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Title: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Bertha_TheFat on October 17, 2012, 07:37:06 am
Hi there, NA Community

Most of you guys are pretty cool. Even those those who, whilst the OP is hopelessly backpedalling and furiously trying to poke you with his spear, spam him to death. The OP probably wishes you dead for a few seconds before proceeding to consume the rest of the half-smoked joint lying in his ashtray, but then, hey. That's alright.

The OP knows most NA people are probably not used as much to language diversity as the EU people might be. I know how bad the language teaching system is in the US in general - it's probably very similar to Canada's. Even yours truly had to learn English playing Diablo! Overall, the OP thinks they should consider themselves both lucky and unlucky. English is a wonderful language that will help you get around, but don't let this cloud your vision. There are other wonderful ways to express oneself.

The OP does cringe, though, at the reading of some rather unnecessary comments upon his origins. While the OP is an oversensitive racist frenchman, it shouldn't be anyone's idea of sportsmanship to have to endure victory cries coming from what looks like to be 13 years old not quite old enough to understand the basic differences between the casual troll-call "stfu nerd", the ridiculous "GF FRENCHIE" or the more awkward "stfu u french fuck". The OP realizes it's not that bad a problem, but he also thinks all of you who think you're being witty by calling people with French names (namely, the OP) "Frenchie" should just knock it off. It's not funny. It doesn't make you a "troll". It's not even original. Maybe you could instead cut your internet connexion, throw your computer out the window and go fuck yourself with your half-assed attempts at humour. Remember c-RPG is a small community where you are recognized and labeled by other players. Surely you don't want everyone here to recognize your in-game nick as belonging to the asshole you really are.

/pissed

phew.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Malaclypse on October 17, 2012, 07:38:30 am
GF frenchie.

Oh my god I'm sorry man, I couldn't resist. A+ post.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Bertha_TheFat on October 17, 2012, 07:45:19 am
Hehehe

I know how that feels, Malaclypse :-P

I don't know if I could have resisted myself. lol
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: SHinOCk on October 17, 2012, 07:49:43 am
Speak 'merican
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: ArysOakheart on October 17, 2012, 07:51:15 am
The sad thing is that people can troll all they want, act like a complete asshole, and then retire and name change after so no one knows it was them.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Artyem on October 17, 2012, 07:51:52 am
And who can forget the famous "GF Frog fucker"?
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Kelugarn on October 17, 2012, 07:52:56 am
Speak 'merican

See, Shinock knows what's up.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: LordBerenger on October 17, 2012, 08:20:01 am
What's the difference between calling someone a 'Frenchie' and someone a 'Merican' apart from the land they are from?

It's like calling a Swedish person a Swede. A Danish person a Dane etc etc i guess.


Also i were the one who said ingame that if you speak French in NA_1 you'll get banned :D
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on October 17, 2012, 10:20:08 am
Wait, pepe isn't the only french crpg user?

I'm aghast.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Smoothrich on October 17, 2012, 10:24:35 am
What's the difference between calling someone a 'Frenchie' and someone a 'Merican' apart from the land they are from?

Its more like calling hispanic people you meet in America "fucking mexicans" then anything else, and being offended when they speak spanish.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 17, 2012, 10:26:50 am

20% of Americans speak another language other then English at home, I can't think of any city where you don't run into a conversation in another language in daily life on a common basis.


I would like to point out that the few trolls in NA servers do not represent the majority, any more then someone should assume that Cicero represents Turkey.




What's the difference between calling someone a 'Frenchie' and someone a 'Merican' apart from the land they are from?

It's like calling a Swedish person a Swede. A Danish person a Dane etc etc i guess.
'Merican is short for American and is just an abbreviated way of saying it, Frenchie is derogatory as it is not short for Frenchman. Basically what Smooth said.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Aderyn on October 17, 2012, 10:44:51 am
I type swedish on NA_1 sometimes just to spite the 'merikkans.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: bilwit on October 17, 2012, 10:48:41 am
Frenchie is derogatory as it is not short for Frenchman.

 :|
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 17, 2012, 10:52:50 am
:|
Comparable to someone calling an American a "Yank" or Yankee" as it is often taken like an insult, as while it refers to the nationality it does not do so in a kind fashion.


So yes, "Frenchie" refers to a Frenchman, but not in a sociable manner in most social circles any more then you would call someone from Japan a "Jap."
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Sarpton on October 17, 2012, 10:54:07 am
Well I dont think they want to be called a French'em either, so give us a good easy to remember word to replace frenchy.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 17, 2012, 10:55:11 am
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Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Tears of Destiny on October 17, 2012, 10:55:58 am
Well I dont think they want to be called a French'em either, so give us a good easy to remember word to replace frenchy.


French/Frenchman/Québécois/Quebecer/Canadian/French-Canadian


Take your pick. French is pretty short and easy  :wink:
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Pollux on October 17, 2012, 11:00:33 am
I don't think one would call you that if they didn't love you. America loves my old friends these days. Sometimes I wish someone would call me a bundle of sticks. :(
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Sarpton on October 17, 2012, 11:11:06 am

French/Frenchman/Québécois/Quebecer/Canadian/French-Canadian


Take your pick. French is pretty short and easy  :wink:

Forget it!  You know what we'll call them?  Bonerfarts! 
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Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: LordBerenger on October 17, 2012, 11:15:00 am
I type swedish on NA_1 sometimes just to spite the 'merikkans.

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Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: matt2507 on October 17, 2012, 11:21:51 am
The OP knows most NA people are probably not used as much to language diversity as the EU people might be.

However, some of Eu should read your post ..
French and francophones have unfortunately gained a bad reputation over time.  :?
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 11:30:11 am
Really? What reputation is that, exactly? Compared to what nationality?

Also Hector, you should know by now that making a thread like this is only throwing buckets of blood in shark infested waters. Now the trolls have smelled it and will never let go. You'll be happy if the relatively benign "frenchie" is the worst you get called.
Best thing to do is just ignore the haters and fuck em hard in the game until they cry like the whiny little bitches they are.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Matey on October 17, 2012, 11:30:15 am
Why is anyone being negative towards french peoples when there are hordes of dirty smelly yanks to yell at? FUCK YANKS.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: LordBerenger on October 17, 2012, 11:31:48 am
Why is anyone being negative towards french peoples when there are hordes of dirty smelly yanks to yell at? FUCK YANKS.

Let's not be RACISTS GUYS!
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: bilwit on October 17, 2012, 11:32:35 am
Frenchie is derogatory as it is not short for Frenchman.

Comparable to someone calling an American a "Yank" or Yankee" as it is often taken like an insult, as while it refers to the nationality it does not do so in a kind fashion.


So yes, "Frenchie" refers to a Frenchman, but not in a sociable manner in most social circles any more then you would call someone from Japan a "Jap."

But Jap is short for "Japanese" so by the logic of your original post, it isn't derogatory.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: matt2507 on October 17, 2012, 11:41:55 am
Really? What reputation is that, exactly? Compared to what nationality?

I mention this reputation of whiners who is now international renamed.
I also talk about the reputation of runaway I read these days.

I remember a troll who was as pseudo: RUN_LIKE_A_FRENCH

...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 11:46:49 am
Pretty sure that was a Berenger alt no? A Swedish guy talking shit about the French in WW2? HAHAHAHA. If you had any knowledge of history whatsoever (which none of the retarded cunts that say crap like that about the french have, because they are bonafide retards) you would know how hilarious that is. I'm sorry if you are stupid enough to believe that kind of generalized stereotype is accurate.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: LordBerenger on October 17, 2012, 11:52:32 am
Pretty sure that was a Berenger alt no? A Swedish guy talking shit about the French in WW2? HAHAHAHA. If you had any knowledge of history whatsoever (which none of the retarded cunts that say crap like that about the french have, because they are bonafide retards) you would know how hilarious that is. I'm sorry if you are stupid enough to believe that kind of generalized stereotype is accurate.

Nah, never had an alt like that. I actually know who had just that alt though. Wasn't me. If it was i would've bragged about it.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: matt2507 on October 17, 2012, 11:53:58 am
I know that these stereotype are not the thought of all, that's why I'm writing "some of Eu ".
But thank you for thinking I'm stupid..
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Smoothrich on October 17, 2012, 11:55:25 am
Pretty sure that was a Berenger alt no? A Swedish guy talking shit about the French in WW2? HAHAHAHA. If you had any knowledge of history whatsoever (which none of the retarded cunts that say crap like that about the french have, because they are bonafide retards) you would know how hilarious that is. I'm sorry if you are stupid enough to believe that kind of generalized stereotype is accurate.

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Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Gnjus on October 17, 2012, 11:57:18 am
Comparable to someone calling an American a "Yank" or Yankee" as it is often taken like an insult

I always refer to you yellow-belly descendants of tea-timing britmy old friends as Yanks and I've never noticed someone taking it as an insult.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 11:58:09 am


Smoothrich triple confirmed chocolate chip cookie lover. Go gargle some of that neo-chocolate chip cookie dick you love so well and leave the history talk to the big boys.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Smoothrich on October 17, 2012, 12:05:48 pm
Right, I'm the chocolate chip cookie lover.

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Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 12:06:01 pm
"Yank" isn't necessarily describing all Americans incidentally, just the ones that belonged to the US during the time of the Civil War, as opposed to the traitors. You want a foreign term that's offensive to Americans "gringo" is more appropriate, but that's only from hispanic speaking countries (and Brazil).
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 12:12:54 pm
Free French>Petain chocolate chip cookie slave-boys, but everyone knows that. The guy was a WW1 hero, but he was old and senile. Omg, a country overrun by the chocolate chip cookies collaborating with them? So unique in WW2. At least the french fought (and got pwned, as is well known, losing more troops to bungling leadership than the US lost in the entire war. But then again the Americans waited until everyone was nice and drained before they intervened, like every major war they ever fought), unlike some other pushover fawning bitch countries I could name (i.e most of Europe, those that weren't allies in the first place). Smooth you seem to be well-informed, how many french actually fought for the chocolate chip cookies, compared to those that fought and killed and died against them?
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: LordBerenger on October 17, 2012, 12:28:48 pm
Free French>Petain chocolate chip cookie slave-boys, but everyone knows that. The guy was a WW1 hero, but he was old and senile. Omg, a country overrun by the chocolate chip cookies collaborating with them? So unique in WW2. At least the french fought (and got pwned, as is well known, losing more troops to bungling leadership than the US lost in the entire war. But then again the Americans waited until everyone was nice and drained before they intervened, like every major war they ever fought), unlike some other pushover fawning bitch countries I could name (i.e most of Europe, those that weren't allies in the first place). Smooth you seem to be well-informed, how many french actually fought for the chocolate chip cookies, compared to those that fought and killed and died against them?

Why are you so mad.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 12:33:16 pm
Why are you so mad.

Why are you such a blazing retard?
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: LordBerenger on October 17, 2012, 12:43:43 pm
Why are you such a blazing retard?

Because it upsets you and makes your day hopefully a little little bit more shittier than it already is.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 12:47:25 pm
Because it upsets you and makes your day hopefully a little little bit more shittier than it already is.

Stop trying to hide behind the troll label to excuse your idiocy. Be proud of being an idiot, it's the way god made you (or evolution, pick one).
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Osiris on October 17, 2012, 12:54:23 pm
silly cheese eating surrender monkies :D (couldnt resist im english its what we do ^^)
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Smoothrich on October 17, 2012, 12:56:28 pm
The French didn't really fight at the start.  They (and England) watched Poland get invaded, then turned their backs on them and did nothing.  This original Western betrayal followed by appeasement of Stalin by all allied powers is what really fucked over Eastern Europe, so thanks for all my family that got raped then murdered!

Then they sat around and continued to do nothing until they were invaded, and lost the war within 5 days of it starting and were immediately ready to capitulate.  Even Poland lasted much, much longer against Germany and the USSR attacking both sides, with no help from anyone at all.  A legendary military failure, and one of the main reasons French military accomplishments are ignored in lieu of calling them cowards.

The Free French Forces were successful, but keep in mind that America had everything to do with Lend-Lease, logistics, and operations to liberate French colonies starting in 1942 that weakened Vichy France and gave de Gaule the momentum to build up his army and participate in the invasion of Normandy.  Another American operation I must add.

As far as military casualties are concerned, I would say about 150,000 French died fighting Germany, and 50,000 (probably less) died fighting the Allies, mostly defending Vichy France colonies.  By the way, France had 200,000 military deaths in WW2, America had 400,000.

And 100,000 French Jews were forced out of their homes and sent to die in all the wonderful ways of the Holocaust, with full enthusiastic collaboration of the French government.  One of the reasons I find France in WW2 so distasteful, they gleefully helped to carried out the Holocaust, killing 1/4 of all Jews in France.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 01:03:33 pm
Battle of France lasted a month and half, so fail on the 5 days thing. Poland lasted about a month. Not sure where you're getting your info from. Also not sure why you find the Holocaust collaboration in France any more distasteful than in any other occupied collaborating country, including Poland. Poland's defence was admirable and they knew they would not be treated with the same sort of "benign" chocolate chip cookie rule given to racially acceptable countries like Danemark, Norway or Sweden (even France was considered higher up on the ridiculous racial hierarchy they adhered to). The whole Lebensraum philosophy was angled towards the east, not the west.
"Gleefully" is probably not accurate, especially considering France to this day has one of the largest jewish populations in Europe.

P.S battle of France 360k casualties on the french side. Again, not sure where you're getting your info from.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Osiris on October 17, 2012, 01:06:36 pm
silly oberyn you know by now that a lot of americans think they won all wars alone and saved the world :D the ones that dont are probably trolling you  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 17, 2012, 01:31:50 pm
Sånn går det, GG.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: rustyspoon on October 17, 2012, 01:46:40 pm
Nationalism is funny. People get all crazy about the country where their mom happened to get fucked and spit them out.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 17, 2012, 01:52:53 pm
Nationalism is funny. People get all crazy about the country where their mom happened to get fucked and spit them out.

Are you drunk?
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 17, 2012, 02:06:20 pm
Nationalism is funny. People get all crazy about the country where their mom happened to get fucked and spit them out.
Are you drunk?

Changed three countries since i was born, so yeah, i dont give a flying fuck about nationalism. If i don't like to live where i'm living now - i will just move on.

And +1 to Rusty
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 02:17:48 pm
I've lived in many more countries than that, and something that was common to all of them was a sense of pride in their nationality. If not that ethnicity, or religion, or something. People who think not having any sense of nationality is something enlightened and admirable are deluded and naive. Tribalism is inherently human, the peoples that DO have pride in some form of it, no matter how fake or artificial it is, shape the world and it's future. Those that don't fade into obscurity or get absorbed. Different strains of it will never dissapear, just compete with each other as they have done since the dawn of civilization.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 17, 2012, 02:55:49 pm
I've lived in many more countries than that, and something that was common to all of them was a sense of pride in their nationality. If not that ethnicity, or religion, or something. People who think not having any sense of nationality is something enlightened and admirable are deluded and naive. Tribalism is inherently human, the peoples that DO have pride in some form of it, no matter how fake or artificial it is, shape the world and it's future. Those that don't fade into obscurity or get absorbed. Different strains of it will never dissapear, just compete with each other as they have done since the dawn of civilization.

It should and will disappear. EU is a good working example for once ( EU got a Nobels Peace prize this year ). Countries/tribes that were fighting over Europe for thousands of years, finally come to see each other as partners, and war between Germany, UK and France is highly unlikely these days.
Germany used to be divided in multiple tiny countries until Bismark, just as most major countries in Europe used to be before. Just look at this mess:
 
14th century:
 
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Edit:

The term nationality itself is only about 300 years old btw...

All-in-all nothing good comes from nationalism imo, ever. To be strongly proud of once geographic origin, is for someone who has nothing else to be proud of as a person.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Dezilagel on October 17, 2012, 02:57:41 pm
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Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Smoothrich on October 17, 2012, 03:01:51 pm
It should and will disappear. EU is a good working example for once ( EU got a Nobels Peace prize this year ). Countries/tribes that were fighting over Europe for thousands of years, finally come to see each other as partners, and war between Germany, UK and France is highly unlikely these days.
Germany used to be divided in multiple tiny countries until Bismark, just as most major countries in Europe used to be before. Just look at this mess:
 
14th century:
 
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Edit:

The term nationality itself is only about 300 years old btw...

All-in-all nothing good comes from nationalism imo, ever. To be strongly proud of once geographic origin, is for someone who has nothing else to be proud of as a person.

yes civilized white people as always, look at the barbaric africans and middle easterners fighting over such silly things like "cultural identity" and "preventing genocide" after centuries of imperialism
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Osiris on October 17, 2012, 03:04:59 pm
and war between Germany, UK and France is highly unlikely these days.   War is unlikely between major nations because of the destructive power of modern weapons. War between major nations and weak nations does happen and pretty commonly. Mainland europe may be at peace but im sure if you ask a german what he is he wont refer to himself as european but german.

Try asking around the UK what the feelings towards the EU are :P would you find many of us willing to be "led" or ruled by someone who isnt from the UK? I think you will find your answer is no from 99.9%
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Mechanix on October 17, 2012, 03:11:55 pm
+1 THIS MAN IMMEDIATELY
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Teeth on October 17, 2012, 03:15:20 pm
The North Sea was called the German Ocean?

Is it just me or does the word Frenchie not sound that bad? Is a lot catchier than Frenchman atleast. How about people just grow a bit thicker skin, you're on the internet after all. We all know making fun of someone's country is funny. I personally wouldn't give a fuck. Try me, I'm from The Netherlands.

and war between Germany, UK and France is highly unlikely these days.   War is unlikely between major nations because of the destructive power of modern weapons. War between major nations and weak nations does happen and pretty commonly. Mainland europe may be at peace but im sure if you ask a german what he is he wont refer to himself as european but german.

Try asking around the UK what the feelings towards the EU are :P would you find many of us willing to be "led" or ruled by someone who isnt from the UK? I think you will find your answer is no from 99.9%
And a German from Saxony used to refer to himself as Saxon and not as German, those things can change. Nationalism is weakening, it is a slow process but a German refering to himself as a European is hardly unthinkable.

War is unlikely between major nations because of the destructive power of modern weapons.
Not really, war between these nations is unlikely because they are democracies with free markets. These countries are globally connected with eachother to the extent that having a war with any of them would give us a financial crisis that will make us forget about the current one in a second. The benefits will never even get close to outweighing the costs so war is basically impossible.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Tibe on October 17, 2012, 03:26:47 pm
Well Berenger and Oberyn at it again. Cant tell who is more foolish, the one who is trolling the raging frenchman(again), or the frenchman who totally fell for the trolls and keeps writing long logical posts, althou he realised it long ago it was pointless. Seriuslly Oberyn, Berenger is acctually quite smart, but he has to keep up with his stereotypical american act, otherwise people wont find him interesting anymore. :rolleyes:

Im with Teeth on this one, grow balls and live happy. Frenchy is not a bad word. I use it aswell, since its just catchy and I just mean "french dude" by it, nothing offensive. I make fun of everybodies country and they make fun of mine, but we act all cool about it, since its just all in good fun(or in very rare occasions ignorance).
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: LordBerenger on October 17, 2012, 03:27:44 pm
Well Berenger and Oberyn at it again. Cant tell who is more foolish, the one who is trolling the raging frenchman(again), or the frenchman who totally fell for the trolls and keeps writing long logical posts, althou he realised it long ago it was pointless. Seriuslly Oberyn, Berenger is acctually quite smart, but he has to keep up with his stereotypical american act, otherwise people wont find him interesting anymore. :rolleyes:

Im with Teeth on this one, grow balls and live happy. Frenchy is not a bad word. I use it aswell, since its just catchy and I just mean "french dude" by it, nothing offensive. I make fun of everybodies country and they make fun of mine, but we act all cool about it, since its just all in good fun(or in very rare occasions ignorance).

More like Oberyn - Smoothrich.

I'm just laughing at Oberyn acting like a retard. Actually pretty funny.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Arathian on October 17, 2012, 03:29:30 pm
The term nationality itself is only about 300 years old btw...

That is absolutely false. Nationalism itself exists a long time now. Ancient Greek states had extreme nationalism, even between different states. Also, for the longest time, there was also the even more advanced idea of panationalism for a united Greece. Then, Rome came. Do I really have to explain why Rome, that was the first nation persistent on assimilating "Barbarians" effectively into their "superior" culture, was nationalist? I sure hope not. Even in the middle ages we had nationalism. A few examples would be Byzantine nationalism (the restoration of the Byzantine empire after its fall to the Franks was a major thing for almost 60 years), Venetian nationalism (if you read about Venice, you can strongly see their belief that they were seperate and superior, both as a state AND as a people, from the rest of Italy). Or how about Lombardian nationalism that eventually led to Northern Italy being seperated from the Holy Roman Empire (and yes, I know it was a direct consequence of a failed Imperial intervention, however they already were semi-autonomous, purely due to their nationality). Or, how about we move out of Europe? China had strong nationalism elements with many different cultures always seeking as an end goal, even on harsh times, to re-unite into what is called "China" or how about the prevalent belief that China was the state of the god and perfect?

And I won't even get into what is called religious nationalism, which was prevalent within the middle ages (the crusades are a prime example).

Saying nationalism is 300 years old is outright ignorant.

All-in-all nothing good comes from nationalism imo, ever. To be strongly proud of once geographic origin, is for someone who has nothing else to be proud of as a person.

"Geographic origin"? How about culture? How about heritage? How about values? You would never go to Saudi Arabia, even though the educated people there get crazy amounts of money. Why? Because their culture is extremely different from yours. Their values probably seem disgusting to you. Yet it seems normal for them. Nationalism shields you from them and that is a force of good.

However, how about we discuss other direct benefits of nationalism? Nationalism led to the dissolution of the feudal state (of course, nationalism was pushed by the enlightment) and the entry to the modern era, especially after the fal of the HRE. Nationalism has drove the drive of scientific innovation and exploration. The Portuguese explorers are an example of that (and no, don't give me the BS that discovering America and Asia was harmful to the world).

I could go on and on for days on the subject, but yeah. Your views are very very simplistic.


edit: there was even a form of feudal nationalism in the 16th century. For example, Friedrich der Große of Prussia had a king-worship movement around him that could very well be considered nationalist in nature (unity of the lands of Prussia)
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Laufknoten on October 17, 2012, 03:32:53 pm
 :rolleyes:
Threads like that always end up with Smoothrich complaining about racism, some libmy old friends telling us how bad and unnecessary nationalism is and the rest discussing some unrelated history shit...
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Tibe on October 17, 2012, 03:33:31 pm
More like Oberyn - Smoothrich.

I'm just laughing at Oberyn acting like a retard. Actually pretty funny.

It really is. Im loling especially hard since he tries to give you historylessons here. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Arathian on October 17, 2012, 03:41:26 pm
By the way, the map you provided above (I will guess that map is a late 13th century map) does NOT contain countries. It contains feudal entities. Feudal entities are NOT countries. In fact, France was, until the 15th century, probably seperated in about 100 feudal entities, but all answered to the king. Same with the HRE (the many small German minors you see there). They all answered to the emperor.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Protemus on October 17, 2012, 03:54:59 pm
More like Oberyn - Smoothrich.

I'm just laughing at Oberyn acting like a retard. Actually pretty funny.

I've read your comment,and looked at your avatar

no further tips on what happend next...

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Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 17, 2012, 03:56:57 pm


The term nationality itself is only about 300 years old btw... 

That is absolutely false.
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Saying nationalism is 300 years old is outright ignorant.

 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationality (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationality)
Nationality - 1691
 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism
Nationalism - 1844
 
If you choose to define some random unrelated historical facts as "nationalism", there is no way me, or anyone else can stop you.
 

I could go on and on for days on the subject, but yeah. Your views are very very simplistic.

 
Please don't! Enough of this horror... If I had to argument on every sentence you wrote, it would give me a brain cancer.
 
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I keep mostly to funny pictures and spam section on this forum, as having a meaningful conversation here is impossible :) Only bothered to write in this thread, because i am at work and have nothing else to do at the moment.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Vibe on October 17, 2012, 03:58:15 pm
I do not like this Armpit ^ , instead of posting funny pics as always this thread made him post ONLY TEXT.

This thread really brings out the worst in people.
 :cry:
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 04:01:31 pm
Nationalism is just the latest in a long line of tribal forms of identification, is the point. Again, people who think it will "dissapear" are naive. Especially because the only places where that is even slightly accurate is in developped western countries. Go tell that to a Chinese or Korean or Japanese or Egyptian or Algerian or literally any other country in the world or to the ethnic minorities that comprise those countries that their forms of tribal self-identification are dissapearing and don't mean anything and they will laugh in your face. It may form into different forms of identification over time, but it's pretty much an integral part of humans interacting with each other.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Overdriven on October 17, 2012, 04:04:22 pm
It should and will disappear. EU is a good working example for once ( EU got a Nobels Peace prize this year ). Countries/tribes that were fighting over Europe for thousands of years, finally come to see each other as partners, and war between Germany, UK and France is highly unlikely these days.
Germany used to be divided in multiple tiny countries until Bismark, just as most major countries in Europe used to be before. Just look at this mess:

The term nationality itself is only about 300 years old btw...

All-in-all nothing good comes from nationalism imo, ever. To be strongly proud of once geographic origin, is for someone who has nothing else to be proud of as a person.

EU got the nobel peace prize at the most retarded time. Why now? 30 years ago would have made more sense and it's been criticised very heavily for receiving it at a time when generally everyone is fucked off at the EU for the interfering in various countries things. They do some good things, but at the moment not enough to warrant that. And EU will never ever become a solid way of managing things. The only reason people haven't gone to war over getting hacked off at each other is the threat of nuclear war and the destructive power of modern weapons more than anything, which is why most modern wars are waged on people who don't have that kind of power. Fighting between European nations in the modern age would be beyond anything the world has ever seen and no one in their right minds wants that.

Nation states as we know them haven't existed for particularly long that's true. But nationalism is simply an extension of tribalism. It's just extended from villages fighting another, to city states/towns/regions fighting one another, to countries fighting another. It's all the same principle.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Oberyn on October 17, 2012, 04:09:08 pm
Incidentally I find it ironic you're using the EU as a symbol of nationalities fading and geography/culture not meaning anything when it is in fact a geographic/cultural political and trade union.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Arathian on October 17, 2012, 04:11:07 pm
If you choose to define some random unrelated historical facts as "nationalism", there is no way me, or anyone else can stop you.

na·tion·al·ism noun \ˈnash-nə-ˌli-zəm, ˈna-shə-nə-ˌli-zəm\

Definition of NATIONALISM

: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups



Tell me in what way, shape or form does the Venetians, the Romans or the Chinese believing their nation is above all others and promoting their culture and interests is NOT nationalism.

I dare you.


edit: also saying the word didn't exist thus the concept itself didn't exist is as wrong as saying that the law of gravity wasn't written down until the 16th century so we didn't have gravity until the 16th century.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Overdriven on October 17, 2012, 04:17:53 pm
All-in-all nothing good comes from nationalism imo, ever. To be strongly proud of once geographic origin, is for someone who has nothing else to be proud of as a person.

O and this is a very daft statement. We all contribute to our countries (if we live and work in them). Whether it's through taxes, voting for the next government, or taking a stronger role in it yourself. In democracy we all contribute (simplifying for sake of argument). I pride myself on being part of a country that has achieved great things past and present, and I pride myself on my contribution as a citizen of that nation. Without the people who lived there, most great things wouldn't be achieved and so it's right to be proud of the nation you live when we all contribute.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Aderyn on October 17, 2012, 04:24:24 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/historical-discussion/

just saying
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Osiris on October 17, 2012, 04:29:56 pm
nothing good comes from nationalism. i mean going to the moon is a pretty crappy thing to do.
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Bertha_TheFat on October 17, 2012, 04:59:35 pm
So many posts here I wanted to +1. Too bad I have no idea how to do this! hahah

But, seeing as how this is going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic, can we just lock this thread and agree that ridiculously heinous comments based on someone's nationality (or what you believe it is), language or colour should have no place in-game whatsoever? Regardless of how ridiculous liberals  think nationalism might be, some people do get offended by certain comments (me first, but I have to admit I'm especially sensitive to language issues, seeing as languages make up a huge chunk of my professional life).

Personally, I don't see the difference between calling someone a friend or a jap (which might be a short for Japanese, but is still derogatory in it's usage. It isn't a binary distinction).

Plz close the topic kthx
Title: Re: On being a Frenchie in NA
Post by: Casimir on October 17, 2012, 05:19:36 pm
Ahh the wonders of internet discussion.