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Title: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Kafein on March 30, 2013, 10:15:09 pm
I felt this thread was lacking on this side of the ocean. There is only one ocean.
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: the real god emperor on March 30, 2013, 10:16:48 pm
Of course................................. No you dont know him................................................Or maybe you do......................................................Soldier!

cuz ivani is so mainstream
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Post by: Macropus on March 30, 2013, 10:17:26 pm
If someone does good - he's not a bad player.  :|
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on March 30, 2013, 10:18:45 pm
Kafein is my favorite bad player
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Post by: Kafein on March 30, 2013, 10:18:59 pm
If someone does good - he's not a bad player.  :|

Tell me NIKI_BG is a good player with a straight face.

Kafein is my favorite bad player

I am flattered  :D
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Macropus on March 30, 2013, 10:24:50 pm
Tell me NIKI_BG is a good player with a straight face.
I've no idea who is that. But if you admit he gets a lot of kills/points in battle, why would you think he's bad?..
The only thing I can think about what you mean is being very high lvl with fully loomed gear which makes getting kills much easier, but still anyone who got 34+ lvl isn't really bad.
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Post by: BarBeQ on March 30, 2013, 10:29:12 pm
I can just think of any Newbie Archer, they just shoot somewhere and BAM headshot.
 First Reaction in chat " lol druzhina aimbotzz !1!!!1".
 But they dont even intend to hit anything.
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Post by: Micah on March 30, 2013, 10:42:01 pm
Sorokopud from SB . actually one of the best 1h i know , plus a decent  guy afaik.. sadly cant say that of most other SB members .. but i really like that one guy ^^
edit: oh wait , this thread is about bad guys that somewhat do good lol. Silly drunk posts =_=" Anyways , bad guy that somewhat does good umm ... thats propably me i guess xD i only do good at very few occasions ... but in the end im a pretty calm player and i love many ppl in the game ... *should remove that post but cant*
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Post by: obitus on March 30, 2013, 10:46:00 pm
my favorite are everyone who is cavalry, because according to everyone cav are bad and they somehow does good
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Post by: Havelle on March 30, 2013, 10:47:58 pm
I would like to shamelessly nominate myself.
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Post by: Razzer on March 30, 2013, 10:59:10 pm
Byzantium_Chase, pretty bad but sometimes has his moments...
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8-)
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Post by: Malaclypse on March 30, 2013, 11:05:19 pm
I would like to shamelessly nominate myself.

Europe only you fat American cheezeburger.
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Post by: Havelle on March 30, 2013, 11:12:34 pm
I would like to withdraw my nomination on the grounds I am fat and American.
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Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on March 30, 2013, 11:12:45 pm
Bunch of filthy Yuropoor thread thieves.
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Post by: Knitler on March 30, 2013, 11:14:04 pm
Kinngrimm has to be here :-D
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Post by: Goretooth on March 30, 2013, 11:28:31 pm
My old black armor.
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Post by: Gurnisson on March 31, 2013, 12:53:08 am
Niten Doraku
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Post by: Logen on March 31, 2013, 01:26:30 am
gurnissun
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Post by: Chris_the_Animal on March 31, 2013, 01:28:17 am
chadz
bad player with a banhammer  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Shemaforash on March 31, 2013, 03:10:10 am
rantrex and other 2h heroes
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 31, 2013, 03:12:59 am
rantrex and other 2h heroes
So... ...Bjord?
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Post by: Shemaforash on March 31, 2013, 03:13:44 am
lol
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Post by: Exitialis on March 31, 2013, 03:39:17 am
I'm bad, because I kill peasants. But I'm also good, because I kill knights as well.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 31, 2013, 03:48:14 am
all twohanders and hoplites.
especially str cunts that spam their war cleaver in a full 360 degree circle around them and are a danger to come close to as teammate
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Post by: isatis on March 31, 2013, 04:00:09 am
I would like to nominate no_rules

Why? because each time I played in YouRope I saw him pretenging to be an innocent guy and then BOOM he would get out some long awlpike off his ass and start poking people!

Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 31, 2013, 04:06:34 am
I would like to nominate no_rules

Why? because each time I played in YouRope I saw him pretenging to be an innocent guy and then BOOM he would get out some long awlpike off his ass and start poking people!


people actually believed it :D
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: isatis on March 31, 2013, 04:27:48 am
I nominate people for Europe best bad player that somehow does good!
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Post by: Sultan Eren on March 31, 2013, 04:32:50 am
Butan
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Casimir on March 31, 2013, 04:36:56 am
Parre because although he is not MLG pro crpg player like me he has learned many things by watching me when in spectator.
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Post by: Bazinga on March 31, 2013, 04:45:04 am
Definitely Keech.
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Post by: autobus on March 31, 2013, 09:25:35 am
ArtemRUS
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Post by: Molly on March 31, 2013, 09:39:21 am
ArtemRUS
ArtemRUS is clearly a good player doing good! D:
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Kafein on March 31, 2013, 10:11:34 am
I've no idea who is that. But if you admit he gets a lot of kills/points in battle, why would you think he's bad?..
The only thing I can think about what you mean is being very high lvl with fully loomed gear which makes getting kills much easier, but still anyone who got 34+ lvl isn't really bad.

That particular guy doesn't pull off a great score on a regular basis. But his high str 2h build combined with the sheer will of not blocking anything does catch people unaware sometimes. Also the ability to run circles randomly into a flock of enemies while swinging wildly. The stats only add to the fact that those types get utterly destroyed in chaos-free situations.
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Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on March 31, 2013, 01:16:12 pm
me meeee meeee please meeeeeeeee. let me be in a thread like this pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
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Post by: Mlekce on March 31, 2013, 01:28:23 pm
I would nominate myself. Most of people would beat me in duels,and i am not that good melee blocker (i know to block,but i am not pro at it),but i always menage to be in top 5-6 players in my team in EU1. :D
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Post by: Everkistus on March 31, 2013, 01:38:57 pm
In b4 everyone nominates themselves.
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Post by: Lactose_the_intolerant on March 31, 2013, 01:42:58 pm
In b4 everyone nominates themselves.

too late
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Post by: Shemaforash on March 31, 2013, 02:37:18 pm
Parre because although he is not MLG pro crpg player like me he has learned many things by watching me when in spectator.

Parre is actually better than the majority of cRPG players, knows what he's doing :)
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Post by: Casimir on March 31, 2013, 02:45:35 pm
That's when I'm on TS telling him what to do.
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Post by: Kansuke on March 31, 2013, 03:38:31 pm
Logen.
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Post by: Patoson on March 31, 2013, 03:48:06 pm
Uther.
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Post by: Teeth on March 31, 2013, 04:42:00 pm
ArtemRUS
You don't do good with 160 ping if you are bad.
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Tibe on March 31, 2013, 06:09:03 pm
_Soldier

He's aways in some silly place were noone ever looks with his loomed cbow that can end me with 1 shot. And if thats not enough, now he found out that rondeldagger/shield combo is a dream come true to those who lack any fighting skills. Keep up the good work, you damn asshole. :lol:
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Post by: bagge on March 31, 2013, 06:20:50 pm
Teeth, my Sith Acolyte. Still have much to learn, but does good sometimes.
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Post by: Tindel on March 31, 2013, 10:25:22 pm
This thread is fucking stupid.

Bad players dont "do good".  If a player does well regularly it means he is good. Maybe not at everything, but at "his" thing.


Got that?

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Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 31, 2013, 10:50:54 pm
Maybe its for the unsung heroes that noone knows about
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Kafein on March 31, 2013, 11:10:33 pm
This thread is fucking stupid.

Bad players dont "do good".  If a player does well regularly it means he is good. Maybe not at everything, but at "his" thing.


Got that?

No, unless you define being good as doing good (in which case the former concept loses its point) those things are linked but different. Effectiveness is very far from being a direct measure of skill as countless other factors influence it. The worst player in the world can have good results with an optimised build and a careless attitude. Mediocre cav and ranged can stack peasant kills. Everybody can avoid fights they don't think they will win, only attack when there is a possibility to gank and so on. All of that is nice, but it isn't skill. If you think having a good str/agi balance, good loomed armor, a long and powerful loomed weapon and swinging mindlessly is part of skill, you are deluded.


Btw I add Dimm76
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Post by: wayyyyyne on March 31, 2013, 11:20:50 pm
I don't know any bad players that do good but I do know bad players that can do well

I think Niten_Doraku has to be my favorite. He's a 35 triple loomed juggernaut swinging his long hafted blade in complete disgregard of his opponents movements.
Also a nice guy overall.
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Riddaren on March 31, 2013, 11:32:55 pm
Everybody can avoid fights they don't think they will win, only attack when there is a possibility to gank and so on. All of that is nice, but it isn't skill.[/b]

Anyone can have good awareness, reaction time, aim and blocking skills etc.
What you talk about is the most important skill of them all. Because if you instantly rush the worst possible opponent in the enemy every round, you will be very ineffective.
I would say the best player is the one with the highest average multiplier.

Wayyyyyne:
Niten doraku is not a bad player. Actually he is one of the best because he is often the most valueable player in his team.
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Post by: Molly on March 31, 2013, 11:43:29 pm
I'm kinda disappointed that nobody mentions me tbh... but maybe my category is more like "bad player doing bad"  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Teeth on April 01, 2013, 12:02:40 am
Teeth, my Sith Acolyte. Still have much to learn, but does good sometimes.
I am your Jedi Master son.
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Post by: Osiris on April 01, 2013, 12:33:43 am
Parre is actually better than the majority of cRPG players, knows what he's doing :)


 swede templars are all pretty good, i blame casimirs secret lessons. Should make a thread for under rated less famous people instead of this confusing bad good thread :-P
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Post by: ThePoopy on April 01, 2013, 12:41:00 am
it's hard to choose favorite among GK and eny hx
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Post by: Nightingale on April 01, 2013, 01:28:11 am
Even though It says YOUROP only etc, I just wanna say any time I see these names on Rosters- (NA strat) I tend to want to be on their side.

Segd, and KMC - both crazy good range players.
I am forgetting onemany of the Druzhina range and I am very sorry. but those names stick out!

I have to give the Kapikulu a shout out for Team killing the whole enemy team for me I love when I get multis because of them, Thank you!

ALMOST FORGOT PANDEMONA- Best M spammer EU

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Post by: Parre on April 01, 2013, 01:33:05 am
That's when I'm on TS telling him what to do.

This. He's my inner voice, telling me how to smash my hand on the keyboard in order to kill my enemies.
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Kafein on April 01, 2013, 02:12:55 am
Anyone can have good awareness, reaction time, aim and blocking skills etc.
What you talk about is the most important skill of them all. Because if you instantly rush the worst possible opponent in the enemy every round, you will be very ineffective.
I would say the best player is the one with the highest average multiplier.

Well yeah that is only in terms of battle win/loss. If your goal is getting better at the game or having fun, you will prefer putting yourself in challenging situations. I'm not talking about systematically rushing alone in battle, more of a middle ground between that and always sticking behind other players.

Wayyyyyne:
Niten doraku is not a bad player. Actually he is one of the best because he is often the most valueable player in his team.

Niten can block when he wants to, and that's about as creative as he can get. I don't know what can he do without his douchebag equipment set.
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Post by: LordLargos on April 01, 2013, 02:33:07 am
Guess my eating habits have removed my ability to post on this thread.
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 01, 2013, 03:46:48 am
Niten can block when he wants to, and that's about as creative as he can get. I don't know what can he do without his douchebag equipment set.
I don't think you've ever actually fought against him if this is your opinion.
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Post by: Korgoth on April 01, 2013, 04:24:54 am
Lactose. Throwing is op.

You're welcome.
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Post by: Gurnisson on April 01, 2013, 06:18:49 am
I don't think you've ever actually fought against him if this is your opinion.

No, he probably hasn't. Everyone knows Niten never tries the right mouse button
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Post by: Rhygar666 on April 01, 2013, 06:23:17 am
i nominate F(a)ilps
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on April 01, 2013, 08:51:50 am
Dimm76
whole that SOF clan gives me the creeps, they run around with high dmg twohanders and spam 360 degree circles around them. they actually manage to kill me from time to time... when im their teammate. its just dangerous to try to help those people. :(
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Post by: Tindel on April 01, 2013, 11:06:52 am
Anyone can have good awareness, reaction time, aim and blocking skills etc.
What you talk about is the most important skill of them all. Because if you instantly rush the worst possible opponent in the enemy every round, you will be very ineffective.
I would say the best player is the one with the highest average multiplier.

Wayyyyyne:
Niten doraku is not a bad player. Actually he is one of the best because he is often the most valueable player in his team.

This man knows what he is talking about.

A easy way to measure skill is by measuring result.
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Tindel on April 01, 2013, 11:20:06 am
No, unless you define being good as doing good (in which case the former concept loses its point) those things are linked but different. Effectiveness is very far from being a direct measure of skill as countless other factors influence it. The worst player in the world can have good results with an optimised build and a careless attitude. Mediocre cav and ranged can stack peasant kills. Everybody can avoid fights they don't think they will win, only attack when there is a possibility to gank and so on. All of that is nice, but it isn't skill. If you think having a good str/agi balance, good loomed armor, a long and powerful loomed weapon and swinging mindlessly is part of skill, you are deluded.


Btw I add Dimm76

Choosing a good build and good gear for that build (or the other way around) is very much a part of the game and is tied into skill yes.
Take a look at the guys who win rounds for their teams, what are they using? How are they playing?
Go to EU1 and spectate the good melee players, see how they do it. I think you will find out that a large part of their success is a good build and gear loadout coupled with awareness and teamplay.

Its very hipster and kewl to run around naked and get oneshot, but you arent helping your team any more than random_peasant01.
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Post by: Macropus on April 01, 2013, 11:31:19 am
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Bad players do bad, good players do well. Anything else is a contradiction.
Ofc only if you consider "doing well" not only  as "manual blocking well", but being effective in battle which is (as people said above) not the same thing.
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Post by: Tibe on April 01, 2013, 11:31:46 am
This man knows what he is talking about.

A easy way to measure skill is by measuring result.

Ofcourse one can never really accurately measure ones skill by simple scores or spectating.
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Post by: bagge on April 01, 2013, 05:18:40 pm
I am your Jedi Master son.

Don't fool yourself :wink:
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Post by: Banok on April 01, 2013, 06:15:35 pm
I nominate every tincan.
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Post by: rufio on April 01, 2013, 06:26:41 pm
common niten dousnt belong on the badplayer side of the equator :wink:
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Post by: Teeth on April 01, 2013, 09:06:41 pm
Siege
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Post by: Kafein on April 01, 2013, 09:46:53 pm
I don't think you've ever actually fought against him if this is your opinion.

I did. Quite a lot actually. Last year, He was as I described.



I think we will get nothing out of this "argument", even though it is a remarkably civil discussion. We aren't discussing what makes a bad player be effective but what is the definition of skill, and that is not what I intented to start with this thread. If skill is defined as effectiveness, then ok, I understand that my grandmother in plate is more skilled than naked me. My point is such a definition is nothing short of completely useless, so stop using it. Let me be more specific : find players that win by playing safe and with an optimized setup yet would lose against the same opponents with random team numbers, builds and equipment.



Finally, I demand satisfaction for this :
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!! Meet you on EU_3, scoundrel !
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Post by: the real god emperor on April 01, 2013, 09:49:05 pm
i believe* some people searched his own nick in this topic - NOT ME! -
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Post by: Riddaren on April 03, 2013, 01:33:44 am
There are things about having an agile build that makes it very easy compared to a strong build and vice versa.
This is something that many players, even good ones, doesn't seem to understand. Instead they judge someone's skill by build and equipment.
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Post by: Tears of Destiny on April 03, 2013, 01:41:04 am
Myself, naturally.
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Post by: Joseph Porta on April 03, 2013, 01:47:14 am
Myself, naturally.
^
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Pandemona on April 10, 2013, 05:15:34 pm
Even though It says YOUROP only etc, I just wanna say any time I see these names on Rosters- (NA strat) I tend to want to be on their side.

Segd, and KMC - both crazy good range players.
I am forgetting onemany of the Druzhina range and I am very sorry. but those names stick out!

I have to give the Kapikulu a shout out for Team killing the whole enemy team for me I love when I get multis because of them, Thank you!

ALMOST FORGOT PANDEMONA- Best M spammer EU


nou
Title: Re: Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY
Post by: Son Of Odin on April 10, 2013, 10:16:29 pm
Dunno... Vandamme for being such an opportunist lancer it's almost admirable. I don't think he is that good player overall (other styles than cav). Maybe he has alts that I don't know of and he is actually good at everything idk but he doesn't seem to be too good on foot. He is always throwing those "sucker punches" at everyone. Sort of ADHD "they see me rollin' they hatin" lance style imo. Attacks really often. Annoying as fuck, but you can't be a good lancer these days if you don't use those small moments of distraction to your advantage.

To sum it up he's goddamn good lancer. He has a good eye for opportunities and he doesn't waste any of them.
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Post by: Fuma Kotaro on April 10, 2013, 11:59:32 pm
ducks are pretty bad in general but from time to time they still top the scoreboard
on a serious note i think abdulla is my real hero because hes the worst and best and most awesome player

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