Your favorite bad player that somehow does good - YOUROP ONLY

[Rhygar666]

i nominate F(a)ilps

[no_rules_just_play]

Dimm76

whole that SOF clan gives me the creeps, they run around with high dmg twohanders and spam 360 degree circles around them. they actually manage to kill me from time to time... when im their teammate. its just dangerous to try to help those people.

[Tindel]

Anyone can have good awareness, reaction time, aim and blocking skills etc.
What you talk about is the most important skill of them all. Because if you instantly rush the worst possible opponent in the enemy every round, you will be very ineffective.
I would say the best player is the one with the highest average multiplier.

Wayyyyyne:
Niten doraku is not a bad player. Actually he is one of the best because he is often the most valueable player in his team.

This man knows what he is talking about.

A easy way to measure skill is by measuring result.

[Tindel]

No, unless you define being good as doing good (in which case the former concept loses its point) those things are linked but different. Effectiveness is very far from being a direct measure of skill as countless other factors influence it. The worst player in the world can have good results with an optimised build and a careless attitude. Mediocre cav and ranged can stack peasant kills. Everybody can avoid fights they don't think they will win, only attack when there is a possibility to gank and so on. All of that is nice, but it isn't skill. If you think having a good str/agi balance, good loomed armor, a long and powerful loomed weapon and swinging mindlessly is part of skill, you are deluded.


Btw I add Dimm76

Choosing a good build and good gear for that build (or the other way around) is very much a part of the game and is tied into skill yes.
Take a look at the guys who win rounds for their teams, what are they using? How are they playing?
Go to EU1 and spectate the good melee players, see how they do it. I think you will find out that a large part of their success is a good build and gear loadout coupled with awareness and teamplay.

Its very hipster and kewl to run around naked and get oneshot, but you arent helping your team any more than random_peasant01.

[Macropus]

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I have to admit Tindel is cool and I agree with him. 

Bad players do bad, good players do well. Anything else is a contradiction.
Ofc only if you consider "doing well" not only  as "manual blocking well", but being effective in battle which is (as people said above) not the same thing.

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But I also have to admit Kafein is cool because he's so naked and so 1h. 

[Tibe]

This man knows what he is talking about.

A easy way to measure skill is by measuring result.

Ofcourse one can never really accurately measure ones skill by simple scores or spectating.

[bagge]

I am your Jedi Master son.

Don't fool yourself

[Banok]

I nominate every tincan.

[rufio]

common niten dousnt belong on the badplayer side of the equator

[Teeth]

Siege

[Kafein]

I don't think you've ever actually fought against him if this is your opinion.

I did. Quite a lot actually. Last year, He was as I described.



I think we will get nothing out of this "argument", even though it is a remarkably civil discussion. We aren't discussing what makes a bad player be effective but what is the definition of skill, and that is not what I intented to start with this thread. If skill is defined as effectiveness, then ok, I understand that my grandmother in plate is more skilled than naked me. My point is such a definition is nothing short of completely useless, so stop using it. Let me be more specific : find players that win by playing safe and with an optimized setup yet would lose against the same opponents with random team numbers, builds and equipment.



Finally, I demand satisfaction for this :

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Its very hipster and kewl to run around naked and get oneshot, but you arent helping your team any more than random_peasant01.

!! Meet you on EU_3, scoundrel !

[the real god emperor]

i believe* some people searched his own nick in this topic - NOT ME! -

[Riddaren]

There are things about having an agile build that makes it very easy compared to a strong build and vice versa.
This is something that many players, even good ones, doesn't seem to understand. Instead they judge someone's skill by build and equipment.

[Tears of Destiny]

Myself, naturally.

[Joseph Porta]

Myself, naturally.

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