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Strategus => Strategus General Discussion => Topic started by: Tanken on November 03, 2012, 12:29:28 am
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I don't want to sound like an ass when I come out and say this, but uh, what's with the exploits going on?
You've got Remnants taking over a fief from Fallen by attacking it when it's about to be attacked. Isn't the fief transfer that Remnant is doing with Fallen illegal by cmp's standards considering he outed Hospitallers for doing the same thing? Attacking a fief for a "Transfer" right as its about to be attacked, instead of doing the much simpler process of a Remnant joining Fallen Faction, being granted the fief, then leaving and rejoining the faction? Smells kinda fishy from a 3rd Party perspective.
And then you've also got Teutonics doing the same thing with FCC right now at Slezkh right as an army is moving to take it too.
Something's fishy here fellers. Play by the rules. It's much easier to transfer fiefs by joining their faction, getting the fief, leaving, and rejoining yours. The method you're doing now is doing nothing but preventing armies that are ready to attack from attacking it. Big no no.
I'd like to see some Devs weigh in here, since I'm sure this will get downvoted and all sorts of defenses will be thrown up--but if Hospitallers got outed for it and barked at, and the precedent was set as to how it should be done--why are we allowing these clans to do the same?
Discuss.
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You mean an enemy is about to attack their fief, but their ally attacks is slightly faster so they get another 24h of reinforcing time?
That is indeed exploiting.
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Well fallen are at war with Chaos, Occitan, Pale Horsemen, and KUTT
I don't see any declaration of war for HG/Remnant and they're attacking the fief
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I wouldn't say that FCC plans on reinforcing Slezkh. They're transferring it to Teutonics, as an army is ready to move onto the fief from Curaw. Obviously delaying it 24 hours instead of doing the rightful (and easier) transfer.
Seems as though a request for some Dark Force intervention is in order.
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I don't think the teutonic attack is an exploit. They attacked and lost and so FCC is just taking over it instead
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Lets wait and see explanations from both groups before we call anything exploits.
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I don't think the teutonic attack is an exploit. They attacked and lost and so FCC is just taking over it instead
Not that one Tugboat, look at Slezkh.
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Not been involved in this at all so not commenting as an official Fallen or anything, but a screenshot of the area shows no imminent attacking army.
http://i.imgur.com/7xiQZ.jpg
There could be an army in one of the fiefs but for now i'm guessing this a simple ignorance rather than deliberate exploiting :D
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How would Slezkh be an exploit too? If they attacked Slezkh and defeated it who cares who they give it to?
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You've got Remnants taking over a fief from Fallen by attacking it when it's about to be attacked. Isn't the fief transfer that Remnant is doing with Fallen illegal by cmp's standards considering he outed Hospitallers for doing the same thing? Attacking a fief for a "Transfer" right as its about to be attacked, instead of doing the much simpler process of a Remnant joining Fallen Faction, being granted the fief, then leaving and rejoining the faction? Smells kinda fishy from a 3rd Party perspective.
Oh shut up. The fief transfer was not even negotiated for, they simply attacked so that they could nab it before our enemies could without consulting us first.
It's not illegal if it is an actual attack, and there are NO armies nearby that could even attack it in the first place.
Crystal Balls will make you go crazy, I suggest you stop using yours at once as well as stop making shit up. First you have the balls to babble on about the Fallen's "real motivation" for attacking you for being Greed because you can't be assed to read a declaration of WAR on YOUR faction (Due to it being "boring" of all excuses) nor read my actual responses, even though we actually flat out stated it as one of our reasons multiple times, and now you all of a sudden are making up armies out of thin-air and making up pretend treaties and exchanges and accusing us of exploiting because you have a stick up your ass and don't double-check your 'facts.'
Making assumptions is a stupid thing to do when accusing people of exploiting, especially when it involves zero facts to back anything up.
Stop shitposting.
The above is merely my opinion and not the representation of the Coalition nor the Fallen Brigade.
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Oh shut up. The fief transfer was not even negotiated for, they simply attacked so that they could nab it before our enemies could without consulting us first.
It's not illegal if it is an actual attack, and there are NO armies nearby that could even attack it in the first place.
Crystal Balls will make you go crazy, I suggest you stop using yours at once as well as stop making shit up. First you have the balls to babble on about the Fallen's "real motivation" for attacking you for being Greed because you can't be assed to read a declaration of WAR on YOUR faction (Due to it being "boring" of all excuses) nor read my actual responses, even though we actually flat out stated it as one of our reasons multiple times, and now you all of a sudden are making up armies out of thin-air and making up pretend treaties and exchanges and accusing us of exploiting because you have a stick up your ass and don't double-check your 'facts.'
Making assumptions is a stupid thing to do when accusing people of exploiting, especially when it involves zero facts to back anything up.
Stop shitposting.
The above is merely my opinion and not the representation of the Coalition nor the Fallen Brigade.
First off all, calm down Tears, calm down.
I was asking a question, because Hospitallers got balled on by the devs for doing the same thing and everyone was crying witch against them. You stated in another thread (let me find quote) IT WAS A FIEF TRANSFER that you were aware of so don't play dumb.
The FCC one is also a fief transfer. They promised it to Teutonics (from what I understand) in exchange for betraying us. I'm just pointing out that there is something fishy going on. So, calm down.
Oops, is Ayyike just a village transfer? I glanced at the battles list before updating and haven't caught up on the forum yet.
Also, is Remnant's contract with the FCC still in effect? Just wondering because the thread was locked.
Remnant is at war with us, what? Where was that mentioned?
Looks like your post after that was edited, not saying it said it was a fief transfer, but even Knute, the individual running the Relations Thread saw that it was a transfer and corrected his mistake.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Well as there is no public Remnant war declaration, one would think of the attack as a transfer.
See there was a reason behind the battle. Just wait and explanations will cover everything. Though the slezekh battles is fishy. Right in the middle of kutt territory they perform a fief transfer?....when both sides are at war with kutt....? Fishy.
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:( was looking forward to seeing al-adin again, shame there is a nice explanation from the fallen.
Not that I am saying that you should exploit, but it would be fun to repeat that siege...
argh where is the video of the wizard attack? Cant find it :(
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I just find it odd and quite weird that these circumstances would align in such a way, it seems questionable that you guys would clear out the entire fief, then a neutral/friendly party would swoop in and "attack" the fief and you guys wouldn't sign anyone up. Sounds like a fief transfer to me and on the cover, nothing can really say anything else.
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seems that attacking as form of transferring is still common, I see to uif attacks that seem to be transferrs as well. one can argue that it aint delaying if there is no army in sight, but a 24 hour lock down does seem to exceed the travel time for an approaching army...
maybe this should be forbidden altogether, and inter-clan fieftransferrs safeguarded by captchas or (are you sure) messages should be implemented?
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The thread I keep referring to is this one:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/astralis-vs-hospitaller-battles-(attacking-your-own-fiefs)/
So if I am off-base and misreading it or pointing something out that is not entirely true, please, by all means say so and correct my error. I just thought (haven't reread the whole thing) that it was mentioned and discussed that the proper way to transfer fiefs was not by attacking and instead by transferring.
Apologies if this is creating a shit storm. It is not my intention, though it most likely seems that way. I was under the impression it was against the rules after this thread, so let me know otherwise any devs/admins.
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in order to prevent them from being attacked by enemies
i guess this is the arguable part. at what point is the attack imminent? the dark force attacked in a case were the enemy army was practically holding right infront of the fief.
so at this point I would guess its only forbidden if an attack is sure to happen. needs clarification id say
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I can say in Slezkh's instance that it was prepared to be attacked and an army had started to move out right as the attack was made.
But let's say I believe you (which I don't, for the record); have the Astralis guys join your clan and use the fief transfer function. I still expect the attacks to be called off.
^ Example from cmp what should have happened to make the transfer. Still applies in this case imo.
As for Occitan in the area, Chaos, and Pale Horsemen, I'm not sure of their whereabouts in proximity or their targetting of the fief, but considering the attack was launched last night, any current screenshots are going to do little-to-no justice about armies that were approaching since they most likely ducked back in wherever they were at once they realized it was contested.
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I don't think any exploits are going on
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If they are at war with Fallen then why don't they announce it?
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If they are at war with Fallen then why don't they announce it?
Laziness probably, or maybe they just want the one fief and not everything. I don't know.
/me shrugs
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The only thing I'm declaring is that I'm a greedy fuck, nothing personal Tears. Now the rest of you monitor tanning nerds stick your retainers back in and calm the fuck down.
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Seems like they saw an opportunity to take a fief and went for it. I don't see why the automatic assumption is that there's some shady business going on.
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The only thing I'm declaring is that I'm a greedy fuck, nothing personal Tears. Now the rest of you monitor tanning nerds stick your retainers back in and calm the fuck down.
Fuck bitches, get money.
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Seems like they saw an opportunity to take a fief and went for it. I don't see why the automatic assumption is that there's some shady business going on.
Probably people are assuming things because I said we are not at war with Remnants, and Remnants never declared war (because lod knows people follow 'rules of warfair' to the letter in Strat :rolleyes: ).
Regardless, I respect this as this is a manly reason unlike some of the whiners and pansies who believe in honor on these forums and other lame things:The only thing I'm declaring is that I'm a greedy fuck, nothing personal Tears. Now the rest of you monitor tanning nerds stick your retainers back in and calm the fuck down.
Still not at war though :P
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Still not at war though :P
We're still going to the prom though.
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We're still going to the prom though.
Hell yeah we are! I just bought a nice dress and I'm not letting it go to waste!
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I can say in Slezkh's instance that it was prepared to be attacked and an army had started to move out right as the attack was made.
That is completely made up. You haven't budged from Curaw in weeks since you don't want to reduce the army for the city defense. No army was marching on Slezkh, especially with a 2200 man Teutonic army right next to it. The fief owner needs to be in the fief to do a direct transfer. i was the fief owner and if you hadn't noticed I was busy helping the attack on Reyvadin and then preparing for attacking all the KUTT guys hiding in Reyvadin after it was taken. I was not avialbale to do direct transfer. If we thought it was going to be attacked we wouldn't have had teutons attack it as we would love to draw your army out for an open field battle so all the chevalieres can ride their horses. We would love it if you atatcked some of these villages instead of stockpiling troops in Curaw while we attack any people you send out of Curaw.
There was no army, we would not want to stop you from attacking anything as it only would be to our benefit. They attacked it because there was no one else there just us and them.
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Just here to point out that I was in the village yesterday night (retreated there after my failed assault on Ismail or whatever village) and, up until a few hours before the fief transfer, there were NO visible armies.
Also, a few other things:
-The attack on the fief was pre-determined a few days now. Before any "attack" to it.
-You attacking the village would mean that you would leave the fortress (our main objective) undefended. Considering that the fortress is our main objective and we had an army of 2.2k on your doorstep (less than half a day march) attacking our village would be a huge help indeed. If you indeed intended to attack that village, better start thanking your good luck that we decided to transfer it at that time instead of telling us we exploited stuff :/. Exploiting against our interests sounds pretty dumb, doesn't it?
-Finally, as said above, normal transfer was impossible since the fief owner was far away.
I mean no offence or disrespect to you KUTTs. I respect you as a clan and like you as players. Strategus is still a "noice battles, extra exp and, hey, why not? Fancy title!" thingy for me....
...but let's not throw wild accusations around, shall we gentlemen?
May the best man win in this war, in a fair manner.
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Just here to point out that I was in the village yesterday night (retreated there after my failed assault on Ismail or whatever village) and, up until a few hours before the fief transfer, there were NO visible armies.
Also, a few other things:
-The attack on the fief was pre-determined a few days now. Before any "attack" to it.
-You attacking the village would mean that you would leave the fortress (our main objective) undefended. Considering that the fortress is our main objective and we had an army of 2.2k on your doorstep (less than half a day march) attacking our village would be a huge help indeed. If you indeed intended to attack that village, better start thanking your good luck that we decided to transfer it at that time instead of telling us we exploited stuff :/. Exploiting against our interests sounds pretty dumb, doesn't it?
-Finally, as said above, normal transfer was impossible since the fief owner was far away.
I mean no offence or disrespect to you KUTTs. I respect you as a clan and like you as players. Strategus is still a "noice battles, extra exp and, hey, why not? Fancy title!" thingy for me....
...but let's not throw wild accusations around, shall we gentlemen?
May the best man win in this war, in a fair manner.
Silence traitor! You're dead to me!
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Silence traitor! You're dead to me!
Don't tell me what to do MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
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I was really tempted to post against Kesh about being wrong and not following cmp's orders in that thread blah blah blah, but then I remembered I put my big boy pants on today, and yes, they're new.
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I was really tempted to post against Kesh about being wrong and not following cmp's orders in that thread blah blah blah, but then I remembered I put my big boy pants on today, and yes, they're new.
And yet you couldn't help yourself but bring it up anyway :mrgreen:
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hehehe. I went back and edited it a minute later and was like, "Ah fuck it, may as well throw a few weak jabs in there. Wouldn't be fitting if I didn't." :lol: :lol:
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It does look suspicious, but the Fallen Brigade has had no communication with Remnant. Simply a land grab by Remnant.
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And then you've also got Teutonics doing the same thing with FCC right now at Slezkh right as an army is moving to take it too.
What happened to the impending attack on Slezkh? I really do not think you had any intention of spending troops and gear taking a fief we could just come back and get again. It would not make any strategic sense.
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What happened to the impending attack on Slezkh? I really do not think you had any intention of spending troops and gear taking a fief we could just come back and get again. It would not make any strategic sense.
well, yeah, especially considering they really didn't have much gear in the end :/
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Remnants are attacking a KUTT fief tonight. Please do not sign up anyone on the KUTT side as this makes it much easier for us to exploit and transfer the village to us.
You may complain about it later on the forums.
Your cooperation is appreciated.
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In reference to Ayyike...
No war with Fallen...apologies to Tears for taking your fief man (got nothing but love).
But definitely not a transfer of any kind.
Fallen was getting gang-war dec'd and Sauce and I decided to pick up Ayyike. Was gonna go to someone, as Fallen appeared to obviously be consolidating and not defending it - figured it might as well be us.
If you need more explanation ask Sauce 8-) He loves talking to people.
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...apologies to Tears for taking your fief man (got nothing but love).
No worries, we're happy that you are willing to look after it until the end of the war, of which naturally we'll be taking it back :wink:
In the meantime, we'll, uh...
Say, aren't we at war with 5-6 different NA factions? :| I'm feeling underwhelmed, and the whole thing reeks of posturing. Kudos for Occitan actually taking a fief and doing something, as for the rest, still waiting...
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Shit already happened to us, remember? Flying carpets?
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How 'bout you edit some of those exact figures out, eh? :|
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How 'bout you edit some of those exact figures out, eh? :|
^
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bump?
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No need. It's all in the past now. I just wanted some explanations and to see if we could get a Dev to clarify the rule on the transferring of fiefs. Sorry for the drama stirrup and pointing of fingers, was basing this off of current events.
Locking Thread since it's past due!