cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lt_Anders on December 21, 2012, 04:23:32 am
Title: NA servers: How to fix or How do we get better one?
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 21, 2012, 04:23:32 am
So, How do we fix the NA servers to get either something that works or how do we fix the one we got?
I just read that ever the regular NA server gets 50 FPS and NA 3 gets 30 FPS regardless of Client side FPS.
FIX PLEASE or TELL US HOW TO HELP!
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Post by: Miley on December 21, 2012, 05:02:34 am
FPS and blocks not registering or going opposite ways depending on whose screen you're looking at...
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Post by: a_bear_irl on December 21, 2012, 07:46:32 am
yeah shit's really lame, we're a 1/3rd of the playerbase (maybe a larger percentage now) and NA 3 is just straight up incapable of running strat battles (even duel is laggy nowadays) and NA 1 is also known to shit the bed during primetime. (sometimes my ping goes from 75 to 110 which is amazing let me tell you)
i think everyone in NA would be happy to contribute to better servers, but honestly based on the current situation it seems like EU gets funding disproportionate to their playerbase.
also move the servers to dallas TIA
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Post by: LordBerenger on December 21, 2012, 11:24:18 am
This makes sense now when thinking of it. If it's not client based. No wonder turning down settings to shit barely helped.
FIX NA SERVERS NOW!
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 21, 2012, 02:58:27 pm
The amazing thing to me is that it couldn't be entirely difficult to remedy this situation. You've got dozens of fine Americlaps willing to throw ameribucks at the problem; it's not financial. I don't imagine that ordering or renting a server based in Clapistan is too tricky even if you live in Yuroville. So, here's the possible situations as I see it:
1. The devs refuse to read the many, many topics about this. Almost impossible. 2. The devs have been thinking about the perfect way to fix this for many, many months and refuse to take any action until a FINAL SOLUTION is created. Also unlikely. 3. The devs enjoy the pain and suffering of clapistani scum such as ourselves. The problem is not a problem after all, but a simple feature insuring good laughs from across the pond. Highly likely.
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Post by: BaleOhay on December 21, 2012, 05:32:17 pm
devs hate americans fills them with glee to see us suffer.
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 21, 2012, 07:37:38 pm
I don't think the dev's want to take our money is the problem.
And anyone could have asked me, I get 250fps constantly in the battle server and in strat it will drop to around 150 mark (but pretty consistent 150-250fps), but I'm obviously not getting 250fps because the server is only processing 30 or 60fps. Usually battle on NA1 is fine, but I will sometimes notice it there too.
This is been an ongoing issue, and it makes trying to fight in strat battles a huge chore.
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Post by: a_bear_irl on December 22, 2012, 06:54:49 am
A video about the issue from BADPLAYER
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Post by: Paul on December 22, 2012, 06:57:42 am
chadz and cmp are aware of that problem. Dunno what that means for changing the status quo though.
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 22, 2012, 09:27:09 am
indeed, NA server costs twice the money EU costs ;)
we're aware of it, and thinking about ways to solve it
Why don't you just cut back on our server sizes, imo siege could truly use an 80 slot limit and NA-1 could go back to 120. Also, does the NA3 server need 200 slots? I'm all for cutting down on our server slot limits, if it reduces the price for servers and can get us a better strat server.
Edit: Doesn't contribute to the price.
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Post by: Froto_the_Loc on December 22, 2012, 08:01:19 pm
indeed, NA server costs twice the money EU costs ;)
we're aware of it, and thinking about ways to solve it
admittedly i was just trying to bait one of you into responding but - how is it possible that the NA server costs twice as much yet remains three times as shitty?
froto: most of the holds you see badplayer doing were not intentional
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Post by: chadz on December 22, 2012, 08:20:03 pm
US hosting seems to cost twice as much as EU, possibly even more.
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Post by: Miley on December 22, 2012, 08:25:08 pm
We don't pay per slot, we rent a dedicated server. Lowering slot does absolutely nothing to the price.
Ok, I always thought slot count contributed to the cost.
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 22, 2012, 10:02:01 pm
While it is certainly not false that NA servers cost considerably more, why is this preventing us from getting a new server, again? I don't believe that the server prices in NA will go down; there's not really much to think about.
What I request is this; please post the prices of the server boxes that are available to you for rent. If the cost is able to be covered by NA donations either wholly or near-entirely, get a new box for NA. If not, then at least we have some numbers to it, instead of a statement of "We're thinking about what to do."
Don't misunderstand me, I fuckin' love you devs. I'm not losing sleep over having a shite NA_3 server. I have contributed very, very little to the mod, while you guys made the damn thing. Much respect and love to you guys for it, but there's NO reason to refrain from posting the data on server costs unless you do not wish the community to know how much it costs...which I consider to be quite shady.
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Post by: a_bear_irl on December 22, 2012, 10:16:23 pm
yeah, i'd be interested in seeing some numbers on what the specs are now, NA vs EU hardware, but mostly how much we (NA) would have to donate to get a server that would run better
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Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on December 23, 2012, 02:25:02 am
I didn't see lag. Can I get a specific time when it would happen?
To be honest it's really hard to see it, but boy oh boy, play a large strat battle sometime, NA of course. You will feel it. Let me put it like this, last battle I got 27 kills, and after EVERY one of them, my response was the same; "wow....I'm not even sure how that happened....but cool I got a kill?".
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Post by: BaleOhay on December 23, 2012, 03:10:42 am
My experience as a 1 hander is interesting since I have to be so close to kill people. With shield up swings get thru all the time so you are never really sure if you will be hit. Not sure if this is just me but I am not really able to do overheads... I do not mean I can nto seem to hit anything, I mean I do the up attack and nothing happens. My character just ignores the command about 8 times out of 10. Its frustrating.
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Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on December 23, 2012, 03:35:03 am
My experience as a 1 hander is interesting since I have to be so close to kill people. With shield up swings get thru all the time so you are never really sure if you will be hit or not. Not sure if this is just me or not but I am not really able to do overheads... I do not mean I can nto seem to hit anything, I mean I do the up attack and nothing happens. My character just ignores the command about 8 times out of 10. Its frustrating.
Agreed. And boy hilt-slash and backswings become worse than ever with the lag. Yeah I noticed a lot of the time I'll block an attack then click to swing, and my guy sort of just sits there doing nothing, doesn't ready a swing or anything, and then of course I get hit.
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 23, 2012, 04:03:36 am
The best bet for me is finding either a pike or a long swingable polearm and S-key all day, spamming the whole time. It's really hard to block or feint at all, but spam is certainly achievable and effective.
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Post by: Rumblood on December 23, 2012, 06:33:38 am
My experience as a 1 hander is interesting since I have to be so close to kill people. With shield up swings get thru all the time so you are never really sure if you will be hit. Not sure if this is just me but I am not really able to do overheads... I do not mean I can nto seem to hit anything, I mean I do the up attack and nothing happens. My character just ignores the command about 8 times out of 10. Its frustrating.
What I've been getting is I'll throw a spear, instead I hear the throwing sound, but it doesnt throw and I don't lose any ammo.
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Post by: LordLargos on December 23, 2012, 08:23:53 am
During the recent BIRD vs Hero party strat battle this topic came up considering about 30-45 minutes into the battle it takes 3-5 clicks to swing and by the time you do a friendly has moved infront of you or a 2hander just spamms you. People even said they were willing to contribute if you promised their donations would go to a new NA3 server since it is completely inadequate for a strat battle. If chadz or whoever gives us a goal to reach for donations towards a new NA3 or multiple NA servers I am sure we would be able to make it.
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Post by: LordLargos on December 23, 2012, 08:29:29 am
"Agreed. And boy hilt-slash and backswings become worse than ever with the lag. Yeah I noticed a lot of the time I'll block an attack then click to swing, and my guy sort of just sits there doing nothing, doesn't ready a swing or anything, and then of course I get hit. " TheAppleSauceMan Oh and Applesauce I feel your pain my KDR just starts falling part because of those problems and people spectating me probably think I have some mental illness. -Don't know why my quote format disappeared
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Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on December 23, 2012, 09:10:00 am
"Agreed. And boy hilt-slash and backswings become worse than ever with the lag. Yeah I noticed a lot of the time I'll block an attack then click to swing, and my guy sort of just sits there doing nothing, doesn't ready a swing or anything, and then of course I get hit. " TheAppleSauceMan Oh and Applesauce I feel your pain my KDR just starts falling part because of those problems and people spectating me probably think I have some mental illness. -Don't know why my quote format disappeared
Yeah any hope for a decent or regular KDR sort of goes out the window once you realize that getting kills is more luck then skill due to lag. But at least there's good exp I guess. Heh.
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Post by: San on December 23, 2012, 09:22:49 am
Do well the first 20 minutes, then it becomes hard afterwards. Got killed by a long spear user even though I was holding downblock in front of him for at least a second. There were some other similar deaths near the end. Others are having similar lag issues, so I can't say I felt any more disadvantaged as the next guy, but combat certainly dumbs down a lot.
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Post by: SHinOCk on December 23, 2012, 01:21:23 pm
Chamber my HBS on horseback, does not swing for 3 sec when i release my left click then it finally releases in the face of a friendly 20 feet further down the road...GF
I have more fun doing battles on EU_3 with 115 ping than on NA_3 with 39, that tells you something
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Post by: Goretooth on December 23, 2012, 02:40:05 pm
Bring back dallas servers
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Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on December 23, 2012, 10:27:00 pm
Do well the first 20 minutes, then it becomes hard afterwards. Got killed by a long spear user even though I was holding downblock in front of him for at least a second. There were some other similar deaths near the end. Others are having similar lag issues, so I can't say I felt any more disadvantaged as the next guy, but combat certainly dumbs down a lot.
Yet you still manage to get some crazy feints off with that pick that hurt my eyes just trying to track it. :(
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Post by: chadz on December 24, 2012, 12:19:41 am
We are currently discussing and picking out possible alternative targets that offer a better hosting than what we have now. Looks like an xmas gift might be incoming.
Also, it's of course no secret what the current servers costs: It's about 230$ per month for NA, about 150€ per month for EU, and 50~something € per month for the webservers.
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Post by: a_bear_irl on December 24, 2012, 12:43:57 am
DONT MOVE THE SERVERS ANYWHERE BUT DALLAS
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Post by: a_bear_irl on December 24, 2012, 12:45:38 am
for the love of god please don't move them anywhere east
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Post by: Rumblood on December 24, 2012, 01:34:36 am
We are currently discussing and picking out possible alternative targets that offer a better hosting than what we have now. Looks like an xmas gift might be incoming.
Also, it's of course no secret what the current servers costs: It's about 230$ per month for NA, about 150€ per month for EU, and 50~something € per month for the webservers.
So how much would an upgraded server cost? Because 230$ is not double the price of EU, since 175 euros is 230$. Unless when you say Na servers are double the price you mean a good one.
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Post by: Pentecost on December 24, 2012, 01:49:13 am
In which state are the NA servers currently hosted?
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Post by: a_bear_irl on December 24, 2012, 03:21:17 am
chicago (illinois)
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Post by: Sandersson Jankins on December 24, 2012, 03:31:55 am
Bear knows what he's talking about when he says move the servers to dallas. Doesn't fuck anyone over except for far northern canuckians. It's a nice 40-60 ping for just about everybody.
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Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 24, 2012, 01:38:34 pm
Also, it's of course no secret what the current servers costs: It's about 230$ per month for NA, about 150€ per month for EU, and 50~something € per month for the webservers.
how much do you cover by donation?
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Post by: Ozin on December 24, 2012, 02:01:15 pm
I believe chadz ordered a new server for na yesterday, with prices similar to the eu servers :D
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Post by: BaleOhay on December 24, 2012, 05:04:56 pm
Great news. We appreciate it
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 24, 2012, 05:32:00 pm
We are currently discussing and picking out possible alternative targets that offer a better hosting than what we have now. Looks like an xmas gift might be incoming.
Also, it's of course no secret what the current servers costs: It's about 230$ per month for NA, about 150€ per month for EU, and 50~something € per month for the webservers.