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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: oprah_winfrey on March 05, 2013, 06:30:43 pm
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A slew of new items have been added, slots have been changed, old items nerfed and buffed. I don't think its out of the question to give everyone a free stat and loom respec.
Also, I know there is the marketplace, but it is going to be impossible to trade away some items for a fair price (like xbows, bows, one handers, etc)
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Also, could those against a free respec please give a reason as to why?
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Yes to respec, just cos of 1 person who loves the steel pick :D
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Also, could those against a free respec please give a reason as to why?
There is most likely gonna be stat adjustments and we'll have guys crying like archers did after the 13pd bug was fixed and they'd all respecd their mains.
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Also, could those against a free respec please give a reason as to why?
Free respec of looms = 90 % of the server using new gear. Fuck no, stick with your kuyaks :P
Free respec of stats = spitting in the face whole generations of players royally fucked by old patches :wink: Also, expensive respec = less lvl crutchers which is always good :wink:
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There is most likely gonna be stat adjustments and we'll have guys crying like archers did after the 13pd bug was fixed and they'd all respecd their mains.
Well, they don't have to give them out today, they can wait until they have settled all the bugs.
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Against any respec for free. Reason is simple, if you do it once, people will want it everytime something gets changed, doesnt matter what.
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Free respec of looms = 90 % of the server using new gear. Fuck no, stick with your kuyaks :P
Free respec of stats = spitting in the face whole generations of players royally fucked by old patches :wink: Also, expensive respec = less lvl crutchers which is always good :wink:
This. Plenty of people's builds have been fucked by patches in the past and they never got a mass free respec. Consistency is key here, they didn't get that option, so we shouldn't either. Also as far as the looms go, pretty much what Falka said, everyone will be running with the new items and whatever got buffed. We all need to learn to take the downs with the ups.
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Free respec of looms = 90 % of the server using new gear. Fuck no, stick with your kuyaks :P
I don't know about you, but I don't really think its a negative thing that people will be able to play in the gear that they like.
Free respec of stats = spitting in the face whole generations of players royally fucked by old patches :wink: Also, expensive respec = less lvl crutchers which is always good :wink:
When was the last time there was a patch of this size? The last one I can think of is the addition of the slot system, were everyone had free respecs. Plus at any level over 30, the most you can lose is one level. I don't think there is that big of a difference between 33 and 34, etc.
Just to clarify, the biggest reason to not have a respec is WELL I DIDNT GET ONE LAST TIME SO YOUR DONT EITHER.
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I don't know about you, but I don't really think its a negative thing that people will be able to play in the gear that they like.
I think it's bad to see everyone and his dog in the same gear.
When was the last time there was a patch of this size? The last one I can think of is the addition of the slot system, were everyone had free respecs.
Everyone had free respec? Really? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong. Also, increasing riding requirements broke many builds, basically all cav had to respec.
Plus at any level over 30, the most you can lose is one level. I don't think there is that big of a difference between 33 and 34, etc.
If there's not a big difference why do you care about free respec in the first place?
Just to clarify, the biggest reason to not have a respec is WELL I DIDNT GET ONE LAST TIME SO YOUR DONT EITHER.
To make it clear, I've never needed to respec so your argument is invalid.
Oh, and this:
if you do it once, people will want it everytime something gets changed, doesnt matter what.
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Free respec of stats = spitting in the face whole generations of players royally fucked by old patches
Better to start late rather than never.
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Everyone had free respec? Really? I don't think so, but maybe I'm wrong. Also, increasing riding requirements broke many builds, basically all cav had to respec.
Yeah, although to be fair, they cut everyones gens down as well.
If there's not a big difference why do you care about free respec in the first place?
I still retire, despite being way over gen 16, and the build I have right now wasn't effected at all. So I don't need a respec either, but I am sure there are a lot of people that have had their builds royally fucked.
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No, because updates like this happened before without free respec. There is a button which says "Retire"
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Against any respec for free. Reason is simple, if you do it once, people will want it everytime something gets changed, doesnt matter what.
So where's the problem?
If you give people some facts to make their choice, and change those facts afterwards, the choice is invalid/obsolete, and a new choice has to be made.
Character development is based on choices. If you change something, you might have changed the validity of a character, and should grant a respec.
I see no problems in free respecs and loom resets after every patch.
No, because updates like this happened before without free respec. There is a button which says "Retire"
No to the invention of toilet paper, we wiped our asses without it before. There is something called "banana leafs".
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Respec for a fixed price of gold on the site instead of an auction would be nice, at least temporarily.
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No to the invention of toilet paper, we wiped our asses without it before. There is something called "banana leafs".
And I wouldnt mind using them. Free Respec is QQ only
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I suppose if you respec looms, you would also respec gold, right? Otherwise people will just start selling their looms to hoard as much gold as possible before it happens, and people who have hoarded it would be at an advantage.
If you loom, you should consider:
What about the people who paid a few million gold to get a free respec recently?
What about the people who have been marketplace whores and have many more looms than they should? (I am not one of those, got gen 11 and only 9 looms)
Any respec of that kind would screw them over. Maybe it is worth it, but I do not think so.
This is a beta, things change (and if they do not change, people complain). Live with it (or quit). Tough luck if you got screwed with this or that, but life is not fair. You knew it could happen at any point. None of these changes is drastic enough to warrant a respec imo. It is just a simple rework that does not make anything completely obsolete (maybe slightly UP compared to the previous situation), and will probably change again.
Now you can retire for increasingly higher (Fibonacci) numbers of looms, you can use the marketplace to get respecs, you can trade items around.
A respec would simply not be in place imo. Maybe a year ago, when all you could do was retire for 1 loompoint or nothing, but not now.
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I see no problems in free respecs and loom resets after every patch.
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I see everyone looming the FoTM items, with no thought whatsoever into what they are.
Looms were meant to be something personal. You should have it because you like the item, not because you are a min-maxer. If you are a min-maxer, I say deal with it, you knew it would eventually happen. QQ all you want, but adapt or quit. Simple life.
Just a random collection of thoughts. Probably some repeated and some might not make much sense, but I am in a rush and believe that this needed saying.
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I don't think there is any need for a loom respec. Anything that was nerfed was most likely OP to begin with or at least in need of some adjustment. This is the price you paid for enjoying top tier items while they were still top tier.
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What's wrong with the respec you have now? If you're 34-35 then you probably are pretty dedicated (not to mention already have an advantage over everyone else) to your build, 33 and under and it doesn't take that long to recover from a respec to get back to where you were.
I wouldn't mind a loom respec but you could not be lazy and play the marketplace minigame and get the looms you want anyways
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but I am sure there are a lot of people that have had their builds royally fucked.
And there are many people who have had their builds fucked by patches many times in the past. You know what they did? Adapted. There's a retire and respec button for a reason. If you're 32 or below you can easily retire, get looms, and rebuild your character, not much time lost to be honest. If you're post-32 and you're build is fucked, well, you made the choice to risk that by going past that barrier. Many cav and archers who were post-32 have been fucked numerous times in the past and they didn't get a respec, they worked around it and adapted.
Let me make it clear, I can clearly understand why certain people would want a free respec, I do. But I don't think it should happen. People will start to expect it every time there's any change and it's a huge slap to the face to people who were fucked by previous patches.
And as far as loom respec goes, nothing wrong with people playing in gear they like, but the point of a loomed item is that you WORK for it. If you want to loom a new item, do it how it is intended to be done. Acquire loom points and loom it. Or even trade one of your looms for one of them. Sure they'll be popular for the first month after release, but the hype will die down around them soon enough. Look at any other items added. Cough eastern gear cough.
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I see everyone looming the FoTM items, with no thought whatsoever into what they are.
Looms were meant to be something personal. You should have it because you like the item, not because you are a min-maxer. If you are a min-maxer, I say deal with it, you knew it would eventually happen. QQ all you want, but adapt or quit. Simple life.
Just a random collection of thoughts. Probably some repeated and some might not make much sense, but I am in a rush and believe that this needed saying.
Faster looming helps the devs recognizing the OP items. I am sure after a few rounds you couldn't put your finger on a FOTM-item any more.
You are actually right about looms, that's why I hate the marketplace so much. Because it actually already negates what you are saying above. Regular loom resets would only increase that effect a bit.
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You might not be as fucked as you think: http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/i%27ve-had-my-fun/
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You might not be as fucked as you think: http://forum.meleegaming.com/general-discussion/i%27ve-had-my-fun/
/thread.
I'm more than happy to lock this useless useless piece of thread. Free respecs and loomresets are so 2010.
EDIT: okay you can vent yourselves here... Just don't fill the general discussion with this.
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Implement a respec button for the cost of -1 gen :twisted:
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Implement a respec button for the cost of -1 gen :twisted:
If its a loom and stat respec I think that is pretty reasonable.
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Implement a respec button for the cost of -1 gen :twisted:
I could use that 9 times and not lose max gen bonus. :D
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Two answer the replies I was given to my statement that developing a character in cRPG is a gamble:
- Yes, I consider respecing a waste of time, as it doesn't add anything to the character, only reduces the XP. And some people, like me, don't only play for the playing themselves, they play to achieve a certain goal. Having to respec puts me several steps back, especially since I don't have much time to play. The game needs the aspect of grind and progress to be motivating. Else we could go completely without any character progression, looms and the like. If the game is only about playing it, every new character should start at level 31, gain no additional XP at all, be able to buy all items for free (all materwork, of course), and then only work towards keeping up your equipment. If this should not be the case, and you agree that there should be some progression, then you will agree that standing in front of the boss level and suddenly being ported back to close after the tutorial level is LOST TIME. End of the story.
- And yes, retiring is nice and all shit, but what happens if you have a loom which becomes suddenly worthless? For example the crossbow, what if you have been a 2hd or polearm hybrid with some crossbow WPF? Yes, you can play without the crossbow until you hit 31 and retire, ptting all WPF into your main weapon again or looking for another backup, e.g. throwing. Now let's ignore the fact that you are suddenly forced to play a "reduced" class for the rest of your generation, which is awful game design by itself, I think as soon as your character resets the problem with wrong skills is dealt with. But what about looms? What if you had a MW crossbow with MW bolts?
Don't you fucking dare to tell me "marketplace", because marketplace is only a small compensation for the loss, not a complete refund or fix! You will lose several hundred thousand gold by that change, as you won't be the only one suffering in that particular way from a patch, and prices on some items will sink and raise drastically. How about implementing the feature that whenever a patch is applied and you do NOT own one of the items affected by a nerf, there is a chance your money gets reduced by 150k? Just to keep things fair, so EVERYONE has a chance to lose a lot of money whenever a new patch is released.
cRPG is a game, and games only work when they are fun. The most important part of fun is motivation, and suddenly getting hit by a negative effect without own fault or good reason is the most demotivating thing I can imagine for a game. Letting people invest time into developing their character and then saying "Woops! I changed your character to the worse, bad luck, hahaha!" is nothing else than unfair, and nobody on the world can ever argue against that.
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I could use that 9 times and not lose max gen bonus. :D
Im assuming it would eat a loompoint upon the respec as well, but still seems pretty fair.
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Im assuming it would eat a loompoint upon the respec as well, but still seems pretty fair.
Then I would be less inclined to use it.
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Yup, a button for those who are poor in cash but rich in "assets" and a steep enough cost that it would not be abused, but rather used carefully.
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They've fucked over a lot of builds and equipment over the years and haven't given any free respecs for stats or looms. I don't see that happening now.
If anything I'd say no to loom respec, let them implement the WPF/WM changes, and then give everyone a free skill respec.
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They've fucked over a lot of builds and equipment over the years and haven't given any free respecs for stats or looms. I don't see that happening now.
If anything I'd say no to loom respec, let them implement the WPF/WM changes, and then give everyone a free skill respec.
Even ToD's suggestion of losing a lp?
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Ah fuck it, couple years into the mod give free loom and stat respecs, I feel in a giving mood. But I say wait til they update WM/WPF (which is rumored to be in next patch)
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Ah fuck it, couple years into the mod give free loom and stat respecs, I feel in a giving mood. But I say wait til they update WM/WPF (which is rumored to be in next patch)
Next patch? I dont want to wait until next year.
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they promised the wpf/wm buff? reworking? before i quit to play star wars... in december 2011
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Not everything is repaired yet (Ex. Heavy Glance), so after loomrespec not everybody might be happy. Also I guess one of the devs said it years ago that we have marketplace and that's the place for getting rid of unwanted stuff.
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Against any respec for free. Reason is simple, if you do it once, people will want it everytime something gets changed, doesnt matter what.
This. Also :
Against any respec for free. Reason is simple, if you don't do it for some people, others shouldn't have it either.
Call me bitter, that would be unjust.