Also, that agreement was for 2 months, which has long but expired.
We were using Zagush as a watch tower. It was in the hands of Occitan who we are friendly with and they let us hang out, we have armies there, along with the north and south to keep an eye on our borders. Occitan decided to pull out and hand it to us. As this was originally our village before we were invaded, we accepted.
I have a lot of respect for Turbo, and like a lot of the NH guys, but there has always been some animosity towards the loss of Peppo's kittens. And the fact that digglez was so hard to work with for the longest time while we tried to work on a friendly relationship, so who knows. We know FCC and Tkov working together (Trade partners and what not) will most likely mean we will be the next to get rolled as they will never go agains't each other, so us trying to get back the villages NH took from us originally isn't out of the question. Plus the few threats of "give it back or else" has more or less pushed some of our officers to say to heck with it and lets get some battles in before the monster comes for us, :P
Everyone will know by the next few days what we decide to do. It is still in the talks as I type this.
Also, that agreement was for 2 months, which has long but expired.
Happy Birthday Anders.
- Yes it was NH's village
- Occitan attacked and took said village
- Yes it was contested
- We were given ownership with out most of our members knowing what happened
- We then started to think about fighting NH to regain the villages we lost way back when, rather than giving it back and going back to the turtle position with fears of being eventually rolled by the monster and not doing anything in the mean time.
Yes we should give it back as it was NH's village, but now we have an opportunity to get some villages back, much like NH took the opportunity to take our villages when Tkov invaded us, and then left leaving the villages in NH's hands.
And most on the forums see how this is going to play out, every side claims to be the underdog, (Hospitaller included) with the exception of Tkov as the simply state "We da BOSS and take what we want!" which is respectable.
But we all see who signs up for who. Tho not allied you can see the rosters never change regardless of faction X attacking Faction Y.
Here's my problem with this; You guys are Hospitaller, you're by no means a Weak Clan, but what you did here was very weak. Here is Fimbulvetr, trying to reclaim New Zagush which is a bitch and a half to attack. We expend a lot of resources, time, and effort to get it back, and you guys just waltz in, reinforce it a few times (which we noted and confronted you about) and then took it over when it inevitably was going to be attacking and taken back. Fimbulvetr had no interest in going in to this big Map War, thus why we just sought out to reclaim our fief that was taken and leave it at that--but now you are forcing our hand, as well as yours into this situation.weren't you the leader of kutt or something?
If your intent is to prepare yourselves for this massive incoming attack you assume to be happening, then why are you pissing on those that are the least of your concerns, and furthermore expending resources when you could be stockpiling them and lubricant for this butt plundering you believe you may find yourselves in?
You are a fair man Aztek, and I know you're commonly outspoken in your clan (though you should be a leader imo), but seriously, this was the most rat-tactic thing I've seen out of you guys in a long while. An act that I think defies your better judgement, and ultimately will ignite more flames than you have the piss to extinguish Hospitaller
weren't you the leader of kutt or something?
Didn't your leaders make you surrender because you fucked up badly? Also, I wasn't the leader of KUTT, Xeen was.fucked up enough to apologize infront of all Hosp nah I didn't up you did :mrgreen:
fucked up enough to apologize infront of all Hosp nah I didn't up you did :mrgreen:
Understandable, yet, I would love to hear what the strategy was for this. Because right now I'm just foreseeing you guys fucking yourselves over. Instead of expending resources attacking, oh, I don't know, FCC or VE (the ones you fear the most) instead you attack NH and Fimbulvetr. Strategically speaking, if you know you're going to get raped quite hard by potentially two parties, why decide to fight a 3rd party--which is on good terms with both VE and FCC for the most part, instead of aiming your assault at one of the two clans you think may be an issue.
I don't see the intelligence, and I think you guys slipping, could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure I'm right. But what do I know.
And let it be clear, I'm not upset by your decision to attack Fimbulvetr, the way you started it was cowardice, but we welcome the war. I'm just poking at the "tactical plan" in which you guys are deploying, wondering if you actually thoroughly thought it through or not.
The truth is Hosp are just lame opportunist. They wait for 6 months for some BOLD attack that is just relieving the 7k dead French butt buddies that are waving the white flag to head home. HOSP, the clan that turtles for 6months against factions half their size and still takes massive losses while on defense. Anyhow, enjoy your hollow victory under false pretense that you were somehow wronged in the diplomatic process.
My words are my own and I had already decided to leave the game before you finally were able to grow a sac and actually attack something, you boring turtle-jews. Tragic, I know.
(...) those who have always had a hankering for us (...)
During the TKOV/ Hosp war, Nh declared war by attacking our villages followed by turboflex messaging me with something akin to "by the way hosp, we are joining the war." Right now, we are taking our stuff back. No fancy scroll of war declaration needed.
Also, turning Zagush into a sell village was an offense that we did not forget. :evil:
blah blah blah not important
Also, turning Zagush into a sell village was an offense that we did not forget. :evil:
The great war is looking more and more like it will be the first world war, the tundra alliance (and choas even though they have signed up enough people against VE to be a declaration of war) is still to choose a side but it is looking more and more like hospitaller is going to join hero party and Occitan making them the next faction to enter the fray. Suspicions will grow esponage will persist but this is the war to end all wars. Until next strat!
P.S. why now, I am on the border between HP and NH on my way back from eu please don't hurt me.
The truth is Hosp are just lame opportunist. They wait for 6 months for some BOLD attack that is just relieving the 7k dead French butt buddies that are waving the white flag to head home. HOSP, the clan that turtles for 6months against factions half their size and still takes massive losses while on defense. Anyhow, enjoy your hollow victory under false pretense that you were somehow wronged in the diplomatic process.
My words are my own and I had already decided to leave the game before you finally were able to grow a sac and actually attack something, you boring turtle-jews. Tragic, I know.
we can say the same to NH LAWL big time looking forward to see you guys get roll over... enjoy the figth and xp.
i remenber lame opportunist when ve/fcc invade hospitaller poor nh :(
Stay classy Arrowaine.
Stay classy Arrowaine.stay banned :twisted:
stay banned :twisted:
Anyone sense the obvious hypocrisy in Fimbulvetr's stance on this?(click to show/hide)
RIGTH sorry nh but i must admit im glad to see dracul be taken off.
What, exactly, is Fimbulvetr's stance on this?
I don't know, so I'll ad-lib one.
Obviously I can't speak for all of Fimbulvetr, but I know I speak for all of Fimbulvetr when I say that our official stance is: alright time's up, let's do this.
this was the most rat-tactic thing I've seen out of you guys in a long while.
I don't see the intelligence, and I think you guys slipping, could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure I'm right.
the way you started it was cowardice
Hospitaller oathbreaking thieves. Do not trust them.
Right back at ya buddy ;)
P.S.
I WILL DRINK FROM YAUR SKAULL
RIGTH sorry nh but i must admit im glad to see dracul be taken off.
Fimbulvetr didn't even want any part of this shit, but HP and Occitan got blood thirsty and dragged us in.Essentially summed up from my PoV.
Oh well, XP it is.
You don't really need to ad-lib when it's clearly in the thread above you.
Clearly I'm playing the hot-head here, my man. Leave the semi-rational bickering to others. I'm just here to yell "hold me back!!" at my allies and make scary faces.
So if this is WWI what's it going to take for the good ol' USA (AKA Tundra, land of Freedom) to get involved?
Just like your avatar eh? :)
Are those 2 Months over? If yes, you would have fallen back to neutrality as i haven't seen any other signed document. When that would be the case then, out of neutrality you always can be attacked or attack.
With a NAP out of my perspective there should be a 3 days grace period when broken, before you go to war afterwards, just to give the other side a chance to prepare a bit so that fiefs aren't undefended and only peasent battles would take place.
So if those 2 Months are over, which i haven'T checked yet, then Hosp wouldn't have done in diplomatic terms "bad" move and it wouldn't be counted against their trustworthyness. On the other hand if that 2 Months haven't been over then i would agree to "not not to be trusted lightly".
Yes those 2 months have been over for quite a while now.k, as that is clear, to the question of fiefs.
You can spin as much propaganda as you want about old events but the current & more pertinent facts are that you broke the non aggression agreement / promises you approached me with about a month ago.
You can spin as much propaganda as you want about old events but the current & more pertinent facts are that you broke the non aggression agreement / promises you approached me with about a month ago.
What pact did we break? that NAP ended months ago and as such we were simply neutral. There were no promises of being loving neighbours with smiles and candy. I went to Turboflex and stated that even tho they were at war with LCO and HP we were staying neutral, which we did.
Pacts, Agreements, Contracts, etc; only have credibility when their is an ability to enforce the agreement or penalize the people that break the agreement. The threat of VE is obviously what pushed them into whatever agreement they made, and now with VE's inability to enforce the agreement(busy in another war) they are longer bound by it.
Pacts, Agreements, Contracts, etc; only have credibility when their is an ability to enforce the agreement or penalize the people that break the agreement. The threat of VE is obviously what pushed them into whatever agreement they made, and now with VE's inability to enforce the agreement(busy in another war) they are longer bound by it.
When is FCC not in the middle of whatever war happens to be going on?
Our new plans will be seen soon. The terror rises
And Aztek you said much more that what you are saying here in this forum. Promises were made and you just arbitrarily breaking them will forever sour my and others opinion of you and those you represent. Also nobody is upset we are losing. We are annoyed that you made a agreement with us, then broke it arbitrarily. How are we supposed to ever trust you or your clan again? In this strat or the next? What about other clans and yours? Can they trust you to hold your promises now after this?
... Turbo can call me out if he wants because he was the one I dealt with, No one else from NH can say that so you guys need to stay out of this as far as quoting me on what our conversations went like.
Atleast tkov can show some class in war unlike NH.
Except I know exactly what was said and you are blatantly lying. Thank you for confirming it to me though. What respect I had for you just left.
Peppovitch, we are discussing the NAP agreement that was promised less then a month ago. Not the one that ended from the previous war. Also what shady ambush? We actually cancelled ALL our agreements with you before attacking. Unlike what you did to us this time. Despite all the bad blood between us I never thought our working relationship would end like this. Can say I am very disappointed, you guys were great allies and friends last strat, something clearly changed from then to now in your diplomatic core.
What class? They declared war on somebody they had a NAP with and we are calling them out on it, as it deserves to be made public.
Except I know exactly what was said and you are blatantly lying. Thank you for confirming it to me though. What respect I had for you just left.Do you have permission from TKOV to post? :P
Peppovitch, we are discussing the NAP agreement that was promised less then a month ago. Not the one that ended from the previous war. Also what shady ambush? We actually cancelled ALL our agreements with you before attacking. Unlike what you did to us this time. Despite all the bad blood between us I never thought our working relationship would end like this. Can say I am very disappointed, you guys were great allies and friends last strat, something clearly changed from then to now in your diplomatic core.
What class? They declared war on somebody they had a NAP with and we are calling them out on it, as it deserves to be made public.
You can spin as much propaganda as you want about old events but the current & more pertinent facts are that you broke the non aggression agreement / promises you approached me with about a month ago.Was that promised NAP agreed by you? Why is there no signed agreement in the Forum?
...indeed whats up with Chaos all this strat, there was something in the beginning with Fallen right? Afterwards nothing ... wake up Canary, pick a side, have some fun :twisted:
Only major faction missing, really, is chaos.
Was that promised NAP agreed by you? Why is there no signed agreement in the Forum?
After last strat i made it a habit to make treaties public from the get go, so ... missunderstandings ... wont happen that easily.
If someone is serrious about it, he can sign it in public, if not it wont come to it. If then a treaty is broken the public can respond accodingingly to the Oathbreaker.
Atm it would be your word against theirs and noone is any wiser here.
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There are a few facts you can't deny, FCC and TkoV are friends since strat 2.0, havent attacked each other had been allied before, didn't at each others throat this round, have toghether roughly 4 times the members as Hosp , 2-3 times claimed land and a lot of friends who either too cowardly to admit it or just plain opportunists which jump their bandwagon. Sure Hosp also have friends, but till now they sticked to "they stay in Step". To my own surprise even a former enemy joined their side as they recognized the inbalance in this war. The only thing which Hosp really did wrong in last in this strat, that some o their overcompensating bigdicks were send to do relations ground work and that others behaved like little childs on the NA servers ... but serriously i don't see there any differnce to ANY other clan my own including. Both sides are demonising the other and that overall backfires onto a deminishing community like ours. So even if Hosp go down balls blazing ... i think i got that expression wrong ^^, anyhow they will have fun doing it ;)
Pacts, Agreements, Contracts, etc; only have credibility when their is an ability to enforce the agreement or penalize the people that break the agreement. The threat of VE is obviously what pushed them into whatever agreement they made, and now with VE's inability to enforce the agreement(busy in another war) they are longer bound by it.