A masterwork Great Estoc would be the weapon no. 1 for 2h stab abusers. 34 pierce stab would be overkill and 37 damage is what you can still call decent cutting power. If you have the models please add them. :)
Hoplites get several more points of damage on their thrusts, comparable reach with the hoplite animation bonus, and have a lovely shield to stand around and poke. 1handers get a few options to have 30+ pierce damage on their thrusts as well, and have very effective animations themselves + shield.
You forgot to mention the part where hoplites get a 30% damage and speed penalty for using a spear with a shield (putting their damage below both the German and Danish), how the Battle Fork, Red Tassel, and War Spear get outstabbed by greatswords even with the animation bonus you mention, and how the one-handed stab is a situational rather than universal attack like the two-handed stab is. I think you should include these points for consideration so that the Estocs, if they are added, are added to the game in a form with parity relative to other melee weapons with similar roles.
that sword couldnt even cut stale bread, terrible stats. get real
Thrust damage should be through the roof but the swing damage should be like 20 slash.
Better idea would be to give the Estock a bonus to swing damage if used without a shield.
I endorse this, 2h stabbers needed!
I personally would undoubtedly use a Kanzer. However I think the blunt damage would have to be increased a little, current suggested value is rather weak. Yes I understand it is a stabbing weapon and in real life the damage would not be significant but still. Under 20 blunt damage is quite weak, I think the Estoc should do 19/20 and the Kanzer should do 21/22 while Great Estoc should do 25 in my opinion.
Can't use on horseback
Ahhh fair enough. Yeah people might cry about this request but I think it is sorely needed, I've always wanted a 94 speed two handed weapon with a good stab. I also love non cut damage types :). Perhaps they could have a base swing damage type of cut and a secondary mode of blunt? (With no other changes, I hate how secondary modes are always unnecessarily bad)
I would love to use a Kanzer, it also has the possibility to look completely awesome with and without Finalboss' heirloom pack, so I would most likely want a loomed one straight away.
Yes, that is what I would prefer as well. Low base cut in regular mode, and turning the sword to use the blunter end for its alt mode that has blunt damage + possibly knockdown. Could be too complicated or end up not making sense with the model chosen, though. Thing is it was either a dull-sided spike like a Goedendag, or was made to have a sharpened edge for slashing but was still mostly a thrusting, plate piercing weapon. I think it would do the Estoc concept justice to have both options in the weapons, though.
Instead, every sword just has a useless halfswording mode that uses polearm WPF. It usually gives weapons stats similar to what I am suggesting, but removes an overhead, uses polearm animations, and there is no reason for a polearm user to use them over an actual polearm.
Did my idea just get diggled?You got totally Diggled there! 8-)
Alternatively if it has to be using the 2h animations.
Great Estoc
31p thrust
20b swing
90 speed
125 reach
2.5 weight
This is great! 2 handed weapons has the least amount of equipment to choose from than any other melee class. Need to add more!
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
Think of the strength it will require and the fact that two handed stabs are now arguably inferior to other stab types, I don't believe this would be in any way overpowered.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Think of the strength it will require and the fact that two handed stabs are now arguably inferior to other stab types
Think of the strength it will require and the fact that two handed stabs are now arguably inferior to other stab types, I don't believe this would be in any way overpowered.
The problem is the hold time. Still a 2H with only one decent attack direction isn't going to be super deadly.You can't use any WFaS stuff in a Warband mode and vice versa. Sad but true.
2H strength is that each attck direction is useful most of the time. Polearm and 1H have very conditional attack directions with varying speed and reach.
I would endorse both a 1H and a 2H "sword" (if anyone has played f&s).
A 1H stabbing sword skin does exist in fire and sword. I don't know if we have the appropriate permissions.
Lately I'm finding 2h hiltslash to be way more annoying and OP than the 2h thrust; guys with 92 speed 2h are double-hitting against my 100 speed weapon because they are able to strafe left while turning into a right swing.
Give it war spear-ish stats, and I don't see a problem with this proposed weapon.
Somewhat biased view, since a stab is the worst attack against a sheilder. That being said, I wouldn't mind similar stats to the war spear, more swing damage though because its cut and maybe 30-31 pierce.
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/estoc