Armenian Genocide.

[Christo]

What the hell?

Bulgaristan?

Magaristan?

That is just damn weird.

[zagibu]

Stan just means "country", so, country of the Bulgari, country of the Magari, etc.

[Christo]

Yeah yeah but still.

That is mostly used for middle-eastern countries, not for europe.

It sounds very offensive in a way if you think of the Ottoman Empire's former borders and look at the name of the countries on the other side..

[Gnjus]

Gökdeniz Karadeniz ftw.

[Butan]

This topic is interesting and made me do some research.

That is mostly used for middle-eastern countries, not for europe.

Its used by people from middle-eastern, like Turkey, who conquered all those countries under the Ottoman Empire, its only normal that they label it differently (could be seen as a "its still a part of our empire" or just "we know them").

Well, the so-called genocide happened in 24 April 1915, thats 8 years before the declaration of Turkish Republic. So Mustafa Kemal has no parts in those "pogroms".Turkish Government says there were no such thing, because there are no proofs of it.

Whatever happened, it was under the Ottoman Empire that it happened, like you just said in the quote.
Why does the people of the republic of Turkey still feel concerned about an event that happened in the era of the Ottoman Empire?

300.000 Armenian died during the Relocation. ACCORDING TO ARMENIAN BOOKS 1.400.000 Turkish died, in Armenian terrorism.

You use the "terrorism" word when the Turkish people dies.  How were they killed ? Suicide bomb ? Or army against army ?
And then 300.000 people die during the Relocation. They died in what circonstances ?

I think both the genocide term and the terrorist term are wrongly used here.

The armenian people tried to reform the Great-Armenia around its historical golden age border for a long time, and it caused tension with Ottoman Empire/Turkey and Russia for centuries.
Both countries tried to keep control of their population and keeping their nation strong.
It was rebels/civilian against the Sultan and the Tzar.
It happened hundreds of times, in hundreds of countries, in all history, under hundreds of motives and words: the strong killed the weak (pogroms, pillages, war, extermination, massacre, slaughter, battles, cleaning, murder, civil war, etc...).
It still happens today, in the modern era, under other words. See whats happening in some African countries, in Palestine/Israel, Georgia/Tchetchenia... Nothing new here, nor to be ashamed of, we are what we are.



Then, another question; how do you explain your numbers : 1.400.000 dead on Turkish side, 300.000 on Armenian side.
Armenia wasnt in control of the Ottoman Empire government and regular forces and had a civilation population of a few millions.
Ottoman Empire had the gov + the army.

How did they killed 5 times more army/civilian than they lost rebels/civilian ?
It would mean almost each Armenian killed one Turk. Something is wrong here.

[the real god emperor]

This topic is interesting and made me do some research.



Its used by people from middle-eastern, like Turkey, who conquered all those countries under the Ottoman Empire, its only normal that they label it differently (could be seen as a "its still a part of our empire" or just "we know them").



Whatever happened, it was under the Ottoman Empire that it happened, like you just said in the quote.
Why does the people of the republic of Turkey still feel concerned about an event that happened in the era of the Ottoman Empire?


You use the "terrorism" word when the Turkish people dies.  How were they killed ? Suicide bomb ? Or army against army ?
And then 300.000 people die during the Relocation. They died in what circonstances ?

I think both the genocide term and the terrorist term are wrongly used here.

The armenian people tried to reform the Great-Armenia around its historical golden age border for a long time, and it caused tension with Ottoman Empire/Turkey and Russia for centuries.
Both countries tried to keep control of their population and keeping their nation strong.
It was rebels/civilian against the Sultan and the Tzar.
It happened hundreds of times, in hundreds of countries, in all history, under hundreds of motives and words: the strong killed the weak (pogroms, pillages, war, extermination, massacre, slaughter, battles, cleaning, murder, civil war, etc...).
It still happens today, in the modern era, under other words. See whats happening in some African countries, in Palestine/Israel, Georgia/Tchetchenia... Nothing new here, nor to be ashamed of, we are what we are.



Then, another question; how do you explain your numbers : 1.400.000 dead on Turkish side, 300.000 on Armenian side.
Armenia wasnt in control of the Ottoman Empire government and regular forces and had a civilation population of a few millions.
Ottoman Empire had the gov + the army.

How did they killed 5 times more army/civilian than they lost rebels/civilian ?
It would mean almost each Armenian killed one Turk. Something is wrong here.

First of all, "-İstan" means "realm", non like English, in our language, we dont call people as where they live. Eg : Italia , Italian , we do the opposite. Eg : Macar (Hungarian) Macaristan ( Hungarian Realm )- ( The country with Hungarian people ) or Hırvat ( Croatian ) Hırvatistan ( Croatian Realm ) Yunan ( Greek ) Yunanistan ( Greek Realm ) etc...

-Why does the people of the republic of Turkey still feel concerned about an event that happened in the era of the Ottoman Empire?

+Because there is an international agreement about punishments of genocides, which can be money or land, so Armenians claiming Northwestern Turkey , and blaming us with a Genocide.

-You use the "terrorism" word when the Turkish people dies.  How were they killed ? Suicide bomb ? Or army against army ?
And then 300.000 people die during the Relocation. They died in what circonstances ?

+I used the terrorism word because, during WW1, Ottoman Empire screwed up , Russia was one of the biggest enemies ofc -until Bolsheviks- , and Armenians were with Russians, whenever Russia captures somewhere in Minor-Asia; Armenians came with them and "slaughtered" people, slaughter, because they did not see any difference between people and dogs.When Armenians wanted to open graves to prove the Genocide, researchers only found Turkish graves.When Bolsheviks came to the power in Russia, and removed "Tzarship" , Russia made an agreement with Ottoman Empire - peace agr. - then Russia removed their forces from Minor Asia. Then OE made their move, and broke Armenian rebellion, arrested or killed armed rebels.Then as precaution, they wanted to relocate civillian Armenians to Syria, 300.000 people died from diseases, cold , sickness , or terrorist attacks ( Thats what the current government of Turkey says, they dont have an official thesis about the Genocide yet, so they use this words for it.No one can be sure, they may be killed 300.000 Armenian, or what they say can be the truth ) . If you count babies and civillian, i think 1.400.000 is a fair count.

Also thanks for asking and commenting impartially!

[Christo]

Its used by people from middle-eastern, like Turkey, who conquered all those countries under the Ottoman Empire, its only normal that they label it differently (could be seen as a "its still a part of our empire" or just "we know them").

That sounds offensive like hell.

We are not part of your "empire".

It's not the 16th century any more.

[Butan]

Golden Age nostalgia gets everyone 

But seems like I was wrong anyway, Kratos answered your question.

[Lars]

That sounds offensive like hell.

We are not part of your "empire".

It's not the 16th century any more.

Hello Mr.Christo, how is the weather in Hungarystan today? 

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[Christo]

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[Araxiel]

WE never conquered. WE liberated. Mighty Ottoman Empire will return and will save you all from tyranny. Rest assured people of -stans.

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Joke. Don't get all mad.

[the real god emperor]

WE never conquered. WE liberated. Mighty Ottoman Empire will return and will save you all from tyranny. Rest assured people of -stans.

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Joke. Don't get all mad.

PRAISE THE SULTAN

[Casimir]

WE never conquered. WE liberated. Mighty Ottoman Empire will return and will save you all from tyranny. Rest assured people of -stans.

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Joke. Don't get all mad.

Great Britainstan awaits the mighty liberation forces.

[bredeus]

First deal with Potatoes

[Leshma]

That sounds offensive like hell.

We are not part of your "empire".

It's not the 16th century any more.

Turks still call us Serbistan. I find it cute.

The armenian people tried to reform the Great-Armenia around its historical golden age border for a long time, and it caused tension with Ottoman Empire/Turkey and Russia for centuries.
Both countries tried to keep control of their population and keeping their nation strong.
It was rebels/civilian against the Sultan and the Tzar.
It happened hundreds of times, in hundreds of countries, in all history, under hundreds of motives and words: the strong killed the weak (pogroms, pillages, war, extermination, massacre, slaughter, battles, cleaning, murder, civil war, etc...).
It still happens today, in the modern era, under other words. See whats happening in some African countries, in Palestine/Israel, Georgia/Tchetchenia... Nothing new here, nor to be ashamed of, we are what we are.

Exactly. Same thing almost happened on Kosovo, but before Serbia managed to "deal" with terrorists (from Serbian point of view, they consider themselves as freedom fighters), NATO (USA) "intervened" (tactical bombing). After that Serbians fled from Kosovo because they knew their country has no power over that land. Before bombing there were mass graves filled with Albanians, after the bombing many Serbs were killed (Albanians too but we don't hear about it in the news).

It's always about bigger fish eating smaller fish. You can try to make a moral story out of it and make someone look better than the others, but beneath the civilized facade humans still are animals and that shows in every war.

Kosovo "incident" went this way: at first Serbia was a bigger fish and Kosovo Abanians smaller fish, then came the shark (NATO) and former big fish fled the scene. Smaller fish tagged along with the shark and is now a victor. Prime minister of Kosovo is terrorist leader or freedom fighter or revolutionary or whatever  you want to call him. But his true calling is a killer, just like most national leaders in human history.