24 April, it`s the official day of that black day for the Armenians..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A1emayyhmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z9CeLBi64Q
yes...the genocide never happened..
I was being sarcastic
That kind of Genocide certainly did not happened, and proofless . But you know what, i wouldn't regret if it happened, since Armenians raped pregnant Turkish women and children and burned people in Kars. Also if Turkish really wanted to Genocide Armenians, there would be no Armenia today! ( wololol )
Worst and most stupid comment if you are serious.
Its in German sorry Pano$
If you guys dont stop making Turks mad, there will be a Helenic Genocide soon :D
The Greeks were never responsible for any genocide .
Sorry, not everyone can be like Turkey and Germany :rolleyes:
Any people that have made considerable conquests in the past are guilty of massacres. Massacres does not mean genocide, though.
That applies to chocolate chip cookies aswell, if we go by your logic :?
Any people that have made considerable conquests in the past are guilty of massacres. Massacres does not mean genocide, though.
This is the meaning of history, to try to learn from our past. The rest is only relevant to patriotism which, past a certain point, becomes very stupid.History also occasionally has some interesting stories as well.
Any people that have made considerable conquests in the past are guilty of massacres. Massacres does not mean genocide, though.
That applies to chocolate chip cookies aswell, if we go by your logic :?
A genocide is a specific type of massacre, the massacre of the people has a specific purpose behind it, to do with their ethnic group or religion or colour etc etc
and also as far as I can tell, genocide is systematic while on the other hand massacre is nondiscriminatory, kill anyone and everyone that is around.
I think it's what they are taught in school.It is.
It is.
It's also illegal to say that it was a "genocide" in Turkey.
That is mostly used for middle-eastern countries, not for europe.
Well, the so-called genocide happened in 24 April 1915, thats 8 years before the declaration of Turkish Republic. So Mustafa Kemal has no parts in those "pogroms".Turkish Government says there were no such thing, because there are no proofs of it.
300.000 Armenian died during the Relocation. ACCORDING TO ARMENIAN BOOKS 1.400.000 Turkish died, in Armenian terrorism.
This topic is interesting and made me do some research.
Its used by people from middle-eastern, like Turkey, who conquered all those countries under the Ottoman Empire, its only normal that they label it differently (could be seen as a "its still a part of our empire" or just "we know them").
Whatever happened, it was under the Ottoman Empire that it happened, like you just said in the quote.
Why does the people of the republic of Turkey still feel concerned about an event that happened in the era of the Ottoman Empire?
You use the "terrorism" word when the Turkish people dies. How were they killed ? Suicide bomb ? Or army against army ?
And then 300.000 people die during the Relocation. They died in what circonstances ?
I think both the genocide term and the terrorist term are wrongly used here.
The armenian people tried to reform the Great-Armenia around its historical golden age border for a long time, and it caused tension with Ottoman Empire/Turkey and Russia for centuries.
Both countries tried to keep control of their population and keeping their nation strong.
It was rebels/civilian against the Sultan and the Tzar.
It happened hundreds of times, in hundreds of countries, in all history, under hundreds of motives and words: the strong killed the weak (pogroms, pillages, war, extermination, massacre, slaughter, battles, cleaning, murder, civil war, etc...).
It still happens today, in the modern era, under other words. See whats happening in some African countries, in Palestine/Israel, Georgia/Tchetchenia... Nothing new here, nor to be ashamed of, we are what we are.
Then, another question; how do you explain your numbers : 1.400.000 dead on Turkish side, 300.000 on Armenian side.
Armenia wasnt in control of the Ottoman Empire government and regular forces and had a civilation population of a few millions.
Ottoman Empire had the gov + the army.
How did they killed 5 times more army/civilian than they lost rebels/civilian ?
It would mean almost each Armenian killed one Turk. Something is wrong here.
Its used by people from middle-eastern, like Turkey, who conquered all those countries under the Ottoman Empire, its only normal that they label it differently (could be seen as a "its still a part of our empire" or just "we know them").
That sounds offensive like hell.
We are not part of your "empire".
It's not the 16th century any more.
Hello Mr.Christo, how is the weather in Hungarystan today? :twisted:(click to show/hide)
WE never conquered. WE liberated. Mighty Ottoman Empire will return and will save you all from tyranny. Rest assured people of -stans.PRAISE THE SULTAN(click to show/hide)
WE never conquered. WE liberated. Mighty Ottoman Empire will return and will save you all from tyranny. Rest assured people of -stans.(click to show/hide)
That sounds offensive like hell.
We are not part of your "empire".
It's not the 16th century any more.
The armenian people tried to reform the Great-Armenia around its historical golden age border for a long time, and it caused tension with Ottoman Empire/Turkey and Russia for centuries.
Both countries tried to keep control of their population and keeping their nation strong.
It was rebels/civilian against the Sultan and the Tzar.
It happened hundreds of times, in hundreds of countries, in all history, under hundreds of motives and words: the strong killed the weak (pogroms, pillages, war, extermination, massacre, slaughter, battles, cleaning, murder, civil war, etc...).
It still happens today, in the modern era, under other words. See whats happening in some African countries, in Palestine/Israel, Georgia/Tchetchenia... Nothing new here, nor to be ashamed of, we are what we are.
I find it particularly ironic when you consider how pissed off so many turks get when you call Istanbul "Constantinople".
It's always about bigger fish eating smaller fish. You can try to make a moral story out of it and make someone look better than the others, but beneath the civilized facade humans still are animals and that shows in every war.
There really isn't any greater goal for humans other than reproducing and spreading. Evolution helps us to achieve that goal.
we evolved into smart living beings.
Leshma by that interpretation all life is a "virus". Like Panos says, the only difference is humans are just much, much better at it than all other lifeforms. We're still beholden to "nature" in many ways, but our greatest glory is in trying to escape the darwinian wheelhouse that all other life on earth is shackled by. Everything that is considered progress, not only in material manipulation (agriculture, domestication, science in general) but also in politics/social terms, is directly opposed to what is "natural". I can't stand neo-malthusian misanthropic hippies who embrace appeal to nature fallacies. Natural =/= good. When people start making arguments along those lines it makes me want to chuck them in the Amazon on their own with no other human help.
edit: Also many, many species have come to dominate over others, and then disappeared, or evolved down a different path. Nature is not in a constant state of perfect equilibrium. It is a chaotic war of life that is never stable, if you take a long enough view. The entire history of humanity is barely a blip when you consider the emergence of life in general.
All animals reproduce and spread, not only humans, the difference between humans and other animals, is that we evolved into smart living beings.