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Title: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Emotion on January 18, 2013, 02:30:52 pm
So what are your opinions.


Masterwork Heavy Crossbow

Type:Crossbow
Requirement:12 strength
Weight:4
Slots:2
Upkeep:975 gold
Reload speed: 105
Thrust:79 pierce
Missile speed:56
Accuracy:91
Ammo:1


Masterwork Arbalest

Type:Crossbow
Requirement:15 strength
Weight:4.3
Slots:2
Upkeep:1,315 gold
Reload speed: 78
Thrust:89 pierce
Missile speed:60
Accuracy:92
Ammo:1

Yea there is a difference in stats but I seem to 1 shot/2shot people just as much with the Heavy and obviously reload faster.

(clearly this has been done before REDO MOTHER FUCKERS.)



Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 18, 2013, 02:39:43 pm
I'd go for the heavy one but thats because im poor as fuck.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2013, 02:44:00 pm
Awwrbalest
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Emotion on January 18, 2013, 02:46:13 pm
With the damage scale, even with the Arbalest I tend to 2 shot allllllllllll the time, same as the Heavy.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 18, 2013, 02:56:03 pm
make headshots, with a crossbow its piss easy anyways. :lol:
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Tibe on January 18, 2013, 02:56:25 pm
Arbalest, its like meeting the devil himself. Heavy.......shoot moar please.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 18, 2013, 03:08:39 pm
ask rico_HRE, he knows

its the heavy one
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Haboe on January 18, 2013, 03:13:31 pm
Arbalest, for better aim (accuracy missile speed)
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2013, 03:18:59 pm
With the damage scale, even with the Arbalest I tend to 2 shot allllllllllll the time, same as the Heavy.


Stop posting on CRPG forums while you're at work. GET BACK 2 WORK!
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 18, 2013, 03:24:40 pm
Arbalest, for better aim (accuracy missile speed)
wrong
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 18, 2013, 03:26:41 pm
btw emotion, you could better post these discussions in the 'beginners help and guides' section, if people go look for an answer to their question they wont look in here
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Kafein on January 18, 2013, 03:51:06 pm
wrong

arbalest for supraluminal shots
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 18, 2013, 03:54:09 pm
i shouldnt be sharing this information, but arbalest actually is the least accurate xbow
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Kafein on January 18, 2013, 03:55:00 pm
i shouldnt be sharing this information, but arbalest actually is the least accurate xbow

The arc and bolt speed kinda compensate.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on January 18, 2013, 03:57:06 pm
So what are your opinions.


Masterwork Heavy Crossbow

Type:Crossbow
Requirement:12 strength
Weight:4
Slots:2
Upkeep:975 gold
Speed:56
Thrust:79 pierce
Missile speed:56
Accuracy:91
Ammo:1


Masterwork Arbalest

Type:Crossbow
Requirement:15 strength
Weight:4.3
Slots:2
Upkeep:1,315 gold
Speed:60
Thrust:89 pierce
Missile speed:60
Accuracy:92
Ammo:1

Yea there is a difference in stats but I seem to 1 shot/2shot people just as much with the Heavy and obviously reload faster.

(clearly this has been done before REDO MOTHER FUCKERS.)
I know it's a typo, but lol.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Gurnisson on January 18, 2013, 04:00:05 pm
Yup, missile speed mentioned twice. Reload speeds:

speed rating: 105 (H.xbow)
speed rating: 78 (Arbalest)
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 18, 2013, 04:02:44 pm
i think missile speed and a very small difference in damage is the only good thing about the arbalest
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Emotion on January 18, 2013, 04:40:59 pm
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Fixed. thank you.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Jarlek on January 18, 2013, 05:45:46 pm
Heavy xbow.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 18, 2013, 06:19:18 pm
I love the heavy xbow. With ~150 wpf that thing barely feels slower than a regular crossbow.

But right now I have 180 crossbow WPF and my +3 arbalest is throwing bolts like nobody's business.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Swaggart on January 18, 2013, 06:23:27 pm
The thing that makes the Heavy better than the Arbalest (in my mind) is the lack of firing delay and the reload speed. It's just as easy to headshot with either xbow the fact that you can fire faster is and without that fucking awful delay is such an advantage.

The only real advantage the arbalest has is the extra 10 damage.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Emotion on January 18, 2013, 06:40:41 pm
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Yea and even with that extra damage it still takes 2 shots most of the time. (same as the heavy)
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 18, 2013, 08:26:30 pm
Jesus fuck never realized crossbows had that high of pierce damage....that's like twice as high as any melee weapon that does pierce...
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2013, 08:35:27 pm
Jesus fuck never realized crossbows had that high of pierce damage....that's like twice as high as any melee weapon that does pierce...

Yeah but doesn't rain still like nerf half their dmg? + the long reload time = getting picked off by archers quite easily.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Smoothrich on January 18, 2013, 08:38:39 pm
Jesus fuck never realized crossbows had that high of pierce damage....that's like twice as high as any melee weapon that does pierce...

Because bows and weapons scale off PD and PS, xbows don't.

Ranged pierce (pierce in general really) is still too strong though, compared to nerfed cut.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Equal on January 18, 2013, 08:41:42 pm
I would go with arbalest, I watch Silveredge destroy with it so I imagine he thinks it the best, and ill take his word  on anything crossbow related


Honestly tho, the arbalest seems like it would help in a clutch scenario and towards the end of rounds, could definitely turn the tide when its down in the single digits for playercount.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Emotion on January 18, 2013, 08:46:56 pm
I would go with arbalest, I watch Silveredge destroy with it so I imagine he thinks it the best, and ill take his word  on anything crossbow related


Honestly tho, the arbalest seems like it would help in a clutch scenario and towards the end of rounds, could definitely turn the tide when its down in the single digits for playercount.

I think you mean Heavy Crossbow, as the Arbalest sucks towards the end of the round if the enemy knows where you are, because the long reload time; you only get 1-2 shots if there are smart enemies around.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2013, 08:49:39 pm
I think you mean Heavy Crossbow, as the Arbalest sucks towards the end of the round if the enemy knows where you are, because the long reload time; you only get 1-2 shots if there are smart enemies around.

That's why you'll go 15/24 build with maximum ath = Kite bitch KITE!


Or lvl 35 and go 15/30 MEGA KITE N HIT N RUN!
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Emotion on January 18, 2013, 09:00:50 pm
That's why you'll go 15/24 build with maximum ath = Kite bitch KITE!


Or lvl 35 and go 15/30 MEGA KITE N HIT N RUN!


You can't reload while kiting, and kiting at the end of the round is called delaying if you aren't actively attempting to win. #gf.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2013, 09:28:44 pm

You can't reload while kiting, and kiting at the end of the round is called delaying if you aren't actively attempting to win. #gf.

No that means you're taking cover to reload.


Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Tibe on January 18, 2013, 09:44:57 pm
I think you mean Heavy Crossbow, as the Arbalest sucks towards the end of the round if the enemy knows where you are, because the long reload time; you only get 1-2 shots if there are smart enemies around.

 You get get same, 1-2 shots at the end of the round if you are smart even when you use a HC. At the end of the round with couple of guys on both side it really matters little if you have arbalest or a HC. If 10 damage is really not a big deal to you, than I ask for your looms straight up front, cause everybody pays about a million for just +3 damage. :)
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: FrugFrug on January 18, 2013, 09:46:45 pm
Stones.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Nightingale on January 18, 2013, 11:12:19 pm
Been playing arbalest for awhile, its definitely not worth it, go heavy crossbow. Shouldn't have to explain why, I would just be repeating what everyone else has already said.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2013, 11:24:50 pm
Been playing arbalest for awhile, its definitely not worth it, go heavy crossbow. Shouldn't have to explain why, I would just be repeating what everyone else has already said.

Don't listen to Scilla! Go 15/24, +3 Arbalest, +3 Steel Bolts and stack on WM and Ath only!

Hide and shoot. It's great!
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Nightingale on January 18, 2013, 11:36:06 pm
Don't listen to Scilla! Go 15/24, +3 Arbalest, +3 Steel Bolts and stack on WM and Ath only!

Hide and shoot. It's great!

If you were going for that build why not go 15-27 9 athletics and 8 wm? build is just as accurate as 15-24 but much faster.

At level 32 you could even have 5 ps, 9 athletics and 9 weapon master 180 wpf+ and some WPF for 1 hander or 2 hander whatever floats your boat... If there were more Heavy xbows in Strat I'd definitely change my build, but I don't really play my main anymore besides strat battles. lol (Lame ikr)
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2013, 11:40:29 pm
If you were going for that build why not go 15-27 9 athletics and 8 wm? build is just as accurate as 15-24 but much faster.

At level 32 you could even have 5 ps, 9 athletics and 9 weapon master 180 wpf+ and some WPF for 1 hander or 2 hander whatever floats your boat... If there were more Heavy xbows in Strat I'd definitely change my build, but I don't really play my main anymore besides strat battles. lol (Lame ikr)

Cuz PS and IF just in case melee happens. Otherwise you'll get 1 shot.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Nightingale on January 18, 2013, 11:43:05 pm
Cuz PS and IF just in case melee happens. Otherwise you'll get 1 shot.
Don't listen to Scilla! Go 15/24, +3 Arbalest, +3 Steel Bolts and stack on WM and Ath only!

Hide and shoot. It's great!

Then you are not stacking only WM and athletics, also I have 0 ironflesh I wear medium armor and I never get 1 shot by anything but High powerstrike 2 handers and polearms and some throwers.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 18, 2013, 11:56:19 pm
Then you are not stacking only WM and athletics, also I have 0 ironflesh I wear medium armor and I never get 1 shot by anything but High powerstrike 2 handers and polearms and some throwers.

Cuz i use Light Light Armor on the STF alt lol.

Light Armor > 1 more ath.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Nightingale on January 18, 2013, 11:58:14 pm
Cuz i use Light Light Armor on the STF alt lol.

Light Armor > 1 more ath.

Light armor as in what?
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 19, 2013, 12:16:45 am
I  have 23 body armor, 15 STR, and no IF. I am shocked at how often it takes 2 or more hits for me to die. Sometimes I find myself running around spattered in blood with 2 arrows and a javelin in me. I probably would go for some wacky 12/33 or more AGI build if arbalests weren't in every important strat battle. And if I'm going to get 15 str anyway I might as well use an arbalest in battle and siege.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 19, 2013, 12:21:29 am
Light armor as in what?

Tunics.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Nightingale on January 19, 2013, 01:01:49 am
Thats exactly how I feel Witchcraft, and with tunics you are more likely than not to be hit more than once. With high athletics you should avoid group melee fighting anyway.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Penguin on January 19, 2013, 01:07:51 am
12/27 heavy xbow with 9 wm/9 ath/4 if/ 4ps was/is a fun build (before they nerfed speed while holding xbow you could kite a lot better)

Depending on your strengths, you could put 120+ points in 1h or 2h and still have 150+ for your xbow. If you're a good shooter you could have 180 wpf in xbow and 100 in 1h or 2h. It always used to be funny pulling out a pickaxe or hammer and beating down tin cans who assume you have no ps though its obviously a less viable tactic with all the speed/damage/etc. nerfs
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 19, 2013, 01:19:39 am
Thats exactly how I feel Witchcraft, and with tunics you are more likely than not to be hit more than once. With high athletics you should avoid group melee fighting anyway.

Inb4 aimbotting archer a'la Aderyn or whatever with Rus, Yumi or Horn Bow +3 1shots you from the other end of the map.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Silveredge on January 19, 2013, 01:40:59 am
I would go with arbalest, I watch Silveredge destroy with it so I imagine he thinks it the best, and ill take his word  on anything crossbow related

I was trying out JesusChrist's Heavy Crossbow.  I would say the reload speed to stopping power ratio is the best on the Heavy Crossbow, if you compare them solely on those two points I would say it would be the best choice.  However the normal Crossbow gives you the most consistent performance per round.  There's a lot more to consider when you're trying to pick which one fits your playstyle.  Slots is another thing you have to think about.  If you're on a map where you will get plenty of time to use up a stack of bolts, the Normal Crossbow is a better weapon(Unless you really dont care at all about melee).  It gives me the option to manually load another stack of bolts when I know I will use them and I don't mind the extra weight.  The Arbalest is a great weapon, but you either rape with it or do poorly.  The Arbalest is the absolute worst crossbow when the other team charges your position or you have a highly mobile fight, however it is the most devastating crossbow in a single shot.  But the Heavy Crossbow is not too far behind.

My favorite is the normal Crossbow, it has the most flexibility out of all of them.  Gives you the option to carry 2 stacks of bolts and still have a reliable weapon if you're 1h, or a good 2h and 1 stack of bolts depending on your wpf.  It does enough damage with headshots to 1-shot most of the cRPG population even at moderate range and in the hands of an efficient crossbowman, can manage in a mobile fight.  The weight nerfs really hurt crossbowmen, its incredible how much slower you move now, this is just another reason to go with the lighter choice.

Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Nightingale on January 19, 2013, 03:29:05 am
Inb4 aimbotting archer a'la Aderyn or whatever with Rus, Yumi or Horn Bow +3 1shots you from the other end of the map.

He doesn't one shot me. unless head shot, but that is fine and how it should be.


Also what Silveredge said, plus there is almost no reason to use the arbalest.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Bronto on January 19, 2013, 03:38:38 am
Dude I did 3 gens with heavy xbow and 1 with arbalest. there's a reason there are a million arbalests on marketplace and rarely heavy xbows. arbalest sucks in comparison, is a waste of gold, and creates more litter than the danish greatsword. go heavy xbow or uninstall.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 19, 2013, 04:08:55 am
There's more +3 Crossbows than +3 Arbas floating around. I can't fucking get rid of my xbow.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 19, 2013, 05:10:37 am
Meh atleast you'll know that with a +3 Arbalest you can snipe from far away in comparison to the inferior versions.

Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 19, 2013, 02:12:18 pm
if mw'd id pick arbalest over heavy though, +3 arba wrecks  :mad:
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Emotion on January 19, 2013, 02:37:49 pm
LOL, I have +3 Steel Bolts, +3 Regular Crossbow that I'll never get rid of, a +3 Heavy Crossbow, and a +3 Arbalest.

I know how good the regular crossbow is, sometimes I just wish to be "almost" pure xbow though. That's why I am deciding between my Heavy or Abalest, one or the other I will eventually get rid of.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: LordBerenger on January 19, 2013, 02:39:05 pm
LOL, I have +3 Steel Bolts, +3 Regular Crossbow that I'll never get rid of, a +3 Heavy Crossbow, and a +3 Arbalest.

I know how good the regular crossbow is, sometimes I just wish to be "almost" pure xbow though. That's why I am deciding between my Heavy or Abalest, one or the other I will eventually get rid of.

Go MW Arbalest. As long as you're accurate and make the shot count and always take the shot you'll rape with it.

Don't go over 15 str tho.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Bronto on January 19, 2013, 03:43:19 pm
It doesn't matter, it's still gonna take 2 bolts to drop a strength crunching plate wearing nooblord anyway, so pick the one you like. I like faster reload speed and a less common heirloom, other people crutch on max damage and a slow as fuck reload speed. it's up to you entirely. maybe go hunting xbow and be a real man.
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Ubereem on January 20, 2013, 01:58:55 am
mw crossbow + mw steel bolts = winner!
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: _Tak_ on January 20, 2013, 01:38:27 pm
arbalest needs a small buff, or just nerf heavy xbow

for score you get more in heavy xbow than in arbalest, arbalest sucks atm
Title: Re: Heavy Crossbow vs Arbalest.
Post by: Bronto on January 20, 2013, 01:46:39 pm
It's not about score man, it's about kills! The stats for both weapons have always been close this thread has just made people open their eyes. no reason to nerf or buff anything, except 2h, nerf. 2h.