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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Emotion on January 18, 2013, 02:30:52 pm
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So what are your opinions.
Masterwork Heavy Crossbow
Type:Crossbow
Requirement:12 strength
Weight:4
Slots:2
Upkeep:975 gold
Reload speed: 105
Thrust:79 pierce
Missile speed:56
Accuracy:91
Ammo:1
Masterwork Arbalest
Type:Crossbow
Requirement:15 strength
Weight:4.3
Slots:2
Upkeep:1,315 gold
Reload speed: 78
Thrust:89 pierce
Missile speed:60
Accuracy:92
Ammo:1
Yea there is a difference in stats but I seem to 1 shot/2shot people just as much with the Heavy and obviously reload faster.
(clearly this has been done before REDO MOTHER FUCKERS.)
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I'd go for the heavy one but thats because im poor as fuck. :mrgreen:
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Awwrbalest
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With the damage scale, even with the Arbalest I tend to 2 shot allllllllllll the time, same as the Heavy.
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make headshots, with a crossbow its piss easy anyways. :lol:
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Arbalest, its like meeting the devil himself. Heavy.......shoot moar please.
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ask rico_HRE, he knows
its the heavy one
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Arbalest, for better aim (accuracy missile speed)
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With the damage scale, even with the Arbalest I tend to 2 shot allllllllllll the time, same as the Heavy.
Stop posting on CRPG forums while you're at work. GET BACK 2 WORK!
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Arbalest, for better aim (accuracy missile speed)
wrong
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btw emotion, you could better post these discussions in the 'beginners help and guides' section, if people go look for an answer to their question they wont look in here
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wrong
arbalest for supraluminal shots
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i shouldnt be sharing this information, but arbalest actually is the least accurate xbow
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i shouldnt be sharing this information, but arbalest actually is the least accurate xbow
The arc and bolt speed kinda compensate.
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So what are your opinions.
Masterwork Heavy Crossbow
Type:Crossbow
Requirement:12 strength
Weight:4
Slots:2
Upkeep:975 gold
Speed:56
Thrust:79 pierce
Missile speed:56
Accuracy:91
Ammo:1
Masterwork Arbalest
Type:Crossbow
Requirement:15 strength
Weight:4.3
Slots:2
Upkeep:1,315 gold
Speed:60
Thrust:89 pierce
Missile speed:60
Accuracy:92
Ammo:1
Yea there is a difference in stats but I seem to 1 shot/2shot people just as much with the Heavy and obviously reload faster.
(clearly this has been done before REDO MOTHER FUCKERS.)
I know it's a typo, but lol.
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Yup, missile speed mentioned twice. Reload speeds:
speed rating: 105 (H.xbow)
speed rating: 78 (Arbalest)
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i think missile speed and a very small difference in damage is the only good thing about the arbalest
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I know it's a typo, but lol.
Yup, missile speed mentioned twice. Reload speeds:
speed rating: 105 (H.xbow)
speed rating: 78 (Arbalest)
Fixed. thank you.
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Heavy xbow.
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I love the heavy xbow. With ~150 wpf that thing barely feels slower than a regular crossbow.
But right now I have 180 crossbow WPF and my +3 arbalest is throwing bolts like nobody's business.
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The thing that makes the Heavy better than the Arbalest (in my mind) is the lack of firing delay and the reload speed. It's just as easy to headshot with either xbow the fact that you can fire faster is and without that fucking awful delay is such an advantage.
The only real advantage the arbalest has is the extra 10 damage.
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The thing that makes the Heavy better than the Arbalest (in my mind) is the lack of firing delay and the reload speed. It's just as easy to headshot with either xbow the fact that you can fire faster is and without that fucking awful delay is such an advantage.
The only real advantage the arbalest has is the extra 10 damage.
Yea and even with that extra damage it still takes 2 shots most of the time. (same as the heavy)
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Jesus fuck never realized crossbows had that high of pierce damage....that's like twice as high as any melee weapon that does pierce...
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Jesus fuck never realized crossbows had that high of pierce damage....that's like twice as high as any melee weapon that does pierce...
Yeah but doesn't rain still like nerf half their dmg? + the long reload time = getting picked off by archers quite easily.
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Jesus fuck never realized crossbows had that high of pierce damage....that's like twice as high as any melee weapon that does pierce...
Because bows and weapons scale off PD and PS, xbows don't.
Ranged pierce (pierce in general really) is still too strong though, compared to nerfed cut.
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I would go with arbalest, I watch Silveredge destroy with it so I imagine he thinks it the best, and ill take his word on anything crossbow related
Honestly tho, the arbalest seems like it would help in a clutch scenario and towards the end of rounds, could definitely turn the tide when its down in the single digits for playercount.
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I would go with arbalest, I watch Silveredge destroy with it so I imagine he thinks it the best, and ill take his word on anything crossbow related
Honestly tho, the arbalest seems like it would help in a clutch scenario and towards the end of rounds, could definitely turn the tide when its down in the single digits for playercount.
I think you mean Heavy Crossbow, as the Arbalest sucks towards the end of the round if the enemy knows where you are, because the long reload time; you only get 1-2 shots if there are smart enemies around.
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I think you mean Heavy Crossbow, as the Arbalest sucks towards the end of the round if the enemy knows where you are, because the long reload time; you only get 1-2 shots if there are smart enemies around.
That's why you'll go 15/24 build with maximum ath = Kite bitch KITE!
Or lvl 35 and go 15/30 MEGA KITE N HIT N RUN!
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That's why you'll go 15/24 build with maximum ath = Kite bitch KITE!
Or lvl 35 and go 15/30 MEGA KITE N HIT N RUN!
You can't reload while kiting, and kiting at the end of the round is called delaying if you aren't actively attempting to win. #gf.
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You can't reload while kiting, and kiting at the end of the round is called delaying if you aren't actively attempting to win. #gf.
No that means you're taking cover to reload.
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I think you mean Heavy Crossbow, as the Arbalest sucks towards the end of the round if the enemy knows where you are, because the long reload time; you only get 1-2 shots if there are smart enemies around.
You get get same, 1-2 shots at the end of the round if you are smart even when you use a HC. At the end of the round with couple of guys on both side it really matters little if you have arbalest or a HC. If 10 damage is really not a big deal to you, than I ask for your looms straight up front, cause everybody pays about a million for just +3 damage. :)
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Stones.
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Been playing arbalest for awhile, its definitely not worth it, go heavy crossbow. Shouldn't have to explain why, I would just be repeating what everyone else has already said.
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Been playing arbalest for awhile, its definitely not worth it, go heavy crossbow. Shouldn't have to explain why, I would just be repeating what everyone else has already said.
Don't listen to Scilla! Go 15/24, +3 Arbalest, +3 Steel Bolts and stack on WM and Ath only!
Hide and shoot. It's great!
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Don't listen to Scilla! Go 15/24, +3 Arbalest, +3 Steel Bolts and stack on WM and Ath only!
Hide and shoot. It's great!
If you were going for that build why not go 15-27 9 athletics and 8 wm? build is just as accurate as 15-24 but much faster.
At level 32 you could even have 5 ps, 9 athletics and 9 weapon master 180 wpf+ and some WPF for 1 hander or 2 hander whatever floats your boat... If there were more Heavy xbows in Strat I'd definitely change my build, but I don't really play my main anymore besides strat battles. lol (Lame ikr)
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If you were going for that build why not go 15-27 9 athletics and 8 wm? build is just as accurate as 15-24 but much faster.
At level 32 you could even have 5 ps, 9 athletics and 9 weapon master 180 wpf+ and some WPF for 1 hander or 2 hander whatever floats your boat... If there were more Heavy xbows in Strat I'd definitely change my build, but I don't really play my main anymore besides strat battles. lol (Lame ikr)
Cuz PS and IF just in case melee happens. Otherwise you'll get 1 shot.
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Cuz PS and IF just in case melee happens. Otherwise you'll get 1 shot.
Don't listen to Scilla! Go 15/24, +3 Arbalest, +3 Steel Bolts and stack on WM and Ath only!
Hide and shoot. It's great!
Then you are not stacking only WM and athletics, also I have 0 ironflesh I wear medium armor and I never get 1 shot by anything but High powerstrike 2 handers and polearms and some throwers.
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Then you are not stacking only WM and athletics, also I have 0 ironflesh I wear medium armor and I never get 1 shot by anything but High powerstrike 2 handers and polearms and some throwers.
Cuz i use Light Light Armor on the STF alt lol.
Light Armor > 1 more ath.
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Cuz i use Light Light Armor on the STF alt lol.
Light Armor > 1 more ath.
Light armor as in what?
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I have 23 body armor, 15 STR, and no IF. I am shocked at how often it takes 2 or more hits for me to die. Sometimes I find myself running around spattered in blood with 2 arrows and a javelin in me. I probably would go for some wacky 12/33 or more AGI build if arbalests weren't in every important strat battle. And if I'm going to get 15 str anyway I might as well use an arbalest in battle and siege.
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Light armor as in what?
Tunics.
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Thats exactly how I feel Witchcraft, and with tunics you are more likely than not to be hit more than once. With high athletics you should avoid group melee fighting anyway.
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12/27 heavy xbow with 9 wm/9 ath/4 if/ 4ps was/is a fun build (before they nerfed speed while holding xbow you could kite a lot better)
Depending on your strengths, you could put 120+ points in 1h or 2h and still have 150+ for your xbow. If you're a good shooter you could have 180 wpf in xbow and 100 in 1h or 2h. It always used to be funny pulling out a pickaxe or hammer and beating down tin cans who assume you have no ps though its obviously a less viable tactic with all the speed/damage/etc. nerfs
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Thats exactly how I feel Witchcraft, and with tunics you are more likely than not to be hit more than once. With high athletics you should avoid group melee fighting anyway.
Inb4 aimbotting archer a'la Aderyn or whatever with Rus, Yumi or Horn Bow +3 1shots you from the other end of the map.
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I would go with arbalest, I watch Silveredge destroy with it so I imagine he thinks it the best, and ill take his word on anything crossbow related
I was trying out JesusChrist's Heavy Crossbow. I would say the reload speed to stopping power ratio is the best on the Heavy Crossbow, if you compare them solely on those two points I would say it would be the best choice. However the normal Crossbow gives you the most consistent performance per round. There's a lot more to consider when you're trying to pick which one fits your playstyle. Slots is another thing you have to think about. If you're on a map where you will get plenty of time to use up a stack of bolts, the Normal Crossbow is a better weapon(Unless you really dont care at all about melee). It gives me the option to manually load another stack of bolts when I know I will use them and I don't mind the extra weight. The Arbalest is a great weapon, but you either rape with it or do poorly. The Arbalest is the absolute worst crossbow when the other team charges your position or you have a highly mobile fight, however it is the most devastating crossbow in a single shot. But the Heavy Crossbow is not too far behind.
My favorite is the normal Crossbow, it has the most flexibility out of all of them. Gives you the option to carry 2 stacks of bolts and still have a reliable weapon if you're 1h, or a good 2h and 1 stack of bolts depending on your wpf. It does enough damage with headshots to 1-shot most of the cRPG population even at moderate range and in the hands of an efficient crossbowman, can manage in a mobile fight. The weight nerfs really hurt crossbowmen, its incredible how much slower you move now, this is just another reason to go with the lighter choice.
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Inb4 aimbotting archer a'la Aderyn or whatever with Rus, Yumi or Horn Bow +3 1shots you from the other end of the map.
He doesn't one shot me. unless head shot, but that is fine and how it should be.
Also what Silveredge said, plus there is almost no reason to use the arbalest.
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Dude I did 3 gens with heavy xbow and 1 with arbalest. there's a reason there are a million arbalests on marketplace and rarely heavy xbows. arbalest sucks in comparison, is a waste of gold, and creates more litter than the danish greatsword. go heavy xbow or uninstall.
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There's more +3 Crossbows than +3 Arbas floating around. I can't fucking get rid of my xbow.
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Meh atleast you'll know that with a +3 Arbalest you can snipe from far away in comparison to the inferior versions.
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if mw'd id pick arbalest over heavy though, +3 arba wrecks :mad:
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LOL, I have +3 Steel Bolts, +3 Regular Crossbow that I'll never get rid of, a +3 Heavy Crossbow, and a +3 Arbalest.
I know how good the regular crossbow is, sometimes I just wish to be "almost" pure xbow though. That's why I am deciding between my Heavy or Abalest, one or the other I will eventually get rid of.
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LOL, I have +3 Steel Bolts, +3 Regular Crossbow that I'll never get rid of, a +3 Heavy Crossbow, and a +3 Arbalest.
I know how good the regular crossbow is, sometimes I just wish to be "almost" pure xbow though. That's why I am deciding between my Heavy or Abalest, one or the other I will eventually get rid of.
Go MW Arbalest. As long as you're accurate and make the shot count and always take the shot you'll rape with it.
Don't go over 15 str tho.
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It doesn't matter, it's still gonna take 2 bolts to drop a strength crunching plate wearing nooblord anyway, so pick the one you like. I like faster reload speed and a less common heirloom, other people crutch on max damage and a slow as fuck reload speed. it's up to you entirely. maybe go hunting xbow and be a real man.
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mw crossbow + mw steel bolts = winner!
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arbalest needs a small buff, or just nerf heavy xbow
for score you get more in heavy xbow than in arbalest, arbalest sucks atm
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It's not about score man, it's about kills! The stats for both weapons have always been close this thread has just made people open their eyes. no reason to nerf or buff anything, except 2h, nerf. 2h.