Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Angantyr on December 01, 2012, 02:21:27 pm
Title: Archery speed technique
Post by: Angantyr on December 01, 2012, 02:21:27 pm
One of the World's fastest archers, Lars Andersen:
http://9gag.com/gag/5950619?ref=popular
edit: slightly misleading title, and sorry Rufio didn't see you post this in the General Discussion :wink:
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: pingpong on December 01, 2012, 02:43:31 pm
REPOSTTTTT
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Laufknoten on December 01, 2012, 03:18:03 pm
I don't think real archers jumped around like sissies when they shot their arrows...
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Oberyn on December 01, 2012, 03:48:57 pm
What's the draw poundage on these bows? When he does the jumping around, falling down, etc maneuvers his arrows can't even pierce the crappy round few centimeter thick targets.
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Angantyr on December 01, 2012, 03:52:07 pm
What's the draw poundage on these bows? When he does the jumping around, falling down, etc maneuvers his arrows can't even pierce the crappy round few centimeter thick targets.
Check the end of the video. In the info page it is stated that he used 30 and 35 pound bows. Not enough do deal with real layered armour. Especially if the bow is not fully drawn.
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Molly on December 01, 2012, 05:20:04 pm
Since nobody here is probably anywhere near to being able to do that shit...
I think it's still impressive.
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Banok on December 01, 2012, 05:26:58 pm
still, using this technique and fully drawing the bow would still mean archer could fire alot faster.
personally I think lajos kassai's technique is more realistic and impressive, he can fire more arrows and fully draws the bow, all from horseback.
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Angantyr on December 01, 2012, 06:05:16 pm
I like how the overdub is not related at ALL to what he says there. Other than "firing very rapidly", he says exact numbers, but I can't make it out because of the stupid dub.
Genius.
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Rumblood on December 02, 2012, 03:23:53 am
Check the end of the video. In the info page it is stated that he used 30 and 35 pound bows. Not enough do deal with real layered armour. Especially if the bow is not fully drawn.
Yes, but he is a soft modern man. A hard medieval warrior would not have an issue doing that with double or more the draw that our modern wimp used here.
Title: Re: Archery speed technique
Post by: Paul on December 02, 2012, 10:23:56 am
That modern wimp propably trains more than every medival man would have had time or desire for. From my point of view close combat rapid fire archery is only usable from horseback and against low-armour targets. On foot it's better to stick to fully drawn long distance archery unless one is behind strong fortifications that seperates the angry target footman from oneself.
Title: Re: Archery speed technique
Post by: Havoco on December 02, 2012, 10:46:56 am
3rd post of this vid.
Anyways, that would be awesome if this was worked into crpg. I know, not gonna happen, but still it would be a great, dynamic addition
Maybe adding this in as an alternate mode archery with a damage decrease.
Title: Re: Archery speed technique
Post by: Rumblood on December 03, 2012, 06:39:36 pm
That modern wimp propably trains more than every medival man would have had time or desire for. From my point of view close combat rapid fire archery is only usable from horseback and against low-armour targets. On foot it's better to stick to fully drawn long distance archery unless one is behind strong fortifications that seperates the angry target footman from oneself.
Men were FULL TIME warriors then. While some troops were farmers and peasants in whatever they could put together, FIGHTING men trained to fight. Coupled with the fact that in some periods it was the LAW to practice and that many other field sports and games were outlawed to enforce the practicing, whether they desired it or not is besides the point. Not to mention that once standards for skill were made into law, you practiced until you GOT that skill. Also, Lars practiced for 3 years to get that technique. It didn't say how old he was, but even at 20 years old, he is still at least 10 years behind the training of historical archers. :idea:
Title: Re: Archery speed technique
Post by: Paul on December 03, 2012, 06:53:59 pm
No, that law was made so the English were forced to train once a week while they would have prefered to do other stuff. That is not much. That English longbowmen mystification bs is just as bad as the katana stuff.
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Tigero on December 03, 2012, 07:37:25 pm
Yes, but he is a soft modern man. A hard medieval warrior would not have an issue doing that with double or more the draw that our modern wimp used here.
A hard medieval warrior propably wasn't much stronger than average joes today...
Bow drawing is 40% technique, most people could draw a 60 pounder, but definently not shoot properly. With proper muscle groups trained and proper technique, 100 pound bow is no longer anything impossible to draw and aim, or rather relase intuitively as quickly as possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgyXYnfPFQc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgyXYnfPFQc) Look at the smoothness of the motion, it's using all the momentum possible and the string arm moves right after bow-holding arm is straight, theres also a twisting motion.
Also bow effectiveness is not about the poundage, its a combination of arrow weighth, throw (springiness of the bow) and force (pounds) a high pound, low throw bow should be used with heavy arrows for most energy to the arrow, a high throw low pound bow with light arrows. (The bow that horse archerer on the first page used looked like it could throw an arrow with lightspeed, just the sound *bink* QQ)
Title: Re: World-class archery
Post by: Rumblood on December 04, 2012, 01:16:33 am
However I will assert that a man whose life depends upon his bow and trained their entire lives for it, will be able to outdraw and perform our soft modern man who does it for a hobby for 3 years. :idea: