annoyance when playing, if it wasnt as frequent as it appears to be for me then I wouldn't have raised the issue. I have clips of 3 other 2h users going through my blocks. I carefully looked at the recordings, removing clips that show me or at least the screen says so, release the block early.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Captain_Georges on May 03, 2011, 06:03:26 pm
too slow and too nervous.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Meow on May 03, 2011, 06:08:08 pm
if you call that nervous you don't ever wanna see me fighting on my screen :mrgreen:

also holding my swings for half a sec longer than necessary increased my number of unblocked hits by about 75% and also made me realize that holding a block instead of tapping them helps a lot.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Kaelaen on May 03, 2011, 06:18:32 pm
I don't think the guy he was fighting was holding his up strikes, but because they are naturally slower Murmillus_Prime did seem to constantly make the mistake of letting go of the block button.  I myself make that mistake often.  Memento_Mori and everyone else was correct in earlier posts in that you are trying to tap block.  It doesn't matter if you know or don't know what it means, you only hold your block for like a split second before trying to retaliate, which is easy picking for good duelists no matter their weapons.  Not to mention... dat backpedal
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murchad on May 03, 2011, 06:20:10 pm
I get that all the time because i tend to tap block also, i just blame myself
i am trying to work on holding block but old habits die hard
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: cmp on May 03, 2011, 06:22:46 pm
Helicopter less, block more?
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 07:12:23 pm
I'm not nervous when I play, I have high sensitivity on the mouse.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Polobow on May 03, 2011, 08:40:21 pm
Hmmm looking closely makes me think he just made a quick feint or holded the attack a little.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Cyclopsided on May 03, 2011, 08:56:17 pm
I'm not nervous when I play, I have high sensitivity on the mouse.
Then control your mouse better. [Or lower sensitivity]
You look way too far when you go to block and attack.

It is hard to watch this video, the backpedaling and poor footwork hurts to watch, even ignoring mouse control and lack of block holding. You have a lot to work on and this issue will go away.

1. Hold your ground: You are wearing heavy armor & your weapon isn't longer, dear god why are you backpedaling? You want to give the opponent control of the fight? You want to do less damage? Also, try to not let him circle you.
2. Use your ears. Don't rely solely on eyesight as your only means of playing. Strike back when you HEAR the sound of a block. Nobody will ever hit through you again. Relying entirely on your eyes is how holds and feints get kills.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 09:02:55 pm
Then control your mouse better.
You look way too far when you go to block and attack.

It is hard to watch this video, the backpedaling and poor footwork hurts to watch, even ignoring mouse control and lack of block holding. You have a lot to work on and this issue will go away.

1. Hold your ground: You are wearing heavy armor & your weapon isn't longer, dear god why are you backpedaling? You want to give the opponent control of the fight? You want to do less damage? Also, try to not let him circle you.
2. Use your ears. Don't rely solely on eyesight as your only means of playing. trike back when you HEAR the sound of a block. Nobody will ever hit through you again. Relying entirely on your eyes is how holds and feints get kills.

The intention of the video was to show hits through blocks, not an example of me playing at my best. I don't need to be told how to play, it's insulting. I've played for many months and if my blocking style is what's the cause of swords going through my blocks then how do I manage to block atall? Surely if I released too soon all the time then every block would fail, but that's not the case by far.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Goretooth on May 03, 2011, 09:09:27 pm
The intention of the video was to show hits through blocks, not an example of me playing at my best. I don't need to be told how to play, it's insulting. I've played for many months and if my blocking style is what's the cause of swords going through my blocks then how do I manage to block atall? Surely if I released too soon all the time then every block would fail, but that's not the case by far.
get faster at blocking?

btw he's doing a little delay before the attack. I do it all the time to people doing small delays to really long delays.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: RandomDude on May 03, 2011, 09:22:47 pm
Yeah sorry man it looks like a clear case of holding attack/releasing blocks too early and/or lag?

I get hit when I could swear I've blocked but I put it down to ping/frame lag.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Nemeth on May 03, 2011, 09:24:31 pm
The intention of the video was to show hits through blocks, not an example of me playing at my best. I don't need to be told how to play, it's insulting. I've played for many months and if my blocking style is what's the cause of swords going through my blocks then how do I manage to block atall? Surely if I released too soon all the time then every block would fail, but that's not the case by far.

You play for many months yet you fall for the simplest trick there is, the held attack. The hits are going through because you release the RMB too soon, easy as that. The video does NOT show the hits going through your block, it shows your lack of blocking skill.

I'm not trying to insult you here, but don't try to cover up your failure by saying it went through your block, when in fact, you weren't blocking at the very moment the hit hit.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Oberyn on May 03, 2011, 10:12:21 pm
Well, it only seems to happen for overheads, at least on this video. Would you say it mostly happens with overheads or every type of hit?
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 03, 2011, 10:24:47 pm
You play for many months yet you fall for the simplest trick there is, the held attack. The hits are going through because you release the RMB too soon, easy as that. The video does NOT show the hits going through your block, it shows your lack of blocking skill.

I'm not trying to insult you here, but don't try to cover up your failure by saying it went through your block, when in fact, you weren't blocking at the very moment the hit hit.

I'm not trying to cover anything up, I made this thread convinced that attacks are going through my blocks.... I'm now trying to be more patient with blocking instead of being over-eager to dish out attacks.

And, yeah overheads tend to go through more than side attacks but I have been hit through side attacks and have recorded that also.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Xant on May 04, 2011, 12:35:43 am
If you want advice, lower your mouse sens. It's way too high, your camera is very very jerky there when it should be smooth. And yeah, clear case of you releasing block too early, happens.

Apart from the jerky camera movement because of too high sens, you're not actually being too frantic like some people say. If you want to go for a hyperactive playstyle (this ain't even it, though) you need to have control, which you clearly lack.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Radix on May 04, 2011, 12:40:33 am
I had smillar situation with my shield, the swing went trough it despite the fact it was risen, however I was just about to launch a counter swing and kind of released and clicked the right mouse button when I realised its to late, so I assume that graphicaly the shield was up, but the character received command to pull it down exactly when the swing came. Thats wht I think at least.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Fyre on May 04, 2011, 12:53:25 am
In addition to not holding the block, considering this seems mostly to be happening with overheads, the other guy was probably turning into his overheads a little as well. I can't really tell cause the video isn't great, but I would assume that the overhead hits after it's gone past the point where it should hit. Kind of like a lolstab.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Dan lol on May 04, 2011, 01:00:47 am
oh cool a video of a backpedaling long hafted blade spammer who can't block, you don't see that every day
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 04, 2011, 01:41:44 am
oh cool a video of a backpedaling long hafted blade spammer who can't block, you don't see that every day

oh cool an idiot spewing what he believes to be smart well informed comments, but is infact spamming ill informed dribble with judgement that would make a 3 year old look more intelligent on a forum... you don't see that every day
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Kafein on May 04, 2011, 01:46:10 am
It's bloody annoying when people say this and that and this and that is OP, when they use the easiest frag harvesting weapons in the mod, being 2h swords.

You are doing exactly the same thing, but you don't seem to understand this.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Elmetiacos on May 04, 2011, 02:27:55 am
Before the last patch there were definitely phantom blocks and strikes, with weapons going straight through obvious blocks, such as at the start of a 1 v 1 where you know your hit will be blocked but you just go through the motions to start the fight off. There was the time when Tenne shot me and I started following him, wondering where he's got me from, and saw him forced into melee and killed after his weapon went straight through his opponent, doing no harm at all - it was obvious.

Since the patch I'm not sure... I may have had one or two phantom blocks but nothing's 100% certain so far. I may have seen one phantom strike on a roof vs an archer too, but that's not 100% either.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on May 04, 2011, 02:35:36 am
Got to say I do believe there are phantom blocks, I have seen the mistimed blocks, done them myself on many occasions, but there are definitely some hitbox issues. However, more recently I have been playing more ranged so I can't say what things are like post-patch.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Smoketh on May 04, 2011, 03:05:35 am
Since we are on the subject of blocking I've been wondering about something. It seems much easier to block in native than in CRPG, I was playing fire and sword and native warband today and it seemed much easier to block attacks. I normally use a katana in crpg, I dunno if that has somethin to do with it or if there is more lag on crpg since the native server I was on had less players, or maybe it's simply that people swing faster because of stats :?:
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: EponiCo on May 04, 2011, 03:14:30 am
Most players in crpg swing slower now, but yeah, lag is a problem for many people.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Mala on May 04, 2011, 06:17:03 am
Yeah, i know this from my buckler, too.

I don´t release the block and suddenly a frontal hit goes through and i am dead.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Astinus on May 04, 2011, 07:47:54 am
They should have added a small crushtrought ability for big weapons, so that they won't be blocked by knives or other tiny weapons. Well I'm not sure it hab been already added, but Urist was speaking about it in irc some time ago. By the way it doesn't seem our case it, it looks more like a fail block attempt
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Gorath on May 04, 2011, 07:56:27 am
It's not going through your blocks, you're tapping your block & thus failing. You didn't wait for the weapon to hit, you looked panicked by the way the screen was jerking all over the place. I'm not trolling, shit happens, & it may look like its going 'through' your block but it's not, you let go of your block at the right moment to let it in, you did it at the end with his delayed side swing as well.

^
This.  You were just failing while panicking as an s-key hero.  That's the outcome.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Yaron on May 04, 2011, 10:20:46 am
without reading the rest of the thread:

1. Fix your fps ^^

2. I think you just lifted your blocks to early, maybe due to your lag ... :>
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 04, 2011, 10:50:40 am
without reading the rest of the thread:

1. Fix your fps ^^

2. I think you just lifted your blocks to early, maybe due to your lag ... :>

my fps is fine when I'm not running fraps, when I run it, it does studder and freeze sometimes... not sure why................. usually when im turning the camera alot
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 04, 2011, 11:02:06 am
Here's a clip of a nodachi going through post patch..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhTKJGjMIGA

yeah it does look like I release block early but I'm not.... the reason it looks like it's being released is because I've just been killed lol
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Vibe on May 04, 2011, 11:24:03 am
Here's a clip of a nodachi going through post patch..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhTKJGjMIGA

yeah it does look like I release block early but I'm not.... the reason it looks like it's being released is because I've just been killed lol

Oh hell no brotha. You released early. Stop this silly OBVIOUS tap blocking. It is clearly not working for you.

I am a LHB user and have duelled a lot recently and there are moments where I thought something was going thru my block but I have ALWAYS found a reason why it happened.

My ping ranges around 90 and blocks NEVER fail. It is the player who fails, either by releasing too early, tapping block or just pressing attack for a milisecond (extended by the lag) can cause the attack to go through your block ANIMATION, but not the block itself (because there wasn't any at that time).
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Phazey on May 04, 2011, 11:38:56 am
Quit being so snobish at Murmillus guys, he's a good and experienced player that often tops the board in battle and does good teamplay. Be nice.

On the blocking: if you have an example where you clearly just hold block and it goes through, that might help. But to me, it does look like you release block to counterattack. The animation shows your axe at the very first stages of an overhead. If you look at it frame by frame you see that when the blood appears, the axe is almost vertical.

That seems to indicate that Raz just spammed two overheads quickly after eachother. I see a second up-block, but i also see an overhead swing getting started just before you die. So i'm assuming you released block too early on the second block.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 04, 2011, 11:41:28 am
Guess It would have been wise for me to run the clips through slow motion before posting them..... Meh
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Phazey on May 04, 2011, 11:47:28 am
I can't count how many times i've shouted at my screen: "I blocked that!!! (*&^*&^*!!!"

But often it's because i released too soon or the enemy got around my block with footwork or something like that. One thing you can check for is connection issues. I suspect that packet loss or lag spikes can sometimes cause blocks not to register. Not 100% sure though.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Vibe on May 04, 2011, 11:48:55 am
I can't count how many times i've shouted at my screen: "I blocked that!!! (*&^*&^*!!!"

But often it's because i released too soon or the enemy got around my block with footwork or something like that. One thing you can check for is connection issues. I suspect that packet loss or lag spikes can sometimes cause blocks not to register. Not 100% sure though.

It doesn't look like connection issues to me. The block was not complete when he got hit. Simple as that.

Btw I'm not being snobish. I'm actually quite terrible at dueling myself.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Elmetiacos on May 04, 2011, 12:14:06 pm
The first video is too confusing to tell, the second video isn't a definite phantom block either, although it could be. Pre-patch, I've seen much more obvious stuff than this, as I said, the one where Tenne's strike clearly went straight through an enemy, the really easy to block one at the start of a fight in Village, another instance where my own blow went straight through an enemy and teamkilled someone standing on the other side of him. I'm not sure how much of a problem phantoms are now...
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Christo on May 04, 2011, 12:17:09 pm
Also it's weird when my Axehead just meets an enemies head/shield, and the hit won't register!

 :?
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Cyclopsided on May 04, 2011, 01:47:07 pm
Here's a clip of a nodachi going through post patch..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhTKJGjMIGA

yeah it does look like I release block early but I'm not.... the reason it looks like it's being released is because I've just been killed lol
Ooooh Man, You fell for that feint so hard.


For anyone who just wants to watch what is in question repeatedly, tap the 6 button on your keyboard while viewing the video.
If you want to see the block itself being released too early to block the follow-up hit (since it was a feint first), Click on the video at 7 seconds in repeatedly and you'll just watch him releasing the block, his arms coming down [his right hand all the way down to his collar bone; the prep for an overhead attack], only then being hit on the head and dying.

Funny thing: You let go SO early, you almost chambered the overhead with your upcoming attack.

Guess It would have been wise for me to run the clips through slow motion before posting them..... Meh
You can still do it. You'll see exactly what I posted above.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: La Makina on May 04, 2011, 02:03:26 pm
Difficult to tell on the video. Could you take a screenshot from the original take when the sword goes through the block?

Broken block do exist. I suffer from them sometimes and I am not blaming the mechanisms to cover my mistakes. Lag or packet loss are probably responsible.

I saw it once as a spectator: a player ("Sqawtish", I remember his name) did a upper block but the attack went right through it, no trick feint or whatever, it was a simple and obvious attack. Sqawtish: if you read this, please tell them I am right!
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 04, 2011, 02:31:03 pm
Ok... so I've gone through another clip that I've captured, at first I was 100% sure the hit went through the block.... Slowing the clip down to 1/4 speed shows my error. I release then re-initiate block at the point of his swords impact, at normal speed this would have been hard to see I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIaD7b3VfAY
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: kinngrimm on May 04, 2011, 04:40:37 pm
I can't clearly say what is the case from that video, it is really fast paste,
but some tips i heard here made sence.
Like
1. hearing the sound of the block
2. holding the block a little longer
3. trying a lower sensitivity or perhaps even a higher to react even faster

As far as i know you from fights and training your are very good at blocking, either feints, holded attacks or spam, i believe you that those things happened but can you be 100% of the reason why they happened?

Yeah, i know this from my buckler, too.

I don´t release the block and suddenly a frontal hit goes through and i am dead.
Post patch i noticed several deaths of me where i first thought it was phatom block, but after checking the stats of huscarl i see that the hitbox of huscarl got smaller so i have to lean more into the strikes directions. Because of the small hitboxes and all the ranged stuff flying around  i decided early on against buckler, but i see you doing very well with it same counts for LeoKing.
I am not quite sure but it seems that phantomblocks happens more often when i am fighting close to building, even if i block into the rigth direction many weapons strike past walls into my back somehow, perhaps it were phantom blocks or a mistake i made or lag, but figthing close to nonmovable objects seem to be more dangerous/tricky then it should be.

Well this is also an example of wolves fail. Kinngrimm obviously hasnt trained you in the art of not failing.  :lol:
Constructive advice never helped anyone..... probably.
Well this is also an example of mercs fail. Nocti obviously hasnt trained you in the art of not trolling.  :lol:
Constructive advice never helped anyone..... probably. ;) (trollolol)
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Barracuda on May 04, 2011, 05:14:41 pm
I think hits through blocks happen because of networks packet loss or something.

I made a poll about them couple months back because they happened to me quite often. Soon after I got my internet connection upgraded from 20/10 to 100/100. Ping didn't change but I haven't experienced unregistered blocks ever since.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Corrado_Decimo on May 04, 2011, 07:26:44 pm
Just to prove when I say it went through my block I'm not talking horseshit.
Btw, was just recorded not long before the latest patches, using the so called OP LHB.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mwVd5LE_bI

i only see a nub being pwned. that's a somewhat good twohander. there are lots better 2h players out there.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: MrShine on May 04, 2011, 08:50:22 pm
I'm sure that missed blocks happen occasionally due to packet loss lag etc, but I'd be willing to bet that 95+% of the time it's player error.  Sometimes I catch myself failing due to tap blocking and falling for feints, sometimes I might have the right block but turn too far to the side and get caught by the swing anyways, etc etc.

The best way to improve is to recognize what you are doing incorrectly and adjust.  I originally held my mouse buttons far too hard when blocking and have been able to have a little more finesse recently.  Now I need to work on the 'don't suck' part of it all.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 04, 2011, 09:47:45 pm
i only see a nub being pwned. that's a somewhat good twohander. there are lots better 2h players out there.

Says some unknown.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Dan lol on May 04, 2011, 10:10:33 pm
I think you should post more videos of you obviously not holding your blocks


Also any time where you get hit through a held block its because your screen is showing one block but the server seeing another, so you'd need the guy you're fighting frapsing it as well
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Osiris on May 04, 2011, 10:46:57 pm
Cicero haX!
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Elmetiacos on May 05, 2011, 01:38:31 am
I've just left EU1 because of suffering from phantom blocks and strikes. The server seems to be overworked, which may have a lot to do with it. I had, and watched other people getting, several instances of weapons passing harmlessly through enemies or attacks passing through what looked like good blocks.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: HarunYahya on May 05, 2011, 06:58:46 am
Okay guys lets stop having fun of Prime and share our ancient hax knowledge with him. :mrgreen:
There is a trick which makes your attacks go through and which also makes your blocks even more stable.
Go to Local drive:C/Windows and drag your System32 folder into Warband/Modules/cRPG/Resource
After that , open "actions" text file in cRPG.
after the last line (anim_horse 0 1 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0) add
anim_better_blocks 0 1 0 0 0 . 2 . 1
unused_better_blocks_anim 0 1 0 0 0 . 2 . 1
anim_better_attacks 0.0.1.0.0 0 0 . 1
unused_better_attacks_anim 0.0.1.0.0 0 0 . 1
Save your changes and it should be done !
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 05, 2011, 07:28:07 am
Okay guys lets stop having fun of Prime and share our ancient hax knowledge with him. :mrgreen:
There is a trick which makes your attacks go through and which also makes your blocks even more stable.
Go to Local drive:C/Windows and drag your System32 folder into Warband/Modules/cRPG/Resource
After that , open "actions" text file in cRPG.
after the last line (anim_horse 0 1 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0) add
anim_better_blocks 0 1 0 0 0 . 2 . 1
unused_better_blocks_anim 0 1 0 0 0 . 2 . 1
anim_better_attacks 0.0.1.0.0 0 0 . 1
unused_better_attacks_anim 0.0.1.0.0 0 0 . 1
Save your changes and it should be done !

Haven't once accused anyone of hacking on this thread.... Are you getting dumber by the second?... Damn, dumb question.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: HarunYahya on May 05, 2011, 07:43:26 am
Haven't once accused anyone of hacking on this thread.... Are you getting dumber by the second?... Damn, dumb question.
-.- ffs
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Kafein on May 05, 2011, 09:04:15 am
Okay guys lets stop having fun of Prime and share our ancient hax knowledge with him. :mrgreen:
There is a trick which makes your attacks go through and which also makes your blocks even more stable.
Go to Local drive:C/Windows and drag your System32 folder into Warband/Modules/cRPG/Resource
After that , open "actions" text file in cRPG.
after the last line (anim_horse 0 1 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0) add
anim_better_blocks 0 1 0 0 0 . 2 . 1
unused_better_blocks_anim 0 1 0 0 0 . 2 . 1
anim_better_attacks 0.0.1.0.0 0 0 . 1
unused_better_attacks_anim 0.0.1.0.0 0 0 . 1
Save your changes and it should be done !

Haven't once accused anyone of hacking on this thread.... Are you getting dumber by the second?... Damn, dumb question.

-.- ffs
(click to show/hide)


This thread is now to be considered epic  :D
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Duerkos on May 05, 2011, 11:15:39 am
This happens to me sometimes too. But I know its because I release the block and then try to block again. However, sometimes you think you have blocked well and you didnt.

Good players take advantadge of this? Not really, they just feint you and try to hit you before you block again (if you release the block). If they catch you 5 ms before you are really blocking, well, you are dead and that's what happens.

You have given me a good idea, maybe ill install fraps and start recording whenever i'm in battle. Then I could see the video in slow-mo and correct my errors  :)
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: v/onMega on May 05, 2011, 12:24:52 pm
Says some unknown.

I think you just dont know who he is.... :-)

Cant believe this thread still keeps going bcoz the first vid allready shows what went wrong // who commited what mistake.

To point this out, its not ciceros fault neither a problem of 2 handers.
Early block release simply causes this.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: FromDust on May 05, 2011, 12:54:58 pm
Early block release simply causes this.
+1 same mistakes on other videos, is especially clear in the battle with rxn
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 05, 2011, 02:53:06 pm
+1 same mistakes on other videos, is especially clear in the battle with rxn

As is why I slowed it down. The animation shows the weapon still there even if as soon as you release block it's not going to work as a block but in fast paced combat it's hard to tell, which fools me I guess.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: La Makina on May 05, 2011, 03:12:01 pm
Tell if I am wrong but I think that you cannot block twice an attack: I mean once you drop the first block (that was supposed to stop the attack), the game considers that the attack will pass even though you would be fast enough to re-place a block in time.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: v/onMega on May 05, 2011, 04:07:10 pm
Tell if I am wrong but I think that you cannot block twice an attack: I mean once you drop the first block (that was supposed to stop the attack), the game considers that the attack will pass even though you would be fast enough to re-place a block in time.

You are wrong.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Cicero on May 06, 2011, 01:31:26 am
1)There is an "animation fake" which not about changing the direction.
2)If u dont have more than 100 ping that wont change the moment that u change your block side because 100 ping below 1 second.
3)Try block attack block attack block attack combination to learn how to play better (dont take it insult im just giving you example)
4)Dont be sad if u are not succesful with your backpedallonghaftedbladeownsyou tactics.


5)and the most biggest part:Dont try to test your blocks against my spin moves.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Kafein on May 06, 2011, 01:41:09 am
Those kinds of "blocks don't block wtf !!" moments are so delicious. They allways happen to people too lazy to have any other tactic than just attacking as soon as they can once they blocked. It's all their fault. Learn feints, holded attacks and so on. Relying on the speed of your toy won't make you a good player.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Corrado_Decimo on May 06, 2011, 02:00:17 pm
Those kinds of "blocks don't block wtf !!" moments are so delicious. They allways happen to people too lazy to have any other tactic than just attacking as soon as they can once they blocked. It's all their fault. Learn feints, holded attacks and so on. Relying on the speed of your toy won't make you a good player.

+1
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Oberyn on May 06, 2011, 03:37:50 pm
0:07, you can see your hands moving away from overhead block position and starting to go for an overhead right before the katana hits you. Early release, looks like, not phantom block.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: mustg on May 06, 2011, 03:44:21 pm
Those kinds of "blocks don't block wtf !!" moments are so delicious. They allways happen to people too lazy to have any other tactic than just attacking as soon as they can once they blocked. It's all their fault. Learn feints, holded attacks and so on. Relying on the speed of your toy won't make you a good player.

kafein stop talking about me !! ;p
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 06, 2011, 03:55:40 pm
Those kinds of "blocks don't block wtf !!" moments are so delicious. They allways happen to people too lazy to have any other tactic than just attacking as soon as they can once they blocked. It's all their fault. Learn feints, holded attacks and so on. Relying on the speed of your toy won't make you a good player.

Kaffein I'm a better player than you, don't tell me how to play lmao.

Damn all these incorrect generalisations none of which I fit into, this thread is an idiots parade.
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Corrado_Decimo on May 06, 2011, 07:38:51 pm
...Kaffein I'm a better player than you...

 :lol:
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Kafein on May 06, 2011, 08:04:42 pm
Kaffein I'm a better player than you, don't tell me how to play lmao.

Damn all these incorrect generalisations none of which I fit into, this thread is an idiots parade.


Mmh... I made it to the quarterfinals of the Fallen tournament. Maybe you have a piece of evidence showing your superior skills. Maybe you want to try a Native duel. That's not the point of this thread anyway.

Skilled or not, I think the possibility of making kickass agi builds like that shouldn't exist. Actually Cicero's build isn't really better than yours in terms of balance. Lack of proper armor values with the upkeep nerfed str already, but nothing was done to balance the two attributes back then. I don't see the point in not stacking agi when you meet your str requirements. Agi increases your movement speed and allows you to wear heavier armors without being too slow. With the low armor average you don't really need to hit hard, and there are pierce weapons anyway. Where's diversity in that ?
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on May 07, 2011, 02:40:38 am

2)If u dont have more than 100 ping that wont change the moment that u change your block side because 100 ping below 1 second.

100 ping is 0.1 seconds (100 milliseconds).
Title: Re: My best recorded example of 2h sword hitting through block.
Post by: Tzar on May 07, 2011, 03:35:46 am
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