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Title: There goes another one
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 17, 2013, 01:20:37 am
http://forum.meleegaming.com/suggestions-corner/cheating-textures/

I've been one of the few new voices around here, as far as I can tell, and one of the most active/vocal at that. Been playing a lot, participating in and out of game, and I think people have noticed. Made a few good connections - even got tapped to become an admin-in-training. However, the above thread, and the idiotic attitude of the Dev within, and lead me to believe that I am not valued here whatsoever. I'm just another punk gamer - there are hundreds of me - fuck me and what I think, there will always be more asses in computer chairs. And hey, that's fine. But I'll take my business elsewhere.

I'm not going to rage out and say "CRPG BLOWS" or anything. It doesn't. It's the best multiplayer mod I've ever seen. But literally half of the fun for me is making things for myself and others - enriching the community- it's sort of what makes Warband and all of its iterations special. The Devs know that - it's why they started modding, too. But that very spirit is apparently soon to be regarded as cheating around here, so I'm out.

So continues the reign of the old-timey "I hate this mod but I'm never leaving" players. Driven out is the new blood that actually enjoys time spent here.

Probably good for me in the long run. For all I know these are some of the last months of my life, and I really don't need to spend them grinding my lvl 17 character up to the point where I can begin to contend.

Bye CRPG! It's been mostly alright!

-Commodore

PS - giving all of my gold and looms to the Ravens of Valhalla. May they burn all of your cities to the ground.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 17, 2013, 01:24:53 am
:(
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Grumbs on March 17, 2013, 01:29:46 am
Mods will need to be whitelisted. Thats the worst reason to rage quit i've seen ever

It will help stop cheating, and any mods that don't give an unfair advantage will get whitelisted
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on March 17, 2013, 01:32:10 am
Mods will need to be whitelisted. Thats the worst reason to rage quit i've seen ever

It will help stop cheating, and any mods that don't give an unfair advantage will get whitelisted

Yes because all those wall hacking cheaters have been such a problem throughout cRPG's history right?
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 17, 2013, 01:34:00 am
Mods will need to be whitelisted. Thats the worst reason to rage quit i've seen ever

It will help stop cheating, and any mods that don't give an unfair advantage will get whitelisted

Not a GTX man. Just a quit. But dude, be realistic. The admins don't answer people's most legit concerns. They're not going to spent time whitelisting a "mod" like "I turned the courser into a unicorn". It's too small, not universal enough, too unrealistic. It's for me and my friends. Who they don't care about.

Anyway, don't think I go with rage.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Tanken on March 17, 2013, 01:35:03 am
Don't go buddy. I can't promise it gets better, but it rarely gets worse. CMP may have just been disconnected from what you were saying. I for one love your Naked Mesh build, I still use it. I'd hate to see someone like you that came into this mod and started giving to the players, instead of taking all they could, leave the game after a little feud.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Casimir on March 17, 2013, 01:37:26 am
CMP sure can be a douche bag.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: brockssn on March 17, 2013, 01:38:40 am
I dont get why this is a big deal. If they want to cheat it just ruins the gameplay for them. If they see me hiding behind a corner that doesnt allow them to kill me any easier... it just makes the game look retarded for them and doesnt help enough for me to care about. Baddies are bad.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Korgoth on March 17, 2013, 01:41:51 am
PS - giving all of my gold and looms to the Ravens of Valhalla. May they burn all of your cities to the ground.

pfff...

gimme looms
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Muki on March 17, 2013, 01:43:42 am
Sad to see you go but I do recommend just holding onto your looms and gold and just placing them into the factions armory/bank instald
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Relit on March 17, 2013, 01:44:24 am
Well shit. The community lost a good one here.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 17, 2013, 01:45:00 am
Commodore, you pretty much made this game fun for me again. I got stuck in a moment where I wasn't really enjoying crpg as an archer and was losing interest in the mod. The unicorn texture inspired me to respec into a special build that keeps me just as good with ranged combat, but also allows me to be a lance cav just as effectively. I also look fabulous now riding my unicorn and if I have to send CMP a PM every single day to get this and your other stuff approved, I will.

Also, I was going to ask for a pretty katana. :)
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Artyem on March 17, 2013, 01:47:14 am
NOOO!  It's not fair!  It's just not fair!  I now have nothing to fear when I get in game, I have no worthy opponents.

Reidi is one of the greatest warriors to have ever blessed this game, he broke the boundaries of min-maxing and left the soulless, mindless unimaginative cookie cutter players in the dust.

Do you see what you do?  DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE?  CURSE YE COWARDLY PIG DOG DEVELOPERS, WHY MUST YOU DESTROY EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD IN THE COMMUNITY!?
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Grumbs on March 17, 2013, 02:03:00 am
Not a GTX man. Just a quit. But dude, be realistic. The admins don't answer people's most legit concerns. They're not going to spent time whitelisting a "mod" like "I turned the courser into a unicorn". It's too small, not universal enough, too unrealistic. It's for me and my friends. Who they don't care about.

Anyway, don't think I go with rage.

They are adding new guys to the team atm like item unbalancers. Its not that far fetched to think someone can handle mod whitelisting
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 17, 2013, 02:03:59 am
Tis a sad day in the c-RPG community. You will be missed.  :cry:
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: EponiCo on March 17, 2013, 02:09:07 am
You are overreacting.
Sure cmp isn't the nicest person, but his comment wasn't that bad really.
Also, given the speed of their earlier patches, it's probably going to take another year before this idea is implemented.

Mods will need to be whitelisted. Thats the worst reason to rage quit i've seen ever

It will help stop cheating, and any mods that don't give an unfair advantage will get whitelisted

Well, the big question is who is going to do all the work of looking through all the files and whitelisting them?
Do you believe you'd be able to modify something and have it whitelisted on the next day? Or rather have to wait two weeks?
I'm personally rather sceptical of it.
What all this work is worth on this outdated game I have no idea (edit: especially as there are some really worth fixing like my 500 ping connection), but maybe at this point the community are actually lab rats.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 17, 2013, 02:22:49 am
When you’re in a position of authority and one of those you’re stewarding expresses a concern, you have two options.

A)   discuss and possibly even address their concerns.
B)   tell them to fuck off.

Option B is clearly quicker, easier and more universally applicable. And perhaps his choosing option B is just one example of CMP’s terrific efficiency at work. But in this case, I think it speaks toward the very way the rule he was discussing will be implemented. If he had said “don’t worry, simple stuff like what you’ve been doing will get whitelisted,” that would be that. But he didn’t, did he?

If I make a toy, I’m not going to wait around for weeks to see if they decide to let me have it. Especially when the already-stated position is “fuck you and your toys”. I’ll just go to another mod where I can have my cake and eat it too (like, I don't know, singleplayer.). And that’s fine, guys.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 17, 2013, 02:29:28 am
I don't see any reason why your body mesh replacer would NOT get whitelisted.

however


Probably good for me in the long run. For all I know these are some of the last months of my life, and I really don't need to spend them grinding my lvl 17 character up to the point where I can begin to contend.


sounds horrible. get off the internet right now if youre really terminally ill
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 17, 2013, 02:34:56 am
I don't see any reason why your body mesh replacer would NOT get whitelisted.

however

sounds horrible. get off the internet right now if youre really terminally ill

haha, well I'm not that far gone I guess, but there's little else you can do when you're bedridden, mate. Don't worry, I'm reading a lot of books and drinking fine wine. Frankly it seems like more of a travesty to me to spend time on the internet when you're full of vim.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Andy on March 17, 2013, 02:38:31 am
haha, well I'm not that far gone I guess, but there's little else you can do when you're bedridden, mate. Don't worry, I'm reading a lot of books and drinking fine wine. Frankly it seems like more of a travesty to me to spend time on the internet when you're full of vim.
Off topic, don't kill me.
If you really do read a lot of books, may I suggest my favorite book, Everlost by Neal Shusterman?
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Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 17, 2013, 02:40:02 am
Off topic, don't kill me.
If you really do read a lot of books, may I suggest my favorite book, Everlost by Neal Shusterman?
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You may :)
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Miwiw on March 17, 2013, 03:01:52 am
I don't think I would quit a game just because of not having an armor model (even though I made it myself, and even though it might be added whitelisted some time later). Gameplay is much more important after all, appearance is just a nice addition.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on March 17, 2013, 03:08:01 am
I don't see any reason why your body mesh replacer would NOT get whitelisted.

Even if his things would get whitelisted, I don't think that is really the point.

The point is cmp is often an asshole to people just asking legitimate questions and giving their opinions. Instead of replying in a snide fashion, he could have easily just spent 30seconds writing out his explanations for doing something, instead of always being on the defensive. Just something like-
 "We realise some people might be affected by this who just use their own custom models for fun and not cheating, and we are sorry but we think it is better for the mod in the future if we get rid of people who cheat this way. We will try our best to whitelist your non cheating models if you show them to us and sorry for any annoyances this causes."

It's just poor form to be an asshole to the people who enjoy playing the game and are just explaining that a certain change will make it less fun for them.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Kalam on March 17, 2013, 03:14:38 am
You'll be missed. However, I'm wondering why you see the need to grind...STF is where I have most of my fun these days.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Falka on March 17, 2013, 03:42:35 am
You are overreacting.

it's probably going to take another year before this idea is implemented.

Also,
these are some of the last months of my life,

LOOOOOMS!
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Varadin on March 17, 2013, 05:55:24 am
They all come back ...  8-)
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Carthan on March 17, 2013, 06:13:43 am
Noooooo!
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Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: isatis on March 17, 2013, 06:42:17 am
NUUUUUUUU

My favorite NEW player is gone!!

I remember when you asked for tip on your naked build and after when you showed your first mod and than the unicorn...

and now you gone :(

Saddest cochon :(
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Vengt037 on March 17, 2013, 07:55:44 am
Wait a minute... explain about the unicorn thing.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Havelle on March 17, 2013, 08:54:51 am
Bah. Don't let that god damn attitude get to you. If you enjoy the game play it and continue pressing your issues. You can't let things people say get to you, and if they do, you are that "nobody punk player" you believe he implied through his manner.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on March 17, 2013, 09:55:36 am
If you stay I will declare you NA's #1 modder 2013.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Macropus on March 17, 2013, 10:14:47 am
Is it only me who doesn't understand why some people can't play the fucking game without turning it into something different? Ok nevermind, I just never liked to replace something in the original games.
But seriously, what's the problem? With all respect to what you've done for other players, I don't get why you have to leave just because you're forced to play with original textures. Well if you really can't stand it, good bye then and good luck to you, it's a pity you leave.

PS: and I'm quite agree with cmp on that point...
There's worse, like people who threaten to leave the mod if something is/isn't done. Is that supposed to be some kind of blackmail or what? Either way it's really lame.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Macropus on March 17, 2013, 10:35:58 am
Probably good for me in the long run. For all I know these are some of the last months of my life, and I really don't need to spend them grinding my lvl 17 character up to the point where I can begin to contend.
Just noticed this. Lol dude, you know what human is? Human is some tough-son-of-a-bitch creature which can overcome many many many things. I don't know what problem you have IRL but thinking like "I'm gonna die, fuck this, I better play some video games" is the most reliable way to not a good end. Just believe in yourself and never give up, you're a human ffs. I wish you luck though I don't care much about it - it's your job. Get well.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 17, 2013, 11:00:30 am
damn bro, sad day :(

good luck further =\
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 17, 2013, 11:21:21 am
Is it only me who doesn't understand why some people can't play the fucking game without turning it into something different? Ok nevermind, I just never liked to replace something in the original games.
But seriously, what's the problem? With all respect to what you've done for other players, I don't get why you have to leave just because you're forced to play with original textures. Well if you really can't stand it, good bye then and good luck to you, it's a pity you leave.

Man, sorry to stir your ire here... but, if you don't understand why "people can't play the fucking game without turning it into something different", why are you playing a mod? Also, have you ever posted a suggestion? If so, why can't you just play the fucking game without trying to turn it into something different?

And really, I'm not leaving because I'm forced to play with original textures. I'm leaving (or, have left) because a developer directly expressed his utter lack of respect for me, one of his players, and my needs and opinions. He basically told me to go, so I did. No hard feelings. I would just rather put my time into a community that's aware of and nurturing of its invested and well-meaning members.

And finally:

Just noticed this. Lol dude, you know what human is? Human is some tough-son-of-a-bitch creature which can overcome many many many things.

I have no idea what you've gone through in your life, but believe me man, the lesson you're trying to impart here is already well learned. I said I probably shouldn't be spending time playing videogames right now, not "I'm going to die, fuck this, I better play some video games" - that's actually the opposite. No idea where you got that. But if you're presuming some personal weakness on my part because of what I said... don't. I truly hope you've never dealt with the hardships I have, but chances are that either way, if you knew them and knew how I've faced them you would consider me a fine example of the "tough-son-of-a-bitch creature" that is a Human being.

Thank you all for considering what I've written. I challenge you to play with making your own stuff for Warband - seriously, it has a thriving modding community unlike any game out there, and the resources and support really do exist such that you can make it your own. You'll open up a whole new world for yourselves.

Enjoy the future!
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Ronin on March 17, 2013, 11:31:55 am
Nooooo :cry:

Please don't leave. cmp deserves this, but we don't. And especially you don't.
How can I convince you to stay?

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Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Macropus on March 17, 2013, 11:41:58 am
Man, sorry to stir your ire here... but, if you don't understand why "people can't play the fucking game without turning it into something different", why are you playing a mod? Also, have you ever posted a suggestion? If so, why can't you just play the fucking game without trying to turn it into something different?
Don't get me wrong (even though I must have impressed myself wrong), I can play the original game (Native) and I like it, I also like c-rpg with is quite different game for me. Maybe I should have said "I don't understand why people replace some textures since other people won't see it anyway". I mean, you can look cool and original (for everyone, not for yourself only) by using the items everyone can see, isn't that even better? But I guess I'm trying to agrue about personal preferences here, which is quite stupid, sorry for that.
I have no idea what you've gone through in your life, but believe me man, the lesson you're trying to impart here is already well learned.
Maybe I don't have any rights to give advices about such a personal aspect of real life, maybe your experience is much bigger, anyway, what I mean is just - good luck to you.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: donib on March 17, 2013, 11:47:30 am
Some people just really take games too serious. You can leave forum but you can still play the game? If it must you can always change name in game and be the forever mysterious silent guy.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Ronin on March 17, 2013, 11:48:41 am
The problem is the attitude as commodore explained:
When you’re in a position of authority and one of those you’re stewarding expresses a concern, you have two options.

A)   discuss and possibly even address their concerns.
B)   tell them to fuck off.

Option B is clearly quicker, easier and more universally applicable. And perhaps his choosing option B is just one example of CMP’s terrific efficiency at work. But in this case, I think it speaks toward the very way the rule he was discussing will be implemented. If he had said “don’t worry, simple stuff like what you’ve been doing will get whitelisted,” that would be that. But he didn’t, did he?

If I make a toy, I’m not going to wait around for weeks to see if they decide to let me have it. Especially when the already-stated position is “fuck you and your toys”. I’ll just go to another mod where I can have my cake and eat it too (like, I don't know, singleplayer.). And that’s fine, guys.

This is not a GTX. What would you do if the developers would not care your enjoyment from the game and answer with that kind of attitude? I bet you wouldn't want to play a game where your enjoyment has been reduced. "Quit" is the correct here, but "rage" doesn't have to take place in this action. Not everyone is QQ'ing as you think. One can simply leave like a gentleman, to seek his interest somewhere.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: XyNox on March 17, 2013, 12:04:44 pm
I havent met you outside of the forum Commodore but you really seem like a nice guy. Im sorry to hear about your medical condition and that you are leaving. For me personally, modding the game is not of much interest but how do they say ? Tastes differ and its fine that way.

I can understand that devs, who are being asked 83272 questions ( also stupid ones ) every day become stressed and grumpy at some point and develop some kind of emotional shield by reacting sarcastic and offensive in the first place but it often seems they have unlearnt the ability to tell the difference between a well-intentioned question and a troll post.

If you really want to go after hearing the voices of all the people who like you and would miss you,
 Good bye, get well.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Kafein on March 17, 2013, 12:12:00 pm
So if I understand correctly, Jarlek's motto is about to come true ?
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Casimir on March 17, 2013, 01:22:46 pm
I havent met you outside of the forum Commodore but you really seem like a nice guy. Im sorry to hear about your medical condition and that you are leaving. For me personally, modding the game is not of much interest but how do they say ? Tastes differ and its fine that way.

I can understand that devs, who are being asked 83272 questions ( also stupid ones ) every day become stressed and grumpy at some point and develop some kind of emotional shield by reacting sarcastic and offensive in the first place but it often seems they have unlearnt the ability to tell the difference between a well-intentioned question and a troll post.

If you really want to go after hearing the voices of all the people who like you and would miss you,
 Good bye, get well.

Agree with this which is why adding people who are actually good community managers is a good idea. Let cmp stick to writing kick arse code and have someone else communicate how good it is.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Micah on March 17, 2013, 01:49:46 pm
Comodore, i must say you have some vital points in your reasoning about modding and you did some good things there , enritching the game experiance for some ppl. But on the other hand you turn it into a raging version of fame whoring, flaming against the devs and polarizing the community. Are you so desperately looking for "respect" from others, not able to be content with what you did for others yet, and making them happy ?  .... why the fuck you dont give it a try, to work with the community and the devs together? did the hardships in your life make you unable to see the other side of the coin ?
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 17, 2013, 02:39:52 pm
Comodore, i must say you have some vital points in your reasoning about modding and you did some good things there , enritching the game experiance for some ppl. But on the other hand you turn it into a raging version of fame whoring, flaming against the devs and polarizing the community. Are you so desperately looking for "respect" from others, not able to be content with what you did for others yet, and making them happy ?  .... why the fuck you dont give it a try, to work with the community and the devs together? did the hardships in your life make you unable to see the other side of the coin ?

First I was "raging", now I'm "fame whoring", "flaming" and "not trying". I'd like to think that my statements are nothing like that, and that they speak for themselves, but if that's really what you read then there's nothing I can do.

I'm not "desperately" looking for anything. If the community is polarized, it isn't because I polarized it. Anyway, it was only after I started making a point about these things that CMP and chadz began to actually explain their intentions in a reasonable way, such that they might address the concerns of people like myself:

I guess we could have somebody take care of that, yes. Have the game periodically update whitelists from a web page, so that no patch is needed and even minor mods can be added quickly.

Believe me, I would love to have heard something like that from him to begin with, avoiding this whole issue. Too late now though.

And Jesus, I never wanted this to be so ugly. Fame whoring, my ass. I don't exist here anymore, so I can't be famous or infamous.

Peace to all! Bye now!
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Penitent on March 17, 2013, 03:01:46 pm
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Consider re-considering!

I quit too, remember?  It wasn't worth it! :)
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: dreadnok on March 17, 2013, 03:01:55 pm
Going to the bonezonr
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Havoco on March 17, 2013, 03:27:46 pm
Now u get why us old-timey players act like that. The devs attitude reflects on the community in a major part. Yeah, cmp is a dick. But u leaving even after cmp and chadz explain their intent doesn't really help ur "I'm not rage-quitting" statement.

The fact is, the textures regarding pink arrows, etc has been a problem for a long time. Unfortunately it wouldn't have been necessary to add this sort of thing if ppl didn't abuse it.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on March 17, 2013, 03:32:41 pm
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Spleen on March 17, 2013, 03:53:26 pm
The scary part is: if someone would release a unicorn mod for warband, I'm sure it would find its audience...
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Riddaren on March 17, 2013, 05:30:54 pm
I'm sad to see you go. Like others have said though, keep your looms then come back later on.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Prinz_Karl on March 17, 2013, 06:12:22 pm
Too sad that you couldn't arrange with one dev and that you are leaving us now because of that, I always found it interesting to read through your posts and thoughts and respected you for your dedication to the game.

Farewell, I wish you good luck!

Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Varadin on March 17, 2013, 06:15:13 pm
Oh my GOD what a drama queen , just leave him alone , he will be back very soon , jezz....
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: Teeth on March 17, 2013, 06:19:26 pm
You are leaving because a dev was an inconsiderate elitist dick? Welcome to cRPG.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: zagibu on March 17, 2013, 06:20:15 pm
...he will be back very soon , jezz....

No he wont. He's a man of his word. You probably don't know what this means, but maybe you will learn some day.

It's a pity he left, because I would have wanted to create a cRPG ripoff with him some day.
Title: Re: There goes another one
Post by: cmp on March 17, 2013, 06:22:16 pm
Overreaction + unable to read/comprehend GTX. :lol:

Bye.

EDIT:
I can understand that devs, who are being asked 83272 questions ( also stupid ones ) every day become stressed and grumpy at some point and develop some kind of emotional shield by reacting sarcastic and offensive in the first place but it often seems they have unlearnt the ability to tell the difference between a well-intentioned question and a troll post.

Stressed devs, grumpy devs, emotional shield... bullshit.
I can tell you the difference between a well intentioned question and a rage post: one does not contain threats to leave the mod.