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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Anita_Henjaab on April 11, 2013, 02:43:11 pm

Title: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Anita_Henjaab on April 11, 2013, 02:43:11 pm
I heard yesterday from a long time Axe fanatic that a Great long Axe is the best (due to having way more damage compared to the others, but its slow - nothing a higher agi build can't fix).

A long war axe appearently is better than a long axe as the long axe glaces a lot and is shorter, the long war axe does have way less damage then the great axe.

So if I can conclude, a long axe is worthless?

What are you opinions: Does one glance more than another? Are both the long (war) axes too low of damage to be any good?

Greets!
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Gurnisson on April 11, 2013, 02:45:49 pm
Long Axe is definitely not worthless. The extreme speed, coupled with a very solid damage makes it a great weapon, much like a longsword, in fact.
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Anita_Henjaab on April 11, 2013, 02:53:34 pm
Well that was another thing, blunt is better appearently for thrust damage then cut? (plus i think 16 blunt gives the same damage as 20 cut)... :)
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on April 11, 2013, 02:54:54 pm
Great. (A weapon with this word in it must be great)
Long. (Longer is better!)
Axe. (Axe... axes are great)

Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Joseph Porta on April 11, 2013, 03:22:56 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on April 11, 2013, 02:45:49 pm
Long Axe is definitely not worthless. The extreme speed, coupled with a very solid damage makes it a great weapon, much like a longsword, in fact.
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and its far more prettier!
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Torben on April 11, 2013, 03:26:23 pm
they are all great as soon as you spent some time to get to work around their weekneses and strengths.
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 11, 2013, 04:16:13 pm
Long War Axe is superior to the Great Long Axe, and I'd even prefer the Long Axe over the GLA.  94 speed for LWA, 97 speed for LA and only 91 speed on GLA...

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123 length versus 125 is negligible, and when you're over 30 cut damage, I would give up 3 cut damage for 3 speed any day of the week.  I don't see how any can justify using the GLA over the LWA, it's an obvious choice to me.

*EDIT #2*

I see LA is only 12 strength...and still does 41 cut, I'm thinking a 12/27 char (1 IF, 4 PS, 9 Ath, 9 WM, 181 polearms WPF) might be a really fun build to try out (would be fast and still do a decent amount of damage from the base damage of the long axe)
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Kafein on April 11, 2013, 05:43:47 pm
All three are OP because the animations skip frames, with the visible effect of hitting before the weapon model collides with its target. Also speed doesn't matter to a GLA because of the epic hiltslashing you'll be doing all the time with 45c.
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Tor! on April 11, 2013, 05:54:41 pm
GLA was reworked couple of times long ago, to the point where the long war axe became the better choice  :(
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Tibe on April 11, 2013, 06:04:10 pm
I like the long axe. I used it occasionally when I felt like going polearm. The immense speed, with somewhat okay range, damage and sheildbreaking makes it damn able weapon. However, for oblivious reasons its not as able on taking on cav as well as its cousins. But then again the speed enables you to spam lot more efficiently than with others. They are pretty situational weapons imo.
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Grumbs on April 11, 2013, 06:34:09 pm
I think they are relatively balanced with each other, just pick one and get used to its range and speed. If I had to pick one based on stats, it would probably be Great Long Axe just because I generally prefer damage and reach over speed when its only a few points. But I would use Long War Axe because its cheaper and similar to GLA. Long Axe is just too short imo

Still would rather use Long Bardiche because of damage and length. The speed is good enough imo
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Patoson on April 11, 2013, 06:38:24 pm
Quote from: Kafein on April 11, 2013, 05:43:47 pm
All three are OP because the animations skip frames, with the visible effect of hitting before the weapon model collides with its target.
I've been saying this for such a long time and nobody believed me. I've always had a lot of trouble blocking these weapons (probably harder for me due to relatively high ping).

OP: Long Axe is extremely fast now. And the GLA isn't as great as the name says, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Gurnisson on April 11, 2013, 06:44:40 pm
Quote from: Kafein on April 11, 2013, 05:43:47 pm
All three are OP because the animations skip frames, with the visible effect of hitting before the weapon model collides with its target. Also speed doesn't matter to a GLA because of the epic hiltslashing you'll be doing all the time with 45c.

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Uses an elite scimitar, talks about broken and op weapons.

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Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Espwn on April 11, 2013, 06:48:19 pm
Long War Axe best axe.  :mrgreen:

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Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Riddaren on April 11, 2013, 07:20:59 pm
The GLA is my favourite. I think length and damage is worth more than speed. It's also the best looking axe imo.
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Kafein on April 11, 2013, 07:23:37 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on April 11, 2013, 06:44:40 pm
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Sure, compared to 95% of 1h, the elite scimitar is a great, easy to use weapon with balanced stats (I have been using my military hammer instead lately though). But compared to a poleaxe ? To a glaive ? To a longsword/HBS ? Seriously ?
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 11, 2013, 07:25:39 pm
This thread is pretty much confirming it what I've noticed from strat battles and pubbing, EU prefers GLA, NA prefers LWA.

You really want 3 more damage than 3 more speed and 2 less length?  We're already talking over 40 cut for each, and over 120 length for each...Ya'll cray cray (and not very good at comparing stats of weapons).

But like Grumbs said, the long bardiche is better than all 3 of these (IMO as well), 89 speed is fine when you have 140 length (damage is irrelevant to me, because again, it's all over 40cut)
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: oprah_winfrey on April 11, 2013, 07:37:30 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on April 11, 2013, 07:25:39 pm
You really want 3 more damage than 3 more speed and 2 less length?  We're already talking over 40 cut for each, and over 120 length for each...Ya'll cray cray (and not very good at comparing stats of weapons).

I feel like speed isn't as important on polearms. Specifically ones that aren't absurdly fast. Most of the animation is in chambering the weapon and not the swing afterwards. By turning into your swings, you can offset most of the slow weapon speed.

That being said, the LWA is pretty sweet and I have never used the GLA.
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Teeth on April 11, 2013, 08:43:28 pm
Quote from: Kulin_ban on April 11, 2013, 02:50:47 pm
Long axe also has nicer 20 cut thrust, compared to 16 blunt thrust in rest of the two.
lolwut?
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Son Of Odin on April 11, 2013, 08:50:13 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on April 11, 2013, 06:44:40 pm
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Dis! 1000 times this!

Kafein pls...
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Shemaforash on April 11, 2013, 09:47:44 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on April 11, 2013, 06:44:40 pm
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Elite scimitar is nowhere broken or overpowered.

Long War Axe is the best polearm axe

Long axe, my bad, compared it before but forgot which one it was :P
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Son Of Odin on April 11, 2013, 10:52:40 pm
Quote from: Shemaforash on April 11, 2013, 09:47:44 pm
Elite scimitar is nowhere broken or overpowered.
Well neither is any of these 3 axes. If we start being really specific about animation/hitbox flaws I guess elite scimi takes the cake here. It isn't op but it's just fucking retarded sometimes because the hit connects a mile before the actual model (all weapon hitboxes are straight.)
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Shemaforash on April 11, 2013, 11:05:44 pm
Quote from: Son Of Odin on April 11, 2013, 10:52:40 pm
Well neither is any of these 3 axes. If we start being really specific about animation/hitbox flaws I guess elite scimi takes the cake here. It isn't op but it's just fucking retarded sometimes because the hit connects a mile before the actual model (all weapon hitboxes are straight.)

I never mentioned anything about these poleaxes being broken or whatsoever, animations aren't really a problem atm personally.
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Joseph Porta on April 12, 2013, 02:54:36 am
Quote from: Riddaren on April 11, 2013, 07:20:59 pm
It's also the best looking axe imo.
by best looking you mean fake and gay I assume? :P
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Kafein on April 12, 2013, 04:40:30 pm
Quote from: Son Of Odin on April 11, 2013, 10:52:40 pm
Well neither is any of these 3 axes. If we start being really specific about animation/hitbox flaws I guess elite scimi takes the cake here. It isn't op but it's just fucking retarded sometimes because the hit connects a mile before the actual model (all weapon hitboxes are straight.)

For the same reason, those three axes (and many other polearms for that matter, glaive first) behave in a completely retarded way. You ever been hit by an invisible stick with a 45 degrees advance on the actual weapon model ? That is exactly what happens with LWAs. The issue with the scimitar is misleading reach, and hitting slightly before when it should when at the very tip of the reach (which won't happen unless as the person with the longest reach, you run towards your enemy like a retard). The engine problems related to these polearms are orders of magnitude greater in severity. This specific frame skipping problem means blocking those weapons just in time (that is, starting to block after the swing has been released) is almost frame perfect (and needless to say, not going to work with the slightest bit of lag).
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Necrorave on April 12, 2013, 05:09:01 pm
Quote from: Anita_Henjaab on April 11, 2013, 02:43:11 pm
So if I can conclude, a long axe is worthless?

Definitely not.  People never consider the length of things which annoys me.  Not to mention the damage difference is only by 1 (Swings at least).

Giving up one damage and a little length for speed.  Sounds reasonable to me.

Less length means less bouncing off the guy behind you instead of hitting your target.  (Short swords all the way brah)
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Spa_geh_tea on April 12, 2013, 06:57:42 pm
Long axe is the best speed
Long war axe is the best looks
Great long axe is the best damage

Balanced to eachother!
Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Torben on April 12, 2013, 07:02:41 pm
selling/trading +3 long war axe btw. 
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Title: Re: Long axe vs Great long axe vs Long war Axe
Post by: Jarlek on April 12, 2013, 09:49:06 pm
Quote from: Torben on April 12, 2013, 07:02:41 pm
selling/trading +3 long war axe btw. 
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If I'd read this a week ago I would be trying to buy the Long War Axe from you, but now...
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