not going to defend you saying it was a plan together I bet tho huh?Being threatened by occitain? Ask arowaine, he messaged me last night via steam.
no I am talking about the part where you admitted it was a plan from the start between you and smooth to transfer ownership and stop us from taking the placeI don't recall saying that, but I do recall saying that Smooth and I will honor duel, why does it matter. The only player you had left to attack the fief within a 24 hour time limit wouldve been vick. Who was banned, so I didnt delay shit. Are you afraid now that if you do attack ahmerrad, youll have to fight a fair battle?
3 things.
1) Did you accept the items that Blackzilla offered you? If so, it seems kind of messed up that you would take something that he offered as a way of making things up and then post a ban request on him. Otherwise, forget I said anything.
2) Are you asking for a ban from Strategus or both cRPG *and* Strategus? Just curious.
3) If Blackzilla and Smoothrich should be banned for exploiting a Strategus flaw, then why do I remember no significant action being taken against FCC when they item-bombed other clans (I'm not talking this round. I'm talking about a previous round of Strategus.) ? Should the FCC leaders be banned for those previous exploits? If not it seems unfair to ask for a ban here and now for a similar offense.
If you notice several fiefs defected at the same time as part of a master scheme being trolled along by BADPLAYER and others to depose me as the leader of our faction and create peace with FCC out of fear of losing internet horse land. Blackzilla was an accomplice to this plot for a while.
After negotiations, threats, and a general paranoia some people decided to join a new strat faction named Semenstorm, created by ROHYPNOL as leader, with less but more trustworthy players, and some others decided to join FCC or create their own factions, or join the Chinese.
No one was really sure how it was going to turn out, but it was everyone playing the game as intended.
There's really nothing more to add. If you notice we lost 2-3 fiefs at the same time due to defectors and Blackzilla was party to that scheme. As far as I know he simply decided to not go along with it after talks with Occitan, Rohypnol, and others, along with me chatting with him.Bear expected me to want and to be an FCC vassal, hell nah.
There's literally a major castle and a village who left Hero Party and stayed that way, and bear_irl joined FCC and expected Blackzilla to come with him in the plan to get rid of me.
I don't think anyone can pretend that Hero Party hasn't been full of civil war and strife for the past month. Pretty sure scheming over fiefs and people being able to leave factions or rejoin them and look out for their own interests is one of the major parts of the game.
3. The item bomb from strat 2.0 was poor sportsmanship but not against the rules at the time; it was also a one time thing and the negative impact on our reputation at the time was pretty sufficient "punishment" for it. They also added the accept transfer button as a result.
That's true, it wasn't against the rules at the time, which is a good point.
But isn't this also a one time deal? They attacked their own city to delay you and take their stuff out of it, right? I'm kind of out of the loop now that I'm not into Strategus but from what I've read I think that is the case. Also, if a damaged reputation was penalty enough in your case, why is a ban necessary here? I would think that bans are necessary for repeat offenses, but I can't recall a time when they have done this previously.
That's true, it wasn't against the rules at the time, which is a good point.
But isn't this also a one time deal? They attacked their own city to delay you and take their stuff out of it, right? I'm kind of out of the loop now that I'm not into Strategus but from what I've read I think that is the case. Also, if a damaged reputation was penalty enough in your case, why is a ban necessary here? I would think that bans are necessary for repeat offenses, but I can't recall a time when they have done this previously.
These fcc guys are just crying 'cause Kesh got perma'd.
The precedent for this sort of thing was set in strat 3.0
The rule is clearly stated in the strat rules thread
"Strat map
1) CMP's rules for not attacking your village to delay your enemy
http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/strategus-rules/"
The first time this happened was when Fallen locked down their fief prior to an occitan attack, the punishment levied against Fallen was for a bunch of crazy guys on magic carpets firebombing 2000 of their best equipped troops and crippling their fief which was taken with relative ease after.
Tom, Blackzilla was literally part of a scheme with several other players to depose me and surrender Hero Party to FCC, but apparently FCC screwed it up for themselves and he backed out and we had to create a brand new Strategus faction with new leadership, but a castle owner of ours went through with it anyways, a_bear_irl.
The Fallen Bombing is a touchy case, because in that instance it was not against the rules at the time either. They even approached the devs and asked if it was allowed or not, only to receive no reply and get tons of their stuff blown to bits by fireballs when they used the exploit to their advantage.
The only "precedent" I saw coming out of that situation was that the devs don't care about what the rules are at the time and do what they want. If the Fallen Bombing was in any way justified it would have meant that razing one of the FCC fiefs after the item bomb would have been justified as well. Neither were officially against the rules at the time and yet the Fallen were the only ones who got stomped on for it.
I understand your case, Smooth. It's just that I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around the FCC's side of the story.
And yes, smooth is usually very good at telling stories on the forums but sometimes even smooth can't distract people from the facts.
I don't recall saying that, but I do recall saying that Smooth and I will honor duel, why does it matter. The only player you had left to attack the fief within a 24 hour time limit wouldve been vick. Who was banned, so I didnt delay shit. Are you afraid now that if you do attack ahmerrad, youll have to fight a fair battle?
Like the fact that two other fiefs left the faction at the same time, a castle temporarily joined FCC, and now we have two factionless fiefs in the middle of our territory when one came back? There was a coup attempt and well.. we aren't even Hero Party anymore, Rohy founded a new faction that was still loyal to Occitan. The entire point was choosing to stay with Occitan or join FCC and questioning leadership/direction.
Just because an internal struggle didn't 100 percent go your way, doesn't mean there is a vast conspiracy here. Just impotent pouting.
The problem I see here is that there aren't any facts about this at all. Just different people tossing stories around. Everything that happens behind the scenes can be speculated. Add in the fact that the only way to justify this ban request is to prove that Smoothrich and Blackzilla intended it from the get-go and it just becomes a huge mess.
Besides, if the mere series of events, regardless of intention, becomes an offense you can be banned for, then the rules should merely be changed to "Joining a Strat faction, warring against it at the same time as another faction and then rejoining it later is against the rules."
I never told my whole plan to FCC, because and I quote myself on this one I said "Snitches are everywhere." I said smoothrich thought this rebellion would be a fief transfer, but in reality it wasn't. It was going to be me starting a new faction with Bear and him NEVER getting Ahmerrad back, which he will not be getting back anytime soon.
so this confirms it was a plan between zilla and smooth (just like you told us in TS) since you are in the same faction of smooth right now it shows the plan worked just fine. The fief was transferred as intended. The gear and gold saved as intended. You are now the owner of the city makes no difference since it is still controlled by the same people as it was when we were attacking it.The end of my plan, which unfortunately, wasn't going to happen since Occitain wouldn't allow it, was to make my own faction. Well, I made a temporary faction, which didnt last/no one joined since the name. So in order to keep relations good with people I liked, I had to join SS. But I didnt have the resources to defend against Occitain so I gave in, packed up my rebel flags, and joined rohy.
The end of my plan, which unfortunately, wasn't going to happen since Occitain wouldn't allow it, was to make my own faction. Well, I made a temporary faction, which didnt last/no one joined since the name. So in order to keep relations good with people I liked, I had to join SS. But I didnt have the resources to defend against Occitain so I gave in, packed up my rebel flags, and joined rohy.
I ask again... How was occitan any threat to you?They were sending armies to me, ask arowaine. They were going to attack any fief that was a rebel faction of Rohy.
blackzilla owes the fief to FCC and the gold too,
the irony being that you cheated to stop them from taking itI didnt cheat, the rebellion was legit, I just stopped it since, I was going to be attacked by occitain.
I didnt cheat, the rebellion was legit, I just stopped it since, I was going to be attacked by occitain.
You can all the bullshit up you want, you attacked a town under siege to protect it. This has nothing to do with occitan.
I only recommended giving the fief to FCC so we can all quit bitching at you, this would be a silly thing to get banned over wouldn't you think?
I said smoothrich thought this rebellion would be a fief transfer, but in reality it wasn't. It was going to be me starting a new faction with Bear and him NEVER getting Ahmerrad back, which he will not be getting back anytime soon.
This is true, Smoothrich thought it was going to be a fief transfer.. so right there is Smooth breaking the rules, allowing a fief transfer to happen like this.
Whatever, I am done. Smoothrich and zilla don't have the balls to admit what they did and nothing I say will ever change that. Time to sit back and hope the devs will take a look.
I used to think my cat was cool, then it died :/cats suck dogs are better.
Sure seems like a bunch of he said she said but in the end the fief was transferred illegally. why they won't admit it is beyond this thread, hope some justice is found. Both need perma bans from strat.
It would be better if all transfers were done with the transfer fief function, regardless of whether the fief is gonna be attacked or not.
In this case, however, that wasn't possible (since the fief owner is banned), so reclaiming the village by attacking it is perfectly legitimate. Furthermore, there was no enemy army nearby and "it was coming" (when?) is not a valid excuse.
I don't recall saying that, but I do recall saying that Smooth and I will honor duel, why does it matter. The only player you had left to attack the fief within a 24 hour time limit wouldve been vick. Who was banned, so I didnt delay shit. Are you afraid now that if you do attack ahmerrad, youll have to fight a fair battle?
I found the rule for you, guys:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-issues/what-happened-in-tosdhar/msg647236/#msg647236
So basically, if this is true:
then all you disputes about cheating, rebellion, SS, threats from Occitain & other shit that I didn't even want to read don't worth a penny.
If there was enemy army ready for attack, then its delaying(but I didn't see any FCC attacks on Ahmerrad after transfer). If not than it was 100% legit.
"Since the fief owner is banned"
Was he banned? No. He just left his castle. He was on the map somewhere. Just because he decided he wanted to leave his castle, it does not mean you can do a illegal transfer. He has to travel back to the castle if he wanted to do anything with it. That is the rule.
Man i hate these threads. All these post filled with blatant bullshit by arrogant bigots.