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Title: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: NuberT on March 02, 2013, 12:46:55 pm
Talking about swinging through doors/gates here - poking/shooting through the gaps is fine ofc. I really cannot think of any logical reason to tolerate it furthermore.

NOT OK: Using a bug to gain undeserved benefits

Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Nightingale on March 02, 2013, 01:01:42 pm
I ban people for it on NA.

Common sense goes into effect too

Exploiting is against the rules- Glitching is OK- but being an Ass-hat isn't and hitting people through solid object is obviously ass-hatty


Reply to person that typed the message below me

It is not impossible to control just keep banning people for it till the point gets across
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Latvian on March 02, 2013, 01:01:52 pm
Annoying as hell but impossible to controll.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Osiris on March 02, 2013, 01:04:09 pm
not impossible if admins ban people for it :P
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Moncho on March 02, 2013, 01:05:56 pm
Annoying as hell but impossible to controll.

If you start warning, after a bit kicking, and as a last measure banning people who do it, other people should become scared to do it. Even the simple presence of admins lately has caused a lower amount of rule breaking just because of the fear of getting caught.

And regarding the OP, would you want this for every single weapon or just the side swings that go through the collision?
I do not think that pikes and other poky polearms should not be able to do it.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Osiris on March 02, 2013, 01:08:56 pm
I dont think any weapon should be able to hit through solid doors.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Dalhi on March 02, 2013, 01:11:41 pm
Let's first ban HRE members.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Arathian on March 02, 2013, 01:33:22 pm
Reminder that only solid doors are not allowed.

Doors with open spaces you can hit through.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 01:37:39 pm
Reminder that only solid doors are not allowed.

Doors with open spaces you can hit through.
here in EU both are allowed. but hitting with a side swing through a door with open gaps should still not be allowed. Its just so pathetic if people do this. I use my long awlpike to hit through those gaps and be sure, not anyone who picks up an awlpike actually can do this, but everyone who picks up a twohander can hit me through the door while i am trying to defend it.

what i do is realistic, what those twohanders do is total bullshit.

and kulin, what you are saying is 2 months old, you were maybe warned once or twice by a HRE member for this when NOBODY was sure if it was allowed or not yet.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Ego_HRE on March 02, 2013, 01:40:32 pm


Begin with ur own ppl :!:
We have maybe 2-3 which do this shit...and belive me...everytime when we see this, there is a reaction in our TS.
Every evening if i play siege...i have the same problems like u...and the bannerballance remember me how many hits i get from my own members
(click to show/hide)

Everyone should work on themselves to bring this problem to an end  :!:
Maybe u should ban urself Kulin_ban and bring us peace...next time give us names...and not HRE here or HRE there :!:

ps. i know my english is crap..but u will understand me :?
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 01:42:21 pm
dalhi was kidding ego :)
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Dalhi on March 02, 2013, 01:46:29 pm
Ego, you didn't convince me, so still:
Let's first ban HRE members.

dalhi was kidding ego :)

No, I am deadly serious.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Teeth on March 02, 2013, 01:54:27 pm
I'd say it is against the rules, if properly introduced with warnings and kicks and then just straight banning I think this is enforceable. You just need multiple admins to take the same stance.

Save the world, ban door swinging.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Sagar on March 02, 2013, 01:57:15 pm
It is not against rules and it is not written in Official Server Rules.

If some admin ban player for this, then he is obviously abusing admin powers.

First, devs need to make this Official Server Rule or fix the door bug - if I can remember maybe before year ago or something,  it was fixed.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Dalhi on March 02, 2013, 01:57:24 pm
Witch hunting isn't really best solution for me. If it is impossible to fix by the game mechanics then just get over it.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 01:59:07 pm
It is not against rules and it is not written in Official Server Rules.

If some admin ban player for this, then it is obviously abusing admin powers.

First, devs need to make this Official Server Rule or fix the door bug - if I can remember maybe before year ago or something,  it was fixed.
its abusing of game mechanics, wich is against the rules. the problem is that admins dont ban yet because they werent told to do so yet. now we hope meow or the devs see this and tell all admins to start banning for it
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Sagar on March 02, 2013, 02:05:57 pm
I was killed 100 times by pike thru wall/over the wall (aiming the sky then hit you thru /over the wall), that is also abusing game mechanics and I cant remember that someone is banned for that?

And I'm not against "fixing" door glitch, but that must be official.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Prinz_Karl on March 02, 2013, 02:16:33 pm
I was killed 100 times by pike thru wall/over the wall (aiming the sky then hit you thru /over the wall), that is also abusing game mechanics and I cant remember that someone is banned for that?

And I'm not against "fixing" door glitch, but that must be official.

Then again, theres thousand things where you can abuse mechanics with pike, stabbing around corner is also an example. So leave pike aside.

Anyway I've been for a rule against swings through doors of any kind since long, but admins have always been struggling with it. After all it's hitting through solid wood with a sword and shouldn't be allowed.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Dalhi on March 02, 2013, 02:23:22 pm

Use your imagination cunts!   :lol:


(click to show/hide)

Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 02:27:41 pm
[youtube*]http://youtu.be/aUJslKjca00[/youtube*]

use this
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 02:31:04 pm
I was killed 100 times by pike thru wall/over the wall (aiming the sky then hit you thru /over the wall), that is also abusing game mechanics and I cant remember that someone is banned for that?

And I'm not against "fixing" door glitch, but that must be official.
piking through a wall IS banable. piking around a wall isnt.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 02, 2013, 02:43:03 pm
Is it that hard to block left or get some 2h from your team to counter glitch through it?
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 02:43:50 pm
Is it that hard to block left or get some 2h from your team to counter glitch through it?
yes and its easier to ban
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Moncho on March 02, 2013, 02:48:23 pm
Is it that hard to block left or get some 2h from your team to counter glitch through it?
Sometimes it might be possible, but especially when they are small doors, there is barely place for 2-3 people hacking it, and using one of them (who also needs more space since he is side swinging, not overheading) to counter glitch will slow down the destruction noticeably.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Oberyn on March 02, 2013, 02:53:39 pm
Wasn't this fixed at some point? Hitting a door was like hitting a person, only that hit counted regardless of where the weapon went afterwards on the same swing.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Erzengel on March 02, 2013, 02:57:40 pm
Is it that hard to block left or get some 2h from your team to counter glitch through it?

You also hurt your own team wayyyyyne because you inflict additional damage to the doors. You only do it because you want to get more kills/score in a very lame way.

In my opinion it is clearly a bug and shouldn't be allowed.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 03:00:54 pm
im not sure, but wouldnt making the door 'solid' actually work. with this i mean making it impossible to hit through a door by letting your weapon stop when you hit it (like a shield) this would also make stabbing damage do way less to doors as your weapon will get a stun.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: NuberT on March 02, 2013, 03:43:49 pm
I am not requesting life time bans here, if that wasn't clear. I don't want it to be longer tolerated, so people who do it get warned -> kicked -> 1 day banned -> ... -> Bjord


If you want pikeman to get banned for poking around corners start your thread :P.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Kafein on March 02, 2013, 03:49:14 pm
Let's first ban HRE members who threaten with ban those who abuse door-bug.

Every time I play siege, there is always some HRE member threatening to ban someone for this, claiming that it is against the rules. Fuck that.

Just so you know, it is against the rules.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Erzengel on March 02, 2013, 04:06:42 pm
Also not sure how HRE members (besides me) actually can "threaten" you with a ban. They can open a ban request like everybody else, but if you didn't break the rules it just will be ignored.

Strangely, only the guys who abuse this bug all the time are lobbying for it. Most other people are really annoyed when somebody is hitting them through the doors. In my opinion there is absolutely no reason to allow that shit. :)
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Tindel on March 02, 2013, 04:18:17 pm
It is just an aspect of the real problem.
What is the real problem then?

Breakable fucking doors, what a shitty and boring game mechanic.
And they are always bugged first round as well making it very hard to defend.

Everytime i stand hacking at a door i want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.
I wish we didnt have any maps with those damn doors in them.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Rhekimos on March 02, 2013, 04:43:48 pm
I'm fine either way, as long as the rule is the same for everyone. Add a mention of it to the official rules.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on March 02, 2013, 04:54:25 pm
I'd love some clarification on this too.

Needless to say, I hate this glitch myself. It does not make any sense at all when a dude can slash someone on the otherside of the door. And it is ridiculous how some people have literally excelled in this glitch. I watch them kill one after another without missing a single time.

Besides, what I have recently experienced with Idzo was the final straw. There I was as a defender behind one of those grid-like doors with square gaps all over (damn, can't remember the map's name). Attackers showed up and started beating it down and I decided to poke them with my great long bardiche through the gaps. And I swear I don't do this. I mean it that I don't. That one single time, I wanted to do it for a change. I mean everyone does it, nobody gets told off, I keep warning people about it all the time, admins seem to have mixed feelings about the issue and the thing gets discussed at least three times on EU2 throughout the day without a conclusion etc. etc. Still, I decided to do it just for once and dear Idzo felt the need to go bossy with me like 'Stop it for your own good'. I explained him quite everything I have written so far and his hero-of-crpg, do gooder bossiness wouldn't back off.

Under the above circumstances, this literally drove me mad. So, all in all, I would seriously like a relevant rule to be introduced and practiced by all game admins. Not that I will even ever try it again in case I have to bear the same shit again but we still need a precise rule here.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 04:58:16 pm
im often stabbing through the gaps in a door when some retarded axeman shows up next to me and starts blocking the gaps where i want to stab through to hit through the door. ofcourse he does more damage to the door than the people he kills and the door breaks...
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 02, 2013, 05:01:44 pm
Was on siege a few days back and there was a player with a Flamberge (yes the longest 2h weapon) with every side swing hitting through the door, problem is because the weapon is so close noone could get close to the door to get any hits on it, which completely ruins the game.

It's exploiting and a glitch that has been in warband since day 1, if its glitching it is against the rules.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 02, 2013, 05:51:04 pm
hurrrr how do I block left

Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: cmp on March 02, 2013, 05:59:21 pm
Is it possible to swing through a door when there is no one on the other side? Or does the swing get blocked by the door in that case?
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Oberyn on March 02, 2013, 06:03:51 pm
So retarded. The point is you shouldn't have to block at all when there's a friggin solid wooden door that's closed between you and the enemy. I'm sure this was fixed at some point as I remember weapons losing any power as soon as they hit the door. Not sure why it was removed...this may have been on some other warband mod, I dunno.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 06:03:55 pm
Is it possible to swing through a door when there is no one on the other side? Or does the swing get blocked by the door in that case?
you hit the door, but if people (mostly twohanders and people with knifes) stand close enough they can also hit the person behind it. I dont have any problem with a knife through a door, but a 2hander?
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: wayyyyyne on March 02, 2013, 06:06:40 pm
Is it possible to swing through a door when there is no one on the other side? Or does the swing get blocked by the door in that case?

swinging through a door without someone behind it does damage to the door so yeah it does get blocked

if there's someone in reach of your swing you do damage to that player instead of the door
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Jack1 on March 02, 2013, 06:16:52 pm
Are we actually talking about solid doors or the doors that you can stab at people if you stab through the holes?
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Moncho on March 02, 2013, 06:17:55 pm
All types of doors
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: TurmoilTom on March 02, 2013, 06:20:54 pm
All types of doors

Stabbing through doors with holes is okay iirc.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: cmp on March 02, 2013, 06:21:07 pm
I'm sure this was fixed at some point as I remember weapons losing any power as soon as they hit the door. Not sure why it was removed...this may have been on some other warband mod, I dunno.

I just realized that the function required for this was never implemented in WSE2 servers (not just the new test one). I fixed that now, but I can't really update the "old" WSE2 servers, so I might have to switch siege to the new test one.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 06:28:51 pm
I just realized that the function required for this was never implemented in WSE2 servers (not just the new test one). I fixed that now, but I can't really update the "old" WSE2 servers, so I might have to switch siege to the new test one.
did i read this correctly and is the most hated bug on siege removed? thanks ego! thanks cmp!
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on March 02, 2013, 06:45:36 pm
Well wayne seeing as you cant see your enemy how do you know when he wil swing, plus its blocking right not left, as you hit left through the door ;) if your gonna try and 'troll' do it successfully :P
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: NuberT on March 02, 2013, 07:07:27 pm
I just realized that the function required for this was never implemented in WSE2 servers (not just the new test one). I fixed that now, but I can't really update the "old" WSE2 servers, so I might have to switch siege to the new test one.
Nice fixing is the bug is obviously better than banning people. And we will finally see the impact of the crushtrough nerf/buff on siege.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 02, 2013, 08:22:02 pm
I was angry because I had to stop playing and respond to these false claims, instead of just playing the game.
its not because there is no rule about it, that it doesnt make you look like a dick. if you look like a dick, expect people to respond. It has never been clear what the rules were about this and some people might just not know what we know.

If HRE members are forbidden from playing in certain way, make clear to your subordinates that same rule does not apply to rest of the world, even at times when your banner block covers over 50% of server pop.
we are not forbidden to play this way, but we try to follow the rules. however, if members of HRE do this, they will get reactions over ts like 'dont do that, dont be a dick'.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Teeth on March 02, 2013, 09:14:24 pm
so I might have to switch siege to the new test one.
Why the hold up in the first place? Turn rate fix has been thoroughly tested for a few months now and approved by everyone I speak to.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: KingBread on March 03, 2013, 07:04:29 am
I allways thought that this is not a bug but a feature. I would lobby to not force artificial rules cos it allways causes drama but removing it server side is great ! Now i can do pls Ban topics for those who will still try to do this and it will be griefing cos they only break doors !!!


btw
We called this Keeching. Cos Keech must first cast some spells to soften doors and then every hit was succsefull. Sometimes enemies were not even close to this particular doors yet they were hit.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Kuujis on March 03, 2013, 09:30:55 am
It simply pissed me off that over and over again (some of the) HRE members were trying to enforce the rules on which not even admins can agree (existence of this proves that). I was angry because I had to stop playing and respond to these false claims, instead of just playing the game.
<...>

I'm not sure I was the first one, but after my request for ban was ignored http://forum.meleegaming.com/inactive/temporary-ban-request-sagar/ - I just started standing at the door and not letting them then hit through. And if they hit me - making sure I report :) No point in complaining...

And +1 for the fixed bug! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: cmp on March 03, 2013, 12:59:00 pm
Why the hold up in the first place? Turn rate fix has been thoroughly tested for a few months now and approved by everyone I speak to.

Because the turn rate fix is just a small part of what the test server changes.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: NuberT on March 03, 2013, 04:17:02 pm
Because the turn rate fix is just a small part of what the test server changes.
But why would you exclude us poor siege souls from giving feedback at all. I guess ~30% play mostly siege and would have to deal with changes adjusted for the battle mode only. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: karasu on March 03, 2013, 04:38:01 pm
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Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Rhekimos on March 03, 2013, 04:42:43 pm
(click to show/hide)

Thanks, I needed a laugh.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: cmp on March 03, 2013, 04:43:36 pm
But why would you exclude us poor siege souls from giving feedback at all. I guess ~30% play mostly siege and would have to deal with changes adjusted for the battle mode only. :rolleyes:

Because at this point I don't really care about feedback, I'm mostly testing server side technical changes.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Ronin on March 04, 2013, 11:50:23 am
I'd say it is against the rules, if properly introduced with warnings and kicks and then just straight banning I think this is enforceable.
Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: Count_Curtis on March 04, 2013, 11:51:30 am
we payed them 50 grand just to fix shit like this


Title: Re: Start to ban people for door glitching already...
Post by: [ptx] on March 04, 2013, 11:58:39 am
Aww, dayum, and here i was itching to get my bans on those bastards :(