The truth abbout patch "nerf"

[Teeth]

The truth is that heavy lance users got hit the hardest and even if Mlecke talked about it in the OP most people fail to see it because everyone got so confused by the archer overnerf and 2h inner balancing... Community I am disappoint.

I got a new name for the weapon: Heavy Glance

Yeah, cause heavy lance cav was a really bad class that never topped the scoreboard. It could not take the loss of 3 pierce damage, no one plays it anymore since the patch.

[Tears of Destiny]

I dunno much abbout ranged since i newer was an good archer,but this new longbow stats are great.
If u use bodikins arrows that convert cut to pierce you can get 31 pierce dmg and deal dmg as steel pick do.

How is this new?

[Son Of Odin]

Yeah, cause heavy lance cav was a really bad class that never topped the scoreboard. It could not take the loss of 3 pierce damage, no one plays it anymore since the patch.

Well -3 pierce damage is pretty dramatic change for a weapon that basically has one attack direction in it's normal use. Tell that to all the people who have retired or respec'd to become 1h cavalry and use the great lance as their second weapon. 1h cav deals crazy damage, and they are able to use those couching lances effectively. If I take a couching lance what do I use for secondary if I get into a situation where I have to use something else? Long hafted blade? Lol...

[Tears of Destiny]

In my experience, a poleaxe or a great axe or a long hafted mace are wonderful secondaries.

[Son Of Odin]

In my experience, a poleaxe or a great axe or a long hafted mace are wonderful secondaries.

From horseback?

[Tears of Destiny]

From horseback?

Poleaxe from horseback has a mean point-blank shotgun thrust.

* Tears of Destiny shrugs

Regardless, I was thinking when you were dismounted.


Of course two ad one handers will have an edge in point-blank melees, you (polearm) have the edge for ranged thrusts. Can't have the best of both worlds.

[Thomek]

Well -3 pierce damage is pretty dramatic change for a weapon that basically has one attack direction in it's normal use. Tell that to all the people who have retired or respec'd to become 1h cavalry and use the great lance as their second weapon. 1h cav deals crazy damage, and they are able to use those couching lances effectively. If I take a couching lance what do I use for secondary if I get into a situation where I have to use something else? Long hafted blade? Lol...

Still see cav doing very fine Odin. (better KD than any other class today on EU1, topping too..)  Sometimes my mind is boggled by yours and Kafeins blindness to cav being totally OP. Otherwise reasonable people, perhaps blinded by their own lack of skill? Or just lobbying for their class idk..

Overall happy with the patch so far..

[Son Of Odin]

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Poleaxe from horseback has a mean point-blank shotgun thrust.

* Tears of Destiny shrugs

Regardless, I was thinking when you were dismounted.


Of course two ad one handers will have an edge in point-blank melees, you (polearm) have the edge for ranged thrusts. Can't have the best of both worlds.

Except for the onehanded cav who use the great lance (the couch lance) without any pole wpf. They can have the best of both worlds.

[Rhekimos]

Still see cav doing very fine Odin. (better KD than any other class today on EU1, topping too..)  Sometimes my mind is boggled by yours and Kafeins blindness to cav being totally OP. Otherwise reasonable people, perhaps blinded by their own lack of skill? Or just lobbying for their class idk..

Overall happy with the patch so far..

Whenever I see you post, it's usually about nerfing cav or ranged, so I imagine this patch was particularly pleasing. And a 2h buff too.

But the biggest thing you always close your eyes to in these topics is that cav players have a ton of more upkeep than the usual 2h player running around in medium armor and a 10k sword. Should cav that play with up to an average of 50k worth of equipment for the cost conscious (and quite a bit more for heavier horses and better equip) be on par with a infantry player that has an upkeep for 20k?

If you want them to be on equal footing, the price of playing cavalry should also be drastically reduced.

perhaps blinded by their own lack of skill?

Those are some fighting words.

[CrazyCracka420]

Still see cav doing very fine Odin. (better KD than any other class today on EU1, topping too..)  Sometimes my mind is boggled by yours and Kafeins blindness to cav being totally OP. Otherwise reasonable people, perhaps blinded by their own lack of skill? Or just lobbying for their class idk..

Overall happy with the patch so far..

Those people almost certainly have a +3 heavy lance, which is the same damage as a pre-patch normal heavy lance.  The original heavy lance is absolutely terrible now (23p damage).  The regular lance is better than a +3 heavy lance now. 

That's fine if they want my heavy lance to be absolutely terrible, it would just be nice if I knew this before the patch so I could have sold it.  Now it's fucking worthless.

[Thomek]

So your reasoning is that they top the scoreboard because they have a +3 heavy lance, while yours have become fucking worthless? 

I don't get it.

[Gurnisson]

Except for the onehanded cav who use the great lance (the couch lance) without any pole wpf. They can have the best of both worlds.

It was always easy being 1H/great lance cav, and with the lance changes we might get more great lances on the servers again. If you don't get HA/HX on your ass you're pretty much able to one-hit everyone but people with bamboo spears or longer weapons without too much problem. However, they were never really that popular, most likely with the heavy lance being able to dish out only slightly weaker damage with the couch while still posing a big threat with high-damaging thrusts. Being able to attack more often is also one of the big plus sides of the other lances. I wouldn't say that they have the best of both worlds, Odin, but they would've had that if the great lance was sheathable. If it was, I think the number of great lances would rise even higher and even be quite op.

What really needs to be done is internal lance balance. Heavy Lance is an expensive piece of garbage and should either get some damage back or get noticeably cheaper. Right now it's a bad joke.


15/18 great lance/1h cav superiority. Yesterday (no looms)

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[Thomek]

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It was always easy being 1H/great lance cav, and with the lance changes we might get more great lances on the servers again. If you don't get HA/HX on your ass you're pretty much able to one-hit everyone but people with bamboo spears or longer weapons without too much problem. However, they were never really that popular, most likely with the heavy lance being able to dish out only slightly weaker damage with the couch while still posing a big threat with high-damaging thrusts. Being able to attack more often is also one of the big plus sides of the other lances. I wouldn't say that they have the best of both worlds, Odin, but they would've had that if the great lance was sheathable. If it was, I think the number of great lances would rise even higher and even be quite op.

What really needs to be done is internal lance balance. Heavy Lance is an expensive piece of garbage and should either get some damage back or get noticeably cheaper. Right now it's a bad joke.


15/18 great lance/1h cav superiority. Yesterday (no looms)

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Yeah poor cav.. No looms you say?

[Bjord]

Mlekce, dear god please get a spell checker.

[Rhekimos]

I always found the Great Lance the cavalry equivalent of taking a Flamberge or a Glaive and backpedaling to victory.