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Title: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Mlekce on November 05, 2012, 04:48:40 pm
Our nice devs decided to "nerf" 2h and archery,but instead of nerfing it they buffed it.
Only Danish and German GS got -2 speed and every 2h weapon got a buff in stats,speed,dmg...
They even added more cut and pierce for Danish and GS.
HBS,Longsword are almoust unblockable in agility char hands.
I dunno much abbout ranged since i newer was an good archer,but this new longbow stats are great.
If u use bodikins arrows that convert cut to pierce you can get 31 pierce dmg and deal dmg as steel pick do.
I remember times when every noob who get to horse can have a good score,now with this ammount of ranged you need to be at least good as royans to live first minute as cav.
Lancing dmg is shit,and instead of balancing game you will get now archers ammount increased.
Everyone is crying abbout danish and archery but ammount of 2h and ranged are increasing,not decreasing.

So i don't know why u biching abbout nerf when ur classes are op now then ever. I would like to 1h get this cind of nerf.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Osiris on November 05, 2012, 04:49:42 pm
they made archers slower yay! and re balanced 2h i wouldn't say they wanted to nerf them.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Dezilagel on November 05, 2012, 04:51:47 pm
HBS,Longsword are almoust unblockable in agility char hands.

Yep, completely unblockable.

And cav is really up and hard to play too.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Mlekce on November 05, 2012, 04:52:44 pm
this will cause a lot of - but 2h are now OP then ever.
They have speed of 1h weapons and dmg of polearms.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 05, 2012, 04:54:39 pm
Nerf archers (by making them unable to run and shoot another day) nerf cavalry's best weapon, add more damage to 2h's.  Seems like a normal c-rpg patch to me.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Mlekce on November 05, 2012, 05:07:56 pm
..............................
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 05, 2012, 05:11:23 pm
Yeah I'm a heavy lance + courser cav.  Thankfully I have a +3 heavy lance (so it's tolerable), but I've used regular heavy lances in strat battles (23pierce) and they are absolutely garbage.  A lance is better than a +3 heavy lance, that's just fucked up and I'm really glad they just completely wasted my 3 loompoints I put into the heavy lance.  I can't even give this fucking thing away now.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Tovi on November 05, 2012, 05:14:45 pm
Shielders just need shield bash. We don't ask any buff or nerf.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Adamar on November 05, 2012, 05:30:20 pm
I want to be able to defend myself in melee and shoot, both have always been hard, but now it's worse.

All archers have been slowed down in an attempt to remove kiters. Making melee easier for meleers is bad for ballance.

Devs need to come up with a fair solution and stop cathering to pure build noobs.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Kafein on November 05, 2012, 05:31:58 pm
Devs need to come up with a fair solution and stop cathering to pure build noobs.

That's exactly what they did by making the pure agi (after having enough PD) archer non-optimal, mind you.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Malaclypse on November 05, 2012, 05:32:23 pm
I don't understand the reasoning behind buffing Longsword/HBS because they were already both phenomenal weapons.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Adamar on November 05, 2012, 05:33:21 pm
That's exactly what they did by making the pure agi (after having enough PD) archer non-optimal, mind you.

They made all archers bad and now pure meleers can not only run over kiters, but also dance around the rest.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Kafein on November 05, 2012, 05:37:06 pm
I don't understand the reasoning behind buffing Longsword/HBS because they were already both phenomenal weapons.

EU balancers make a balance patch tailored for the EU metagame, which had almost no short 2h.

They made all archers bad

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and now pure meleers can not only run over kiters, but also dance around the rest.

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Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Matey on November 05, 2012, 05:39:24 pm
As per usual... shielders get nothing.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Malaclypse on November 05, 2012, 05:39:58 pm
EU balancers make a balance patch tailored for the EU metagame, which had almost no short 2h.

While that may be, I think that the nerf on the longer 2-hands would have been sufficient with no buff needed for the shorter ones; or, buff the shorter ones but leave the longer ones unchanged. It seems pretty overkill and unnecessary to do both!
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Adamar on November 05, 2012, 07:29:31 pm
trolling...

The devs increased weight in order to kill kitting, so yes, every archer is now slower than before, which makes melee harder. Some actual arguments would be valuable.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Dezilagel on November 05, 2012, 07:34:00 pm
Oh god.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 05, 2012, 07:36:53 pm
Patch was a lie to keep the donkey floating.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Elio on November 05, 2012, 07:52:57 pm
Meanwhile no one cares about polearms..

To counter cavs they buff archers, and to counter archers? for sure they buff shielders/2h.

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I say, un-nerf/buff turn/spin ability.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Piok on November 05, 2012, 08:16:12 pm
As per usual... shielders get nothing.
Polearmers as well..
We lost title of most damaging cut weapons. And with 2h sweepspots many new Ivani4 clones will arise.
But we get another new weapons which nobody will use.. Fine compensation
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: cmp on November 05, 2012, 08:25:19 pm
"truth" not truth
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 05, 2012, 08:30:48 pm
"truth" not truth

How about giving us some information about the patch instead of adding random words in the threads?
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: cmp on November 05, 2012, 08:33:52 pm
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's random.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: XyNox on November 05, 2012, 08:39:37 pm
As per usual... shielders get nothing.

Im afraid a godmode button is already the most you can get. What else should there be ? Thorn shields with refelcting damage ?
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Rebelyell on November 05, 2012, 08:40:42 pm
just wait for the BIG PACH
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 05, 2012, 08:42:25 pm
just wait for the BIG PACH


2010 is a long way from here
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Aku_Ankka on November 05, 2012, 08:45:57 pm
This is funny. It seems like people do nothing but complain. No matter what gets buffed / nerfed, people always keep on crying.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 05, 2012, 08:47:30 pm
This is funny. It seems like people do nothing but complain. No matter what gets buffed / nerfed, people always keep on crying.

We are still humans who dislike having the good stuff taken away from us :cry:

Forever a whiner.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 05, 2012, 08:53:29 pm
The truth is that heavy lance users got hit the hardest and even if Mlecke talked about it in the OP most people fail to see it because everyone got so confused by the archer overnerf and 2h inner balancing... Community I am disappoint.

I got a new name for the weapon: Heavy Glance :mrgreen:
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: LordBerenger on November 05, 2012, 08:53:56 pm
That's exactly what they did by making the pure agi (after having enough PD) archer non-optimal, mind you.

U sure about that? My 15/24, 8 ath 5 PD, 8 WM, 2 IF Horn Bow , light armored STF can kite like fuck and deal nice dmg with 2 quivers of bodkins. +0 gear
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Teeth on November 05, 2012, 09:14:59 pm
The truth is that heavy lance users got hit the hardest and even if Mlecke talked about it in the OP most people fail to see it because everyone got so confused by the archer overnerf and 2h inner balancing... Community I am disappoint.

I got a new name for the weapon: Heavy Glance :mrgreen:
Yeah, cause heavy lance cav was a really bad class that never topped the scoreboard. It could not take the loss of 3 pierce damage, no one plays it anymore since the patch.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 05, 2012, 09:40:40 pm
I dunno much abbout ranged since i newer was an good archer,but this new longbow stats are great.
If u use bodikins arrows that convert cut to pierce you can get 31 pierce dmg and deal dmg as steel pick do.
How is this new?
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 05, 2012, 09:47:17 pm
Yeah, cause heavy lance cav was a really bad class that never topped the scoreboard. It could not take the loss of 3 pierce damage, no one plays it anymore since the patch.
Well -3 pierce damage is pretty dramatic change for a weapon that basically has one attack direction in it's normal use. Tell that to all the people who have retired or respec'd to become 1h cavalry and use the great lance as their second weapon. 1h cav deals crazy damage, and they are able to use those couching lances effectively. If I take a couching lance what do I use for secondary if I get into a situation where I have to use something else? Long hafted blade? Lol...
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 05, 2012, 09:50:00 pm
In my experience, a poleaxe or a great axe or a long hafted mace are wonderful secondaries.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 05, 2012, 09:55:04 pm
In my experience, a poleaxe or a great axe or a long hafted mace are wonderful secondaries.
From horseback? :D
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 05, 2012, 09:57:04 pm
From horseback? :D


Poleaxe from horseback has a mean point-blank shotgun thrust.


/me shrugs


Regardless, I was thinking when you were dismounted.


Of course two ad one handers will have an edge in point-blank melees, you (polearm) have the edge for ranged thrusts. Can't have the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Thomek on November 05, 2012, 09:57:53 pm
Well -3 pierce damage is pretty dramatic change for a weapon that basically has one attack direction in it's normal use. Tell that to all the people who have retired or respec'd to become 1h cavalry and use the great lance as their second weapon. 1h cav deals crazy damage, and they are able to use those couching lances effectively. If I take a couching lance what do I use for secondary if I get into a situation where I have to use something else? Long hafted blade? Lol...

Still see cav doing very fine Odin. (better KD than any other class today on EU1, topping too..)  Sometimes my mind is boggled by yours and Kafeins blindness to cav being totally OP. Otherwise reasonable people, perhaps blinded by their own lack of skill? Or just lobbying for their class idk..

Overall happy with the patch so far.. :)
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 05, 2012, 09:59:25 pm
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Except for the onehanded cav who use the great lance (the couch lance) without any pole wpf. They can have the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Rhekimos on November 05, 2012, 10:11:50 pm
Still see cav doing very fine Odin. (better KD than any other class today on EU1, topping too..)  Sometimes my mind is boggled by yours and Kafeins blindness to cav being totally OP. Otherwise reasonable people, perhaps blinded by their own lack of skill? Or just lobbying for their class idk..

Overall happy with the patch so far.. :)

Whenever I see you post, it's usually about nerfing cav or ranged, so I imagine this patch was particularly pleasing. And a 2h buff too.

But the biggest thing you always close your eyes to in these topics is that cav players have a ton of more upkeep than the usual 2h player running around in medium armor and a 10k sword. Should cav that play with up to an average of 50k worth of equipment for the cost conscious (and quite a bit more for heavier horses and better equip) be on par with a infantry player that has an upkeep for 20k?

If you want them to be on equal footing, the price of playing cavalry should also be drastically reduced.

perhaps blinded by their own lack of skill?

Those are some fighting words.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 05, 2012, 10:14:10 pm
Still see cav doing very fine Odin. (better KD than any other class today on EU1, topping too..)  Sometimes my mind is boggled by yours and Kafeins blindness to cav being totally OP. Otherwise reasonable people, perhaps blinded by their own lack of skill? Or just lobbying for their class idk..

Overall happy with the patch so far.. :)

Those people almost certainly have a +3 heavy lance, which is the same damage as a pre-patch normal heavy lance.  The original heavy lance is absolutely terrible now (23p damage).  The regular lance is better than a +3 heavy lance now. 

That's fine if they want my heavy lance to be absolutely terrible, it would just be nice if I knew this before the patch so I could have sold it.  Now it's fucking worthless.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Thomek on November 05, 2012, 10:18:17 pm
So your reasoning is that they top the scoreboard because they have a +3 heavy lance, while yours have become fucking worthless?  :lol:

I don't get it.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Gurnisson on November 05, 2012, 10:20:52 pm
Except for the onehanded cav who use the great lance (the couch lance) without any pole wpf. They can have the best of both worlds.

It was always easy being 1H/great lance cav, and with the lance changes we might get more great lances on the servers again. If you don't get HA/HX on your ass you're pretty much able to one-hit everyone but people with bamboo spears or longer weapons without too much problem. However, they were never really that popular, most likely with the heavy lance being able to dish out only slightly weaker damage with the couch while still posing a big threat with high-damaging thrusts. Being able to attack more often is also one of the big plus sides of the other lances. I wouldn't say that they have the best of both worlds, Odin, but they would've had that if the great lance was sheathable. If it was, I think the number of great lances would rise even higher and even be quite op. :wink:

What really needs to be done is internal lance balance. Heavy Lance is an expensive piece of garbage and should either get some damage back or get noticeably cheaper. Right now it's a bad joke.


15/18 great lance/1h cav superiority. Yesterday (no looms)

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Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Thomek on November 05, 2012, 10:23:37 pm
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Yeah poor cav.. No looms you say? :)
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Bjord on November 05, 2012, 10:24:54 pm
Mlekce, dear god please get a spell checker.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Rhekimos on November 05, 2012, 10:32:58 pm
I always found the Great Lance the cavalry equivalent of taking a Flamberge or a Glaive and backpedaling to victory.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 05, 2012, 10:36:03 pm
So your reasoning is that they top the scoreboard because they have a +3 heavy lance, while yours have become fucking worthless?  :lol:

I don't get it.

No I'm saying my reasoning is that you can still do well with a 26p heavy lance, that's why they are doing well.  Compared to a lance, it's not nearly as good though.  Meaning my +3 heavy lance is not as good as a normal lance.
Title: Re: The truth abbout patch "nerf"
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 05, 2012, 10:57:46 pm
Yeah poor cav.. No looms you say? :)
Did you read his (or my) posts at all, or is your understanding a bit weak atm? I'm bitching about how 1h cav is so much better than lance cav atm. Gurnisson played with great lance/1h cav. Meaning probably with no wpf in poles whatsoever and using great lance when he sees good opportunities to rape infantry over. 1h when you drag some poor stab lancer to a corner where he can't do anything (or simply just slash the horse's head from a convenient angle)... That's what I would do.

*answering to Thomek mode off*

Yes Gurni you are right it's not necessarily "best of both worlds" but in my opinion pretty close to it at the moment :D. Yes heavy glance is an expensive joke now. Especially unloomed (don't want to even imagine). There is basically no reason for me to use even the +3 one because normal lance delivers better damage and speed with the cost of 10 reach. Not to speak how much cheaper it is in gold.